Has anyone here ever went from the right-wing to the left-wing? Or do you know anyone who has?
It feels like asking if people ever went from being atheists (skeptical, rational...) to believers (wishful-thinking, self-delusion...).
I can understand PRETENDING to be Christian to get that virgin pussy (if you're redpilled) and to have a healthy sense of family and community.
The same way I can understand feigning sympathy with leftist causes to fuck tramp stamped blue-haired single mom activists.
But since I know no one ever goes from being atheist to theist WITHOUT FAKING IT LIKE MOST RED PILLED MEN DO, I wonder if there are people here who genuinely converted to leftism after being on the right-wing side of things.
>>80781888
That would imply that one has to age backwards.
I was born to a conservative family and when I was a teenager I went pretty left wing. It wasn't anything against them, just high school can encourage that kind of thing. Since I never stopped being Christian I could never go full leftist and no with the shift to identity politics I am proudly back on the right
>>80782715
FPBP
Hillary Clinton?
>>80782791
Don't FPBP your own post you fucking loser.
>>80781888
No but I went from being fairly left wing to swinging hard to the right.
>>80783061
It's a different ID, nincompoop.
Never met anyone who's gone from being right wing to left wing. I've met more than a few people who have gone from being a liberal to being a hardcore right-winger.
>>80781888
I've gone from left to right, I can't imagine very many people go back.
>>80781888
I went from near-atheism / agnostic to full devout Catholic, mostly for religious reasons, not just the "benefits."
So your little theory - Its wrong, friend.
Pretending to be Christian is absolutely deceitful. If you're going to live by the faith, at least try to have some faith. It's not too hard, friend, and your struggle to have it now will only make God appreciate it more when you try and keep trying.
God Bless, Anon.
>>80781888
I was an atheist who found God.
I'm not going to call you a retard for not being able to see His light but you are a jackass.
You're hardly a model for intelligence though since you can't entertain an abstract.
>>80781888
what about "there is no going back" don't you understand?
>>80781888
There are a few commentators out there like Charles Johnson and Andrew Sullivan, but it seems a lot more common to see people go from left to right. I suppose i went left to right, but that's because i was a kid way back when and then just grew up. Other people like David Horowitz and Thomas Sowell swallowed a hard red pill from their experiences dealing with the left.
>>80781888
Those aren't KKK members. That's a Basque Easter vigil.
>>80781888
desu /pol/ has made slant left even more
>>80783061
Leaving the EU does not release you from having to look at the IDs before shitposting.
>>80781888
I went from left to right but I can't see who would go the other way just watching the c span conventions you can tell you need to be fucking retarded to support liberals.
>>80781888
kek
That's not the Klan dude
Holy Week in Seville is known as Semana Santa de Sevilla. It is one of the city’s two biggest annual festivals, the other being the Feria de Abril (April Fair), which follows two weeks later. It is celebrated in the week leading up to Easter (Holy Week among Christians), and features the procession of pasos, floats of lifelike wooden sculptures of individual scenes of the events of the Passion, or images of the grieving Virgin Mary.
> born in a conservative baptist family
> was super shelterd and went "preachers daughter" mode for awhile
> was a right leaning left for much of my teenage years
> around 2011ish when the dindus and the left started to lose its shit I start migrating back right.
> now I'm now of a red pill moderate right
>>80781888
David Brock is probably the most in/famous.
>>80781888
I went from right to not care wing
>>80781888
Left to right.
Also, more interesting cases regarding converts to religion (from atheist/agnostic to theism) like Antony Flew, Joris-Karl Huysmans, Marshall McLuhan, G.K Chesterton et al.
I went from right-wing to the center, maybe a little left-wing
I'm not atheist nor gay
>>80781888
Hi, south alabama here. Raised christian and right wing, never trusted niggers or spics but always tried to show them christian kindness.
I went to a specialty high school in Birmingham and turned super liberal, mostly because not being liberal was social suicide. After a couple years of "campus activism" in college and chasing disgusting lefty girls it started to feel wrong.
