Why NATO is building a European(US) missile defense system around Russia?
>>80588299
Making it painfully obvious they want nuclear war
What are these for?
In case nuclear bomb goes off?
its not for russia its for iran
why do u think lol
>>80588352
>they want nuclear war
Who want it? Whole NATO or just a couple of jews?
>>80588434
>>80588352
> defense system
> its NATO that wants war
Holy fuck your guys mental gymnastics are hilarious
>>80588525
Nato surrounds russia with anti-missile systems and then invades unimpeded
>>80588479
NATO has been looking for a chance to fuck over Russia since Crimea, so they decided to try out some new tech
>>80588358
Looks like firefighting equipment. Stuff catches on fire more often than you think.
>>80588525
>defense system
Which can be also used for attack.
>>80588358
What do you think happens if you launch one of those bad boys on a dry bit of tundra?
>>80588479
>he doesn't know the un united Jews and NATOs endgame is nuclear holocaust for all the goyim
>>80588299
They say it's against Iran
>>80588644
>nuclear holocaust for all the goyim
But why do they want this? What is a reason for killing of all goys?
>>80588525
>defensive system can't be used for attack
>>80588299
Simple.
If you nuke us your the first one dead.
I guess nobody wants those "from the grave" medals
Its called aggressive defence. Its practically a declaration of war.
>>80588634
NATO fought that war because Europe was going to look like Rwanda unless they intervened, and Russia wanted because the Serbs are loyal cocksuckers and will gratefully expand sphere of Russian influence
Because Russians have more missiles than rubles?
>>80588731
No Goys = Zion
Everything will just work itself out if you get rid of all the genetic impurities.
>>80588299
To tell Russia to fuck off and not bother anyone.
>>80588912
>the Serbs are loyal cocksuckers
since when is being loyal a flaw you cocksucker?
>>80588299
The systems are genuinely defending against Iran. We couldn't stop 10,000 MIRV'd Russian missiles but we could use it to stop 5 simple Iranian missiles (possibly nuclear tipped). Also the positioning of the missile defence in Poland doesn't make any sense, Russia has subs everywhere in the world and can attack America over the north pole. Poland is perfectly positioned to catch Iranian missiles heading towards London/Paris/Germany though.
American geopolitical goal is to gain full control of the Caspian and the resources there. Ideally, Americans want to color revolution Russia and make it another vassal state. The goal is world domination ofc
>>80588434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiyr82AF59M
>>80589350
>since when is being loyal to another country that's not your own and wants to use you as a proxy bad
>>80589497
People actually believe this shit lol
>>80588299
Because the missiles used in that system are indistinguishable from first-strike nuclear missiles.
That's why. It's why USA flipped shit when the Soviets we're bringing their missiles to Cuba. Russia would be flipping shit (and kinda are) but they are in a much weaker position these days and have like half the world against them thx to good old american mass media propaganda.
>>80589654
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski
Did you even read The Grand Chessboard?
>>80588912
So here you state that NATO fought an offensive war to counter Russia in geopolitical sense, but you refuse to acknowledge that the playing field is actually the whole Eurasian land mass?
>>80588525
Missile shields are a threat to nuclear deterrence
Nuclear deterrence prevented ww3
>>80589835
>one book is going to tell you all you need to know about US foreign policy because it never changes and also this one guy knows everything about what the government's plans are because he was involved in arming commies once
>>80589966
There I state that NATO fought a DEFENSIVE war to counter your country's genocide policies, and Russia didn't do anything about said genocide because they want a greater Serb sphere of influence which ultimately also means Russian influence because guess who's their biggest ally in the Balkans. NATO literally doesn't give a shit about Balkans and if you played nice and didn't try to kill everyone around you they wouldn't even be there. Or am I brainwashed? Have I fallen for the ultimate Western conspiracy? Serb dindu nuffins? Russia doesn't care about the Balkans either?
>>80588299
To defend against missiles, I guess. What else a missile defense would be good for?
>>80588299
>Why NATO is building a European(US) missile defense system around Russia?
It isn't building missile defense around Russia at the moment.
It's building missile defenses around middle-east and North-Korea. Against potentially unstable potential minor nuclear powers.
