Exactly. What Say You?
We need to strike down this stupid law about short barreled shotguns. They make excellent home defense weapons and they're even great for protection against dangerous animals.
Besides they're not all that great as offensive weapon because they just dont have the capacity. We're talking about something thats pretty much the opposite of an "assault" weapon. Big power, low penetration, low ammo.
And they dont work on the police anyway because it wont go through a vest. Its got even less penetration than a full length shotgun. Try to tag a cop with one when he pulls you over and its just not gonna work.
Only reason they got outlawed was because the Mafia was cutting down shotguns to use with their crimes. And that doesnt exactly stop people from making them. Its a prohibition issue almost a hundred years old.
Im not talking about tax stamps. Im talking about buy it from walmart kind of legal.
Not happening while Obama is in office. But yeah, all these stupid barrel length bans need to go away. They aren't protecting anybody, they're just an infringement on our rights.
that piece of shit cant kill a rat 10 yards away
A vest isnt going to stop anything if you aim for their face.
>wont penetrate a vest
Have you heard of blunt force trauma?
>>80760757
last time i checked when niggers rob you they are closer than 10 yards away
>>80760422
Short barrel shotguns typically maim or cause permanent non-life threatening injuries. Also the ease of carrying one increases. Shorty shotguns are pointless as they have zero shot grouping. You'd be pointing it at a burger 10 feet away and cover more of the walls in your hallway than the actual individual.
>>80760422
>Be American.
>Have so many gun restrictions the Russian militias are more free.
>Still haven't rose up against the King Nigger who is taking away yet more of their freedoms.
>>80760757
sup noguns
>>80760422
What the fuck can that thing carry? Like 3 shots?
I like my mossberg 500 the way it is senpai, keep your shit barrel.
I'm with you on the restrictions being lifted because "muh freedom and SHALL" but I'd personally never do this
>>80760422
>tfw guns like that are legal without a license in canada and in the US they'll get your dog shot by the ATF
>>80760757
>>80760969
>my only experience with shotguns is from video games
I agree. They make the perfect home defense gun for a house in the suburbs. It sucks that Miller ruled that the 2nd Amendment didn't apply to them because they did not have military value. Heller approvingly quoted that part of Miller too, so I think the only way they are becoming legal is if congress passes a law.
I agree.
>>80761421
>It sucks that Miller ruled that the 2nd Amendment didn't apply to them because they did not have military value. Heller approvingly quoted that part of Miller too
This was retarded, since all NFA items are explicitly of military value and yet there are restrictions on them. US gun laws are a fucking mess.
>not making your own Obrez
>>80761844
Noice
so why are sawed off shotguns illegal? too easy to conceal? then just treat them as handguns, and everybodys happy.
>>80761844
Still need a stamp though, just like OP's SBS.
>>80761806
Yeah kinds proves that they do IN FACT have miltiary value.
And the Dick Act (1902) specifically states any weapons the military has are legally accessible to the Militia.
(you're in the militia if you're a guy 18-45 years old, which technically means at least a quarter of the US population)
>>80761421
>tfw we could have gotten the NFA repealed if that dumb ass had changed it for the full auto part instead of the SBS part
>>80760969
What is your experience?
>>80762109
Feel good legislation from 1934
>>80760422
yes idiots will use them
we need to legalise and sell flashy weapons with no range and harmless ammo.
underpowered birdshot in a mini single shot gun with a blinking neon sign that says swag on the side. something bright that will give away a position.
>Shotguns
>in the year of the lord 2016
>>80765240
They have some purpose, just not any out in the open style combat.
>>80764623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_pXTItRtkc
Buckshot or slugs at home defense distances seem pretty legit
Or perhaps automotive defense
Just buy a poor man's judge.
They're kawaii
>>80760422
>Exactly. What Say You?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wg1pFNwTOE
I don't want a shortbarrel.
>>80767077
Sauce?
>>80760422
They're also nice for offing yourself (not recommended).
>>80760422
Absolutely.
Christ even Canada doesn't restrict short barrelled rifles and shotguns.
>>80767411
leinad 410/45lc derringer, usually around $100. Doesn't have extractors on it, so be prepared to carry a pencil to jam the shells out
Bond arms is much higher quality, but much more expensive, and they don't make a side by side.
>>80767077
More info please.
>>80767457
>chinese 20rnd star magazine
MUH COCK
I want just the mag so bad for my type 56
Last I saw, one sold on gunbroker for like $90
![424958_02_new_s_w_governor_45_410_revolv_640[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dYGy7Ld.jpg "424958_02_new_s_w_governor_45_410_revolv_640[1].jpg")
what is the big difference between having a short barrel shotgun and just having a snubnose that shoots .410?
We've got a ton of what you call "SBS" here in Canada.
Don't listen to idiots like this guy: >>80760969
They are fantastic.