Tbh it was the Muslims that brought me back, my cousins friend in Michigan got molested at a bar by some snackbar looking nigger with a think accent, my cousin knocked his ass out and we all spit on him and called his friends sand niggers. I waved my CC at them (glock 43, 9mm meme I know fuk off ) and they ran off like the pussies they really are
Feels good to be back desu senpai
>>80781888
Lots of people go from atheism to belief, especially after they stop being angry at dad
>>80782715
this. as people get older, they become right wing. its called wisdom.
>>80781888
Checked
I went from right wing to left wing. Mostly because I started raving, and became the typical hippie faggot
Now that I'm older, and don't do a shit ton of psychedelics all the time I'm back to the right wing. (I still drop acid every once in awhile)
I used to be a Marxist but then I transitioned to the right through libertarianism and eventually Fascism
i became a leftist as i got more involved in Catholicism.
>>80783362
>desu /pol/ has made slant left even more
How?
>>80781888
libertarianism to communism.
you realize capitalism isn't meritocratic when you get a real job and realize managers are a bunch of idiots.
You go a little further and realize that the bourgeoisie are totally unnecessary, so they are parasites.
>>80781888
I did, and then I returned again.
>>80783614
>>80783352
I know it's not the Klan. It's just a lulzy filename.
>>80781888
Started right-wing in the beginning of /pol/ (when they were libertarian, I was a righty).
Now I'm just a pure believer in lawlessness. I literally just want everybody I don't like dead. I don't care if they want me dead. Its war. life is nothing but war. I want people to have the opportunity to kill who you want (if you can even). If we are going to act and compete like animals passive-aggressively, let's just get to the point and kill each other. This is actually much better than suffering Left-wing hell and crippling anxiety for the rest of your life. Right now its hard to watch the unfairness in the world. Its starting to eat at me.
Oh well, even though this is my world view, I wouldn't actually do anything. I've never hurt anybody in my life.
Voting for trump, which might seem contradictory (law and order candidate). But maybe he can make this country better, and change my views.
>>80781888
I went from right wing to left wing, many people I know had the same experience.
>>80783647
Are you a virgin at least? Or are you the typical "preacher's daughters" who went through that rebellious phase and then got her heart broken and then realized she needs a "real man" who will treat her right, even though she's used?
>>80781888
I've gone from being Right-Wing to "Left-Wing."
Nowadays, I just call myself a "Classical American Progressive." Granted, Classical Progressives have about as much in common with progressives today, as Classical liberals have in common with modern liberals.
Not to mention, Leftists in America used to sing Mussolini's praises..
>>80781888
Yeah I was raised Catholic. Went to catholic elementary, middle, and even high school. I was even an altar boy.
I became an atheist around 10th grade, though. Age 25 now and haven't looked back. I think religion is something you should have faith in. But whenever I go to church for funerals and stuff I don't feel any sense of faith.
As far as politics goes, I've been left since high school as well despite one of my main influences being my late grandpa who was strongly republican (and who I still think the world of). I just make fun of my friends when they talk positively talk about Trump or downplay Hillary's pretty obviously high chance of winning. I never got the whole "don't talk religion or politics with friends" bullshit. That's a rule for work and first dates, maybe, but not friends.
>>80785389
I was a centrist before coming to /pol/, but /pol/ being supremely retard made me drop some right wing opinions. Identity politics overall is bullshit though
>>80781888
It's very common among young women raised in conservative households. First time back from college they're blue-haired socjus trans-rights activists who believe Trump is Hitler incarnate.
>>80785916
That's because you weren't ready for the facts that contradict your opinion. You don't go diving straight in at the deep end, you splash around on your subreddits first and get dripped information before it's deleted.
>>80784225
Dr. Vitz says "How about you have a thought of your own?".
Amazing how Catholics are now using Freudianism to convince atheists they are with the ones with the psychological problems.
AMAZING HOW DEEP THE CATHOLIC CORRUPTION GOES!
What you protest 50 years ago it's always dogmatic tradition in the present. Like "Why do all Catholics love the Beatles?"
Those cunts hated the church.
>>80781888
I went from being born Christian to full-blown atheist to becoming Christian again by my own choosing
>>80785916
Yeah in some ways /pol/'s stupidity has driven me left.
>>80785916
The guy who replied to you is a complete moron. Pay him no attention. Too many assumptions.
