But it's no wonder, Ireland has the lowest corporate tax in the world. Free market at work, gentlemen.
Based Noonan slipped a fuckin sly one under the entire world once again. We're the sly limerickman of the world, slithering back to success.
>>80776205
Not so true
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/aircraft-leasing-activities-to-distort-trade-figures-says-esri-1.2235091
>>80776721
Trade is not GDP growth
>>80776242
Not just capitalism. Sly hoorism. Allow to explain.
In 2011, Michael Noonan became minister for finance of Ireland. We were reeling from a gigantic crash. Emigration was close to 5% of the population per year, borrowing was close to 30% of public expenditure. The banks were insolvent. Our credit rating was in the shit. We were the second I in the PIIGS, but none of the others fell as hard as fast, the tax take had plummeted and unemployment had tripled.
That's where BASED NOONAN comes in
He adopts the driest, weariest tone he can muster, and he slithers all over the radio and TV, announcing cuts all over the place. But he restored stability. The public finances stabilised. He put the departments of foreign affairs and enteprise under the wing of experienced technocrat Richard Bruton - They got to work, and growth turned around. A tiny bit. Enough to slither in.
And so he slithered. He took advantage of historically low credit availability and refinanced all the debt at lower rates (than 5-10% interest rates we were getting in the crisis). He paid off the English first. No good having them hold over a crisis bilateral loan. Then as things stabilised further, he set the NTMA to work auctioning bonds. And they dropped. And he refinanced and so on. All this bullshittery reduced the cost of borrowing, allowing modestly expansionary budgetary measures, which stimulated economic growth.
Then the payoff started from the FDI push. Quietly and ever so competently, they marketed. Ireland was weathering the storm. Ireland would keep the tax rate.
Then he did a stroke. The 6.5% nominal tax rate on "KNOWLEDGE BOX" licensing. The perfect container for newly mobile firms seeking tax avoidance. The rest of the world was already irate about 12.5% and BASED Noonan slipped them the 6.5% rate.
So now he presides over the fastest growing economy in the world. Record GDP growth. The scheme is handwaved away, but in reality, the world remains agape, incredulous.
we cook the books a little, we're the snaky jews of europe
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/handful-of-multinationals-behind-26-3-growth-in-gdp-1.2719047
An economist should not be surprised by this, unless they are a paid off government hack/propagandist.
>>80777232
The GDP figure sort of overshadows the genuinely incredible turnaround in the economics. But it's all the Limerickman's smoke and mirrors. The day he retires, the emperor's new clothes will come off. Some Dublin man with no bullshit in him to pull a sly one the vultures of international finance will spoil it all.
Remember that the first celtic tiger also succeeded a stint as minister for finance for Michael Noonan. Bertie & Co simply inherited the house in '97, as MEEHAUL and Co will in a year or so's time. But just remember the dry shite cute hoor limerickman who got you there.
>handful of big tax dodgers move paper headquarters to ireland
>WOw our GDP grew! What a miracle!
>create giant financial bubble
>WOOOO CELTIC TIGER HERE WE GO LADS
>bubble bursts
>fuck
>...
>you know what let's do it again
>WOOOOOOOOOOO CELTIC TIGER
>>80775684
Canada's is 15. You were saying? America's is 39 and what it's an economic shithouse?
>>80775684
And yet it is still a shithole. It's almost like GDP isn't a good indicator socio-economic success.
>>80777817
Actually, they have much tighter lending restrictions. In any case, it was your dickhead financiers that made it possible by flooding Irish banks with cheap credit, which they lent to a skyrocketing property market, giving average Paddy and Marys 110% mortgages at 500K for a 2bed in Longford. The property bubble was as much a dysfunction of European finance as Irish cute hoorism (which was plenty in evidence).
>>80778065
>, giving average Paddy and Marys 110% mortgages
It was our financial regulators who figured this was a fine thing though.
Believe me, I have a pot of gold
>>80777970
Canadian nor American GDP has never risen by such a gigantic proportion. Ireland is a small enough economy that movements in a few billion can dramatically affect the percentage growth rate. For the US or Canada to jump economically by 15 or 39% would be an unprecedented leap in productivity.
Ireland's only skimming the top in global economic terms, availing of some easy mobile cash by making things here cushy for them. We needed to do this to prosper on account of being a wet, impoverished bog hole on the atlantic coast of Europe. But at this point we're one of the world's best positioned countries, English speaking, EU member, very educated, business friendly. The only thing that holds us back is a lack of momentum, capital that came easy will leave easy given a better opportunity. We need to stay competetive.
