>/pol/ will try to argue against this
Go ahead, lads. Just try it.
>>80738648
>fake words artificially invented by people
More like modern terms for made-up bullshit.
He is right.
Kill yourself faggot
>>80738757
/thread
>>80738648
Not fake words, fake genders.
>>80738648
Even if they invented the word it doesn't mean it's real
There are only two genders. The words used to describe imaginary non-male/female genders exist, but no other genders besides male and female exist.
>>80738648
Oh I get it, it saw someone make a bad argument and decided to make a comic out of it. I see it went to the Tim Buckley School of Comics.
>>80738757
First Post is Best Post.
>>80738648
I'll contribute in that they weren't words made by Nature, whomever wrote this is trolling. This is a slide thread to begin with. Shade in all fields and that kind of stuff.
But on a more serious note, this is for a made up mental state that makes absolutely no sense. Unlike homosexuality which at the very least can be seen in nature, (the only real reason we allowed homosexuals, as far as I'm aware) agender, genderfluid, polygender, these are things not detectable in nature. And I don't know about you, but putting up with special snow-flake bullshit is simply retarded. It didn't exist twenty years ago, and now it's everywhere so people get noticed. In the world where everything is on display, looking for attention, people eagerly attempt to become the next big thing. That's all.
>>80738648
Is this supposed to be satire?
>>80738648
This tranny needs to learn how to draw
>>80738648
"Real words given to us by nature" actually describe things that happen within nature and are scientifically probable, the other shit is not
>>80738648
the fucking words arent the problem!
>>80739339
>>80739417
>>80739332
But language evolves. People are always creating new words to facilitate new meanings, such as slang, for example.
So, what's wrong with the OP pic?
Let me try:
Words in every language are created to carry meaningful ideas which matter to people,
all these new 'genders' are so freaking "FLUID" , parallel and interchangeable that they become meaningless before the one word that can sum them up: Degeneracy
>>80739954
>>80739882
What's wrong with it is that trannies actually believe slapping a title on something makes it real.
>>80739882
You forgot to change your IP adress.
I would gladly tell a tranny to it's face that it is a mentally ill freak.
Then it will likely chimpout since he's mentally ill with a fucked up artificial hormone imbalance and try to attack me, then I would be forced to shoot him.
>>80740166
So titles don't defer meaning now? Since when?
Transgender people can indeed create words to describe phenomena, just as humans have been doing for centuries.
>it's an Assigned Male thread
nope
>>80740518
Yeah and so can otherkin, that doesn't make them a dragon-wolf-deer hybrid demiboy.
>>80738648
The problem is that they are made up concepts made by delusional people who are not at all sane.
>>80740623
Why? Afraid of criticism?
>>80740674
But that's not the argument. The argument is that people say these words are 'made up', when in fact all words are.
>>80740847
>But that's not the argument. The argument is that people say these words are 'made up', when in fact all words are.
QED: OP's pic is a straw man.
>>80738648
Well sure senpai
Male and Female are both scientifically proven genders for homo sapiens
The others are not
>>80738648
gender comes from the anglo word genre (look familiar?) and the Latin word genus.
It's a way to separate biological types. Do you understand now? all of those other words are not created to distinguish between biological differences, but psychological differences. One is an empirically verifiable trait, the others represent states of mind, all of which are psychotic.
>>80738648
Think of words as memes. Normal words are words that have originated and evolved naturally because they were useful and made sense. They are the regular memes.
Words like those in OP are the forced memes. They're useless nonsense but a tiny minority of the population keeps spamming them in every fucking thread because they want their stupid memes that everyone hates to catch on. Nobody likes the words, nobody outside of that tiny minority ever uses the words, but they keep pushing them in the hopes that if they just annoy people with them enough, the words will catch on.
That's the difference.
>>80738648
He's correct. Male and female are biological distinctions given to us by nature. Everything else is not needed or real.
>>80738648
Those are neologisms, which are words made up recently to describe things which didn't exist 300 years ago, like trans faggots.
>>80740996
Gender=/=Sex
Sex is your biological, gender is mental.
You perform gender.
