Why don't millennials want children?
>>80625415
https://youtu.be/oaNRhtip6S4
Basically this.
>>80625415
But I do
I just don't want to work which means I can't support one because I'd rather be dead because everything is fucked and nothing even matters.
Remember to sage slide threads.
>>80625415
>>80625415
because they are children
I'm torn between having a kid and its fun, having a kid and killing it because it would be like me when I was a kid and I was an awful kid, and not having kids because I fucking hate kids.
>>80625415
No money.
Despite what old people usually say, the world seens to get degraded economically speaking.
Also, most millenials are studying. It's not rational having children right now if you're male
>>80626144
Theres also a hedonist culture that their parents built and the new generations folloe
>>80625415
What kind of monster do you think I am to bring another person into this shitfest of a world?
Because a lot of women are trash and would make shitty mothers. And homeschooling is almost a necessity (and a near impossibility) if you don't want 1984 level brainwashed children.
Also sage.
Because they are told by the (((media))) that their life is over if they have kids.
>>80625415
Blaming millenials ignores the fact that we're only a product of the culture that YOU guys provided us with.
>>80626815
Yeah, why the boomers did nothing with the sexual revolution?
>1. no money
>2. can't find a decent gf
>3. most women are worthless and immature trash anyway
>4. those who are decent already have kids
i guess i will stay single for the rest of my life. completely fine with that.
>>80626815
>>80627037
we dindu nuffin
>world is going to shit
>I should want to pull a person unwillingly into this shithole known as earth
nty
>>80625415
Because there's already too many humans on this damn planet.
>>80625415
Nobody to have a child with desu.
Children are fucking annoying.
I work 50-60 hours a week and would rather do anything else then raise a child. If you could pop 'em out at age 12 that would be great.
I want children, it's just I haven't found the right woman nor am I financially secure enough to justify having children.
Also I'm only 23. I shouldn't be having kids yet.
>>80625415
I, a spic, married a Mormon white woman (I still remain religion free) and had two children with her. Also, she runs a small medical company which allows me to be the stay at home parent.
Children are amazing. Watching my little ones grow up is a gift.
>>80626383
Homeschooling is fine, we plan to do it for our children when they're old enough.
unless you're black or on welfare, society and economy discourage you from having children.
Le epin meme.
>>80625415
because kids are money pits
>>80625415
>why can't millenials have children
ftfy
:^)
If the majority of guys thinks like you and denies to have children, there has to be an increasing amout of childless women. Do you personally know any? Probably also any who are utterly frustrated because of that development? I only know one...
>>80625415
Cant afford them
The Jew has won
>>80625415
Society pressures you to obtain and hold on to assists and cash. Can't do that if kids take it away.
>>80625415
I do, and badly. I think I'd make a pretty killer father and the idea of raising kids/supporting a wife and family is extremely desirable (and masculine).
The problem is most millennial women I meet or date have a pretty strong aversion to children. I just can't get into good Christian or conservative girls, so it's my own damn fault. But every girl I meet is just very much against the idea of having children on principle or really scared of it.