Noting to see here, all is well!
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/aug/24/ireland-house-prices-property-bubble-debt
>>80778279
Our financial regulators assumed (as apparently every member of the narcissist generation did) the only way was up, that the banks could assess risk responsibly (because they used to, reckless lending was a creeping problem, because they did used to have to be more careful). Truth was, Paddy and Mary appeared to be doing well. Yay everyone! Every bundle of cash they threw out for a while yielded retarded returns. The property market fuelled that inflation and everyone in the game from Mick the builder to Fritz the investment broker made a killing until 2008, then the arse fell out of it, and the house of card crashed down. Doesn't seem to be quite the same way now, what with a tax base that isn't fuelled mostly by stamp duty payments on new housing. Now Britain on the other hand has all the ingredients of our crash, but hasn't quite suffered it yet. It's inevitable though, and possibly will manifest in the Autumn.
>>80777817
basically, because everything is cyclic, construction, destruction, construcrion, destruction...
war, peace periods, war, peace periods...
economic growth, recesion, economic growth, recesion...
nothing changes really
>>80778591
The leap in 2014 appears to have been a return to normal trends. late 2015 and 2016 house price figures in Dublin have stagnated, and the commuter belt and satellite towns are now picking up neatly in line. Current Dublin residential prices have settled at around 3% inflation per annum. Possibly due to revised mortgage lending restrictions (which the banks are lobbying to remove, of course).
>>80775684
no offense but this is purely because every company in the world wants to pay next to no tax so they go to Ireland
shit even i thought about moving there and i dont even have a company yet nor do i like ireland
It all checks out, We just did the books, everyone should buy shares in Ireland !
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/analysis-crazy-growth-figures-bear-scant-relationship-to-reality-1.2719106
>>80777121
>He adopts the driest, weariest tone he can muster, and he slithers all over the radio and TV, announcing cuts all over the place.
The mad man. Also why use slither? Is he reptilian?
>>80778823
Wtf this is exactly how the American recession happened, how could you retards not see this coming?
>>80779072
>every company in the world wants to pay next to no tax
Gee who would've guess Capitalism worked
>>80775684
Ireland is basically a shell company.
Theres nothing wrong with this, its just business.
>>80775684
ireland is also becoming a faggot nation at an exponential rate.
I don't know how to tell you this, but material wealth is the enemy of mankind, and mammon is the vehicle by which satan enters the world.
>>80775684
in reality, americans are just switching to ireland from britain as an english speaking nation to serve as our gateway into EU financial markets.
>>80779760
You're just an intolerant bigot!
>>80779290
Same way as you retards didn't see it coming. The only reason our property market bubble popped was because the the mortgage debt crisis that started in the US.
Also, loads of fucking people saw it coming. We even had lots of documentaries on our national broadcaster talking about how insane our debt levels were and how crazy the banks were operating, but no one actually wanted to do anything about it.
>>80779760
>material wealth is the enemy of mankind
says the burger
In all fairness though, since 2008 wages have fallen and not recovered , rent and house prices have incresed drasticaly , the room i used to rent jumped from 500 two years ago to 800 and disposable income stagnated , most people and although there has been some new job created there all in administration and bullshit with pretty shitty pay in comparison with other countires like the states, Developeres igh get offered 30k mas out at 60k for experienced bacuse we can just hire somebode else with broken english to do it, evey job i go into half the people are brazilian or form eastern europe, nice people might i add, but most of my friends are unemployed (Arts Degrees), also i barley here english on my comute to work anymore , its all spansih studentes or polish yappering louldy on there phones to there familys back home in poland who there sending hald htere mone to to build houses , which i say fair play too, but it also measn alot of the money createdit going abroad strating away on not get reinvested , also eveyone tends to spend all there money on alochol and travel abroad if they have any left at the end of the month, and when shit hits the fan everones going to leave agian like i did
>>80779254
Because he's a shnake. A shankey shnake
>>80780062
I would know better than anyone, wouldn't I?
>>80777121
That's interesting anon. Didn't know the whole scoop there.
Say what you will about our government, but we do actually tend to have people who can get shit done and know how to keep the basics of our economy and financials going. That's what separates us from a lot of europe.
>>80779529
it's national capitalism; nations compete between each other to be favored by corporations.
I don't know if it is actually a good thing, at least it keep the socialist a bay, since most excessive money will be funneled into the competition.
>>80780159
don't tred on me pls
>>80780174
s... shut up
what the fuck is up with irish physiognomy?