You might like Camille Paglia.
>>80786188
>there are literally people on /pol/ who converted to christianity because of a complex instilled by fedora memes
>>80781888
I was brainwashed in college to be a leftist after voting for McCain in 2008 (that's a whole nother fuck up). Got redpilled in 2013 and swung over to libertarianism. Collectivism is a communicable mental illness.
>>80785916
If you are a retard who can't detect hyperbole maybe, but the science of race isn't void because a few shitposter say "Gas the kikes".
>>80786188
>I fell for the "/christian/ generals" on /pol/
Just curious, what changed your mind?
>again
>>80786188
It's the most beautiful thing I did
>>80781888
I was raised in a strict Republican household and even cheered during the Gulf wars, but that turned into embarrassment when we found out they lied to get us into that war. I guess I'm paleo, I still believe in our rights and freedoms.
That's why I don;t understand taking away a woman's right to decide if she's gonna be a mother or not. I think we should be free to marry whoever we choose - my bedroom is not the gubmint's business. We should be free to smoke a joint.
I'm still right of Reagan, but my friends started calling me "Lenin" Now I see how extremist and radical my friends have become. I can't abide their stupid crazy batshit.
>>80786471
You understand that /pol/ is one of the most anti-science cesspools on the internet right?
>>80781888
i did, ama
You can't undo what you know, and tellingly it is very hard to break down the logic of right wingers with the left appeal to emotion. I've always assumed a large amount of right to left converts did it because they knew it was time to get with the programme and they weren't going to beat the system. Going underground in a black op for their own benefit.
>>80786413
>>80786477
>Just curious, what changed your mind?
Becoming fully agnostic first
It's hard to unlearn facts.
>>80786655
Science never leads to truth
>>80786689
Despite identity politics and shallow progessivisim, the United States is the most right wing developed nation on Earth. Everything facilitates class hierarchy and separation while the game is rigged for the super rich.
>>80786918
Yeah, you're an anti-intellectual, anti-science 4channer. Not understanding the value of science is pretty much as objectively wrong as you can get.
I used to be a randroid, then I was a race realist, now I'm a center-left liberal. I blame you people honestly. I'd probably have been less amenable to SJW talking points were the anti-SJWs less annoying here.
>>80784237
Confirmed
>>80786655
They aren't wrong about race.
>>80786131
I browsed /lit/ before coming here. The amount of spooks and pure ideology here is mein gott! tier
>>80786471
Nah senpai i just ignore the racism part of /pol/ coz it doesn't really affect me. I also don't know much black people though i am inclined to nature/nurture part
>>80786294
I read some articles from her before.
>>80781888
>confusing left wing for social liberalism
>confusing right wing for intellectual liberalism
The virtues you discuss have nothing to do with the economic spectrum.
>>80785410
>libertarianism to communism.
Libertarian communist or authoritarian communist?
Because here in Europe most libertarians are socialist at heart, they just want the role of state to be reduced. This idea of libertarian as "rugged individualist" is a very american notion.
The european libertarian says "We don't need them" while the american says "I don't need you".
>>80785426
Can you elaborate on that?
>>80786921
Japan, Switzerland, Russia, and South Korea would like a word with you.
>>80781888
If shills keep posting BBC and non-white gods I'm sure it's going to turn for me.
>>80785778
>Leftists in America used to sing Mussolini's praises..
proof?
>>80783263
Why can't I have faith in God and trust in science?
Lack of proof is not proof of non existence.
>>80787012
>Not understanding the value of science is pretty much as objectively wrong as you can get.
If this is true prove it
>>80787045
Yes you are, you take it to an irrational level. Race isn't meaningless, but jesus christ it's not as important as this board pretends it is.
>>80787157
The United States is widely accepted as the most right wing developed nation on Earth. Those nations have universal healthcare, education and have far less inequality than us.
>>80781888
>Implying believing there is no god is rational
atheists are the dumbest there are, agnostic is a rational spot. Do you really not realize you can't prove something doesn't exist?
>>80787211
Science was created as a system of procedures that leads to the most objective possible analysis of any given phenomena. You pick something and analyze how it changes or behaves when other variables are isolated.