>>80631413
>>80625415
Not too write a blog post here, but just some things I've heard millennial women say about having children (and who has said it):
>I think I want kids, but that's just what everybody is telling me to do so I don't know if I really want it (current gf, 26yo)
>I'd be a horrible mother because I'm selfish (28yo female friend, currently jobless and uneducated)
>It's my dream to be a housewife and mother, but I'm scared it will hurt my career and make me into a weak woman -- I think I'll just be a spinster and live off my savings (most recent ex, 29yo professional)
>Who wants kids when you can have dogs? And travel the world? Why settle? (female friend, grad student, 30yo)
>Men are garbage and they don't want anything other than pussy, so I'll just take all the dick I can get and not get attached (female friend, 23yo, recently dumped by her fiancee)
>The only thing I want out of life is a husband and kids, and I'm a failure for not having them already. Oh, what's that? No, this isn't the right time. My clock's ticking, but I'm just not ready (female friend, professional, 30yo)
>I'm sorry, but I have good genes and I'm educated. I'm not popping out children for just any man who buys me dinner. I'm trophy wife material and he better be rich and gorgeous before I get involved. (female friend, 30yo, professional)
>My bf is amazing and he takes such good care of me, but we're not getting married or having kids. There's no point. Why spoil our fun? Yes, he keeps asking me to marry him, but I like not having to spend my own money and traveling with him. And our parents can fuck off for asking when the grandkids are coming. (my sister, 28yo, newly working, dating and living with an older man for 2 years)
>>80631506
>>80631413
>What? Oh, I just don't see a future with me and kids. I'm still a kid myself and my parents would just ignore me and take the grandkids all day. (ex-gf, 28yo, professional)
>Children are against my feminist philosophy. I need to fight for the rights of women's bodies before I can even consider letting a man use me that way. (former student, 22yo)
>I'll have children when Republicans stop telling me and other women what to do with my uterus (former student, 19yo)
>I'm just not ready (female worker, 27yo, who after saying this proceeded to get knocked up, have the abortion, and then get knocked up again by a much wealthier guy who she ended up marrying [and keeping the child])
>I like to poke holes in condoms to see if I can get myself pregnant. Then, once it happens, I'm going to decide if I like the guy enough to marry him. More likely I'll just get the abortion and charge him for it, though. (friend's gf, 24yo)
>I am so jealous of my friends who have kids. Sigh. I'm really jealous... Oh, I couldn't do it myself. I'm just not ready yet. And I don't think I'd be very good at it. I haven't met the right guy. And men are intimidated by me. Yeah, that's it. I scare all the good men away. (female friend, 33yo, professional, owns her own house, several cats, a dog, is in and out of relationships...)
>Fuck children. I thought I'd have kids by now. I really thought I would and that I wanted them, but then I realized how awful they are. And no, it doesn't matter than my husband of 5 years left me for a younger girl. Why would you bring that up? Fuck you. (female coworker, professional, 35yo)
>Children are a blessing. I just haven't met the right guy. And too bad I'm just not in a position to have them yet. Most men suck anyway and don't want to commit. (friend, 31yo, travels the world and is never in one place for more than a month)
>I want kids so badly, just not with my husband. Is that wrong? (female friend, 25yo)
>>80631573
Should add that there is a good number of women I've met in their 20's and 30's who just straight up can't get into having kids out of sexual shit. There is a surprisingly high number of women who, for whatever reason, have been on birth control since their teens and haven't experienced a genuine period or what sex off the pill feels like. Also a lot of weird uterine, ovarian, or other reproductive issues, auto-immune disorders, etc. And I had one friend who experienced 3 miscarriages in a row, then had two premature births. Shit is scary as hell and half the time everything doesn't even work right for women, regardless of the chemicals they pump themselves with these days.
I also know a handful of girls who consider themselves poly, bi, gay, etc. and won't have kids not by choice by pretty much "statistics" -- when the hell are they going to actually have sex with a single man, no less take actions that would lead to pregnancy (sperm bank, no condom, etc.)?
>>80625415
As humanity advances, mating rituals become more complicated. Women won't put out because "muh feelings"
This is the great filter that ends us.
>>80631506
I'll add one
>I don't want kids and I don't think anybody should reproduce. I'm not saying people don't have a right to reproduce, but if I could choose nobody would. (female engineer, friend, 23)
>>80631506
>>80631573
>>80631974
More evidence to the fact that women don't really know what they want. They can't understand why they're unhappy, and they'll be damned if they do anything about it.
>>80632850
Wtf is wrong with that woman? Nobody would want to reproduce given the choice? Jesus...
>>80633196
100% Agreed. Not to say I hold a candle for these women still, but at least two of my exes would be a lot happier today if they just bit the bullet and stuck with a relationship (not necessarily one with me). They just so quickly threw them away when shit got uncomfortable.
My ex who I quoted in there toward the beginning legitimately dumped me because she realized that dating me meant, in her mind, "no more traveling," "having to worry about another adult," and "inevitable marriage and kids."
Which is funny, because as a couple we traveled all the time, we took very good care of each other, and both of us knew by the 1 year mark together that our ideal end game WAS marriage with kids.
>>80625415
My parents raised me to have extremely high anxiety, so if I had a kid I would basically never experience anything but worrying, ever again.
Add to that, having children is generally morally wrong, especially if you have any kind of health issues or bad predispositions.
Also simply feel like I don't want them.
But I do, many infact.
It is my goal to have a big family. I just hope to God I can keep it together in the coming turbulent times.