>>80780119
>eveyone tends to spend all there money on alocho
Ah that's what I was reading there ;]
Free market best market
>>80780119
>also eveyone tends to spend all there money on alochol and travel abroad if they have any left at the end of the month
It's not living for the weekend anymore. It's living for the weekend away. The amount of money wasted on pissups in London
>>80780360
Turns out when you eat the potato for multiple generations, you start to look like them : (
Fuck yeah
>>80775684
Slovakia nad poland grew by almost 50%, and a lot of eastern european countries grew a lot.
Growth that rapid reeks of bubble economy. I wouldn't get your hopes up just yet.
white pepo
>>80780583
That's cumulatively since 2004 though. Ireland grew 26% in 2015 alone.
>>80780583
/v4/ stronk
I heard ireland has a lot of homeless people, is this true?
>Desiretoknowmoreintensifies.jpeg
Tell me about the potato
how does it grow so much?
How is the job market for a burger who wants to be POTATOED
Ireland superpower by 2020
>>80780255
We also have populists who will drive us into the ground for votes though.
Imagine if we took all the boom money and did something with it? We'd be set. Instead, we pump billions into banks and somehow manage to not gain ownership of them from doing it.
>>80780119
You know, if you're on the dole, they pay you to go on courses, go to college. Any dipshit can go on a pharma lab tech or manufacturing line course and be in a pharma job in 12 months. Any dipshit with a brain can go to UCD with a liberal arts undergrad and come out the other side with a Masters in Computer Science, and slime into a job with a multinational. I'm not saying it's never been easier, but actually getting a job if you're arsed qualifying into it is not this easy in other countries.
>>80780523
>>80780924
Not sure. Probably not. We have a "homelessness" problem right now. Which is basically a lot of people who can't afford houses, who usually get one from the state, don't have one right now. Instead the state is paying for them to stay in hotels. So they aren't on the street, but it's being called a "homelessness" problem.
There's a few homeless people on the streets too, but they get free hostels to sleep in, but a lot don't want to because they are dangerous apparently.
>>80781066
>Imagine if we took all the boom money and did something with it?
We did, and then some. That's how we got into debt before the crash. Then we got into more debt.
>Instead, we pump billions into banks and somehow manage to not gain ownership of them from doing it.
We did get ownership of them.
>>80780523
>Now i have become potato, destroyer of genes
Ireland needs to make a massive military investment asap, and then engage in coalition combat with the USA for awesome foreign aid.
>tfw we've been stealing all of America's corporations while they blame Meixco
>>80781403
Agreed. Right now we are neutral pussies : (.
>>80781403
Nah you're alright
>>80781403
ireland is a gay country now, they can't do that zerg rush shit they did before.
>>80781403
We're already too complicit in US imperialism, fuck off
>>80775684
The problem isn't GDP growth. Why can't you fucking corporate cock-sucking clowns realize this?
The problem is how much of a person's economic output gets shared by him and his employer.
In the US, average economic output per citizen has been growing steadily (GDP Per Capita), but a higher share of that economic output goes to the rich than before leaving the median income of the middle class lower than it was several decades ago.
>>80781403
>massive military investment
Ireland is a neutral country. All our army does is stand around in Africa making sure the uncivilized niggers don't start clubbing each other to death
>>80781532
Lol the only good thing about Ireland is its neutrality.
>>80781696
Ireland and most of europe is completely dependant on the US military. It's sad as fuck that we don't have serious militaries over here. Irelands not poor anymore. We can afford to do our bit.
>>80781823
>neutrality
>good
>>80781790
so even your modest military is ruining the world
When's the next recession lads?
>>80781144
Yar, I know, I worked in tech and finance, lots of incapable people doing meaingless jobs just so we can bill the clinet and tell them it takes a lot of specilesied work when in fact eveyone is a dumb ass
>>80782085
Any day now.
>>80779760
>edgelord bolshevik
>>80781744
workers are overexploited by (business) and (government) because fuck them. whats new?
>>80781349
>We did get ownership of them.
No, we got ""ownership."""
Somehow, we can't actually influence them in any way.
Ok that's nice and dandy Ireland. Now how about you get the Muslims out of Dublin? You let that city go to shit overnight
This is why the EU is committing to a "genuine Economic Union, a Financial Union, a Fiscal Union and a Political Union by 2025." Fiscal policy will be dictated from Brussels before long.
>>80782238
Full communism when lad
>>80775684
There's no such thing as a free market you stupid prick.
>>80782249
>Somehow, we can't actually influence them in any way.
