Guys I fell for the atheism meme long ago and may be starting to realize it's retarded.
What do? Which church/religion/cult? Where are the honesty, family and community values best promoted?
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>>80717524
I feel ya. I fell for Atheism a while ago and I realised that atheists are just morally stunted retards whose kids are most likely to grow up with some sort of mental illness because of the fact that they never had religion when they were younger. But in terms of promotes best values, I'd say Christianity maybe Buddhism? But yeah, Christianity promotes the best values for honesty, family and community
>>80717524
So you're just going to elect to believe in whatever deity enough people on 4chan recommend? I'm not sure that's how belief works.
>>80719561
Why do you need belief in supernatural entities to practice virtue? That seems morally stunted to me.
>>80717524
Fully read the Gospel and decide then for yourself
>>80717524
Invent your own religion about human-shaped intelligent snails who come to Earth to save the planet low-vibrational astral projection. I can guarantee you'll get few hundred followers which will shower you in money.
>>80719700
How should a man be to be objectively virtuous?
>>80719700
It's better than being an atheist
>>80719561
>religion prevents mental illness
thats a new one. I went to church for a very long time and don't ever recall the Rev talking about that
>>80717524
I dont have manic depression. I have a full time job, a beautiful woman, and a life to look forward to.
All without the concept of religion getting in the way of every aspect of my life trying to micromanage everything.
>>80717524
Why do people feel the need to either have or not have a religion?
If you were raised without ever knowing religion existed, thus never needing to be an atheist, you'd probably be fine
>>80717524
>2 posts by this ID
Why do you need someone to tell you to be a good person?
>>80717524
Pentecostalism. Not even shitposting, if you fall for the Orthodox meme you'll be spending all your time with half a dozen elderly Serbian women.
>>80720050
>If you were raised without ever knowing religion existed, thus never needing to be an atheist, you'd probably be fine
[citation needed]
>>80717524
>>80719561
>atheism meme
>morally stunted
Look, if you need some imaginary sky father to tell you killing, raping and stealing is bad, and helping other people is good, that's purely your own retardation.
Makes sense though. The religious need to be guilted into being decent humans.
>>80719892
A lot of the kids who are on some sort of psychotic drugs tend to be the ones who didn't have much of a presence of religion in their life when they were younger.
>>80720154
>muh atheism
There is gnostic atheism and agnostic atheism.
Agnostic atheism has no faults. You can even subscribe to the moral teachings of Jesus or anyone else; if you believe your children will be damaged without it
>>80717524
you don't need a religion to have some kind of belief or spirituality you leaf.
just read meditations (marcus aurelius) or just check out the iron pill in general.
>>80720110
Estonia is the least religious country in the world, but somehow they get by without raping and murdering each other left and right.
>>80720155
you know what I'm about to say don't you? you don't even need a sign from God to see this coming
[citation needed]
>>80720186
>muh dead Jew on a stick
>>80720154
Is "killing, raping and stealing" objectively bad? And "helping other people" objectively good?
>>80717524
Lutheran or Presbyterian ( not those newage PC-USA )
>>80719870
The classical stoics did it. You can practice objective virtue by simply obeying the harm principle.
You're either superstitious or you're not. Belief in the supernatural has nothing to do with it.
>>80719881
But we see what can happen when you pin your morality to a third party supernatural entity. We get Islam, who worship the same god you do.
>>80720222
That's not what I've asked you to prove
>>80720256
>>80720281
I could give a shit less. It doesn't benefit me being a sadist, and treating other people nice generally guarantees that in return.
Simple fucking reciprocity m8.
>>80720281
>Is "killing, raping and stealing" objectively bad?
yes. murder is very unnatural. animals will fight, sometimes to the death, but it is very rare to just see one kill.
>And "helping other people" objectively good?
absolutely, society is very beneficial. even for animals with no religion
Agnosticism is the only true path.
>>80720342
So stoics knew the objective virtues correct?
It would be objectively immoral then not to be a stoic
>>80719561
My dad went to church every sunday and beat me everyweek when he got off his face drunk, you fucking faggot.
>>80717524
Orthodox while going to Catholic / Christian church is pretty good. Also a good amount of Christians are agnostic surprisingly and follow the faith because it sets good moral standards. One mexican guy told me he couldn't actually believe god exist without proof but if a divine being does exist he should understand why its so hard to put 100% faith in him for nothing.
>>80717524
>I need to believe in """"something""""" external to validate my own existence
>>80720497
>murder is very unnatural.
>this is what christfags actually believe
>>80720544
Probably because he was an alcoholic
>>80720386
see: every social organism beyond Africans
animals, humans don't need jeeby chreeby's jewish commandments to not murder each other, because living together in peace is generally advantageous to our survival as a species. altruism is biological, not supernatural
>ITT: people who think "objective morality" exists outside of kin-selection
>>80719561
>Christianity
worshipping a nu-male cuck
>>80720449
Is your selfish following of the Golden Rule objective morality then?