For example, when I open a door for a woman, I am *performing* gender, indeed, because it is controlled by my own individual actions, not biology.
Just as if I were to wear Drag, I would be *performing* femininity.
>>80740847
Only technical terms are made up (plus oddballs like 'quiz'). Most words have evolved from other languages and have their roots in various prehistoric grunts.
>>80738648
I literally won't.It's THAT fucking retarded.This "artist" draws the most cringe,faggotry bullshit comics and tries to make the most unbelievably retarded points I have ever seen in my entire history of existence.Fucking Dobson makes better comics.
>>80741330
Shut the fuck up. "Gender" doesn't exists except as a grammatical category. Only sex exists. Different sexes are different. Deal with it.
>>80740964
that is if we overlook its poor choice of words.
Words can't be fake, they exist or they do not.
an artificial invention of a word would only be possible through an AI of some sort. so fakely inventing a fake word is impossible.
if it were possible, then yes it would be a straw man.
>>80738648
Tell me why do you fags seek the /pol/ approval stamp for your faggotry? Seriously why do you show up and demand people who hate you to accept you? Not gonna happen faggot you will be gassed.
>>80738648
Yes, correct, is there a conflict in this comic?
>>80741330
No you faggot, when you open a door for a woman you are performing a gender role. Gender and sex are synonyms unless you've been indoctrinated by communist psychologists.
There is no evidence that the brain has a separate sex to the rest of the body. Trans people have a delusional mental disorder that can be cured by taking anti-psychotic medication.
>>80738648
>bigender
Where's Bigend?
>>80741527
But gender is indeed performed, is it not?
That is what gender roles are, anon. Gender roles are individuals of the opposite sex acting in a socially acceptable way for their sex, correct?
How does gender not exist when some people are uncomfortable with the sex they were born as?
Surely if your argument were true then transgender people would not exist, since their mental gender would correlate with their sex.
>>80741330
Reminder that the man that pioneered this concept was a child pornographer that forced siblings to mimic sex acts with eachother and the patient he used to push his bullshit gender identity theories killed himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
>>80741639
Those are some cute mental gymnastics you've got going on but when you base your point on premises intentionally constructed to disprove your point it's what we in the philosophy world call a "wank."
>>80741532
I'm talking about the original intent and usage of the word. its clearly used to cause distinction between types. If the point is to claim that xGender and yGender words are just as real as Gender words, then yes that is true, but clearly not for the intent of the words. Using furryGender in the context of biological differences would be fallacious.
>>80741773
>that can be cured by taking anti-psychotic medication.
If that were true why would people need the surgery to feel normal?
>communist psychologists.
No, I'm a Accounting student. However,I have been listening to some of Professor Paul Fry's lectures on gender that have really cemented my beliefs. Here, check them out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bkFlJfxyF0
"Look at this delicate man of straw I have constructed. This resembles your point of view. Now see how easily I destroy it, my power is my own point of view. Your point of view is now invalid!"
They aren't even trying anymore.
>>80739882
The fact that all the things 'she' listed are mental illnesses and serve no purpose as terms that turn them into special snowflakes? Being a transfluidbisexual doesn't turn you into one, you aren't one. You're either a male or a female.
>>80738648
Next thing you are going to tell us is that a "multi system" person isn't just a person with MPD, that's part of the issue sometimes, we already have words for some of the stuff. Hell, we have a few words for most of it. "Problem" or "illness" or "disorder" the people who fit into these descriptive words just decide that they'd rather make up other words or labels with varied definitions to make themselves feel better instead of facing the words and definitions already established.
>>80742090
Because curing trans people of their mental delusions is now the same level of liberal transgression as 'praying the gay away'. No ethics panel would permit a major pharma company to test drugs on trans people. It would be tantamount to 'erasing their idenitity'.
>>80741832
i agree, there are also people who dont like growing up, we need a new law for that too
>>80742101
Explain.
>>80741850
Only if my premises could reasonably be considered not true within the same context. Are you suggesting this?
>>80741330
Gender is a collection of social rules and quirks expected to be performed by the appropriate sex, since their biological characteristics make them suited for the role.