>>80767811
>>80767726
>no extractors
No info please.
>>80767077
Regardless of what you're using for self defense, it should be semi-auto.
You never know how many people you'll be defending against.
>>80767881
One is manufactured originally as a pistol, the other is not
I think that is pretty much it.
>>80762109
The NFA was the first "muh feels" legislation for guns
>>80761389
You still need a license. You just need the easiest to acquire license.
The only firearms that do not require licensing in Canada are those that fall within Antique Status and airguns that aren't above a certain velocity AND muzzle energy (It needs to be both for them to qualify as firearms).
>>80760422
https://youtu.be/WP5KbWOe64g
>>80767960
Of course. I bought it more as a novelty, but if that is all I have on hand, I'm going to use it to fight my way to my 9mm
>>80760422
SBRs and SBSs shouldn't even be a thing. Totally silly.
>>80761389
I've noticed that. There's a lot of sweet guns that are legal in Canadia that aren't legal here. It actually seems that Canadia has more lax gun laws than the US, minus that capacity thing. I always point this out when people say guns cause crime.
clearly the founding fathers intended for all guns to only be able to harvest vegan meals in the wild. So we need to ban all effective weapons immediately. Turn in your fists, shins and feet to the govt immediately. Clearly incisors were not what the founding fathers intended because humans aren't supposed to eat meat. We should have govt approved dentists mandatorily take away anyone's incisors right now and at birth and when they grow them back.
>>80760422
But they are legal you just have to do the paperwork. Sure it's a pain in the ass but you can own one
>>80767726
I am erect
>>80760757
yeah man i play CoD and Gears of War the sawedoff sucks bro
>>80760969
That's not how shotguns work. I go shooting fairly often and exclusively use shotguns because our gun laws are shit and it's almost impossible to legally get a proper rifle.
>>80767960
It probably wouldn't be too bad as a truck gun on a budget
>>80768291
Wouldn't it just be cheaper to put your hand on the hot eye of the stove?
>>80768183
We're better off than certain states, but there are some aspects of our laws that are just TOO stupid and seriously need to be changed.
>>80767881
A pistol is designed to be shot with one hand
Which is why when you put a VFG on a pistol you have manufactured something to be fired with two hands
The NFA is retarded
>>80768384
GOAT truck gun coming through
>>80768384
Or high capacity assault guns if you have a dozen of them preloaded strapped to your chest
>>80768497
Which is hilarious, since every doctrine since WW2 is USE BOTH HANDS.
>2016
>Not just owning literally the super shotty from Quake 2
What are you a fud.
>>80768406
No the medical bill would be more than that $600 shot gun and the nfa processing fee.
>>80768524
Should you have a truck gun that is about half the price of your daily driver?
>>80768546
>"What if it was one guy with six guns?"
I still like that movie, sort of
>>80761844
It looks shopped
>>80768709
Mini dracos are only $500
>>80767077
I've seen this pic before, no forgetting that shitty backyard complete with weeds, cinder blocks, and a rusty barrel.
>>80760757
My Governor with a 2 inch barrel using 4 shot .410 can kill a ptarmigan. But it's not a gun that shoots shot that is short barreled.
>>80760422
Just saw off the barrel of a shotgun and never take it out of your home. It's pretty much legal. The cops won't come to your house with a warrant because you told someone, or showed them, your sawed-off shotgun and they told the police. Unless you do other shit that makes them think you'll use it. Your home is your castle. I don't know what would happen if you shoot someone with it in your house, might still be OK.
>>80768291
Im not talking about tax stamps, or did you fail to read the last line?
>>80768666
Satan, I like the way you think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttR1JJZUOsQ
>>80768812
My shitbox Ranger cost me $1000
I also lost the key so I have to start it with a screwdriver
If Jamal knows how to drive a stick I wouldn't be too broken up about losing a $150 gun along with my $1000 truck
I just have an attachment to AKs
>>80767852
>Last I saw, one sold on gunbroker for like $90
>90$ being a large huddle
Poorfag detected.
NRA are cucks. They'll be no help in repealing the NFA. Sad!
>>80768384
>On a budget
Are you implying that Tony is on a budget?
>>80760422
>We're talking about something thats pretty much the opposite of an "assault" weapon. Big power, low penetration, low ammo.
Got my attention. Great point.
>>80761844
Thing looks sick as fuck, but would it break your wrists?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bXMYhekpGhI
>>80768444
That's understandable. There's a lot of sweet guns you guys have access to that are straight up banned here. Simply because they're not made in America.
>>80768883
>weeds
That's a hosta plant you cunt
Its my baby
Also the rusty barrel has evolved to the core of a brick lined firepit, serving its final purpose with dignity
>>80769146
922r compliance is a bitch.
>>80769021
I haven't seen one for sale since, have you?
>>80760422
You gotta be retarded to saw off the barrel of your shotgun. The spread is fine as it is, no need to make it completely ineffective.