>>80720437
you made a very specific claim. you should be able to explain your own words.
>>80720591
/thread
>>80720497
What's natural and favours society is objective morality then correct?
>>80720648
>Atheism
being a nu-male cuck
>>80720630
It's almost as though christianity doesn't make people good and people make themselves good through their deeds, funny that, raised in a christian house too.
Why do Americans and anglos in general love their kike on a stick?
>When you successfully triggered all the atheists on /pol
>>80720635
Name me nations in history who haven't had national religions
>>80720655
>golden rule
>objective morality
Again, I don't care. They are irrelevant. If you treat people like shit, people will in return, treat you like shit.
Its a very simple thing. Everyone does better when we work together to achieve something instead of trying to fuck everyone else over.
>>80720753
nature isn't moral, its just how it is.
its our default setting to "be a good christian" we don't gain by killing each other. we do by living in a society.
>>80720759
Go turn the other cheek, John.
>>80720759
Nah m8, I learned about microchimerism, since then I've stopped being a cuck.
>>80720211
Naw, when people ask what I am I just say atheist. They don't have the attention span to learn what the agnostic component is.
>>80720648
>using memes to get your point across
you and the guy who replied to you should fuck off.
>>80720995
Ironically the things that do make it a valuable proposition to murder are all artificial
>>80719561
christianity is a meme religion
>>80720995
Is murder of individuals or groups not evolutionarily natural?
>>80717524
lol. go vegan.
>>80721019
Go get smacked by your dad, Dawkins
>>80720497
Lmfao you christcucks are insufferable.
When the time comes for the race war how the fuck are dipshits like you gonna survive. "Muh murder is wrong mmmkay." Give me a fucking break. When it goes down you better be ready for mass extermination or else the others are gonna beat you to it and kill you and your entire family.
This is why i have christfags and their idiotic religion. When the time comes they cant look at reality and see what needs to be done. They'd rather cling onto their centuries old religion.
>>80720946
The United States of America.
>>80721145
Fuck.
>>80720958
So the act of collaborating is objective good and conflict is the objective bad
>>80721156
>that image quality
what the fuck dude
>>80721096
Showing anger is a weakness, Jesus was a cuck and a wimp, and he thought he was better than everyone, that's gold. Compare him to Muhammad, he killed fags and fucked bitches, now that's an Alpha male.
>>80717524
be agnostic and mock both religion and atheist fags
>>80720946
Take a look at my flag.
>>80721156
>Third of the country is atheist
>every politician still only pandering to religionfags
US has the most cucked atheists in the world
>>80721206
Attention all Libertarians. Gary Johnson has SOLD OUT to Soros and company. Don't waste your vote, VOTE TRUMP 2016!
Watch short video with proof.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjrfw21HjkQ
Why subscribe to a single dogma? Open yourself to the possibility of there being something more, and research. Read the texts of each religion (save for Islam, I never found it to be redeeming). There are many truths to be found in various religions.
>>80721131
murder without purpose is unnatural. we would know murder is something wrong even without a god, thats my point. one group going after another will probably have some purpose
>>80721154
try following the whole conversation retard
>>80721257
>third of the population is atheists
[citation fucking needed]
>>80721156
The american nation has been historically Christian
The American State is secular and atheistic
>>80720753
What's so hard with treating everybody else just like you'd want them to treat you?
Would you want somebody to kill you, or harm you, or rape you, or any of those done to anyone you care for (family, friends)?
Then don't do it. Of course there's gonna be people that are not gonna behave that way, but that shouldn't affect your behaviour.
I'm not a part of any religion and I'm a good guy, I assume everyone is a good person until proven otherwise, I let elders take my seat in public transport, I don't jack off in a mall in front of people.
Just try to be a nice person, it doesn't matter what you believe in.
>>80720879
Anglos for years insisted that they are actualy the real israelites.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism
>>80717524
You know what they say about hope, it lines up in groups of three but pairs in a circle
>>80721251
Take a look at your flag
Christianity is too weak
Paganism is the only true answer, whether it are Norse gods or Roman/Greek gods doesn't matter, in the end they are all the same but with different names
>inb4 neo-paganism is degenerate hurr hutt
Yes it is, if you practice it like neo pagans (eg hugging trees while being naked or trying to have sex with a stone). Practice it like pic related
>>80717524
https://youtube.com/watch?v=f8KLLSFSuGY
Any questions?
>>80717524
Kabbalah and Saturn worship is the only way now.
>>80721391
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States
23% irreligious + all the closet atheists; I think it's fair to assume one in ten Christians don't actually believe in god.
>>80721398
Okay, Japan then. One of the least religious nations today, with some of the lowest murder rates. But you're going to say that's not good enough.
>>80721558
How about no
>>80721226
>objective
Is irrelevant.
>>80721398
Are you going to nitpick over the definition of "nation" and "state" here?