I know a few others my age that are like me, but it's not as many that might have been decades ago. It's sad that I have to be part of the generation that is at the forefront of the degradation of tradition.
But I guess we have to just keep drudging on, in the hope that it may change.
>tfw I will never have 5 or 6 children with my Catholic wife because too poor
well our niggers succeed, that must be possible
>>80633556
No, she's saying if she was some sort of fascist she would prevent reproduction
She may have been joking
>>80625415
Get me a career that starts me off at 80k minimum with a house around 100k thats not less than 4 bedrooms and make sure my pensions doesent "lawfully" get manipulated and make sure my kids college will be free. also allow me to collect rainwater and grow GMO free vegetables in my backyard. Also make sure i dont get accidently shot or even killed by a cop.
They do want children, black mongrels growing on their raped white mothers.
>>80625415
That drooling baby is destined for greatness.
>>80625415
I'd feel very wrong about raising a white male child into a world that hates his guts with everything they have. I wouldn't want to raise a child into the fucking brewing race war around here.
>>80634820
Move to Zion
>>80625415
I would love to have a couple of kids, but I don't wanna leave them with the genes of my cuck grandpa and single mom piece of shit.
>>80634126
You can do this if you reject middle class standards as to what you 'need'
>>80634820
Then the whites have already lost. Is non-existence really better than an opportunity to fight?
>>80635031
find a woman ready to accept this
there is hope though
>>80625415
cant has children
>>80633556
>>80632850
>>80634135
Truth is, women have a natural disposition to want children or to be around them. They are jealous of other people having kids or having natural family structures. Because they were raised with the fear of having kids, they can't overcome that and resent those that do. It's why I firmly believe they fight so adamantly for abortion 'rights'. They don't care about 'rights' they just want other people to be in their position and are jealous of those who aren't.
Feminism, especially 3rd wave feminism is a psyop ultimately made for population control. It all starts in grade school when they show kids a woman giving birth, VD fear mongering etc. This imprints fear on them from the very beginning.
>>80625415
< Be late 20s male
< Want kids, have girlfriend
In my case it's getting my engineering career going enough to be able to actually support them. Kids are expensive, even more so to 'do things right' and have a house, stable relationship, safe neighborhood, etc.
Unless I can give them an equal or better chance to what I had at life, I don't think it's worth it.
>>80632850
There's a significant part of my age group which is completely content without kids. Look at how many people post pictures of their cat / dog / iguana / whatever on facebook, and treat them as surrogate offspring.
>>80634083
Unless they were beating you every day, your parents are not the cause of your Anxiety.
>>80634363
Uninstall 4chan, please.
>>80633869
I know a few girls I dated like this. They're always looking for something better; AKA fuck you level rich single guy they can jet set around the world with.
You have to remember discomfort is the female anathema, Many girls will throw away entire relationships because of a single event that they couldn't process / handle and didn't have a guy walking them through it, even if it was ridiculously minor.
>>80626815
Absence of culture, I would say.
I have one child, planning our second for next year.
Because boomers controlled by ((()))) started the sexual revolution.
>>80633869
I place the blame entirely on weak men. Because women don't know what they want, they look to men for fulfillment. In your case it was traveling and fun. When it starting looking more like "inevitable marriage and kids" she left. It's good that she did, clearly you're better off without her.
It's easy for a woman to find a new dick, all she has to do is walk outside. But you listened and gave a fuck, which is much harder to find. These hos don't realize that until it's too late.
maybe when Trump is being re-elected in 2024 and I see that America has been returned to it's proper greatness then my young 30s self will be looking for a suitable mate
>>80633869
>>80635807
I'm not implying you're weak, just that weak men before you let her run wild.
I wish I could have children. It bothers me everyday.
- You need a lot of money to support a family, and most millennials right now either get paid nothing doing menial work like retail, and/or they're $50,000+ in debt with a (STEM) college degree and no one will hire them
- Women are ruined, very difficult to obtain one that isn't a stupid slut not suitable for marrying and having children with
- Very high risk for men. Can easily have your children stolen from you and be forced to pay some cunt money for 18+ years.
- Many men are satisfied enough with promiscuously having sex, or with porn and sex toys, to not deal with the bullshit listed above.
I have a semi-joking theory that the modern world reproductively favors the mildly autistic.