Eastern Europe is a shitty place to shoot down Russian ICBM's heading towards US, but it's perfect place for mid course interception against missiles launched from middle-east against US or terminal phase interception for missiles launched from middle-east to Europe.
>>80589371
>The systems are genuinely defending against Iran. We couldn't stop 10,000 MIRV'd Russian missiles but we could use it to stop 5 simple Iranian missiles (possibly nuclear tipped). Also the positioning of the missile defence in Poland doesn't make any sense, Russia has subs everywhere in the world and can attack America over the north pole. Poland is perfectly positioned to catch Iranian missiles heading towards London/Paris/Germany though.
Russian subs have relatively long range missiles. Those aren't deployed everywhere. Russian way of using missile submarines has been same since 80's when they got missiles that they can launch from relatively close to their own bases. Set up herding area in arctic, focus anti-submarine resources there to keep NATO SSN's away from their SSBN's. To get into Atlantic Russians need to cross GIUK sosus line. NATO can relatively easily intercept and start to shadow any Russian submarine crossing it.
Russia doesn't have 10000 MIRV'd missiles. Never had and numbers are going down. Current treaties allow 1550 warheads and 700 active launchers. Russia at the moment has 521 active launchers (including reserve they have total 856 launchers) and 1735 active warheads, so they are bit late as usual implementing shit they have agreed upon. US has 741 active launchers (878 total) and 1485 active warheads.
>>80590085
t.Big Boss
>>80588299
Because of pic related.
Europe will never be truly safe until Russia exists as a continental power. It must be dismantled.
Imagine that there are Africans living next door with a first world arsenal.
There you have it...
>>80590377
>Eastern Europe is a shitty place to shoot down Russian ICBM's heading towards US, but
but ist's a perfect place for the first strike
>>80590264
>NATO
>Fought a defensive war
>against Yugoslavia
>Yugoslavia didn't attack any NATO member
>a defensive war
Also, Zbigniew was anti-communist, he didn't arm them.
You have no knowledge on the subject.
>>80590264
>NATO literally doesn't give a shit about Balkans and if you played nice and didn't try to kill everyone around you they wouldn't even be there. Or am I brainwashed? Have I fallen for the ultimate Western conspiracy? Serb dindu nuffins? Russia doesn't care about the Balkans either?
Yes that must be why the US demanded independence for Kosovo defying all the international laws that exist, thus setting a precedent for happenings like Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Crimea.
Of course, the US having built the largest military base[1] in there, smack in the middle of the Balkans had nothing to do with the war...
The Balkans is important and both Russia and the US care deeply for it. The US saw an opportunity to take it during the war while Russia was weak, and that's what they did. The genocide etc were all lies. Yes people die in war but it was not worse from one side to the next. Kosovar muslim militias literally summarily executed serb civilians in the area, yet this was all ignored. US reporters went to the areas, took pictures of the dead and said THE SERBS DID IT. Then they bombed to Chinese embassy in Belgrade too just because they fucking could.
Now, because there are countries in NATO with investigative journalism and rule of law, we know that ALL the American claims made for the war were total lies, just like for the Iraq war, here's a German documentary where they absolutely slaughter all the arguments presented for the war:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_scokGJga8c
>>80588299
im a god, and if you dont understand me you stand under me. mothafuka
>>80588588
Well you are only partly right. It goes way deeper than that.
The zionist satanic death-cult from babylon being blamed for ruling the world, have been at war against Russian Empire since the time of Russian Tsars.
The Royals in Europe are all related, including related with Tsars in Russia. Then Russia didnt accept being stepped on. Then all Tsars were killed in X years ago.
The Cabal have also hurt Russia alot, but never managed to really control her from end-to-end.
100 years ago the Rothschild made a contract of controlling and running Central Bank of Russia. This 100-year-lease ended in year 2013 or 2014.
Central Bank control is the ultimate tool needed to control a country.
Putin decided to nationalise (take back control) of Russian Central Bank in Year 2014-2015, which was previously controlled by a foreign state - City of London (Rothschild-controlled).
This the Zionist Cabal didnt like. Then they decided to crash the oil market and go all-in on war with Russia. Thats why Nato is beefing up its army, thats why all these missile shields pops up out of no-where.