>>80787510
>science was designed to obtain objective analyses
Does it actually find objective truth?
>>80787177
>Why can't I have faith in God and trust in science?
You can
>>80787722
Yes, it often does as that is its purpose.
>>80787798
How do you know it was designed just the right way to find objective truth?
>>80787722
That opens a philosophical can of worms and you know it.
>>80787942
It's either that or simply accepting science works
Well I went from Libertarian to NatSoc, so I kinda went to the left economically, but to the right socially.
After educating myself on the JQ however, I don't think I could ever go back to being a liberal like I was in my teens.
>>80787901
Because a fucking child knows that the best way to discover the interaction of different phenomena is to isolate all variables, manipulate one and observe its effect on another.
>>80785612
>Voting for trump, which might seem contradictory (law and order candidate)
Nothing contradictory about it. We all know Trump will burn the world and be the last president.
It's all right-wing death squads and meme magic from here on out.
>>80788096
How is that child right?
>>80788034
Well if you're gonna believe in anything's ability to ascertain the "Objective Truth", it's the system that has produced verifiable results.
>>80784237
What a meme.. Right or left you really think it takes wisdom to drink the koolaid?
>>80784237
Only this
>>80788345
Verifiably true results?
>>80781888
The only people that swing left are those that grew up in imbecilic repressive households, subsequently swallowing the personal liberty = leftism meme, and then proceeding to take an active role in their own indoctrination into leftist batshittery.
In short, Leftism is intellectual contrarianism.
>>80786188
How is this possible? I can't imagine going back.
>>80781888
Ariana Huffington was actually a Republican, though I doubt she was ever a serious conservative. John Bercow (current Speaker of the House of Commons) was and is a conservative, but supposedly has leaned to the left due to his wife's influence. Those are the two quickest examples off the top of my head.
Conversely, many left to right examples leap to mind. Both Hitchens brothers, Horowitz, Eldridge Cleaver, and so on.
>>80788555
First become agnostic
>>80785410
> Communism
Read some Mises you little shit.
>>80788328
It's not just children, adults solve problems by hypo-deductive thinking. You determine different variables and isolate ones that interfere with you discovering the truth about interactions between variables.
When I was a kid, I wanted to find out which type of pellet did the most damage from my pellet guns.
I used a book and old fruit to test the ballistics of my pellet guns. I shot them with each kind of pellet and checked the damage it did.
To control for the variables, I made sure that each type of target got each type of pellet, made sure that I used the same of my 4 guns for the experiment, and made sure I pumped the exact same number of times for every shot.
If I had messed up any of those controlling of variables, I would have skewed data that wouldn't be the most objective possible way to judge the damage of different types of pellets.
Crosman destroyers are the best by the way.
Science is just a refined, consistent and systematic way of doing logical thinking. I swear to god, if you don't understand why this makes sense you really should be neutered.
You are dead weight if you can't get this simple.
concept.
>>80785916
This. /pol/ is their own worst enemy. When they make so many incredibly bad arguments for their perspective it leads you wondering if there are any good reasons, more so than if they never argued at all.
>>80781888
how do they keep the pointy hats so pointy?
is there a cardboard cone in them?
>>80782872
cash and power is not left anon
>>80788848
I can't believe how many people here say they argue with facts and logic and then discard the scientific method as no more valid than faith in a Roman myth.
William Gladstone went from Tory to Whig.
>>80785916
the sjw tier bullshit thats happening here definitely made me sick of the right.
>boycotting google and tells everyone to use bing because google said one sjw thing
>going apeshit on bf1 and tells everyone to play verdun
>shits on every celeb that disapproves trump
>spams memes when faced with an opposition rather than engaging them
>doxxes literally everything
>getting triggered by oreo's latest product
i dont know if /pol/ was ever smart
>>80788825
>Science is just a refined, consistent and systematic way of doing logical thinking
Science is not logical thinking. Science is the scientific method
Logic can induce. The scientific method cannot induce
Logic can claim absolute truths. Science can only hope to approximate truth
And the only truth that science purports to reveal is purely empirical truth, not logical truth by any sense of the word
>>80788953
There's a wooden spike attached to a skullcap.