No religion is formally recognized by the government here. You can be a christcuck, a mudslime or a loo-pooer and do whatever you want so long as your behavior falls within the order of the law, which is determined (...largely) by secular ethics, reason and rationality. Letting a dead Jew dictate our behavior would put us on the level of a state like Iran, and look how that's working out for them.
>>80721313
>murder without purpose is unnatural.
What is the objective purpose for murder?
>we would know murder is something wrong even without a god, thats my point.
We would THINK murder without a god is wrong. We wouldn't necessarily know it
>one group going after another will probably have some purpose
Don't understand what you're trying to say here
i've been thinking of going to church again, just because i'm fucking sick of the vapid, degenerate and materialistic shit that goes on around me every day.
but i know that if i do start going, i'm going to be sitting there pretending to believe in something i have absolutely no inclination to believe in.
>>80717524
Why does some religious people thinks that atheists have no moral or hope?
It's not because you don't believe in anything that you have to act like a nigger or some emo freak.
>>80719700
Are you not a supernatural entity?? do you not find anything strange about your existence?
Have you ever even sat down and thought about how you could possibly be here in the first place and for what reason?
>>80721440
/thread
>>80721719
God is the only thing that had vouched for your immutable rights in front of the US government
If God is not real, anything goes
>>80717524
Al-Islam OP!
La ilah ila allah wamuhammad rasul allah!
>>80717524
Kekism or /k/ubism
Last I checked the /k/ube is in Canada so you'd better make a pilgrimage
>>80721904
>If God is not real, anything goes
No, the opposite of that is true, Fyodor. If God is real, then everything is permitted.
Look at the 9/11 attacks. If you are an instrument of the divine will, petty human morality is beyond your concern.
>>80717524
European Paganism
>>80721826
>Have you ever even sat down and thought about how you could possibly be here in the first place and for what reason?
If you can't find an answer to the reason of your existence it is only because it either doesn't exist or you haven't found it yet.
Inventing God is an easy out of the question.
I'm agnostic with catholic roots and tradition. While do believe to a certain extent that there might be a god or creator (even if that god is simply just nature itself) I don't look to religion for morals or virtue.
Common sense and the scientific method are about the only thing you need to guide yourself through life, that is making the right decisions that benefit you and those around you from a rational point of view. I think religions are outdated, spirituality isn't.
For example I don't get mad at gays marrying as looking at it rationally I can see that it has no direct impact on my personal life and heterosexuals can keep on marrying too.
Another example is the one of praying, looking at it another way it's simply a mechanism by which a person gets faith to achieve something as their actions will tend to make his prayers come true or co e to terms with a situation.
>>80721818
religion is mental illness have you tried having rational conversations with these faggots? Some guy actually told me all religions are technically true they just dont realize what god they worship. Literal retardation
>>80721762
>murder
I should have said kill, that is the phrase the bible uses. Killing serves many purposes, mainly defense or attacking with the purpose to take something. We would know not to kill without reason even without "Thou shall not kill"
>>80717524
Don't be gay
Don't use birth control
Give what you can
Confess
Get out of debt
Protect your family
Seek council
Receive God in the form of bread
>>80722034
Which one? Nordic one? Greek-roman one? Slavic?
>>80717524
Avoid Islam obviously.
Sikhism is OK but you have to grow your hair.
Hinduism is too split into dozens of different religions like Paganism.
Judaism is either really strict or a bunch of guys playing into their race. Not really worth the hassle.
Orthodoxy is probably the best one.
Catholicism is good, but the Pope is causing some problems.
You can also look at Anglicanism, even.
Also look into apologetics to understand things.
>>80721807
>i'm fucking sick of the vapid, degenerate and materialistic shit that goes on around me every day.
You are surrounded by degenerate, you can just move or make friends somewhere else.
Nobody ask you to suck on everyone's cock just because they have the same belief as you.
>>80721658
NOTE
>Bestor, Yamagata. 2011. pp. 66-67: 無宗教 mushūkyō, "no religion", in Japanese language and mindset identifies those people who do not belong to organised religion. To the Japanese, the term "religion" or "faith" means organized religions on the model of Christianity, that is a religion with specific doctrines and requirement for church membership. So, when asked "what is their religion", most of the Japanese answer that they "do not belong to any religion".
>According to NHK studies, those Japanese who identify with mushūkyō and therefore do not belong to any organised religion, actually take part in the folk ritual dimension of Shinto. Ama Toshimaru in Nihonjin wa naze mushukyo na no ka ("Why are the Japanese non-religious?") of 1996, explains that people who do not belong to organised religions but regularly pray and make offerings to ancestors and protective deities at private altars or Shinto shrines will identify themselves as mushukyo. Ama designates "natural religion" what NHK studies define as "folk religion", and other scholars have named "Nipponism" (Nipponkyō) or "common religion".
>>80722197
>Also look into apologetics
You want him to go full fedora, aren't you?
>>80722154
More like hardcore atheists.