They are prepared yet another mass-scale attack on Russia.
As was done in both World Wars, as was done before that in history.
There are only 5 countries in the world who control their own Central Bank (correct me if Im wrong), and those countries are Russia, China, Syria, Iran, North Korea.
These 5 countries most be totally destroyed, and the most important piece is the Central Bank.
If the Russian State falls, the whole world will fall.
Western liberals who "hate" Russia dont understand that, Russia is protecting them, because if Russia starts a war everyone will die.
The longer the patience Russia got, the longer we will all live, and they know this.
But God damn Zionists are poking them.
Sooner or later it must be war, however people are starting to wake up. Much thank to the internet.
TTIP is control internet, and all media, if so, its over.
>>80590548
>but ist's a perfect place for the first strike
First strike weaponry that could be deployed to Europe hasn't existed since late 80's or early 90's thanks to Intermeadiate range Nuclear Forces treaty. US and Russian nuclear arsenals do not include intermediate or medium range ballistic missiles or ground launched nuclear cruise missiles due to that treaty and destabilizing effect those had on cold war.
(((defense system)))
>>80590772
Kosovo was US backup plan in case EU would drift appart from under their influence. Permanent base SIGINT in Europe in case rest of Europe decided to prioritize their own interests over American interests.
>>80588299
cause russia is a threat
ignore the threat of immigration
ignore the globalist shill
be a good goyim, hate the russians
>>80588731
no reason, they're just evil (like you hans, isn't that what you've been wanting all this time?)
>>80591312
>cause russia is a threat
but NATO is threat for Russia, what do? Nuclear war?
>>80590890
About Central Bank of Russia: http://anonhq.com/checkmate-central-bank-russia/ .
A Nations power is its army, who is controlled by the State, the State gets its funding from the economy, and the Central Bank controls the money supply.
Control the Central Bank and you control it all.
Sooner or later the army needs to upgrade its tech, if you limit the money supply etc the army will suffer.
Dont you remember the quote from one Rothschild?
Amschel Bauer Mayer Rothschild, 1838:
"Let me issue and control a Nation's money supply and I care not who makes its laws".
And in all this events going on, US have the fucking balls to ask to prolong a Nuclear-Treaty on short range Nukes.
https://www.rt.com/usa/350620-obama-start-nuclear-treaty/
Fucking Zionists puppies, building missile shield on Russias boarder and putting them online have just opened Pandoras Box.
>>80591459
Stalemate and hope economic sanctions destroy them like the USSR was destroyed.
where else would we but it
>just nuke my shit up senpai
>>80591760
Not this time, buddy, not this time...
>>80590538
Did Hitler really say this?
>>80590890
>There are only 5 countries in the world who control their own Central Bank
wtf is this bullshit? most countries control their own central bank with low percentage of private share
False sense of security.
Fucking Americucks tricked yuros into building FIXED missile sites
>>80592193
(((you)))
Good ole western vs eastern roman empire rivalry escalated.
>>80590264
>thousands of movies are going to tell you all you need to know about US foreign policy because it never changes and also these guys (((Jewwood))) know everything about what the government's plans are because they were involved in arming kebabs multiple times
>>80589654
It's in their national interest to be a proxy of russia rather than the US, since geopolitics.
>>80588299
If my assumption that these defense systems are designed to shoot down missiles eg Nukes possibly. Then they would obviously be expecting something to happen soon.
But the question is from who and why ?
Also where exactly are they around Russia is it on the outskirts of Russia's borders ?
lastly can anyone fill me in on NATO and what they're affiliation with Russia is ?
>>80592304
it's true
>>80588299
to weaken russias geopolitical power by negating its nuclear threat to europe. Muricas policy regarding russia since ww2 has always been of isolation and weakening.
>>80592135
yes he did
its called "Hitler's Table Talks"
His most extreme views recorded during the war by his archivists.
>>80588525
Oh shut up Germany
>m-m-muh defense systems, ebil america!!!
>fucktons of russian armed forces in kaliningrad are perfectly ok
>>80592797
PTSD much, Polen?
