Why is nationalism considered racist? I just don't want our over-regulated country to have to compete with slave labor. Tariffs would help black people here too....I don't get it
>>80810439
Because leftists have no argument.
>>80810439
Nationalism goes against the globalists' plan so they have to vilify it with a bunch of bullshit
Because Ethnic Nationalism works better than Civic Nationalism at getting the people going. Most nationalism devolves into ethnic nationalism anyway.
>>80810439
Hitler ruined it for everyone
idk but here is really good not racist or right-wing justification for nationalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Gellner#Nationalism
>In 1983, Gellner published Nations and Nationalism. For Gellner, "nationalism is primarily a political principle that holds that the political and the national unit should be congruent".[9] Gellner argues that nationalism appeared and became a sociological necessity only in the modern world. In previous times ("the agro-literate" stage of history), rulers had little incentive to impose cultural homogeneity on the ruled. But in modern society, work becomes technical; one must operate a machine, and as such, one must learn. There is a need for impersonal, context-free communication and a high degree of cultural standardisation.
>Furthermore, industrial society is underlined by the fact that there is perpetual growth: employment types vary and new skills must be learned. Thus, generic employment training precedes specialised job training. On a territorial level, there is competition for the overlapping catchment areas (such as Alsace-Lorraine). To maintain its grip on resources and its survival and progress, the state and culture must for these reasons be congruent. Nationalism, therefore, is a necessity.
absolutely dank
Any nationalism is better than globalism, and why would most nationalism lead to racial division? US was considered a "melting pot" back when the country wasn't in the global economy
>>80810439
Nationalism demands that the strongest nation defeats and usurps all the others. All the peaceful nationalists suffer from feudalism and stagnation.
>>80810832
this >>80811025 was meant to be to you
>>80811025
Are you suggesting that America before the 60's was a place with no racial division? You people are seriously deluded.
>>80811025
The US has always been envisioned as a global trade power, it's why it was so important for your founding fathers to have a state from coast to coast. So you wouldn't have to take shit from anyone economically. The US is globalism.
>>80811225
No, but I am suggesting that people of all ethnicities were better off back then than now. If you want to argue that integration and the modern black person is better be my guest, but I don't see it that way.
I also don't think that had shit to do with nationalism. The world was overwhelmingly racist for 99.999% of human history
>>80811025
Also
>melting pot
Typical Anglo idealistic bullshit.
>>80810439
Because nation inherently involves race so leftists are able to say "aha! you want a whites only nation!" because they don't realize that ethnicity is tied very strongly to culture
You can't take a Han Chinese man and put him in the Congo and all of a sudden he's Congolese it just doesn't work like that
>>80810439
You cannot be pro immigration and pro working man
The two are inherently linked as immigration introduces competition for working natives that wouldn't otherwise be there
The left abandoned the working class beginning in the 1950s and fully seperated from them by the 1970s
>>80811383
>The US has always been envisioned as a global trade power
Not even close to as it's been since WWII
>>80811472
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/13/whos-poor-in-america-50-years-into-the-war-on-poverty-a-data-portrait/
>In 1966, two years after Johnson’s speech, four-in-ten (41.8%) of African-Americans were poor; .... by 2012, poverty among African-Americans had fallen to 27.2%
But uh, when was the .001% of Humanity that wasn't racist?
>>80811663
The US is proof that a melting pot can work among white people
When Irish and Italians and Poles and Greeks and Lithuanians and Russians and Jews all poured into this country at the beginning of the 20th century they all lived in ethnic ghettos but now they've just been absorbed into the greater white culture that is dominated by Anglos such as myself
Daily reminder that there is nothing wrong with racism
http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html
>>80812066
>>80811472
Also this
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html
A black man living in 1969 was expected to live 5 less years than a white person.
>>80812134
Those times are gone. New wave of immigrants don't want to assimilate, but leach because of the existing welfare
>>80811383
Manifest Destiny didn't come about until after the Founding Fathers had perished, it's only around the time of the Spanish American War and the Boxer Rebellion that we started to envision trade domination
The Founding Fathers envisioned the United States as a land where the government was small and localized and where you could do essentially whatever the fuck you want
The Founding Fathers abhorred the idea of empire because they were oppressed by one, they desired a society free any sort of global entanglements and foreign wars
Now please don't ever speak about US history again as it's clear you're painfully ignorant on the subject
>>80812372
Notice how every group I mentioned in my post was European
Of course it doesn't work with Third Worlders although we have done a fairly good job of assimilating high performing Asians and Indians
>>80812066
the poverty rate has went down for everyone retard thanks to crippling debt and social programs
>>80811959
As the world becomes more and more closely tied together any reasonable public official cannot be anti immigration, it's just not feasible.
Also, a nation cannot assume a position of power in a global economy by shutting itself out from it. It's funny that you all portray leftists as sticking their hands in their ears and whining to block out reality and then espouse downright foolish positions on trade.
The world will move forward, with or without you.
>>80812307
once again, you're retarded
>>80812546
So life is better right now than back then when the US had high poverty rates and the poor were left to die.
o man o jeez o man, great arguement friend.
Nationalism is only racist in white dominant countries, and nobody cares what niggers think anymore, honestly I think the good ones should be integrated and watched closely, the rest in the inner city can be napalmed for all I care.
>>80812546
>>80812614
No, but I am suggesting that people of all ethnicities were better off back then than now.
>Lower poverty rate
>Higher life expectancy
>Better off back when everyone was poor and died 20 years earlier
I give you a gold star in arguements
>>80812736
If you're okay with a $20 trillion debt that will hold consequences sure, life is great living on the edge year to year. Not to mention there's no clear evidence poverty data is even accurate, and the dollar carried a lot more value back then.
>being left to die
good luck paying the insurance premium or hospital bill. You can thank all the dumb niggers that weren't left to die from their own stupidity. Liberals never gave a fuck about economics
>>80812576
Immigration is mutually exclusive from trade
Just because you trade with someone doesn't mean you have to accept people into your country
Many public officials and people in power are anti immigration because they see the problems it causes
>more and more closely tied together
This is already the case and has been happening since 1492
Multi ethnic nations either end up in all out war like in Yugoslavia, the dominant people group exterminating all others as in China, or widespread crime and poverty and corruption as in Brazil
As the US continues to let more and more immigrants in it's only a matter of time before things start to go down hill
You cannot force people of drastically different cultures to live in peace together unless you rule with an iron fist
Nationalism is not considered racist.
Most nationalists are just racist. Just look at /pol/ and stormfront. They whine about being labeled racist bigots but they go out ranting how much they hate niggers and jews and think genocide can be necessary.
>>80813900
All of the nations with the highest standards of living are racially homogenous except for the United States which is still majority white albeit for not much longer
>>80814030
I don't think race has anything to do with it to be honest. I think it has more to do with class and education. I like how we typically only take in immigrants who are highly educated.
Though clearly that is not happening all the time as illegal immigration tends to only bring in the poorest and least educated Mexicans.
classism > racism
I'd rather have highly educated successful Hispanic, Black, Asian neighbors than some white trash hick from Kentucky or Alabama.
>>80814298
Race and more specifically ethnicity have a lot to do with it because that means shared values and traditions and mores, and less conflicting interests
>>80810439
Because to accept nationalism as the way forward wipes out 60 years of cultural Marxist achievements.
The people working for the glory of the state, and the state dedicating itself to the glory and well-being of the people instead of Zionist wealth accumulation is horrifying to these (((people))).
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>>80816019
go on...
>>80810439
>Tariffs would help
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