The number of anti-theists who actually have a clue about religion or can put up a coherent argument without swearing is really small.
>>80722154
What about the internet?
>>80721717
So we'll just assume it's subjective
>>80721534
practice it like a guy who stabbed his bandmate to death? what a great role-model. lets all be like dindus.
>>80722295
We're not talking about Protestant apologetics.
Bishop Barron and so on.
>>80722199
get that cock out of your mouth before you attempt english, faguette, because that wasn't the point of my post at all
>>80722214
>but regularly pray and make offerings to ancestors and protective deities at private altars or Shinto shrines
This was the exact role of religion in the ancient world before abrahamic bullshit and polarization.
>>80721534
>convicted murderer and arsonist
What a great guy
>>80722021
9/11 was Muslims dummy.
You can also look at most serial killers who were depressed atheist that wanted to live the most in this life since there was nothing after, which is why a lot of them don't hesitate to kill themselves once captured.
>>80717524
Start your own religion, preferably with similar morals to Christianity without the cuck and anti-science views.
>>80721440
What if I refuse?
Am I objectively wrong to do so? Or should I just be let to do whatever I please
Get into philosophy, you faggot.
Existentialism is what you're looking for. Read Nietzsche and Kierkegaard
>>80722173
According to Varg they're all the same with small regional differences :)
>>80721807
We live in Satan's matrix of time and space, that's why this place is so shitty because he rules here, Jesus was sent in here by a merciful God to take on all of mans sin and through him we have a way out of here back to our father.
We are fish in Satan's pond and God used his only son Jesus as a fishing lure that we can use to escape. it's that simple Jesus was real read the bible.
>>80722435
>This was the exact role of religion in the ancient world before abrahamic bullshit and polarization.
Exactly. Religion is a great way to bring people together. but abrahamic faiths don't try to strengthen national identity, they try to replace it.
>>80717524
Go get some balls, fag
>>80722021
If the God of the US Declaration of Independence exists, then your immutable rights exist
>>80722154
There are religious people who know that you don't have to be religious to be a good person.
What I'm wondering is why, anywhere we look there are so many special snowflakes.
From all the leftard shit saying "I can be what I want so I'm better than everyone else" to the rightard shit saying "I belong in this group so I'm better than everyone else".
Look anywhere on the internet and you have:
>I'm foxpotatokin and I'm better than normal people
>I'm christian and I'm better than atheist
>I'm atheist and I'm better than religion
>I'm a cocksucking faggot and I'm better than anyone else
>>80722524
yeah man, flat earth and shit
>>80722156
What is the objective purpose for killing?
>>80719869
Holy shit, underrated post
>>80722154
>all religions are technically true they just dont realize what god they worship
You mean "perennial philosophy"? That, the concept of all religions addressing a common human need for transcendence beyond the mundane and the material isn't a new one, and if anything it's extremely reasonable, given that even "atheists" (like myself) still find a calling for passions above the bovine, animal needs that secular life concerns itself with - beauty, community, a form of "higher calling" and so on. An atheist who sees nothing beyond his sky-scrapers and Dawkins posters is no less degenerate than a nigger or an Aloha Snackbar.
>>80722742
thats enough of this shit. stop trying to lead me and make a point if you have one.
>>80717524
>What do? Which church/religion/cult? Where are the honesty, family and community values best promoted?
The ironic thing is that the Christian devotion to honesty as a virtue is exactly what makes Christian countries go atheist.
Being Christian despite knowing better feels morally wrong, that's why atheism is much higher here than with dishonest sandniggers and the like.
>>80717524
You're just a follower of the herd, now the trendy /pol/ people are your herd you never were a real atheist to begin with.
>oh look silly atheists I guess atheist are not cool anymore I'd better leave
Also it is pure autism that drives people away from Atheism, suprisingly, they can't handle that morality is subjective (which according to retard means it somehow has no more meaning and we're one step away from being terrible people) and thus need some excuse to make it objective in their mind.
>>80722435
All I was saying is that, outside of what the White West is becoming, there have been no such things as irreligious nations
>>80722495
Unless you are breaking the law, you're not doing anything wrong. If you do break the law, that's what police and the justice system are for, even if they work badly or are just corrupt (like in argentina).
About being objectively wrong, I don't know, it's not like there's one entity that's not tampered with it's own feelings and surroundings that I think could determine what's objectively wrong or right. But I do think that if you just harm people or treat people badly for no reason whatsoever, you are a dick, yes. Unluckily there's no system that can un-dick you, because that's what prision should be for, but let's not kid ourselves, it doesn't acomplish that anyway.
>>80722818
There can be no objective purpose, values, rights and morality without God
>>80722782
seems like wishful thinking i need no proof to prove it so wishful thinking it is literally children tier ideas
>>80722930
Private religion without any real hierarchy concerned mainly with worshiping ancestors is way different than organised churches with set dogma.
>>80722992
What is the morally correct law?