>>80769208
>That's a hosta plant you cunt
>Its my baby
>>80769107
>Obrez
MUH DICK.
I don't think NFA will be an issue during the happening
>>80769007
Might as well keep one of these in your truck
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/03/26/14-mossberg-non-nfa-scattergun/
There is a loophole where if you buy a shotgun that never had a rifle stock on it you can cut the barrel down and as long as the overall length is greater than 26" then its not considered a short barrel shotgun.
>>80769080
I never watched the Sopranos, so I don't know how he got his guns
The gun in >>80767077's post is worth about $100 and it's not an NFA item, also it's chambered in .45LC and .410
>>80767881
The guage
410 isn't that great when you compare it to a 12
>>80760422
Is this better than a normal shotgun? If not, why care. I can only see it looking cooler and being able to be more easily concealed and why would you need to do that when people are breaking into your house?
>>80767881
Sends 3 times the lead out the end of the barrel.
Which means 3 times the number of bleeding holes... or 3 times more likely to hit the target at 10 yards.
Doesnt Pattern?
You dont want it to. One reason for having an SBS is it spreads out really quick. That whole spreading thing is why people choose shotguns in the first place, sometimes you dont got time to aim.
>>80760757
Fake America?
>>80769424
>I never watched the Sopranos
Wow who let in the turbopleb?
>>80769468
Well yes you can conceal it and its harder to disarm you in close combat, what is a huge advantage.
But in general shotguns are simply outdated aside from hunting, you neither want to have short or a long shotgun in a modern battle
>>80760422
>slugs won't go through a vest
>>80769468
Easily clips to mountain bike so when you inna woods riding and grizzly comes after you can shoot him with 12ga slug
>>80769773
>clips
>>80763016
I feel the same about Full Auto too... but I dont particularly think its all that useful when you have something like...
Fostech Echo Trigger
But the SBS and SBR are just plain silly to have a law against. Its not exactly like it can stop someone from making one, or a criminal from using it to do a bunch of damage.
>>80769709
https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/1233-precision-gun-works-12-ga-armor-piercing.html
>>80768890
I know you! You're the dude from Alaska with the custom grips!
I'm the other anon from SD who also bought a Governor. Pretty sure we've had an exchange in the past. I remember seeing your posts and using them as advice before buying it. I asked you about hunting your birds and tried to figure out if using this to hunt pheasants was legal or not in my state.
>not having someone just shorten the barrel for you
You've gotta be some retarded yankee hoosier.
![1696-romanianakdracopistol762x39woodstockhandgun[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xgatZ6T.jpg "1696-romanianakdracopistol762x39woodstockhandgun[1].jpg")
>>80769486
>>80769463
and no one has figured out a loophole to design a gun that can do this?
this is classified as a pistol, why cant they do the same and make a 12 gauge "pistol" too?
>>80769990
>not for sale in FL
Well fuck you, too
>>80770225
>Shooting: Fuck wrists edition
>>80769709
>new 'xtreme penetration' handgun rounds won't go through your average vest
>>80770002
I definitely remember you but did you find out if you can hunt them or not? Nothing floors me when people say you can't hit anything with it. Our season opens again August 1st.
>>80760422
Because police can't track ballistics on an unrifled barrel.
>>80770225
That's confusing
A company should be able to manufacture at least a double barrel, single shot or a semi sauto shotgun with like a 12" barrel and no stock
>>80770296
I own an M92 PAP pistol
No wrist issues here
>>80770463
Yes, that's why they included it in the NFA in 1934
>>80769468
By being short its easier to keep handy and easier to point in close quarters. You can keep it under your pillow, and although you probably could with a larger one, whipping it out from under the pillow could be harder.
Its better than a normal shotgun for the uses im talking about here.
>>80769773
Mentions self defense against dangerous animals.
Why buy $1500 or $2000 worth of Smith And Wesson when ultimately one of the cheapest weapon technologies we've got (Shotgun) will get the job done.
And like I just explained, a 460 or 500 S&W is actually more dangerous than a concealable shotgun and its just as powerful.
Only reason its legal and the shotgun isnt is because the bullets aren't over .50 caliber in size.
Matter of fact a 460 S&W can blow through a police officer's vest like a fucking truck. Because its a smaller bullet with the same weight and force. Smaller surface area means less armor to resist it. And it'll break his ribs at the same time too. (to my knowledge nobody has used a weapon like this to kill a cop yet)
>>80769871
>>80770225
The Serbu Super shorty is a legal.. 16inch? or so shotty.
>>80770656
Sometimes I forget I'm talking with autists who don't get the joke.
>>80770225
You ever shot a 12 guage?