We could. It's just not wise to do so. Can't force them to give out more mortgages etc. If they don't do it themselves it's because they know it's risking money, so if we own them and force them to give out mortgages, we are really just risking the money we put into them.
>>80781875
We'd end up defending you paddies if you ended up getting invaded. We can't have a hostile state doing a cuba next door.
>>80782327
How does /pol/ drag every single aspect of politics back to "pakis out reeeeeee"?
>>80782085
nest year when Deutchbank fails, merkel Invided an army of young men to the country , she'll promice them permant residnets if they fight for here in the upcomming war
https://www.rt.com/business/350622-european-banks-crisis-deutsche-bank/
>>80781875
Isn't your economy still shit after the recession? You guys were on the up and up before it happened
>>80782085
Thursday week
>>80782507
But you really did let the Paki's take over your city. Its a fucking shithole now
Reminder that it will only continue to grow as the UK leaves the EU as the number of countries with english as the first language has dropped , so all the american multinationals are gonna move here
>>80782579
Did you see the OP?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-12/ireland-s-economy-grows-26-as-u-s-companies-chase-lower-taxes
>>80782458
Keep in mind we have an organization dedicated to buying property and reselling it at a lower price. And that they do this while people repeatedly state the use of keeping this property.
>>80775684
Goolgle, Apple, Facebook etc are all now based in Ireland, dodging tax.
It massively skews the figures.
None of this money will even be seen by the Irish. It all slips offshore.
>>80782662
That's not real growth. That's just shell companies that pretend to be here.
>>80782507
Clearly none of them have even been to Dublin either
>>80782645
Dublin is a European capital and thus pretty multicultural. The problem with Dublin is not brown people but the heroin addicts that line the streets
I can only hope that changes attitudes to economy around Europe... people sadly love socialism
Poland is being destroyed by the new govt national socialist policies, Greece is destroyed, Italy is walking dead since introduction of the euro
>>80775684
Growth is not a good thing faggot.
>>80782680
Thank God someone understands this.
GDP and GDP Per Capita mean nothing to the bottom 99%. What the middle class should care about is how much in income they're making.
We keep focusing on the wrong thing. Higher GDP Per Capita means nothing when immigration fucks the labor supply and gives the rich a higher share of your economic output.
>>80782747
yeah, but you make money off of it. more money than you'd make if you didn't shell. collecting 12.5% of billions is nothin to sneeze at
>>80782785
so where in Ireland is it still pure with no hint of Mudslimes?
>>80782673
We can't afford that property. We borrowed an insane amount of money to be able to buy it, to prevent the banks melting down. We need to pay it back, so we want to sell all that shit again to pay that debt back. Ideally at the best price possible, so we'll slowly start selling it as prices go up.
People think because we own it already, it's free property or something, but we only own it on borrowed money. If we keep the property we have to pay the price of it in debt repayments that must come from the tax base.
>>80780328
your fingerprints have been forwarded to the FBI
>>80782927
Which part Is sharia again?
>>80782927
Most of the country, particularly the stereotypical comfy country villages.
But I find those places claustrophobic desu.
>>80782785
The problem with Dublin is the dubliners. Dublin is 20% nice area, 80% scumhole. Most of dublin needs to be firebombed.
Its kind of funny and sad that people with Irish heritage are more proud to be Irish than actual Irishman
>>80782968
>implying that's me cleverly disguised CCTV camera
>>80782680
they see 6.5 percent of it at least.
To all the retards here that need to learn to read, Ireland grew this much over a single year not over a decade.
I'm Irish-American
Would Ireland welcome me with open arms? My ancestors came to the US during the potato famine, but I think it's a good time for me to go back to their homeland.
>>80783162
Is Cork any better?
>>80783162
Dublin is still the best city in the country, petty tribalism aside. Cork is the only place that comes close and even then it's not a great place.
>>80781053
DESIGNATED PISSUP STREETS.
(((economists))) are baffled but economics are not.
>>80775684
And Britain's Chancellor of the Exchequer -- George Osborne -- has just reduced (two weeks ago) the UK's corporation tax to 15%, the lowest rate for any major economy. I'd like to see those banks try to move to Frankfurt now..
>>80783321
>>80783163
It's sorta normal though. When you live in your own country, you're just a normal faggot. But when you move someplace else, then you are "the irish guy" and you become pretty proud of that.
Also helps that everyone absolutely loves Ireland, so it's easy to be proud of it. People certainly whine about absolutely everything when they live here though.
>>80775684
Europe will be regulating such taxes soon, so don;t worry.