>>80723021
What is the objective purpose of God?
>>80722782
A desire and need for meaning doesn't mean that divine actually exists.
Just because it is your nature to be superstitious doesn't mean that a black cat is actually bad luck.
>>80723037
>wishful thinking
>literally every society has had some form of religion/spiritual system to elevate them above their material reality
And no, codemonkeys in Silicon Valley desperately giving shekels to the feet of their idol Kurzweil for techn-gnosis in hope of deification in the Singularity is no different. Spirituality is inextricable from human behvior as we understand it. That doesn't mean Islam is the way or that Christ saves, it means that there's a niche for religious behavior lodged in everyone, even yourself.
>>80723106
One of them is organised religion the other one is simply not organised
>>80723021
So? It's our fucking job to create this purpose. We have a brain, we don't need some space daddy to give us instructions to get out of the bed in the morning.
>>80721313
>murder without purpose is unnatural
you haven't been paying attention to almost the entirety of human history.
>>80722316
That's because atheists rarely want to study theology and why would they if they think it's nonsense? Just to prove some Christians wrong?
It wouldn't be an issue though if Christians spent some time explaining how he people are wrong instead of shouting you don't get it. I suspect they don't do it because they're afraid even their so called wise reasoning behind it will get debunked which breaks the illusion of depth.
>>80723021
Maybe you shouldn't just want to do things "how they are meant to be" (objectively) and try to be nice. Being nice, is nice.
>>80723143
I have no idea, my friend. But I'd say it's law that treats everyone equally. Can that be achieved? That's even harder, but maybe some day it can.
>>80723146
God IS objective purpose. From Him stems all objectivity
>>80723278
What if everyone gets equally tortured for littering?
>>80723254
There's always some purpose. One that maybe doesn't make much sense to us or seems weird but murder without purpose is rather unheard of.
>>80723246
You can't create purpose when objectively there cannot be purpose
>>80717524
>It's an atheist pretends to be a Christian pretending to be an atheist interested in Christianity episode.
The fuck /pol/.
You hate that people try to shove a personal opinion down your throat. Yet at the same time you keep repeating the same thread.
Do you really feel the need that I must convert to your Christianity ? Are you that insecure about your personal belief that you must try and convince me about it ?
I certainly don`t think you should be an atheist if you don`t like the concept.
But then let`s have a deal - drop the holier-than-thou sh*t. You are not more virtuous or morally good. The fact someone long gone might have said you are, doesn`t cut it. You simply follow an idea that has been passed on trough generations and believe that which someone has told you is real.
So let me tip my fedora in peace.
>>80717524
God I'm so sick of you fuckwits tarnishing every god damn word.
>>80723292
>god gives us purpose
>god is purpose
So what is the purpose he gives us?
>>80723236
This guy understands.
>>80723258
If they want to pretend to be smart they should. There's nothing intelligent about saying 'lol sky fairies' and 'you're a fucking cunt' after someone has said something to them, among many other irritating things.
Most religious people aren't invested enough into their faith to look at apologetics. That's not a good thing.
>>80723366
Then I think people would think twice before littering. Mind you, I'm kind of a dick when it comes to punishment. I think most punishments for breaking the law should be as severe as to make people don't want to do it.
Maybe there is too much punishment for something, but I don't think I'm qualified to say that.
>>80721050
if you don't want to put even the bare minimum of effort required to live a virtuous life you don't deserve one
>>80723560
Read this
>>80723537
They're atheists that are desperate to separate themselves from the edgy /b/ crowd and establish /pol/ as being in support of wholesome family values because they see that among atheists there is a cancer of white guilt.
And there is indeed such a cancer, but this is their post-modern solution: to sell us all on the notion that you don't have to hate Christians and you can even pretend to be one if that's your fancy.
It's all about the meme magic of subversion using the presumed influence of Christianity in European culture. And it's particularly bad over in Europe.
>>80723537
But /pol/ is a christian board! Everyone who isn't a part of the one true faith (put your church here) is a jew-muslim-gay-feminist-commie.
>>80723655
>Then I think people would think twice before littering. Mind you, I'm kind of a dick when it comes to punishment. I think most punishments for breaking the law should be as severe as to make people don't want to do it.
Maybe you shouldn't just want to do things "how they are meant to be" (objectively) and try to be nice. Being nice, is nice.
islam has brought me a lot of inner peace OP
its given me humility above all other things
good luck
>>80723942
I must be a sheit lurker. But all I see is Christianity daily. There are rarely any atheist posts.
And when there are somebody takes the moral high ground and explains his belief in a way that he is right - I am wrong, and my argumentation is pointless because I fail to grasp how he is right.
And then of course there is this thread where I am the moral-less lowlife that would eat foreskins just because I don`t fully believe the story of Christianity.
For someone from the land of the free, you people sure dislike others having different opinions.
>>80724280
>WHY CAN'T PEOPLE JUST LET ME BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE AND DO WHAT I DO WITHOUT FIRMLY CRITICIZING ME FOR ANYTHING???