Only complete autists, deviants and freaks would:
>a) Believe because they get emotional one time, they must be a chick
Or
>b) Believe this natural flow should be disrupted for pure Narcissistic fulfillment
>>80742090
>implying trannies don't kill themselves post surgery because even that isn't enough to solve their brain problems
>>80742646
this
>>80742538
it's saying our argument against those words is that they don't exist because they're artificial, when that isn't our argument against them at all. All words are artificial.
>>80742090
>If that were true why would people need the surgery to feel normal?
This is probably the most hilarious question I've ever heard. Telling people there is a "normal" way to feel is laughable. However you feel is the "normal" way to feel. Trying to measure one person's way of feeling against another's with all the factors involved is fucking stupid.
Do I need to point out how post-op transgenders have higher suicide rates? Do I need to point out how you can't reassign chromosomes? No, I don't think I do. Why? Because if I have to then you're not going to listen anyway.
Unless you are born a fucking hermaphrodite you have no reason to assign yourself a gender. You're either Male or you're Female.
>>80742632
What I'm suggesting is the entire argument rests upon an illusory distinction between that which is "artificial" and that which is "natural." Anything that exists is natural, even if it is artificial. Everything that happens is natural, even if it is caused by a human being's actions. The entire fucking premise is nonsensical and trying to base a counter-argument based on that premise that assumes the distinction exists is not only fucking retarded, it's pathetic.
>>80738648
>Boring, unfunny comic
>Look at signature
>Oh it's a woman
>>80741832
No, it isn't. Men and women are just different. And transfreaks are mentally ill, they can literally be cured by some types of anti-psychotics.
Dragon, fairy, leprechaun, transgender... these are all real words to describe fake things.
![nobodylookstrans-jpg[1].73817_.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dS4tZfx.jpg "nobodylookstrans-jpg[1].73817_.jpg")
>>80742951
>""""""""""woman""""""""""
that's where you're wrong anon
>>80739882
>>80741330
You can use any arbitrarily retarded and useless words or definitions if you want. There is nothing wrong with it, until you try to force those concepts onto the public or onto the school systems, and force others to waste time and resources.
>For example, when I open a door for a woman, I am *performing* gender, indeed, because it is controlled by my own individual actions, not biology.
When you open a door, this has nothing to do with your sexuality, you are literally just holding a door open. The whole purpose of this shit is to re-define a new fantasy reality, where your sex is defined by what you wear or do, in order to pander to a small amount of mentally ill people that can't live with the fact that they are male or female.
>>80742644
But that's not my argument. I'm not saying that they are a chick biologically, I am saying that they are female in gender, because they are performing actions that would be considered feminine, such as dressing up and painting their nails, etc.
> Believe this natural flow should be disrupted for pure Narcissistic fulfillment
What do you mean by this?
>>80742646
A very small minority of them do, yes, but it is due to social stigma.
>>80742899
>Do I need to point out how you can't reassign chromosomes?
But anon, that's not what I'm arguing. You're arguing sex, I'm arguing gender. Gender is a performative action and a mental state, not a biological reality. You can be a female and act like a man, like butch lesbians do.
You can be a man and act like a woman, like feminine gay men do.
>>80743443
See, again, you're arguing sex, not gender.
If gender roles are not us *performing* gender, then what are they? Please enlighten me.
Yes, I am holding a door open for a woman, which is a chivalrous move and something we do out of a need to do it.
>>80743479
>Gender is a performative action and a mental state
So is Schizophrenia but I don't see Schizos bitching and crying about how they want to get lobotomies to feel normal. Acting like a woman does not make you a woman in a man's body. Acting like a man does not make you a woman in a man's body.
You do not have a special kind of label that you need to put on yourself to describe behavior that is readily observable to everyone around you. This idea of Gender as a special title that tells people what you define yourself as is incredible narcissistic. It has nothing to do with your own behavior and everything to do with trying to make people around you change their behavior.
Co-opting an existing word, changing its meaning to suit your own delusions, and then shoving it down everyone's throats does not justify its use as such.