Gun store clerk: what are you looking for
Noguns: I want something that will fuck my wrist up
GSC: Say no more
>>80770225
>>80770580
Pistol grip short barrel shotguns are considered an Any Other Weapon (AOW) and subject to NFA restriction. The Taurus Judge uses a rifled barrel to get around that restriction.
>An AOW as defined as "any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive," other than a handgun with a rifled barrel.
>>80770658
The Super Shorty is considered an AOW and treated as an NFA item.
>>80770463
Who the fuck cares?
Half of ballistics cant be tracked anyway because alot of the firearms criminals use are either stolen or straw purchases several figures down the line. And they hardly ever recover the gun that was used because they just sell it on the street again.
Tracking ballistics is just an optional benny, an added edge, and overly hyped on shows like CSI.
Near as I can tell they could barely track fingerprints back in 1934 when the NFA law was established. Much less rifling grooves.
>>80770915
I always told people that revolvers were impossible to conceal.
>>80770966
Why not rifle the barrel of a 12ga with an 8" barrel?
What's the worst that could happen?
>>80770580
The issue has to do with Overall Length and Barrel Length rather than the pistol grip.
18.5" Barrel and I believe 26" overall.
So it can be a pistol style, just really long and front heavy.
Which kinda cunts its use as a pistol.
No. If I point a handgun at you from a reasonable distance, as an untrained weapons user there's a solid chance I'm going to miss. If I point a sawn off at you I'm going to get you one way or the other. Sure, I might do a lot less harm to you than with a properly rifled weapon but 25% of the damage 100% of the time is still better than 100% of the damage 1 time in 5.
>>80771039
I actually meant to reply to this post >>80762109
Instead I linked to the OP. Forgive me I have had a little to drink. Anyway, my point is that shooting down the legislation would be difficult and that's one of the reasons why. That's especially with all the recent pushes for more gun control.
Personally I'm in the "why the fuck would you want a shotgun that short" crowd since its internal magazine would be tiny. A lot of gun laws are beyond stupid and this is one of them.
>>80770737
Maybe you shouldn't try to make joke when you are an autist. People just won't understand
>>80760969
>>80760757
You two are faggots having never heard of slugs. I personally use PUMPKIN BALLS customized double slugs in my shotgun.
>>80771470
fite me faggot
>>80771137
Over .50 caliber diameter (12.7mm, or if you're the IMI a slight bit less than that since they wanted to screw them on their original Desert Eagle design)
12 Gauge is about 18.3mm
Even 20 Gauge is about 16.5mm
So you can see the problem.
This is why you dont hear about many sniper rifles being over .50cal in size, despite them being monsterous already.
That NFA designation of it pretty much being an explosive device (same class as a Mortar) is a higher grade restriction than just the shotgun issue.
Shotguns are allowed because they're unrifled. Rifle the barrel... you run into this wall instead.
>>80771640
>>80760422
>Make Short Barrel Shotguns Legal
This!
WTF does the gov have to do with me sawing over my shotguns? Makes for bad bird hunting shotguns..... but..
>soon they are going to require us all to a chip in our underpants, and measure the lvl of hydrogensulfid and methane leaked each day...
>so they can monitor yoMake Short Barrel Shotguns Legalur farts and tax your
>>80771830
I hate federal regulations
>>80770447
I think it is technically legal, although I have to install a permanent plug in one of my chambers, since you can only have 5 shells loaded at a time.
What type of shells do you use to hunt those ptarmigans?
>>80768964
>I don't know what would happen if you shoot someone with it in your house, might still be O
It would be 10 years in Federal penitentiary just for possession of the SBS
>>80771599
I love pumpkin balls.
Reminds me of the musket shot from the 17th and 18th centuries. Those things were practically shotguns back then. Just about the same velocity, size, weight, everything. Unfortunately for them same accuracy too.
I wish people would make more 0000 shot shells. Its like being hit with a 9x19mm straight up. Only fits about 8 in there.
>>80771137
You can technically. There are rifled shotgun barrels for using sabot slugs.
Not sure how that fits in with the current laws.
>>80767530
But it does regulate the conversion thereof. You can't make an obrez without it becoming restricted and having to be registered, and even then I believe you have to clear it with the CFO before you begin your project.
>>80771969
I use these. They had boxes on sale where I live and I got a whole bunch.
>>80772193
>1911ChamberedIn10mm.jpg
The entire fucking NFA should be repealed
>>80772414
This
Good luck with that though, its a really old law.
>>80760422
They're illegal because they fucking instantly kill people you fuckwit
![950-JDJ-ammo[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PM5p61n.jpg "950-JDJ-ammo[1].jpg")
>>80771830
>>80771961
You can get special sporting exceptions by request such as with the .950 JDJ cartridge. The ATF will NEVER EVER do the same for pistol shotties though.
>SSK received a "Sporting Use Exception" to de-regulate the rifles. Thus, in the United States, they can be purchased and owned like any other Title I rifle by an American citizen at age 18.