>>80788749
>Ludwig "Human Behavior Can't Be Modeled With Data" Mises
hahahahaha
I can only imagine angstry teens rebelling against super conservative parents, but it's not fair to say they were themselves ever conservative.
>>80781888
I knew a kid in highschool, was a liberal, then he read some Ayn Rand shit and decided he was a conservative/libertarian. Then he did a lot of drugs and became schizophrenic, he went through treatment and they beat the liberal narrative into him, now he's a BLM fag.
>>80781888
Originally I was a steadfast Republican, almost like Neocon. After reading a lot of Libertarian literature, I've learned that the personal freedom of the individual is one of the most important aspects in this country. I used to hate gays and be against gay marriage; but I came to terms with these people existing, and as long as the church isn't forced by the government to conduct marriage ceremonies, I could care less what a bunch of homos do.
That being said, I'm not by definition a liberal or anything like that. My primary problem with the liberal party is that they promote unobtainable pipe dreams (ie. world without racism, war, everyone being free of hate, no poor people, etc). It's those sort of disconnected ideals, that will never allow me to agree with 99% of their platforms.
>>80789642
sounds like he came to his senses
>>80789345
Logic - reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
Sounds a lot like it's tied in with science there buddy. The scientific method is based around the idea of being as logical and objective as possible. There is no more logical approach to any question of the nature of interactions than the scientific method, that's why it's used globally and agreed upon as the best system by the most qualified people.
>>80787167
Well, Isaac F. Marcosson wrote, in 1923, in the "New York Times," that "Mussolini is a Latin [Teddy] Roosevelt who first acts, and then inquires if it is legal. He has been of great service to Italy at home."
Will Rogers, Herbert Matthews, etc. all fairly influential in their time were pro-Mussolini.
The invasion of Ethiopia tarnished his image a little bit, but WWII propaganda ruined the American Left's fascination with Fascism entirely.
>>80786655
>le these scientific proofs don't agree with what i think so they are bad science meme
>>80788619
Maureen Orth did a fair and cruel profile of Ariana Huffington, concluding she was basically unknowable. Pretty good reading.
>>80783287
The redpill is not conservatism, you stupid alt-right GOnormie.
>>80781888
>But since I know no one ever goes from being atheist to theist WITHOUT FAKING IT LIKE MOST RED PILLED MEN DO
Kirk Cameron
>>80789956
>le poorly documented, unverifiable observations are science maymay
>>80789956
What scientific proof? I see some horribly applied statistics, pseudo-biology and pseudo-psychology. Nothing doing good analysis or research. The race stuff is decent, but you all get far too carried away with it.
>>80781888
I used to be strong Christian in the sense i believed in god and would prey a lot but I got made fun of for it in my family so I became Atheist, it made more sense i guess.
Nowadays i'm spiritual again, i believe in a higher power and i think Jesus was pretty based. But as an adult I can understand the true message that parables were trying to teach.
Strangely enough I was middle ground growing up but learnt more towards wtf is going on and why is everyone so unnatural, and had right wing tendencies but I got shamed for it again and eventually found peace as strong left. Anyway after i started trying to improve my mental health i became right winged and after i lost my virginity and got played with i red pilled on women and manipulative types of people aka leftists and became strongly right winged.
>>80787399
>it's not as important as this board pretends it is.
Citation needed
>>80787722
At the very least, when practiced skillfully and ethically, it produces a self-consistent truth, and that's the closest approximation to objective truth that society's been able to come up with thus far.
>>80788980
Calm down, asking questions is what separates us from the animals. Don't let philosophy 101 get your panties in a bind.
>>80781888
Flipped twice in my life.
I Heil Hitler once again.
>>80789831
>Logic - reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
Those strict principles of validity are strict principles exclusively of logic. They cannot be changed, morphed or adopted into science lest they would completely cease to be strict
>Sounds a lot like it's tied in with science there buddy.
>The scientific method is based around the idea of being as logical and objective as possible.