>>80783326
Yeah, cork is really nice actually. I lived there for a year. I'd love to live there again. Galway is great too. Really everywhere outside of Dublin is nice apart from limerick. And everywhere in the west is nice.
>>80783311
grew in what way even
>>80783329
Best in what sense?
>>80782579
>Isn't your economy still shit after the recession? You guys were on the up and up before it happened
Irish real economy is in the garbage......20% unemployed now.
All the big US tech companies build a headquarters in Dublin to syphon all their profits there to dodge tax.
It makes the Irish growth look huge but then the companies shift that money to the Caymans.
Ireland only gets to sniff the money for a few months before it's moved out.
>>80775684
It's meaningless when those companies fleeing high taxes don't really create any jobs in Ireland.
>>80782866
The average person with a bachelors can make 30k.
That good enough for you?
>>80777232
>>80775684
FUCK YEAH CAPITALISM
>>80783575
30k isn't a whole lot of money though
>>80782927
>>80782966
>People think because we own it already, it's free property or something, but we only own it on borrowed money.
It's not an issue of the money.
We can always scrape the cost from somewhere, but selling all this property is a rather major issue for actual people.
>>80783518
Limerick is so terrible. These contrived attempts to say it's great from other Limerick people really annoy me too.
t. Limerick native
>>80780328
Kek'd
>>80777657
>hating on the international financial system
Fuck you we created this world and we're the ones who keep it running, and this is the thanks?
>>80783640
Then you have your answer.
>>80778877
Wow really makes you think.
Nice triplets bt w
>>80783373
>echo maymay in pol
Kys faggot
>>80783665
I guess the irish are muslim repellent.
>>80783404
friendly reminder that the Irish are the most irritating white people beside americans. Hurrr everyone loves irish people when we go abroad.
yahnah, youre literally all the same irritating character trying to tell "funny" stories about things that happened to your mate.
>>80782351
>This is why the EU is committing to a "genuine Economic Union, a Financial Union, a Fiscal Union and a Political Union by 2025." Fiscal policy will be dictated from Brussels before long.
2025? No lad.
Satan will be skating to work before that happens. More likely that the European Union will have shrunk dramatically by 2030 and dead by 2040.
>>80783665
>Escape from a shithole called Iraq, where suicide bombers kill people every day and the government is a wreck
>Move to a nicer country where I have more opportunists for success
>Bitch and moan because people who aren't Muslim are doing things you don't like
Muslims. Every single time./
>>80783543
There's simply more going on in Dublin and you feel that. Wider variety of people and places and things to do than anywhere else here
>>80783329
>He's never heard of the Tipperary countryside.
Good. Fucking stay out.
>>80783844
Checked, and it''s more common than you'd think.
>>80783665
Good riddance
>>80783559
7.8%
>>80775684
Are the girls in Ireland QT 3.14s?
>>80783745
people actually give their money to niggers for finance?
jews really have lost their minds
>>80783928
You know he could have moved to say, Jordan or Saudi Arabia. Instead he goes somewhere where he knows Islam isn't the dominant religion.
Muslims are brought up and raised on this fact that everyone must kiss Allah's ass or you die
>>80783766
So Ireland is still fucked despite the 26% growth? Tbh the growth feels like another bubble
>>80783665
see this is exactly why we need to incorporate their particular skills into our military machine.
>>80783691
>We can always scrape the cost from somewhere
The fuck does that mean? Scrape it from social welfare payments? Scrape it from the healthcare budget? We're talking about 10's of billions of euros here. This is entirely about money. It is as easy to buy new property to give to people as it is to put them in the NAMA owned properties. Buying new properties would make more sense since you can pick the properties at a good price. There's no point giving a 5 bedroom house to some single mom and her retard kid just because we happen to own it. We could sell it for half a million and buy a small apartment for them. Then have money spare to buy someone else a home.
It drives me nuts how Ireland is full of lefties who can't understand math or economics.
>>80775684
CELTIC FUCKIN TIGER
>>80781920
Better than being a cuck.
>>80779072
lol you are saying that like it is bad.
>>80784183
>muh heritage
>>80783665
>you treat disease riddled animals like dogs
What did she mean by this?
>>80783706
yep. Feels equally depressing when there's RTE programs trying to make Dublin look like it's some wonderful place to live. Maybe if you can afford to live in D4.. Even then the city centre is a violent hell hole with DESIGNATED PISSING STREETS. Sure why would the irish capital need fucking public toilets? Fuck that, just piss outside. Why not.
>>80779760
holy shit man shut up
>>80784311
Probably "you treat disease riddled animals (like dogs)..."