>>80761389
>Canada has restrictions on high cap magazines
>>80772190
Yeah im not exactly sure how that would work, but considering that the ATF has human beings working in it instead of robots, who can tend to be assholes, they're likely to rule against you.
Idea is you could get a Shotgun manufactured at the factory normally, a model with a pistol grip. Change the barrel with a rifled barrel... new barrel is 8 inches long.
Since there's no foregrip its a pistol. Since its rifled its not an AOW (or shotgun).
But still somehow I think they would leverage that "larger than .50cal" to deny it.
Funny thing is that if it was approved the Spread on that motherfucker would be Even Larger than usual... pretty much a frigging Ring.
I dunno maybe if the rifle twist was real low like 1:72 or some shit
>>80772674
I remember seeing a video on that
The rifle alone was like 45lbs or something like that
>>80772495
Some representatives are trying to get suppressors off of it under the Hearing Protection Act
>>80772414
Thats kinda what im saying.
>>80772718
So do many US states. Its a shitty restriction but we arent the only people that have it
Make em' legal, as well as repeal all import bans, tax stamps and the rest of it. I'd love to get a 14" barrel for my maverick 88, it would be nice and handy.
>>80772391
Hey I have a bunch of those same ones.
I bought my fishing/hunting combo license this year earlier to fish with - I plan on making 100% sure it's totally legal to use my Governor and if so, go out with my buddy to hunt pheasant. I think the initial reactions will be kind of funny with all the reactions of the guys he normally goes out with. Seeing some dude break out a handgun when everyone has their normal shotguns at the ready while we sweep the field.
>>80772859
Top kek
>>80771419
>read your post
>think to myself nobody is this dumb
>check flag
Have you ever even seen a gun potato? Life isn't an FPS
>>80771419
This is not correct at all.
Even short barreled shotguns spread very little at short ranges.
Shotguns do not work like they do in video games.
>>80772559
You fuckwit... a regular full length shotgun is even more capable at the job.
And can be had for as low as $200 even from a gun shop. Compare that to these "assault weapons" people keep talking about genius.
Someone else on the thread already said SBS shotguns are more likely to maim or permanently injure somebody. But if its less likely to kill id say that makes it a Less Lethal weapon. Cops kill people with fucking tazers sometimes.
Give me a break
>>80768964
More like ATF gets wind of it, breaks in your door and shoots your dog.
>>80768666
I bought a dp12 6 months ago. Best impulse buy of my life.
>>80773419
*Gets body armor for the dog
>>80773563
Now you need to get those Aquila shells for it.
I forget how the capacity goes up, but like 11 per tube I think?
>>80773409
Short shotguns are just as effective as full length shotguns.
The powder in most loads completely burns within 9" of barrel. This means a shotshell fired from a 9" barrel and a 18" barrel have the same muzzle energy.
You know the mentions of these .410 shells gets me to thinking how this could be easily solved...
Somebody needs to make a .50 caliber equivalent shotgun with 3.5" long shells.
More firepower and lead than a 410, maybe almost as much as a 20 gauge.
With a really shitty twist rate so that its still a rifle (say 1:96").
But we know how new ammo types fare. Sometimes its just not in the cards.
>>80767926
Looks like one of those norinco hawk mag fed 870 clones.
>muh dick
>>80769021
>huddle
are you seriously that fucking illiterate
Yeah Barrel length is bullshit, I'd love to do somthing like pic related but don't want to mess with the paper work just for a short Nagant
>>80772718
>Oh, no! A pin in my magazine! How will I ever remove it?
>>80774271
bubba pls no
>>80774317
Or this
>>80774271
Get an M38 or M44 carbine they're the next best thing. M44 even has a sweet fold out bayonet.
>>80774532
>worrying about nuggets
>[current year]
>>80774271
Please fuck yourself. Even if you could fuck with a Nagant, you should drink drain cleaner for considering it.
Short Barrel Shotgun are already legal here in Leaf Land, one of the few small concessions
>>80774670
I thnik he wants to go cheap, and thats why he dont wanna mess with a tax stamp because thats in the not-cheap range.
![0005[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kXI2EX8.jpg "0005[1].jpg")
>>80774271
>>80774657
remembering the pic would be heplful
>>80774709
thats a newfound favorite among rifles for me, just plain love it ("its a semi auto, and its a tack driver")
>>80774709
I've seen what looks like an 870 pump but magazine fed. Do you know what gun that is?
>>80760422
I always wanted one for my inevitable suicide. Long barrel shotguns are uncomfortable to reach the trigger
>>80773079
Not the states that matter senpai
It's a norchinko 870 clone.
>>80774952
They're not accurate. That's why the red army briefly used them as sniper rifles and then went back to using the m91/30.
>>80760422
It looks scary, and scary things should be banned.
>>80774653
There is no magazine capacity limit for manual-action firearms, that would come in handy for a semi-auto shotgun with a tube mag though.