>>80724280
It's the land of the free simply because we can dislike others having different opinions, bunghole.
But that's beside the point.
This is meme warfare. Christfags and Christfag sympathizers will tell you *ANYTHING* to pressure you into their cult.
>>80721649
1 in 10?! Lol honestly i would suspect its around 4 or 5 in 10.
-i grew up christian
>>80724500
It's all part of the Semitic love triangle, ironically symbolized by the star of David.
i gotta say, as an atheist, constantly hearing that im an insane nazi with no possibility of morality who is only doing this to spite my parents really pisses me off.
maybe if christians treated me better i'd see the value of their religion, but as it is, all i see is the same self righteous douchebaggery that makes islam and judaism so intolerable.
>>80724034
Yes, and having clean streets is nice, so maybe you shouldn't want to litter.
What's your point?
I can't talk about objetivity, but I think it's pretty common to know what's better and what's not in some cases. Would you want to have your streets be shit on like in India or have your nice clean streets you must have in the UK? (I assume, I've never been there).
Now, if there would be a large enough group of people who don't care about the streets as another large group of people do, maybe they shouldn't live together (in the same area/country). I'm not talking segregation, but not everyone likes the same things, I don't think everyone is meant to be with eachother.
And if there comes a time when you have to go to another country/area where people behave differently, like say you go from India to somewhere where people don't litter, you should follow the rules of the place where you are. But adjusting for what you think is better for you or the environment (like if you go from the UK to India, don't litter just because they do).
It's pretty complex, every fucking decision kind of has to be thought about. But I think it'd make it easier for people to coexist.
>>80721807
I feel the same way aussbro
I hate it too. Because i fucking hate christianity but at the same time im tired of these beta male atheist fags.
Why cant everyone just look at nature as a guide?
>>80723600
shit is still smarter than defending "lol sky faries" it is honestly pathetic that people have so much cognitive dissonance. My whole family is christian and full of it. I sill love them.
>>80724493
Isn`t that your part of life.
Making threads and threads how everyone is wrong.
And everyone who might say something against it is an autistic fedora tipper ?
I find it ironic.
I also fail to grasp what is wrong with that.
But then again, I am a fedora tipping autist that will die in hell.
...
But what if... gee golly... that can`t be true, everyone knows it`s not... but what if...
... You`re wrong ?
>>80721649
>irreligious == atheist
>implying
>>80724493
faggot you are so deluded you don't know how ironic and hypocritical that is jaja
>>80724755
But religions don't believe in it. It just shows how stupid you are if you use it.
>>80724670
And I hope nobody minds if I crash yet another Christianity thread with this again.
>arguing over belief in God
You know, sometimes it's nice to be agnostic and simply not care. These kinds of arguments go nowhere.
>I need religion for utilitarian reasons
That means that you are still atheist.
You didn't fall for atheism. You absolutely know that you can never devoutly believe in a god. No religion is going to suit you and you're being a massive faggot. This thread would've been much better if you would've just asked the best religion for moral issues and for raising a family.
>>80724731
>Yes, and having clean streets is nice, so maybe you shouldn't want to litter.
>What's your point?
It's nicer not to torture people than to have your streets cleaned
>Now, if there would be a large enough group of people who don't care about the streets as another large group of people do, maybe they shouldn't live together (in the same area/country). I'm not talking segregation, but not everyone likes the same things, I don't think everyone is meant to be with eachother.
If there was a group of people who want to torture people to get them to clean the streets, and one who doesn't want to, they should live separately I agree
>And if there comes a time when you have to go to another country/area where people behave differently, like say you go from India to somewhere where people don't litter, you should follow the rules of the place where you are.
Not if they are unjust
>It's pretty complex, every fucking decision kind of has to be thought about. But I think it'd make it easier for people to coexist.
Think about it but you'll never get anywhere with such an open mind that your brain is falling out
>>80724741
because nature is the worst dominatrix you will ever meet. nature is a cruel bitch who should never be idolized as some better way. and this is coming from an atheist.
>>80725097
Not if you believe in God
>>80717524
Only people in distress need hope.
Only psychopathic people need to be teached about values.
Guess who's mentally ill?
>>80724784
>projecting
I myself have no problem whatsoever with criticism and believing that I can be wrong
>>80725378
Nature is reality son.
You either learn to deal with it or you find yourself becoming a cuck to your own memes.
>>80724787
why does the word atheist trigger so many people?
who the fuck cares if we call ourselves non religious or agnostic or atheist? all it means is that we don't want any of your stupid bullshit.
>>80725348
I talked about adjusting, don't just argue a part of what I said.
Besides that, you do have some good points, but I told you I'm kind of a dick when it comes to making people don't break the law by making the punishment maybe a tad too harsh.
Yes, it's hard to set rules that would make the world perfect for everyone, that's why we've been here so fucking long and we still have issues.