Science is purely the scientific method. It arbitrarily uses the principles of logic to fit whatever observation it encounters
That empirical observation always takes precedence and repeals or amends any rule of logic (hence why there is no "strict principles of validity" in the natural sciences)
>There is no more logical approach to any question of the nature of interactions than the scientific method
To the question of *physical* interactions
>that's why it's used globally and agreed upon as the best system by the most qualified people.
Not necessarily
>>80790341
The entire field of biology and genetics, even the very information you use shows that race is not the end all be all and there is a large amount of overlap in IQ.
>>80781888
>But since I know no one ever goes from being atheist to theist WITHOUT FAKING IT
How wrong you are, Pedro.
>>80781888
Once you understand the Jewish Question, there's no going back.
My father was a conservative, so I was brought up believing that was right. In my teens, I was a typical high-school kid that thought he knew everything and decided I was left-wing.
Now, I'm in my twenties and feel myself slowly going to back to the right, or at least reaching an equilibrium. I realized that choosing one side just boxes my beliefs in, but that's not how people work. No one can truly say they believe in everything that conservatives stand for, or everything liberals stand for.
I guess economically I'm left, but socially I'm beginning to lean right. Used to believe SJWs and BLM was a separate, more radical sect of left-wingers, but because of what is currently happening in this country, the line is starting to blur, and I refuse to be on the same side as those people.
They're just as retarded as the 'conservative bigots' they're fighting against, just the opposite end of the spectrum.
>>80785873
>> talk positive talk
literally doublespeak shill
>>80787123
in the U.S.A libertarianism means your entire political system is based on the idea of private property, expanded with ideas that there is no such thing as collectives, and that only individuals can be legitimate agents in this world.
>>80782791
>>80783061
>FPBP
what does that mean?
>>80781888
People only go from right to left if raised in a conservative family and trying to rebel. Usually they end up going back to the right side when they pay taxes.
Nice trips btw.
>>80790460
>That empirical observation always takes precedence
Yes no shit, pick a more objectively correct way to judge reality besides empiricism. Your whole bullshit is based on empiricism being wrong.
>>80790783
A retarded generalization.
>>80790397
>At the very least, when practised skilfully and ethically, it produces a self-consistent truth,
How does ethically practising science lead to a more self-consistent truth?
>and that's the closest approximation to objective truth that society's been able to come up with thus far.
How would you know this?
>>80790709
First post, best post.
My entire family is conservative. I did the whole liberal teenager horseshit while I exercised my angst. Then I went to college and saw the disgusting leftist hive mind and became a very right wing thin libertarian. I have only ever seen people move to the right in my experience with red pilling friends etc.
>>80781888
never even once
>>80786276
Likewise, the butthurt, awkward autistic resentment of /pol/ has made be move away from positions that defend white male virginity and embrace diversity more readily. The cringe factor here promoted an allergic reaction for me. It was amplified by how inarticulate and meme-based most of the posts here are. I don't want my beliefs to be backed up by some weird Pepe face. I want some self-respect instead. I'm not much more left than when I started out here.
I was agnostic and I still am but I accept social and cultural value of Christianity and honestly I like the religion.
However I doubt I'll ever become honest believer. All deist religions seem like bullshit (in absolute sense).
>>80790797
>Yes no shit, pick a more objectively correct way to judge reality besides empiricism.
First tell me how empiricism is correct
>Your whole bullshit is based on empiricism being wrong.
I don't believe empiricism is wrong. I never saw any proof that it is right
>>80790709
FPBP=Fuck portugal, ban portuguese.
>>80791034
you sound jewish
>>80791143
Because science is applied in every aspect of our lives with success. Our modern society is almost entirely built on advancements achieved through the use of empiricism and the practical application of the scientific method. You are a very specific form of stupid.
>>80791179
>A fuckin dentist
>>80791034
Their views on sex and relationships are just about the cringiest thing on the internet. So obviously the thoughts of neurotic and sexless weirdos.
>>80790643
>literally
Tumblr is the other way, amigo.
>>80791321
>Because science is applied in every aspect of our lives with success
Is it applied such that it obtains objective truth? See >>80787722
>Our modern society is almost entirely built on advancements achieved through the use of empiricism and the practical application of the scientific method.
Does that make the scientific method more truthful?