>>80775610
Also the point of impact between a cold bore shot and subsequent shots shifts dramatically.
>>80774952
>SVT
>tack driver
SVTs are infamous for horrible vertical shot stringing. I'd love to own one but they are in no way an accurate rifle.
>>80760422
Make mk18 legal!
>barrel not 16'' = super dangerous
>>80776152
Also a great home defense gun with the right ammo.
>>80775789
In Canada?
Well that would be awesome... for a Belt Fed Sniper Rifle.
Jeez this is what I keep saying... someone needs to invent a Belt Fed, Pump Action Sniper Rifle.
The accuracy would be as good as a bolt because the action is locked.
Then you see snipers plugging away with 50cals with a 200 round belt laying off to the side... we'll just destroy the cover you're hiding behind.
#MasterRace
>>80773972
>recoil that kicks like a mule
>probably has a fucking ten foot spread at ten yards
Completely ineffective for anything other than home defense, and even that is a gamble.
>>80776527
A gamble I would take. And so would alot of other people.
Cheap, useless for about anything else...
Approved
>>80774657
Nuggets are like $240 and 54r is $.50 a round, so I do worry.
>>80768183
It's not that ours are better, it's just that they're not consistent and don't make any sense.
For example, AK platform rifles are banned entirely by name. Yet this, the Norinco Type 81 was just recently approved for import by the RCMP and the first shipment is due to arrive by the end of the year.
>>80772859
That.... might actually work.
>>80775314
forgot to reply to you specifically
thar it is
>>80775605
>>80768374
You should use .22 lr though. The ammunitions are cheap as fuck and it's not very difficult to get a .22 lr gun, even a semi-auto (at least in France).
>>80760757
This is the American Flag since 2009
F
>>80776880
semi auto is ONLY legal in .22lr (or rather .22 rimfire) in the UK
And getting a rifle isn't really that hard, you just need character references which is apparently impossible
>>80762109
sawn off double barrel shotguns were infamous in mob times so the NFA was written to ban them unless you pay 200 dollar stamp for it
>>80776450
Sailing at full mast over here, I need this in my life. I believe all .50 BMG firearms are restricted to 5 round capacity though, so this is a project for burgerland.
>>80776668
That's what I'm saying. Little babby shotguns wouldn't even be useful for a mass shooting, they hold like 2+1 rounds and would be absolutely neutered after crowds dispersed from the shooter's location. It's almost like the people who make gun laws don't actually know how guns work.
>>80770002
>>80770447
Can love bloom on the battlefield?
>>80776527
The spread would not be that much. Have you ever used a shotgun?
>>80777137
sounds like a false flag
>>80777606
Yes. I sawed my 12ga from 26" down to about 19", did a proper finishing job on the muzzle (tested w/ both slugs and birdshot), and the difference was yuge.
I'll admit I was being a little hyperbolic, but I really doubt that the shotgun in OP's pic would be reliably effective past fifteen yards.
![Mosin-Nagant_M1939_-_Finland_-_AM.006968[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vRWwn3I.jpg "Mosin-Nagant_M1939_-_Finland_-_AM.006968[1].jpg")
>>80776707
There are tens of millions of the fucking rifles floating around. The only mosins worth worrying about are Finns, hexes, carbines, and rare variants/marking.
>>80776707
Doesn't that have more to do with tariffs and supply control than it does with actual supply?
>>80760422
>Make Short Barrel Shotguns Legal
Here you go Indiana just did it.
http://fox59.com/2015/06/19/sawed-off-shotguns-legal-in-indiana-starting-july-1/
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/19/sawed-shotguns-legal-indiana-july/28999317/
http://www.guns.com/2015/02/05/indiana-senate-approves-measure-allowing-short-barreled-shotguns/
>>80776707
Thats pretty damn cheap, dunno why you're worrying about that.
Beretta M92 or Glock - $500
9x19mm Ammunition - $0.50+ each
>>80777500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUf_8jyxbiM
War.... has changed.
It's no longer about nations, or ideologies, or ethnicity.
It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries and machines.
War - and its consumption of life - has become a well-oiled machine.
War has changed.
>>80760971
>be Muhammed
>talk shit on American gun laws
>not be allowed silverware without proper identification
Wew lad
>>80778605
>http://fox59.com/2015/06/19/sawed-off-shotguns-legal-in-indiana-starting-july-1/
nope the NFA paperwork and $200 tax stamp is exactly the bullshit faggotry this entire thread is about, read the articles more carefully
Even fucking leafs are allowed to have short-barrel shotguns and rifles.
Remember to legalize suppressors while you guys are at it.
Then pic related so I can join in on the freedom.
>>80778834
The matrix was right about everything.
>>80777046
>character references
From whom ?