Not all of us do, though, so maybe societies that have more problems than others should try to learn from them (like my stupid negroid argentinian society should learn a lot about respect, treating others better and have trust in eachother to make things better from the finns, for example)
>>80725686
It's not accurate.
There are people of no religion who are theists. Probably more than you realise.
Stop getting butthurt because your numbers are deflated.
>>80725686
>who the fuck cares if we call ourselves non religious or agnostic or atheist? all it means is that we don't want any of your stupid bullshit.
We obviously don't agree with you
>>80717524
Fuck off shill
Sage
>>80725348
>>80725808
Also, if rules somewhere are unjust in your eyes, then do go there.
I think one part of trying to be nice is not arguing with every person that you meat about their standards and just let people live their life as long as they don't harm others.
>>80725990
>meat
Sweet jesus.
>>80725585
"Believing I can be wrong"
Sure sunshine, you have logically adressed the issue of "someone else might be right".
Because judging by your previous arguments, my favourite being - *Closes ears and eyes* "x is not true if God", you are not willing to even bother yourself with the tiniest though of "I might be just be slightly wrong".
t. Autist.
>>80726070
Why are you so triggered?
I just said I believe in having civil and intelligent debates
>>80725837
ah, so that's the reason. so you can pretend half of the people who don't want to be associated in any way with religion are just yearning for your authority. so you can pretend you're only trampling on the rights of a small minority, rather than a whole third of the country.
>>80725990
Some things are objectively wrong and those things you are morally obligated to change
>>80726325
Not an argument.
"WAAHH I'M SO OPPRESSED AS AN ATHEIST"
Grow up.
>>80726307
Most vocal atheists can't be civil for very long.
>>80726325
That's what they do. As much as they sit here on /pol/ and regularly have interdenominational fights that are just as heated as these threads, when it comes to atheism they all just take advantage of the anonymity to gang up on people who are all unanimously united in agreement that they're superstitious retards who are governed by purely emotional reasoning.
>>80726511
I know. It's because they hate the heretic (non-atheist) as well as the sin (non-atheism)
>>80719870
By not being fucking retarded by the age of 5 to realise that killing is wrong.
>>80726432
I do think there's things like that, but I wouldn't call them objective just because it'd be too easy to discredit them by saying "you aint objective, bla bla bla".
>>80726605
>debating /pol/ christians
Don't be retarded, just mock them relentlessy
I recently saw a video by an atheist who admitted that atheism is a religion. You don't see that every day.
>>80726699
Why is it retarded to disagree that killing is wrong?
>>80726790
>atheism is a religion
Stop being retarded. Atheism is simply when one does not believe in God/gods
>>80726770
All day every day son.
I ain't got no time for that shit.
I've been tipping fedora since Dawkins was a biologist.
>>80726770
>I simply mock people who disagree with me
>>80720437
Why does atheism attract so many retarded cringelords? Godless people are a hoot and a half.
>>80727020
>le fedora maymay
You guys are simply too stupid to com with original stuff?
>>80727020
>disagree
That's a rather profound way of putting across the narrative where you attempt to convince me that a man born of a virgin rose from the dead after he took a shit on Jewish retardation and then post pictures of fat people wearing unfashionable hats when I post a picture of Penn Jillette's face photoshopped onto a garbage man.
>>80717524
Go big or go home; become a devout Roman Catholic. Don't even bother with lil Martin's silly denominations, go straight into the belly of the beast.
>>80727020
You can't even begin to fathom the depths of the atheist's intellect, boyo.
Atheists are still spiritual or technically religious with morals and a spiritual cosmos. That is what they say cosmos in that way. It is just about learning along the way and not going straight to bible.
OP your pic is not atheism, that is called nihilism, and not even real nihilism.
>>80727158
Why are religious people all such a wacos?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown
>>80727377
I'm enlightened by it
>>80727380
not believing christian god != atheism
>>80727377
>fathom the depths of the atheist's intellect
The depths of frog meme's and childish insults including but not limited to:
"Wow you're a massive faggot"
"Enjoy your imaginary man in the sky faggot"
"I am above believing childrens fairy tales"
"Kill yourself faggot"
"Mom and dad forced religion on me so now I am angry and bitter"
>>80720342
>who worship the same god you do
The god doesn't matter, it's about the good life
>>80727666
nice strawman
>>80727336
>Appeal to Ridicule
I could try to discredit you in the same way
>>80726661
Kinda sad isn't it?
>>80727666
Trips of truth.
>>80727666
Even Satan is sick of retarded atheists.
>>80727666
Provide evidence that deities exist instead of crying that you're being attacked when asked to, or implying that I simply don't take you seriously because I have AIDS because atheism is the cause of gays and Muslims.
Obviously the answer is Christianity, specifically Eastern Orthodoxy but Catholicism is good too. But don't just call yourself one and be done with it. You need to contact your local church and have them guide you through the process of converting.