>>80590538
>turk
i'll bite
why are slavs drunkards? because western merchants brought alcohol into russia to destroy its people
turkey was created for one single purpose - to oppose russia
the wet dream of the west led by USA is to take control over russia's rich natural resources and clay
Europe will never be truly safe until USA exists as a global superpower. It must be dismantled.
and it sure will, look what's going on in there
the FED has stopped printing
the global financial reset is closer than you think
>>80588299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ux3oiWELIQ
>>80592797
>fucktons of russian armed forces in kaliningrad are perfectly ok
>fucktons of russian armed forces in russia are perfectly ok
fixed
meanwhile you guys have burgers playing wargames in your forests
wake up, poland
>>80593014
Do you want some love from Russia in 1968 style?
>>80593014
>kaliningrad
>actual russia
>implying there is any other purpose for kaliningrad than russian military base closer to europe
>>80588525
>Holy fuck your guys mental gymnastics are hilarious
Germany shut the fuck up , you guys along with your glorious leader MERKEL ruined Europe.
I wouldn't be talking about mental gymnastics if I were you Germany pic related.
>>80593147
There was a liberal coup going on in Prague at that time and even NATO forces were prepared to attack Czechoslovakia from Germany. Vasil Biľak then REQUESTED the soviet troops to come to CS. So it was not an invasion, they were invited.
>>80593358
>>80592958
explain this picture
>>80588525
a missile shield breaks MAD (mutual assured destruction) which is the only reason nuclear war didnt break out
having a missile shield means the russians have to go back to the massive cold war era yields to offset the fact that they cant hit the target accurately.
they already detonated a 50mt yield h-bomb in the cold war, and that was a downgraded version. the original was meant to be 100mt (using a uranium tamper instead of lead). the "downgraded" version was so powerful the shockwave could be measured as it went around the earth, six times over. there is no limit to how big you can make them.
Let me guess how it'll go.
>US building a missile defense system surrounding Russia
>Russia can't into nuclear strike
>Then, somehow, some kind of revolution starts in Russia to have "democracy"
>"OMG we have to help these rebels, Putin is evil!"
>>80588299
Because NATO is islamophile and russophobe
>>80593414
Merkel didn't do shit! Shut your whore mouth!
>>80593746
there is no nato base in poland
bases in middle east have nothing to do with russia, same for central asia (war with terrorism in afghanistan), korea, japan etc.
>>80593746
Friends in the battle
and the bottle
>>80594115
>pics for later. ;)
>>80594054
the russians arent retarded, all of their nukes are mobile now. they can put them on a submarine and send those subs anywhere in the world and launch nukes from there. they could also just invade a nearby country and park and ICBM near the border and simply threaten to blow away the nearest NATO country with some crazy high yield bomb. rumor has it that they've also developed rockets that fly so fast that you can't shoot them down, rendering a missile shield useless.
>>80588299
The same reasons burgers went to the moon
Because burgers are retarded
>>80588358
ALL government vehicles carry fire extinguishers.
everything from tanks to on base shuttle vans.
>>80593414
go fuck an emu you pompous little prick
>>80594147
I'll give you that, but you have a missile complex
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_missile_defense_complex_in_Poland
>bases in middle east have nothing to do with russia, same for central asia
oh really? then explain 8.8.2008 (protip Saakashvili was a bootlicker of US)
US wants the middle eastern war to pour into Russia through the Caucasus region
>>80592928
>why are slavs drunkards? because western merchants brought alcohol into russia to destroy its people
wut?
Explain this shit to me.
>>80594532
that was a cold war plan, my bad
yeah but anyway
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/06/03/why-poland-wants-a-u-s-military-base/
>>80588299
Because we are gonna attack you.
Don't you believe in this?
Look news or, better, check twitter, there are same honest hardworking guys like you who can see it.
So you need more military base, soldiers and equipment. Which USA gladly sell to you.
>>80594269
You don't quite understand.
This would be a catastrophe for Europe.
But the USA would survive the confrontation relatively unscathed. This is the whole point, and the reason for these actions here. They want a scenario where they can win a nuclear war. Losing Europe? No biggie.
>>80593439
Found a genuine stalinist.