>generally averse to clubbing, binge drinking, that sort of thing
>not overly status conscious, so less incentive to put off having kids because basic prudence
>tend to spend their time at home left to their own devices and don't engage much in "adults only" pursuits, so kids don't preclude hobbies as much
>conversely, are more into things that are "kid friendly," would derive more enjoyment from the kinds of things you do when raising kids, from cartoons to going through a copy of Backyard Ballistics
The most fecund will continue to be the strongly religious (along with the underclass too stupid to use condoms), but within ordinary middle-class bounds I can see the ones who have the most children being mild manchildren themselves.
>>80625648
good taste, my man
>>80625415
>>80625415
>1 post by this ID
>>80625415
>Why don't millennials want children?
because WEENIES!
mostly, it has to do with the desire to be "fun and carefree" longer than in previous generations and the fact that with relationships being less feasible and downright risky on the guy's part, children are too much of a commitment
>>80635807
>>80635961
I understood the first time, but thanks for clarifying. It's funny you use the phrase "weak men" because I find that I often come off as very charming and attractive to women, despite being the complete opposite of a Chad.
>bald
>overweight
>average dick
That said, I have a career, I make decent money, and I'm fiercely independent. I still have my immature streaks (I still play video games and watch movies, for example), but I'm usually the first guy they meet who:
>pays on the first date
>doesn't force himself onto them
>knows what the hell he's doing in bed
>can cook, clean, fix a car, etc.
It's surprising how powerful that shit really is. I mean, in a lineup of dudes, most women would NOT pick me -- and a lot of girls make that joke -- but once they get to know me it's actually pretty easy to make a working relationship and for me to be in control without it being too much for them.
But, like you said, some women just feel that temptation. For that gf it was feeling trapped, for others it's "I can do better" or "you're not attractive enough." Who knows. But what you say is absolutely correct
>>80625415
because someone else is devouring them
>>80625415
>I survive on my own fine but can't live in anything bigger than a single room in a shared house, rent is too expensive, can't get a mortgage
>I don't trust the man I'm currently with to stick around
>I refuse to become a single mother
>I would need to work nearly round the clock to be able to afford child care services here, and then what is even the point of having one if all you do is pay strangers to take care of it
>>80637222
I should add the caveat that when I said I do all those things, it's really to say that I'm one of the few "college educated" guys they meet who can do that. A lot of my peers who I went to school with or meet through work are numales or betas, and many of them just pay labor or ask their dads for help with stuff they could easily do themselves.
I've always contended that blue collar or redneck tier guys breed like rabbits because they are far more masculine than a guy that went to college ever will be. At the end of the day, yes, most women are sluts who want Chads with money to travel the world with, but they settle for a guy who can put a roof over their head and keep them from doing "dirty work." They'll have a kid for that guy.
Because the world is worse now than in their childhood and it's only going more downhill.
Civilization is in decline and only warfare, famine and death awaits. Dreams of reaching the stars will be buried in the rubble.
Would you raise a child only to suffer?
>>80636558
>Many men are satisfied enough with promiscuously having sex, or with porn and sex toys, to not deal with the bullshit listed above
I'm not really convinced, sex leads to babies in a strict biological sense but in practice the two are decoupled outside of the low IQ set and the occasional broken condom. Except for those cases, the need to nut it is at best a marginal concern in family planning, and considering the abortion-crime link, it's better off that way.
>>80625415
A whole host of reasons.
>unemployed
>addicted to the internet
>dating isn't worth the trouble
I'd feel horrible were I to bring a kid into this world. I'll pass.
>>80637752
Let me rephrase.
"Many of the men who do want a wife and kids are satisfied enough with porn, sex toys, and digital entertainment, to not go through with the extreme bullshit and risk required to start and maintain a family in today's western society".
>>80637926
you can work your way out anon
>>80635059
Fighting via breeding is a losing cause in the first place. Your never going to outbreed niggers. Instead I'm fighting to remove the bullshit systems that support these unending non-white families over white families, fighting to end this systemic hatred of whites. Trying to raise a white child to fight for their race in this climate would just end up with my kids being taken from me by the government. Gotta stop those "radicals", right?
I have to attack the source of the problem, not throw more meat into the grinder. Especially with movements like feminism doing an excellent job of turning schools into indoctrination centers for white children to be taught to hate themselves.