>>80791143
In fact you are a waste of time, enjoy your newfound like as a christcuck because you forgot why the scientific method is a good idea.
I've deliberately forced myself to try and understand where liberals / leftists are coming from. I can sympathize with them, I just find that I agree more with right-wing ideas. Group selfishness is a virtue, not a vice.
>>80791582
Yes objectively it does. If science didn't come up with correct answers, technology and systems based off of its discoveries would not work.
You should be neutered.
>>80791034
>muh diversity
Enjoy it, cuck.
>>80786655
That's not even true. We are redpilled know that technology is repressed for the sake of money. For example, the lightbulb is made to burn out when we have the ability to make them last thousands of years. Or for instance modern engines being only slightly altered despite breakthroughs in engineering.
Have you even seen Jacque Fresco's denied patents? It's pathetic how bad technology is hoarded and controlled. So don't come off and say /pol/ is anti technology like some halfwit. Many of us bettered ourselves to one day influence this tech world
>>80791626
Christ is my God, not the scientific method
I treat it purely instrumentalistically
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumentalism
>>80791143
Prove you exist.
I am one of the few left wingers on this board.
Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown murders opened my eyes to how much racism black peopke face on a daily basis.
You guys hide behind words like meritocracy but don't realize your statistics and facts are hatefacts that most people rightfully dismiss.
No joke, when I get a gf I hope she wants a cuckold relationship. Give back to the community we have pillaged in the purest way possible.
>>80791717
Does objective truth necessarily means practical truth?
>>80791840
Why isn't Thor your God?
>>80791308
Brought up Catholic.
>>80791725
And yes, /pol/'s desire for an all-male /pol/ony has actually pushed me to appreciate much more the value of cultural difference and variety.
>>80791484
Mexico's down south beaner
>>80791717
But anon aren't we always talking about how materialism is a Jewish trick? The "truth" of multiculturalism leading to higher GDP is a false truth at the end of the day; even though it's technically correct, it's ultimately wrong because it's considering the wrong aspect of the thing. The scientific method doesn't have to be a BELIEF SYSTEM even if it's "right".
>>80791934
I literally checked this flag three times just to make sure it wasn't canadian or australian.
>>80791942
Does being correct mean being right?
>>80791856
In what way?
>>80791934
These are the posts I come here for.
>>80791934
>hatefacts
You almost had me until that last sentence though, 6.5/10
>>80792064
Objective truth is not necessarily practical truth
>>80781888
I went Christian -> Agnostic -> sort of Christian
Religion supports family and community. Moreover, conservatism feels incomplete without religion.
>>80791951
Thor is not defined absolutely. God is
>>80792124
Last 2 sentences I guess
apply yourself, this is why Canada and Australia beats us in shitposting
>>80792254
Are you sure? By what method do you determine how absolutely God has been defined?
>>80792089
The transformation of a /pol/ster is from left to right to shitposter
>>80792148
>>80792379
I read the definition to the God of Abraham and the definition to Thor
>>80791985
14th amendment's a bitch, ain't it?
>>80781888
I went from right wing to left wing when I realized the Republican party is just a bunch of racists. I didn't know what I was thinking
Some people go from traditionalist or religious to leftist. Particularly if they were raised in a certain strict way. I think some people fall out of love with the markets, which is definitely a right to left transition.
I don't think too many go from alt right to SJW, or nativist to globalist, or similar. Few become more idealistic in that way as time goes on, and I think the only way it would happen is a kind of moderate to more extreme SJW which doesn't really count.
>>80792461
Objective
>of or relating to something that can be known, or to something that is an object or a part of an object; existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality
In what way is this necessarily practical?
>adapted or designed for actual use; useful:
http://www.dictionary.com
>>80788555
you just get tired of a shit world and want a higher power.
I was raised catholic but am pretty much atheist/agnostic now. I still think christianity is needed in the west to keep islam at bay though. Most people are too retarded to become atheists in that society will become weak.
>>80792869
A=A aka Truth
End justifies means = practical "truth"
Choose one friend.
>>80790170
the r/k selection shit really bugs me when it gets brought up here.
People on /pol/ think that because niggers have more kids they're r selected when in reality humans as a whole are considered K. It's never been applied intra-species and the differences are more vast than nigger/white birth rates.