>>80593746
Almost all of those bases are small logistics bases that Russia agreed for after 9/11 needed for Afghanistan war. Only major new US base in Europe since cold war has been Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo. Since end of cold war a shit ton of NATO bases have been closed.
>>80588588
>since Crimea
>>80594545
Genoan merchants brought Vodka into Russia in the 14th century. At that time, Russia was absolutely straight edge (paganism). Russians didn't want to drink it, because alcohol was frowned upon. Later, the Genoan merchants (btw Genoa used to be the world's central power before 12th century) sold it as a healing drink, and even gave it away for free. Basically, the Russians were Jewed. Then many centuries later, Alcohol was made illegal and Soviet Union won WW2 because the fighting generation was raised alcohol-free. Then in the 60s, alcohol was being promoted again as part of the cold war. And after the breakup of SU, Russia became a colony of USA and began drinking itself to death. Now, Putin is saving Russia and many young people in Russia don't drink nowadays.
>Hey Russia, we'll build those nuclear shields around you if that's okay?
>Oh right, we also wanted to ask you to sign this thing so that you agree to cut your nuclear stockpile :^)
>>80594639
This.
But first lemme finish my lunch, and then I'll LIBERATE you all. We can attack you any minute now, with speshul KGB GRU spetsnaz trained Putins.
>>80594969
Alright. This is the first I am hearing of this. Thanks Slovakia.
I knew about Anglos cucking the chinese with opium. Didn't know about this
>>80588299
Russia can nuke over the pacific, you retard. It's clearly against inferior Iranian missiles
Russia is bitching because they need excuses for future provocations.
>>80588299
To politically unbalance Russia. Realistically the number of intercept kill vehicles at these missile defense sites won't make a big difference against Russia in the event of a Nuclear war, but it could help against a smaller nuclear arsenal like Pakistan, India, or Iran if it were to go nuclear.
But it does upset Russia so we do it because we're having tensions with them.
>>80592958
NATO expecting Nuclear war with Russia and trying to put the defense system as close to Russia as possible to shoot down missiles as early as possible in flight path and then claiming it's about Iran for plausible deniability ?
>>80595079
Remember my poo friend, everything is connected. The chinese opium wars were a fucking gold mine for the brits. At that time, I think that profits from opium made a majority of british profits.
>>80594476
>go fuck an emu you pompous little prick
better than getting raped by Muslim cock
>>80588613
>>80588733
They can't though. These systems don't have warheads, they're simply rockets with a hardened tip used to slam into an ICBM in the middle of its flight path and take it out of the air and prevent detonation.
Only the Russians arm their "missile defense" missiles with nuclear warheads, because they don't have the guidance systems to directly intercept, so they just detonate the warhead somewhere close to hit the missile instead.
>>80589824
>indistinguishable
except they don't have warheads.
>>80595378
pretty cheeki breeki if you ask me
>>80595200
>To politically unbalance Russia
Hm, how exactly can you unbalance country with extern treat?
Isn't it unite people in country?
"Hey guys we are your friends please accept this constitution as a gift" was way more efficient.
>>80594969
>Alcohol was made illegal and Soviet Union won WW2 because the fighting generation was raised alcohol-free.
God you are delusional.
Red Army had daily vodka rations for everyone. Quarter liter a day if possible, rear echellon troops usually got only 10th of a liter due to shortages.
>>80595564
It gets the job done.
>>80595640
I expected this sort of reaction.
It was the western propaganda that made everyone think that USSR won WW2 by zergrushing nazis with drunk soldiers.
If they drank during the war, they would have lost. Nobody can win a war while fucking drunk.
The Red Army also had traitor generals who sent their own troops towards certain death.
>>80595768
are they available for civilian home defense?
>>80595378
Sometimes, defensive equipment can be also used offensively. Such as when it allows you to do first strike without being afraid of retaliation.
>>80595640
No wonder you Finns kicked the Russians out easily.
Simo Hayha The White Death.
Having cunts like this and the fact that the Russians would have been a bunch of drunks kek.