>>80784311
We treat Muslims like dogs
>>80783881
yeah, that's literally it. Dublin is big, so it has the big shops and big events. It's otherwise an utter hell hole.
>>80783665
>>80784085
There is no tangible sense of "boom" here. Of course it's improved since 2008 but there's no allusions about another Celtic Tiger or anything. Most people are still too traumatised by the recession. We're not doing as well as the OP suggests, far from it
>>80777121
This is hte truth, can't tell what he's saying when he speaks on the radio I just drift off.
>>80784202
being neutral is being a cuck
>please, everyone fight my wars for me. I don't want to get involved even though my sovereignty is at risk just like everyone elses.
pathetic
>>80776242
>National economists
>Baffled by Corporate Incentive
Holy fucking shit I'm golden
>>80783321
>My ancestors came to the US during the potato famine, but I think it's a good time for me to go back to their homeland.
Fuck no. It's bad enough with the English pulling the plastic Paddy routine because of BRExit without the yanks doing it as well.
>>80784528
I'm not claiming that Dublin is a major European city or anything but the competition for its status as the best city in the country here is scarce
>>80784739
#BritfugeesNotWelcome
>>80784656
All we do with our military is intervene in places we shouldn't be getting involved in. Did you really want to be in on Iraq?
>>80782416
god damnit bro everyone knows this semantically and you know what the fuck he means
>>80782852
HAHAHAHH
About time
Maybe I can sell my zoned field soon enough for a few hundred thousand drinks on me boys waheyy
>>80784656
I too remember the grave threat Afghanistan posed to Irish sovereignty, it's a shame we didn't act upon it
>>80775684
>Implying that money will actually be spent in Ireland.
Being a tax haven does not mean that your population will actually have a better living standard. And since the corporate tax rate is so low the government does not get that much of a boost to tax revenue.
>>80784776
only if your only criteria for "best" are
>most people
>more stuff going on
>more shops
London is a big city, but it's actually nice. Nice atmosphere, clean, lots of nice architecture and shit.
Dublin reeks of piss and is filled with violent drug addicts and scumbags and guards who don't give a fuck. All the buildings in the city centre are dirty and crumbling. The whole city centre is filthy. It's also hard to find nice places to eat. You have to walk around for fucking ages to find something nice that not astronomically expensive. In cork or galway there's nice little cafe's and restaurants everywhere you walk.
These are things that matter to me. But if you don't mind the aroma of piss in the streets in the middle of the afternoon so long as you have "more people" then Dublin is great I guess.
>>80781790
also they shoot farmer's cows at home
>>80784739
>#BritfugeesNotWelcome
Don't look at me matey. I'm only in the UK because my Pa works at the Irish consulate in London.
I'd rather be home in Cork.
>>80784973
nope, but I want to be have the ability to. If shit really went down some day i'd like ireland to be able to do it's part.
>>80784619
Well that was a waste of a thread then. OP sucking captialism for nothing.
But how has Ireland recovered from 08? Even if the 26% growth is smoke and mirrors has Ireland's economy grown in some way?
>>80785412
better than the alternative
>>80785384
Be grand, we have the iodine tablets anyways
>>80785384
we don't have to be neutral to not get involved in wars we don't like. I just don't want WW3 to start and for us to deliberately stay out of it for no good reason.
>>80785428
This, Dublin is an absolute shithole. Should be abolished and rebuilt.
>>80775684
Its a consequence of statistics rather than the actual economic growth, real economic growth was ~5%-5.5%
>>80785542
Yeah it's still a positive for Ireland but it's not even close to what actual 26% GDP growth would mean.
We should keep neutrality but invest in some more naval ships to protect our waters, just in case. Plus a few jet fighters wouldn't go astray.
>>80785522
I don't have the numbers for you, but on a visceral level it's: things aren't rock bottom and are half decent?
Yay I guess?
Not much to write home about.
>>80785848
Unless you plan on an Irexit, what's the point? You agreed to the EU pillaging your waters when you signed up. Fun fact, Britain and Ireland accounted for 70% of the EU's fishing waters.
>>80784164
>We could sell it for half a million and buy a small apartment for them. Then have money spare to buy someone else a home
Are you retarded?
The whole problem is that there aren't any houses. You cannot buy what does not exist, and the gov has proved to be failures at building them.
>>80785848
>Tfw Djibouti has a bigger army than us
We need to expand the army by atleast a division
>>80786201
Government can't really go out and give Mick the builder millions to build houses because of EU regulations, which other EU countries happily disregard, but we are the poster boys of Europe.