We're talking about the difference between birthing one or two kids at a time and having them be dependent on parents as juveniles vs. shitting out thousands of egg/sperm cells into the air/water and having the young be independent from brith.
>>80793244
I have no idea what you're talking about
>>80781888
I describe myself as a conservative, but the right wing in america is NOT conservative. I support obama since he was far more socially liberal than Mccain's senile ass
People go from atheists to believers even more often than they go from right wing to left wing.
source: am former atheist + leftie of 10 years and now permanent right winger.
>>80781888
>It feels like asking if people ever went from being atheists (skeptical, rational...) to believers (wishful-thinking, self-delusion...).
Christ Op
How many fucking people have you met that were previously retarded liberals?
>>80785723
I think you took a wrong turn at /r9k/
>>80787106
>lit
you have to go back
>>80790876
>How does ethically practicing science lead to a more self-consistent truth?
Because the entire premise of science is to find a self-consistent description of reality. Unethical science implies falsifying or ignoring data, and the chances that falsified observations will match the underlying reality are vanishingly small. The true nature of reality does not change, the ethical lapse either adds statistical noise to the body of observations, or reinforces the current prevailing (but wrong to some degree) theory, slowing actual scientific progress.
> How would you know this?
I personally haven't found/recognized a method that has produced a more self-consistent description of reality than the scientific method, but I'm not all-knowing, so I guess there might be something else out there that does.
>>80785616
What made you turn left-wing?
I saw a post that really made me think few hours ago, I am now a #shillforhill.
>>80786188
>by my own choosing
Just proving my point senpai.
>>80787012
Science is a paradigm of truth just as religion was a paradigm of truth in the olden days.
Science is a tool, not the gospel.
>>80786685
You still there, bro?
Would really love to know what changed for you.
You vote Bloco? I am a registered member for a decade but haven't voted for them in 5 or 6 years.
Most people here who still defend leftist beliefs keep talking about
>muh top 1%
Hey, morons. Corporatism is the product of liberal regulation of the market. Liberal legislation on business is the route of all evil in terms of the wealth gap.
Capitalism =/= Corporatism
Corporatism is a cucked version of psuedo-communist-autocracy trying to masquerade as "capitalism"
>>80787014
>I was a race realist, now I'm a center-left liberal.
How does that even happen?
Anyway, I don't think the question makes too sense as "right" has almost completely lost its meaning.
For instance, both a libertarian and a radical traditionalist are """right""" in normie terms, but the former is much closer to a commie(archetypal leftie) than the latter, and thus much more likely to turn back in my opinion.
More people go left to right by age 50, but more people go right to left past or close to retirement age.
>>80782782
Same beginning and end result here, except I was an atheist for a few years.
>>80784092
[spoiler]The Altamont?[/spoiler]
I don't get this trend of relating religion to the right and atheism to the left. Politics have no use of religion, it's all propaganda to get votes from people that won't bother thinking for themselves, and that goes for both sides.
The moment politicians use religion as a tool they should lose all credibility.
>>80781888
Sure some may have, but the common thing is to move towards the right as you grow up, thats what critical thinking does for you, but it also stops you soon enough. Just say you are center-something and you'll look ok to the average person.
>>80781888
I did for a short time but since then I've gotten redpilled harder than ever before. I wish I had never left so I could have seen what is coming sooner. In the end, I'm back on the right side again and I can help to enlighten people around me.
>>80790615
You're saying the European left are not aware of the Jewish question?
>>80799011
Religion has no party but in the past the Right Wing monarchies used the idea of divine right to justify social classes. The idea that religion and divine right were wrong became an idea of people like Danton and Robespierre. Because of that radicals tended to support Atheism and Theists used religion to support social classes.
>>80788347
But acceptance of hard truths is the first step to higher understanding. the first glimpse down the rabbit hole. Not the final destination.
>>80791741
I've never heard of Jacque Fresco's denied patents and I'm interested in what he proposed
>>80797653
Cuckoldry.
>>80781888 (nice Hitler trips)
People don't really go from red-pill to blue-pill. People can go to neo-con to shitlib though.