In France you have to get an attestation from your shooting club and an autorisation from the police. It's not that hard to get if you're a regular shooter at your club and if you know the president of your club.
Semi-auto is legal for other calibers in France, at least for the handgun calibers. I don't know for the rifle calibers though.
>>80778710
>9mm luger
>$.50 a round
if you're paying $.50/rd for 9mm than I got a bridge to sell you.
>Beretta 92, Glock
>all pistols cost $500+
>what is the hipoint c9?
because there are literally only 2 pistols on the market and all cost $500+
>>80779480
2 members of the public that have known you for more than 4 years but are not blood related
So you just need 2 friends to get a rifle, which disqualifies 70% of /pol/
>>80779308
Friendly reminder that Kojima was always right.
>>80774952
It's a cheap semiauto nugget, that's basically the only appeal. Mags are like $80, bayonets are like $250 (I paid 200 for my SVT a couple years ago).
If I lived in the states and had to pay US prices, I wouldn't get one.
>>80760422
I just want firearms to be legal here
>>80779700
Scratch that, it's 2 years for a reference, here's the complete list for a firearm cert
>>80779694
I think he's talking about hollow points.
>>80779879
This
But a pair of IKEA remove kebab niggerscum meat cleavers will do the job just as well
>>80762217
no they don't. short barreled rifles have to have a stock to require a stamp. there is a fairly large market for ar-15 "pistols" in the us because of this.
>>80776880
Not gonna lie. I love my 22lr M&P 22 compact pistol. I suppressed mine with a Liberty regulator can and it's the best plinking toy I've owned so far. I've been carrying it (unsuppressed) no problems and if one day some nog trigger me and attempt to rob me.. I'll pull out my 22 ready for the pop pop pop perfect grouping headshots
>>80780600
You're going to miss your shots and kill bystanders. If you carried a real caliber, you could just use center mass shots and have all of your shots actually fire since you wouldn't be using lolrimfire.
>>80778336
Lack of supply is the issue. Most of the rifles and spam cans being imported were coming out Ukraine. I assume you can see why there would be a few issues with that.
>>80780600
Even as a noguns Britbong I would carry at least a .380. .22lr might be great for plinking but its so low energy a thick jacket can stop it
>source, used to plink at my mates house with his dad's .22lr automatic, didn't even pierce a tin can half the time
>>80760971
In my state I can own whatever.
A full auto is pricey though.
Our state police don't enforce federal laws on SBRs, SBSs, Suppressors, etc.
Constitutional carry
No private sale laws
No mag caps
Feels pretty free to me.
AZ if anyone is wondering
>>80780579
Nope. Once the receiver is used to build a rifle, it cannot be turned into a pistol without becoming an SBR. AR pistols are allowed because a pistol is built on the lower. In the case of an obrez, you are converting a rifle into a pistol, which is prohibited without going through the Form 1 bullshit.
>>80780923
I have the 45 shield. I don't really use it much though
>>80779700
>2 members of the public that have known you for more than 4 years but are not blood related
That's kind of a stupid rule. Generally speaking, I don't see how a member of the public service is more qualified than a random guy to guarentee your behavior.
Can you own semi-auto 9mm handgun in the UK ?
>>80780579
A pistol can become a rifle but a rifle cannot become a pistol.
Just because he chopped the stock doesn't mean it was never designed to use one.
I know it's fucking retarded but there's hardly any logic behind the NFA/ATF rules.
For an Obrez you would either need an AOW or SBR stamp.
>>80781152
At least with a 380 you can get decent enough penetration with FMJ. Shooting someone with .22lr MAY kill them from infection down the line if you can't hit something critical before your gun jams but that doesn't help immediately.
>>80781293
You should. It's got 10mm tier power which is way more effective.
>>80760422
If theyre too close for a long gun a pistol is far more managable. Good luck firing buckshot using only your hands dumbass
>>80781295
Technically yes, but it would require a section 5 waiver from either the Home Secretary, the Prime Minister or Her Majesty, so they're essentially defacto banned completely. I think less than 5 are issued every year, and normally only to high profile police officers involved in drug busts and such
>>80760422
Not to mention that holds 2+1. A glock holds up to 33+1
>>80780579
>>80781421
To add, AR pistols are built from the ground up to not have a buttstock.
You can't go buy an M&P sport and put on a pistol buffer and short barrel and call it a
>>80760422
This makes total sense the kill zone of the thing is basically your own immediate area it has a large spread to make accuracy a non issue at mid range and completely non lethal at long range should be the only gun needed for home protection etc.....
>>80760757
It will put a 1 oz slug into a nigger at 10 yards though.
>>80767852
I was going to get one but I heard they are not as reliable as the original mag.
>>80780600
I'm not an expert (I own gun exclusively as a hobby/sport, no home defense, besides home defense is not necessary when you live in Paris), but a .22 lr bullet don't seem to be powerful enough to be used for self-defense.