>>80743963
>So is Schizophrenia
False equivalency. Gender is not a point of distress except among the transgendered individual.
>Co-opting an existing word, changing its meaning to suit your own delusions, and then shoving it down everyone's throats does not justify its use as such.
>does not justify its use as such
According to whom, exactly? Who are you to decide that? That is an individual's subjective preference, not your own identity to twist to a binary black-and-white scenario with a heteronormative viewpoint.
>>80739954
Truly greatest ally.
>>80744392
>Gender is not a point of distress except among the transgendered individual.
The transgendered individual who is, in fact, mentally ill which makes them directly equivalent to a schizophrenic. They need mental help, not a surgery to mutilate them.
>According to whom, exactly? Who are you to decide that?
An English speaker you dumb asshole. Languages are determined by the people who speak them.
>That is an individual's subjective preference, not your own identity to twist to a binary black-and-white scenario with a heteronormative viewpoint.
Whereas someone else has more authority or ability to have a subjective preference than I am? Do you have any idea how much hypocritical cognitive dissonance you're shitting out in your posts right now?
If I can't make that decision then neither can anybody else. Oh and nice job dropping "heteronormative" as if it means anything other than "sane" in this context.
>>80738648
>meme does not differentiate between the signatum (the meaning) and the signans (the symbol/word)
Your little meme is the stupidest thing I've seen for quite a while. Probably the person behind it felt really smart. I feel a great amount of second-hand embarrassment.
>>80744814
> which makes them directly equivalent to a schizophrenic.
But there's two problems with that argument:
1. Transgender people will not usually harm others. Schizophrenic people are at risk of damaging others physically.
2. The fact that transgender people exist just solidifies my argument about gender being a mental thing, and therefore not a mental illness, because these people think counter-active to their sex.
>n English speaker you dumb asshole. Languages are determined by the people who speak them.
Yes, and language evolves, does it not? William Shakespeare-one guy-made up tons of words and phrases that we now use today.
>Whereas someone else has more authority or ability to have a subjective preference than I am?
It's not about that. It's about the fact that you're trying to push your own opinions onto another who feels different to the binary, and crush their identity. How is that not overriding their own mental autonomy?
> hypocritical cognitive dissonance
Hypocritical? How so?
> Oh and nice job dropping "heteronormative" as if it means anything other than "sane" in this context.
But we do live in a heteronormative society. Heterosexuals make up most of the population, thus making it the 'norm', correct?
This comic is so dumb
>>80746033
It is correct.
>>80742899
oh I see, i was using artificial as 'not created by people', i agree its futile to create a counter argument to the major premise without taking huge liberties with semantics.
>>80743767
My point isn't that you can't define it, but that the concept of gender as something you "perform" is entirely useless to the public, therefore we should not have to adapt this distinction in the public space.
I would even argue that the supporting this concept is actually harmful, cause it will feed the delusion of mentally ill people and lead to them mutilating their body permanently, instead of going the straight-forward way and treating it like the mental illness that it is.
>Creating meaningless substitutes for mentally ill
>Creating useful language, grammar and semantic structures
Totally the same thing
>>80745831
>Transgender people will not usually harm others. Schizophrenic people are at risk of damaging others physically.
Not a counter-argument, we've already established that post-op transgenders have higher suicide rates. Encouraging people to carry out a process that increases their risk for self harm is not acceptable just because they're not as likely to harm others.
>The fact that transgender people exist just solidifies my argument about gender being a mental thing
You might as well say that the fact that apotemnophiliacs exist solidifies the argument that being born with too many limbs despite being born with 2 arms and 2 legs. It's not an excuse to let them have their fucking arms or legs amputated.
>because these people think counter-active to their sex.
A hilariously sexist and retarded thing to say. How does not "think counter-active to their sex" exactly? Because they don't think or act like other men/women? Stop the fucking presses guys, some people don't act exactly like everyone else!
>Yes, and language evolves, does it not?
"Things sometimes change so let's just let them change" is not an argument in favor of transgenderism or the words they use to label themselves.
>It's about the fact that you're trying to push your own opinions
>How is that not overriding their own mental autonomy?
>Hypocritical? How so?