>>80625415
Easy
alpha people are busy with clubbing and being with different women
Only betas can find somone who to have children with
only people who today who starts a family are liberal cucks
and the rest are single moms
>>80638201
I'm 23, that's the age of no return, sadly. The future is looking rather bleak.
>>80626383
How rapidly have things changed, and is it a bigger issue in certain grade levels? I went to elementary school in the early 2000's, and while history was fixated on civil rights and the holocaust, it wasn't that much more so than the general culture. Hell, I had a middle school history teacher who went out of her way to hammer in that the civil war wasn't about slavery and that most slaves went to the West Indies.
I have a personal theory that elementary school isn't actually all that effective propaganda-wise, because kids have a general adversarial relationship with teachers and classroom doctrine. Anything that does seem to be the product of schools in that regard is really the product of the broader culture.
>>80627885
Same
Where to start
>witnessed my mom die when I was 23
>watched my family collapse From within from illness, divorce, dementia and other shit
>watching my cousin be used as a bargaining chip for my uncles broken marriage
Yeah I don't want any of that to happen to a kid, and I get that Shit like this is a part of life, but I'd rather not subject someone to that if I can or prevent it personally.
I prefer living alone, having your own space to do what you want in is fucking great and I don't want some child ruining that
>>80625415
western women are generally trash. toxic culture. In a few generations it will work itself out I think. Millennials are just unlucky in that respect.
>>80638492
oh come on anon
>>80625415
Because they are children.
>kids getting kidnapped/raped/murdered is rampant
>the shit kids are fed in school is too overwhelming to just allow
>they're financially draining
>people who have kids often become so depressed they have to completely change their mind set to appreciate mundane shit so they don't kill themselves
>too many kids in orphanages need the love and care first
>kids are absolutely retarded for the first twenty years of life and half of the time they never grow out of it
Having a kid would drive me into an asylum.
>>80625415
We cant afford them because we work to get our money
>>80625415
How am I supposed to raise a kid knowing what I know about our "leaders" and their agenda? How could somebody bring a child into this?
>>80638134
That makes more sense, having kids has hedonic tradeoffs where a sex vs. babies tradeoff is much weaker. I'd say digital entertainment is probably the least of our concerns, though; a new parent can still very much afford internet and a Netflix subscription, but clubbing and extensive traveling are off the table.
Supposedly millennials have been more conservative in terms of conventional vices than past generations (less promiscuous, less drinking and drug use), so I'm inclined to point the finger at economic and regulatory factors keeping the young out of work (or, in layman's terms, FUCKING BOOMERS DIE OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!).
>>80639323
Come on what? I have no path aside from working a dead end job and dying. That's what I meant by 'the future is looking rather bleak.'
>>80625648
>this is hot in america
>>80625415
I studied demography and women's education is a big factor. The more a woman is educated, the less children she wants.
>>80639933
Supposedly the biggest predictive factor is female literacy; women who can't read just pump babies out. An army of retard mothers producing a dozen kids each probably isn't the best demographic course, though.
>>80639933
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/hua_hsu/cohenfertility4.png
But no shit.
I've been fucking this ginger girl for a whole year and avoiding a relationship and politelly declining every time she proposed it for a year (2014 - 2015)
Then I finally decided to give her a shoot. I felt for the pills meme. She lied to me about being on the pill and got pregnant because kek wills it or some shit.
In 4 weeks I'm gonna be a father and I want to kill myself.
>>80640251
Yeah, if you want to have more baby, you should ban women from universities. Because they wouldn't want any career either. More jobs for men, more babies for society.
>>80639752
Goddammit I'm not saying these men put off having kids because they want to indulge in hedonistic pleasures, I'm saying that they don't have kids because of the social/financial issues of today's society, and the hedonistic pleasures satisfy them enough to the point where they don't try and overcome the social/financial barriers and requirements of having a wife and kids.
>>80640258
>college fertility has been going up
>graduate/professional women now have twice as many kids as they did in 1995
Maybe we aren't completely doomed after all.
>>80625415
because after paying taxes and student loans there's not enough money to raise children
but it's ok with those taxes immigrants can get welfare to keep having 6+ children, so the world will be populated by people who do not work and reproduce like rabbits
>>80625415
Too expensive.