>>80786136
Ah, things are better since 2008. But there really isn't shit going on outside of dublin.
>>80785848
that sounds like a lot. I need to read up more about that...
>>80779072
>no offense but this is purely because every company in the world wants to pay next to no tax so they go to Ireland
Well no shit they went for the taxes. That's capitalism. Companies don't choose locations because they like the country or not, they choose based on economic circumstances.
>>80785596
Shur we'll just activate the IRA sleeper cells and we'll be grand
>>80775684
>make of viagra moves form US to Ireland
>Ireland wonders why their economy grew
corporate inversions
>>80780360
If Patrick Star was a human, I'd imagine he'd look like this.
>>80786201
> and the gov has proved to be failures at building them.
LOL! therefor it's better to just give people the ones we happen to own, no matter how inappropriate they are? Even if we could build 3 houses for people with the money we'd get selling one NAMA house potentially?
Building houses isn't that hard. You contract someone to built them for a price, and then they get built. Or you can just buy some that are currently being built, because that's a thing too you know.
>>80786187
Oh man they're going to destroy the Irish fishing industry now that the UK is out. Good luck lads.
>>80786316
Thank you. Bit of a debate further up itt but Dublin is the only city with a feeling of "something's going on here". And since all our cities except maybe Galway are ugly, that's the most important thing in what makes it the best city here
>>80786469
That never happened.
Thanks Obama...
>>80786656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhY9Zxv1-oo
>>80786595
>ilding houses isn't that hard. You contract someone to built them for a price, and then they get built.
So... we can build them or use the ones we have?
And not ringing any bells on why using what we have is better than making new ones?
Doesn't help much for my unemployed ass
All I have is a shitty leaving cert and I'm trying to get some kind of construction job or an apprenticeship but no one wants a dumbass like me
Might just kill myself soon to be honest
We in Ireland must have the most boring political landscape in Europe. Everything here is centrist as fuck.
>>80775684
Government is the biggest cancer to economic growth.
Fun fact: The US government has 4 million employees. The US government spends 6 trillion USD in a single year. This is 2/3 of the entire Chinese economy in which 1.4 billion people live. Imagine what could be done with this gigantic sum of money if it wasn't stolen by greedy, inefficient bureaucrats.
>>80786940
>And not ringing any bells on why using what we have is better than making new ones?
I explained why building or buying new ones would obviously be better than using the random ones we have. You're lefty brain is struggling to follow basic math and finance however.
We can get more, better houses for more people and less money if we build new ones instead of trying to use the completely random properties we happen to own to house people.
>>80787242
at this point centrism is interesting.
>>80787337
Have you forgotten that we need houses now, not in 3 years?
>>80787131
If you kill yourself, you win, Irebro.
Even a shitty job is better than that option, you never know what'll come around next.
>>80787242
That's what's great though. It's a consequence of not having first past the post voting systems like the brits and yanks have.
>>80787449
We can buy houses now. Or temporarily house people in NAMA properties while we build potentially.
>>80787450
Nah fuck that
I live in Dublin and I hate being around all of these horrible people
I want a quiet country life, I'd take a shitty job and live in a bungalow but I don't see myself ever getting out of Dublin alive
Bullshit. The Irish rigged the GDP count.
Its effective rate is 0.055, that is already staggering for a Western country, but nowhere near 0.26.
>>80787131
no amount of economic strength is going to help you for being a dumbass.
Work hard and make something of yourself. If you fail then you can always kill yourself. Just work hard though and don't be a faggot like most people and you'll land something. If you're really retarded you can always weasel into a public sector job and be set for life.
>>80784018
Every foreigner (European/Latino) I've ever made friends with has asked me why they're so ugly.
>>80787905
delicious salty british tears
>>80787679
Do you have a uni degree? Get a teaching job over here, get away for a bit. Or maybe Korea, some people call them the Irish of Asia.
>>80785428
ive been to london recently and it is a concrete nightmare like 1984 or equilibrium
>>80788907
Hello Softether VPN
>>80788907
If I had what it took to even have a chance of getting into college and getting a degree I wouldn't be here right now
>>80787552
You seem to have this scenario where building new houses is cheaper than keeping nama.
You really underestimate how bad our housing issues are, and how cheap nama property is sold.
>>80789126
I'm a non-teacher/USFJ who actually lives in Japan.
>>80789177
What about a working holiday? Just get away and see the world some.
http://www.ie.emb-japan.go.jp/itpr_en/00_000070.html
>>80775684
Reunite and give back Northern Ireland to Republic of Ireland.