So trannies telling other people how to think, act, and interact with them is somehow perfectly fine, but it's not cool when I do it? That's how it's hypocritical. The fact they think they can tell me what to think and how to act without me doing the exact same thing to them is a hypocrisy.
>But we do live in a heteronormative society. Heterosexuals make up most of the population, thus making it the 'norm', correct?
We live in a society full of people who are considered sane. Sane people make up most of the population, thus making it the "norm", correct? Sanity itself is mental normality.
>>80746866
There are a lot of things that are useless to the public. Does that mean we should not wish to make a distinction on anything that doesn't directly affect the public?
>cause it will feed the delusion of mentally ill people and lead to them mutilating their body permanently,
But transgender individuals already "mutilate" their bodies permanently anyway, even without the distinction.
And I would argue that the distinction would be helpful to transgender people because it means they would know more about their condition.
>>80738648
strawman.
>>80738757
FPBP yet again.
>>80743479
>female in gender because they are performing actions that would be considered feminine
But isn't that just labeling people based on a "hetero normative" ideology? Isn't that pushing an unfair, gender biased socially constructed expectation on to a person?
>>80747268
>Not a counter-argument, we've already established that post-op transgenders have higher suicide rates
Yes? That doesn't mean they'll harm others.
>You might as well say that the fact that apotemnophiliacs exist solidifies the argument that being born with too many limbs despite being born with 2 arms and 2 legs. It's not an excuse to let them have their fucking arms or legs amputated.
You're missing the point. The point is that because transgender people exist, which by definition are people who wish they were the opposite sex, means that there is a distinction to be made between mental gender and biological sex.
>How does not "think counter-active to their sex" exactly?
In two ways.
1. You can have male homosexuals who are extremely feminine, thereby showing that they're thinking counter-active to their sex, same with butch lesbians.
2. By being transgender
>So trannies telling other people how to think, act, and interact with them is somehow perfectly fine,
No one is forcing you to call them by their pronouns, but it is the courteous thing to do.
>We live in a society full of people who are considered sane. Sane people make up most of the population, thus making it the "norm", correct?
Yeah, I suppose sanity is the norm. Your point?
>>80748448
>Yes? That doesn't mean they'll harm others.
Again, that is irrelevant. Increasing their likelihood of self harm, particularly suicide, is enough of a reason to deny them the surgery.
>You're missing the point. The point is that because transgender people exist, which by definition are people who wish they were the opposite sex, means that there is a distinction to be made between mental gender and biological sex.
No, it doesn't. All it means is that there are people out there that have a mental illness that manifests as obsessive unhappiness with their physical body. There's already a term for that, it's called Body Dysmorphic Disorder.
>You can have male homosexuals who are extremely feminine, thereby showing that they're thinking counter-active to their sex, same with butch lesbians.
So why do they have to take hormone supplements? Checkmate.
>By being transgender
Read: By being mentally ill.
>No one is forcing you to call them by their pronouns, but it is the courteous thing to do.
Tell that to the people that screech, bitch, cry, and throw tantrums if you don't.
>Yeah, I suppose sanity is the norm. Your point?
My point is that transgenders, no matter what they call themselves, should not be encouraged by people pretending as if they are not mentally ill. You don't tell the paranoid schizo that the pink elephant that tells them to cut open their wrists because there's an alien transmitter in them that they should cut open their wrists and see what happens. You also don't tell transgenders to have their genitals mutilated and take hormone supplements to find out if they really wanted to be a girl.
>>80738648
The only argument I have is that "words" should be replaced with "genders"
>>80738648
More like false psuedo-academic neologisms.
>>80748448
>Yes? That doesn't mean they'll harm others.
To rephrase:
>It's okay if they kill themselves more, as long as they don't hurt others.
The devaluation of life in this post is staggering.
>>80738648
There is a difference between 'newspeak' as Orwell called it ('words' like genderfluid, bigender, cisgender, all follow Orwell's predictions about newspeak pretty much exactly) and actual English language, the language that developed from older languages that developed from even older languages.
>>80738648
Strawman. Present a false(and weak) version of your oppositions argument, and proceed to knock it down.