>>80641388
>twice as
Fuck I forgot how to read graphs. Still, I do wonder where the increase came from.
>>80637222
I meant weak-willed, but physically weak can play a factor.
If you know who you are, truly, then that's all you need. They're so insecure that confidence can often trump physique or whatever.
>>80625415
Reganomics has destroyed the middle class and with it the nuclear family.
The only people who can afford kids will be polyamorous pansexual otherkins who pool all their wages from subway and live in a yurt.
This is literally the future you chose.
>>80625415
No love for for their species. No willingness to leave a legacy.
Degradation of Christian values. Pretty degenerate.
>>80641388
Yeah but we need a replacement level of 2.1 children / woman in order for the society to maintain its population.
>>80625415
Dont got no damn money for it thats why.
>hey anon jr. listen, the whole world hates you because you're a white male and you need to make money for the jews. You're here for possibly 100 years - have fun
Life is unnecessary. The loads that get shot on the floor are lucky.
>>80638492
I worked my way out at 23. By the time I was 25 I had a job making 80k a year and a nice apartment. Its never too late to start. The journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step.
>>80643623
Schopenhauer pls.
>>80644156
And you're doing what now?
>>80625415
>millennials
>responsibility
>>80626815
If you want something done then do it yourself
>>80640537
Good. You dumb mother fucker. Enjoy always being a slave to support that little shitheads.
>>80625415
Because there are to many children growing up with fucked up parents. Adopt instead.
>muh genes
Go take a gene test and see if you still want children. 100% of psychiatric patients are from families that fucked up in one way or the other.
Having children is NOT a human right. Both parents must be 200% ready to invest in children which is expensive and a long term plan for 18 years in most countries.
Don't have children because just because you want. That's selfish.
T. psychiatric nurse
>>80646870
>Adopt instead.
>>80625415
first define millennials
I don't really care to put more humans on the Earth, there's already too many to begin with. Also I don't feel like throwing my life away for something that I just don't feel like I actually want.
>>80647005
Better to give children who already were unlucky enough to be taken away from their parents a better life. Children don't chose their parents and too many grow up in broken families.
Bring an argument anytime.
Look at what our society values. Gays are natural aristocrats and we all need to have access to abortion. When nothing we value inspires life is it really a surprise the nobody wants to have kids?
>>80645524
Software Developer.
>tfw soon to be millionaire because i live life practical and simple
>cut my own hair
>don't fix/replace things unless they broke
>don't buy new clothing unless they get worned out
>use said haircutter to trim beard to save myself from buying jewrazors
>make food myself from ground up
>only take out what i actually eat, freeze/fridge the rest
>people tell me i'm average
>have plenty of money to afford travelling and spending money on things that are actually fun
>work overtime in short periods and chill out in short periods
>drive old cheap used cars and fix them myself or replace if it's too expensive to fix
I'm just doing what all girls tell me "Just be yourself anon and you'll find your girl eventually". So i have decided to do just that. If nothing happens and i am nearing my 40's i'll just order a mail bride or use escorts for company.
Girls don't know what they are missing out on. Feels good to play hard. I ain't letting just any girl get a share of my economic safety i worked my ass off with blood and sweat.
I like to believe things happen for a reason. Why it happens might not be understandable but what happens, happens. I try to enjoy the small moments in my short time on earth.
Just because i save money, doesn't mean i'm not enjoying myself and having a good life.
You have to love yourself before you can love another.
Male nurse for life. Enjoyable work at psychiatry and nightshifts where i just sit on my ass and make mad dosh.
It's all the small costs you do that makes people poor or struggling. Just cutting your own hair instead of going to a hairdresses will save you a lot of money in the long run for example.
>>80647245
not same guy but adopting kids is retarded
most people that give up their kids for adoption are low income low iq idiots. they wouldnt have a kid they didnt want if they werent. we have so much birth control.
so that is genetically passed on.
also kids develop the most within the first 5 years.
adoption is retarded and adopted kids are horrible most of the time.
>>80625415
Would you want to raise a child in this fucking world? Honestly.
All my friends and co-workers are constantly trying to undo the indoctrination and programming that is taught in public schools.
Every. Single. Fucking. Day. Trying to raise your kids right.
>pic related
>>80635667
>Can't even into meme triangles
>thinks he should have kids
>>80625648
>that is hot in America