>>80781730
>Missing last word
Pistol.
>>80760422
Forgive my LOLNOGUNZ, but aren't sawn-off shotguns outlawed, or at least frowned upon because they have no distinctive spread pattern, therefore the ballistics are untraceable.
I may be waffling shit, but i remember hearing that as a key argument against them at some point,
>>80781901
>home defense is not necessary when you live in Paris.
Really?
I thought Muslims were shooting and blowing Paris up for the last couple years.
>>80781901
It's powerful enough to penetrate quite well if the conditions are right, but it doesn't cause enough of a permanent cavity to reliably drop someone. .22lr isn't a toy, but if your life is on the line, it's better to use something more reliable. It's no good if the guy has time to stab you or empty his mag before he goes down.
>>80782057
controlled entry flats with big steel doors. We have those in Glasgow as well.
Personal defense is a much larger issue than home invasion
>>80782233
http://www.hickokfamilygenealogy.com/Lethality_of_the_22_LR.html
>>80781230
>>80781421
>>80781730
do you really think the dude in that obrez vid actually has a stamp for it
>>80781901
>>80782233
IIRC your skull can deflect .22lr if it hits at an angle
>>80781979
That makes literally no sense.
t. /k/ommando.
>>80782338
Doesn't matter if he does or doesnt.
I'm explaining the law.
>>80781979
>Australian
>Shit posting
surprise surprise
If you got sbs and the ATF finds out, they will shoot your doggos, kill your family and send you to pound you in the ass prison.
>See Ruby Ridge
>have no distinctive spread pattern, therefore the ballistics are untraceable
Not exactly rocket science to figure out someone full of pellets was killed by a shotgun
>>80774670
I see a lot of Americans are quite fond of the Nugget, and abhor modding it or bubbaing.
Care to explain?
I'm not a nogunz btw.
>>80781651
>Technically yes, but it would require a section 5 waiver from either the Home Secretary, the Prime Minister or Her Majesty, so they're essentially defacto banned completely.
Your cops don't carry semi-auto handguns ? Wtf
>>80782057
I live in a comfy private commie block, there are security guards with dogs patrolling at night. Also my door is armored. So home-defense is pointless. For self-defense in the street, you can't use gun in France (it's forbidden to carry a loaded gun) and criminals generally don't use gun here. Self-defense against terrorist is not possible with the guns allowed here since the terrorist who carried the attack last year had AKs and bullet-proof vests.
>>80781901
It is illegal in France to use a gun to defend yourself anyway, unless you own said gun with a special authorization for defense that few people get (typically only pharmacy and jewelry shop owners). If you own your guns for sporting/hunting reasons, then you'll get literally RAPED at the trial. They'll tell you you weren't supposed to use those guns for defense, and that you were supposed to store them into a safe, with the ammo locked up somewhere and all magazines empty. They might even argue that if you had the time to get such a gun in working order, then it couldn't possibly be considered self-defense as self-defense needs to be immediate. You'd most likely be accused or premeditated murder.
>home defense is not necessary when you live in Paris
You'll change your mind quickly if you ever get in a situation in which you'd need to defend yourself. You'll understand that "calling the police" is usually not an option.
>>80782766
>send you to pound you in the ass prison
If they didn't burn you alive first.
For all this talk of muh 2nd Amendment muh vote from rooftops, Americans are getting cucked by the ATF daily and nothing seems to be improving.
>>80782827
Honestly those people are just gay slavboos.
They complain about modding it because "it's a piece of history" or "its perfect how it was made"
But there's 10 of millions of Mosin Nagants.
They aren't rare at all.
But poor kids that just turned 18 and want a hun buy a Mosin because it's so cheap.
Hell it was my first gun as well.
Anyways, they get really attached to the Mosins and splerg out online about how cosmoline, stripper clips, and Russia is the greatest things ever.
>>80782996
>Your cops don't carry semi-auto handguns ?
specialists do, but on the beat no. Our cops have pepper spray. Yeah. They're well trained in public relations, but fail to keep the peace in any meaningful way
>>80769871
Kek
>>80782827
Actually, loads of Americans are fond of bubbaing it. Just those on 4chan find it abhorrent, even though they shouldn't give a fuck about what someone does with their own mass-produced, dime-a-dozen rifle.
>>80760969
>>80760757
>I am an expert marksman with hundreds of hours in shooting experience from my time in cawadooty and the pellets from those guns will completely disappear at a distance of fifteen feet
>>80783410
Cannuck, this is the 2nd time we've tried to explain the same thing to 2 different people.
I think we're soul mates or something.
>>80781152
That is an hyperbole, a thick jacket is not going to stop a .22. I'd be more concerned that rim-fire is inherently less reliable that center fire cartridges.
>>80783261
>>80783410
Thanks a lot. Have some of my 1700 fps 1oz custom slug loads