No bump for you
>>80745831
Does that mean everyone should be forced to pay for transgender toilets, waste school hours to "educate" children about this crap or other retarded measurements to pander to 0.1% of the population?
>But transgender individuals already "mutilate" their bodies permanently anyway, even without the distinction.
Which is why we should not allow these operations or hormone treatments on physically healthy people. There is no concrete evidence that they actually improve their condition, in many cases it will hurt them and make them even more unhappy. The few doctors that are actually willing to execute these operations are butchers that do it for the money or crazy gender ideologues.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth
>In a five-year study of 727 post-operative transsexuals published last year, 495 people dropped out for unknown reasons. Dr Hyde said the high drop out rate could reflect high levels of dissatisfaction or even suicide among post-operative transsexuals. He called for the causes of their deaths to be tracked to provide more evidence.
Amount of so-called trans-gender people especially among children is rising in the last several years, why is that? Maybe cause society and asshole feminists or teachers keep pushing these concepts onto little children as facts, instead of raising everyone according to their sexual nature. Acting as if these feelings are normal is the exact opposite of what you should do.
>1. Transgender people will not usually harm others. Schizophrenic people are at risk of damaging others physically.
In many cases they will harm themselves, and in many European countries they will harm the general public, cause the public health system has to pay for expensive and unneeded sex changeoperations and treatments.
>>80749156
>Again, that is irrelevant. Increasing their likelihood of self harm, particularly suicide, is enough of a reason to deny them the surgery.
But only a small number of them do, and it's their choice anyway, correct?
>No, it doesn't. All it means is that there are people out there that have a mental illness that manifests as obsessive unhappiness with their physical body
They are unhappy, but that doesn't mean that they're not the other gender, anon. They are the opposite gender trapped in their sex's body.
>So why do they have to take hormone supplements? Checkmate.
Feminine gay males and butch lesbian females need to take hormone supplements? Since when? You realise I'm not talking about transgenders here, correct?
>Tell that to the people that screech, bitch, cry, and throw tantrums if you don't.
Then they're cry babies.
> You also don't tell transgenders to have their genitals mutilated and take hormone supplements to find out if they really wanted to be a girl.
But it's not like the first line of treatment is the surgery. They have to go through extensive therapy first and hormone supplements and then when they're 100% sure that this is what they want, they go through with the procedure, after the patient signs the consent form.
>>80741803
You're a bigend
>>80750238
>Does that mean everyone should be forced to pay for transgender toilets
No. Just let transgender people use whatever toilet they wish.
> waste school hours to "educate" children about this crap or other retarded measurements to pander to 0.1% of the population?
What's wrong with teaching students about this stuff?
> in many cases it will hurt them and make them even more unhappy.
No, it usually makes them happier. If it didn't, why would people keep going through with it?
>cause the public health system has to pay for expensive and unneeded sex changeoperations and treatments.
This almost never happens. They usually have to go through private healthcare. But even the ones who go through public healthcare, so what? People have a duty to help these people.
>>80749680
>The devaluation of life in this post is staggering.
Not an argument.
There are two lexical categories. Words in the “open” classes are nouns, verbs, adjectives, and adverbs. It’s called open because new words are constantly added. I can make up a word right now, and as long as it has a meaning and is in an open class, people will be able to use it.
Then there’s the “closed” class. This includes prepositions, determiners, conjunctions, and yes, pronouns. Additions to the closed classes are very rare and difficult to grasp because they are part of the core of a language. You can’t just add things to a closed class because it just won’t work. It takes time to add or change things in closed classes, just look at how long it took for the singular “they” to become acceptable (and even then, it’s not entirely integrated into the English language yet).
TL;DR:
You can't just invent new words and expect billions of people simply just use them on their everyday lives.
>>80739882
the words are real. the things they describe are not.
words like "elf" "giant" "minotaur" and "demon" exist. that does not make elves, giants minotaurs and demons real.
same with all these tumblrisms - the words "agender" "demisexual" "panromantic" and "trigender" exist. that does not make the things they describe real - they are just delusions.