>>80727762
>ridicule
But here in reality, people aren't born of virgins, and people born of virgins don't become flying zombies.
So ridicule is literally the only response you should expect.
>>80727810
Depressing
Funposting is all well and good, but you guys haven't lived until you've nunposted.
>>80727926
And if your local church is cucked?
>>80728065
Ridicule is not refutation, no matter how absurd it appears to you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/42/Appeal_to_Ridicule
>>80727762
>44 posts
You really like your Jesus, don't you?
>>80728093
Go solo. Pray and read the Bible
>>80728185
Calling out logical fallacies won't support your position. You're still back at square one.
The only thing that will is when Jesus rips a giant hole in the sky and shoots lightning bolts out of his fingertips at Obama on live television.
>>80728299
>This is how (((Liberal))) Science sees the True Christ
Not surprised 2bh
>>80717524
Be anti-Islam.
Realize Christianity and its values are important for western culture, even if you don't have faith.
The rest doesn't matter.
>>80727903
What kind of evidence is sufficient for you? I don't know many religious people who claim God can be proven using the scientific method because God doesn't reside in the physical realm (Christ being the exception).
>>80728359
>The only thing that will [convince me] is when Jesus rips a giant hole in the sky and shoots lightning bolts out of his fingertips at Obama on live television.
If only
But you do know religion is not Science right?
>>80717524
Islam, the fact that it is the only religion that allows you to marry 9 year old girls without going to jail is really worth converting too
>read the Bible
>get cucked and tricked into worshipping the dead kike on a stick
>read Dawkins
>get cucked and tricked into le materialism and le chaos meme
>read Zohar, Bhaghavad Gita, Gnostic gospels
>stop being cucked, realize the importance of critical thinking, the limits of materialism, the lack of absolute value and the ultmate meaning of reality and universe
>>80727903
>>80728529
You can't prove or disprove god becasue he is outside of our realm. You can either believe in him or not. I don't, that is why i am atheist
>>80728439
So you are a atheist?
>>80728529
Neither circumstancial nor anecdotal evidence are sufficient for me to accept a notion that is so contradictory to my own observations.
I don't see a motive for scientists to tell me that they found dinosaur bones in the dirt or that the average velocity of the surrounding galaxies in our galactic neighborhood suggest that at some point there was an event causing the observable universe to expand, and then going, "I dunno".
But you. You have a clear and obvious motive for everything you say. You make it known every time you bring an argument in support of it to the table.
>>80728865
>>80727903
>>80728529
You can't prove or disprove God because He is outside of our scientific realm. You can either believe in Him or not. I do, that is why I am a theist
>>80728774
>marry 9 year old girls
Sure, but only if you have a micro penis.
>>80729063
Exactly, that is why debate on this is meaningless. But it does not stop me from mocking you faggots for believing fairy tales
>>80717524
Orthodoxy. It has its rot, but it's not the kind of religion that cannot be cleansed of corruption.
>>80729347
It wouldn't matter anyway. See >>80728185
>tfw silent Atheist
It's actually rather good.
I really don't care if someone is religious or not. I have nothing against either and just let people to their own wares.
>>80728093
You might have to go to a more rural area. I was recently in your country and visited St. Birgitta's Father's church in Rimbo and her prayer cave nearby, both beautiful places. Sweden has a rich Christian history, it's a shame y'all are so eager to give it up
>>80729347
>fairy tales
He beliefs a frog turns in to a prince
>>80729063
>You can't prove or disprove God because He is outside of our scientific realm.
And yet theists treat him like he is, by calling everything he says 'true'.
When are you Abrahamists going to realize that you need both the rational and the irrational. Science is the rational side of humanity, religion/mythology the irrational side. As far as I'm concerned, Abrahamists are as responsible for materialism/scientism/whatever the fuck you want to call it. Abrahamists declared God perfectly rational and perfectly just, and the new atheists believed you
Most people who rigidly follow ideologies are retarded. Look at all the Christian con artists with megachurches and books.
>>80729428
Like i said, we can't refute God or prove him. So i mock you guys for believing in desert folk tales simply because you were taught to believe in them. I automaticaly assume you guys are stupid.
>>80729755
>And yet theists treat him like he is, by calling everything he says 'true'.
It's called having faith. The same way some people have faith in absolute truth, absolute beauty, absolute justice and yes, exactly like those who believe in absolute equality
>>80719561
But why do you value honesty, family, community, etc. in the first place? If it's because of Christianity, then why follow Christianity? If you inherently value these things, then why do you even need a religion in the first place? Your argument is basically 'I get morality from religion, which is get from morality, which I get from religion, which I get from morality...'.
>>80728093
You might have to go to a more rural area. I was recently in your country and visited St. Birgitta's Father's church in Rimbo and her prayer cave nearby, both beautiful places. Sweden has a rich Christian history, it's a shame y'all are so eager to give it up
>>80729915
>I automatically assume you guys are stupid.
I know it's just an assumption