With Northern Ireland's Republicans and Loyalists and the general debt and low iq of the ni population, that should set you straight back.
>>80775684
AWWW SHIT LADS, CELTIC TIGER BACK AT IT AGAIN.
Now fingers crossed, we get a troubles 2.0, and Ireland will be great again.
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>>80783665
Excellent
>>80776205
>no snakes
Don't culturally appropriate slithering, you filthy mick.
>>80790376
>Reunite and give back Northern Ireland to Republic of Ireland.
How can you give something back to a country that didn't exist until 1923?
If the Northern Irish want to join the Republic of Ireland through some form of vote of self-determination, they are welcome to do so at any point.
*crickets*
>>80775684
So what? I have a growth, and the doctor says that's a bad thing.
>>80791070
>Don't culturally appropriate slithering, you filthy mick.
Fuck you snek!
>>80782206
Actually, communists endorse capitalist accumulation because they believe this clears the way for communism.
>>80791198
Northern Ireland are retarded remainers that cost us billions. What the hell do they do with that £11 billion when they only a have a population of 1.8 million!?
This is a golden opportunity to get rid of the republican and loyalist retards. With the Brexit happening, the GFA is obsolete and with that should go their self-determination, We control them and we can give them back.
>>80791737
>With the Brexit happening, the GFA is obsolete and with that should go their self-determination, We control them and we can give them back.
Yet another example of loyalist blood paying for nothing but British betrayal.
I hope you're proud of yourself sunny.
>>80791737
>USFJ
Northern irish pretend either side wants them here.
Just let them have the role play.
>>80791944
They were nothing but tools (and a shit one at that). We are doing them a favour.
>>80791954
Their pathetic role-playing ends. It's time for them to grow up and do more than be cannon fodder in our wars. Some education will do them the world of good.
>>80783665
>53 likes in 50 minutes
Why?
>>80779760
This is true but it triggers the autists.
>>80779340
>>80779072
And thus Ireland wins.
Even with a lower tax rate, their revenues will increase since tax dodging disappears and the number of registered business increases.
Canada had this happen under PM Harpers first term. He lowered taxes, but government revenues went up.
PM Trudeau and Premier Notley both increased taxes, yet saw their revenues drop.
People who aren't screwed over don't mind paying their part of the social contract, who knew (not the lefties obviously).
>>80792641
She's going back, what's not to like?
>>80791737
>This is a golden opportunity to get rid of the republican and loyalist retards. With the Brexit happening, the GFA is obsolete and with that should go their self-determination, We control them and we can give them back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zrao17OQCE
>>80792838
>This is a golden opportunity to get rid of the republican and loyalist retards. With the Brexit happening, the GFA is obsolete and with that should go their self-determination, We control them and we can give them back.
Tiocfaidh ár lá
>>80777121
C-can we borrow him? We really have no one to vote for.
>>80792824
Just knowing that people would support her and her views makes me lose faith.
>>80793486
They like that she's leaving, IMO
>>80793759
I dont know anymore most of ireland's youth are the typical 'sjws', taught the same shit as the american kiddos. I wouldn't put it past them honestly
>>80794699
Checked, and the idea of someone saying to "check your privilege"in an Irish accent is hilarious.
>>80794699
Not really, I go to the most infamously liberal college in Ireland and I've never come across an SJW, first new friend I met was right wing as fuck, it took us ages to actually come out as right wing, taking forever, testing the water to suss out each other's politics, all my friends are pretty based.
If the Internet is anything to go by, the biggest libtard in Ireland is probably only 4% as bad as a moderate American liberal. People walk around with pro-life badges and shit in college, a guy tried to recruit me into the IRA. That went badly.
>>80794699
>most of ireland's youth are the typical 'sjws'
not true at all. I'm in college at the moment and I haven't seen any indication of SJW or Feminist activity.
In fact people, male and female alike, seem to have quite conservative opinions.
A lot of people are against abortion and even more would tell the rape-ugees to feck off if they came here.
Although we're probably just behind the times and will go the way of other countries in the future.
>>80797271
>>80798751
Then I might just be unlucky with the peers I have. Nice knowing all's not lost anyway
>>80798751
Where are you going?
>>80775684
>Brexit hits
>rich people take their moneys to ireland up until shit settles
>>80803258
(((Rich people))) wont be going anywhere until the Brexit actually gets put in motion
>>80803607
Thats not how speculation works
Didn't soros make millions out of the whole thing?
>>80776792
Yes it is you tard-ette