>>80750238
Here is a peer-review research article that proves that the suicide rate is higher for people that undergo a sex-change:
>Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
>>80750363
>But only a small number of them do, and it's their choice anyway, correct?
You're literally justifying allowing people to commit suicide right now.
>They are unhappy, but that doesn't mean that they're not the other gender, anon. They are the opposite gender trapped in their sex's body.
No they are fucking not. You claim that sex and gender are not the same thing and then you say shit like "they are the opposite gender trapped in their sex's body" which directly equivocates the two. You're being contradictory.
>Feminine gay males and butch lesbian females need to take hormone supplements? Since when? You realise I'm not talking about transgenders here, correct?
Then who the fuck are you talking about exactly? You're lost in a sea of vague indistinguishable mutually contradictory concepts. If effeminate gays aren't also transgenders then they're not "thinking counter-active to their sex." If they were thinking counter-active to their sex then they would be transgenders since that's the meaning assigned to the term. Make up your fucking mind.
>But it's not like the first line of treatment is the surgery.
So what's your point? They're already convinced that they're whatever-in-a-whatever's body. What amount of therapy from a psychologist is going to dissuade them from this when the psychologist is already considering allowing them to get a cosmetic surgery that mutilates their genitals?
You act as if the surgery isn't actively encouraged as a form of mental health treatment by the LGBT community.
Quote from Wikipedia on Gender Troubles by Judith Butler.
This pretty much sums up what I mean.
"On Butler's hypothesis, the socially constructed aspect of gender performativity is perhaps most obvious in drag performance, which offers a rudimentary understanding of gender binaries in its emphasis on gender performance. Butler understands drag cannot be regarded as an example of subjective or singular identity, where "there is a ‘one’ who is prior to gender, a one who goes to the wardrobe of gender decides with deliberation which gender it will be today". Consequently, drag should not be considered the honest expression of its performer’s intent. Rather, Butler suggests that what is performed "can only be understood through reference to what is barred from the signifier within the domain of corporeal legibility"
>>80751609
>You're literally justifying allowing people to commit suicide right now.
Ah lad, I think you're being a bit harsh on me. I'm not a monster, like.
>You claim that sex and gender are not the same thing and then you say shit like "they are the opposite gender trapped in their sex's body" which directly equivocates the two. You're being contradictory.
Contradictory? Okay, let's break this down. I said gender and sex are *not* the same thing. Then I said "they are the opposite gender trapped in their sex's body", but this isn't a contradiction; in fact, it proves my point. You can be male in gender and sex, as you and I are (I'm presuming you're male). But since gender is something that may or may *not* align with sex, this means that they're different, correct? You can be one, but not the same one for sex.
>Then who the fuck are you talking about exactly?
Feminine gays and masculine lesbians. You don't have to be trans to be a gender other your sex. You've seen them around, right? The gay men who act like women and vice-versa?
> What amount of therapy from a psychologist is going to dissuade them from this when the psychologist is already considering allowing them to get a cosmetic surgery that mutilates their genitals?
I don't have an answer to that.
>>80752557
>But since gender is something that may or may *not* align with sex, this means that they're different, correct? You can be one, but not the same one for sex.
No, it means that your retarded definition of "gender" is a mental state that one applies to oneself based on stereotypical roles arbitrarily assigned to males or females based on normative behavior thereof.
The more I discuss this shit with people the more I stand in awe that liberals, SJWs, and feminists actually approve of this shit. Being a transgender is basically being a walking talking example of the most disgusting sexist reasoning on the planet.
>Feminine gays and masculine lesbians. You don't have to be trans to be a gender other your sex. You've seen them around, right? The gay men who act like women and vice-versa?
Further proof of what I just said. More empty words thrown around that perpetuate stereotypes based on normative behavior of the sexes. Transgenders are convinced that because they're not "normal" then they must just be X in Y's body, which is completely fucking absurd.
>I don't have an answer to that.
Good, because the answer is "all and/or none." They go into the treatment already convinced that they want to have it done. The psychological evaluation itself is nothing more than a process by which their confirmation bias is reinforced, formalized, and executed.