>>80595200
Pakistan or Iran probably
Why the heck would India want to fuck with Europe? This makes no sense
Why are Westerners so paranoid
>>80595591
Because like I've discussed. The sites aren't actually legitimately a threat to Russia or an effective deterrence to Russian Nuclear capabilities. They have very limited numbers of Intercept Vehicles, like, a few dozen. Russia has hundreds of ICBM's ready to fly right now. Even if we used all our intercept vehicles we wouldn't make a noticeable dent in how much damage an ICBM strike from Russia would do to us.
But the Russians PERCEIVE it otherwise, so it unbalances them.
Russians also think that the missile defense shield missiles are armed with warheads, because you guys arm your missile shield missiles with 10kt warheads. But we don't. They're "kinetic kill vehicles" no detonation. They can't be used to attack anything because they have no warhead.
But you guys perceive otherwise, so it unbalances you.
>>80595640
>Quarter liter a day if possible, rear echellon troops usually got only 10th of a liter due to shortages.
https://translate.google.ru/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fru.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHapкoмoвcкиe_100_гpaмм
>>80596017
Also both Pakistan and Iran wouldn't be a nuclear power if the West were serious about it.
USA gives billions of dollars in aid to Pakistan and is now shocked that one day it becomes nuclear.
Create problem. Then make up retarded solutions
>>80595973
>dindu breaks into my house
>entire city wiped off the map
>>80596254
Why do you hate freedom?
>>80596051
>But we don't
Of course, you never are and never will. This moderate bombs are only for defencing against radical russian bombs.
I don't get 'unbalance', what is exactly unbalanced? More weapons on border brings more weapons on border, action and reaction.
>>80595995
30 or so intercept vehicles won't do anything significant against 500 ICBM's, not to mention Russia has hundreds of SLBM's and air launched cruise missiles and bombs as well. Against a Triad.. this system doesn't do anything against Russia except make them mad because of the perceived slight.
>>80595933
>It was the western propaganda that made everyone think that USSR won WW2 by zergrushing nazis with drunk soldiers.
Nice assumption. They did try zergrushing in winter war and few desperate situations early on in Barbarossa. Too much losses.
>If they drank during the war, they would have lost. Nobody can win a war while fucking drunk.
They issued booze because it relaxes and helps you sleep. It's also pretty good in cleaning up wounds and shit.
>The Red Army also had traitor generals who sent their own troops towards certain death.
Soviets had shot a huge portion of their officer corps just prior to WWII in the great purge. Not traitors, just incompentent fuckwits that had been selected into their positions due to political reliability.
>>80596254
SHALL
>>80588568
Romania is exactly in the middle between Iran and London, Paris, Berlin.
>>80596014
One guy, wow.
>>80596519
NOT
>>80588733
Hitler looked very Jewish did he not?
>>80591459
Same thing Paraguay did.
>>80595378
I always thought they would explode with some kind of shrapnell to increase the chance of hitting the other missile in-air. Seems pretty impossible to exactly crash into the flight path of a hypersonic object.
>>80596017
I'm not saying that the defense systems are designed with India or Pakistan in mind. I'm saying that because India and Pakistan don't have effective triads and have smaller arsenals that our intercept systems would make a significant dent if not completely eliminate any threat you guys COULD pose.
We have a very tenuous "alliance" with the government of Pakistan, in so far as we don't really trust them but we try to buy their good favor and promise them help in the event they go to war with India, and they're not really happy with us either but they need the help against you.
Basically we're just playing ally to prevent them from going rogue and arming Iran, and Terrorist organizations with warheads.
India.. we have a decidedly neutral relationship with. We don't really feel threatened by you but we don't trust you either because you have been a little bit more friendly with Russia than we like (which led to us making "friendly" with Pakistan, because you made friendly with the Soviet Union in the 70's)
Either way, the system is expressly designed with a nuclear Iran in mind but it'd serve to protect against Pakistan or India as well. Our system in Alaska is designed with North Korea in mind.
>>80595995
The weapon itself is not an offensive platform, its a defensive weapon used for downing an aicraft or icbm. I guess in the hypothetical scenario where a plane would be offensively taken out by one to start a war, but that would be a retarded way to declare war.
>>80596550
That crazy cunt killed 500 Russians with that rifle.
>>80596633
UPHELD
>>80597410
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>80596349
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Midcourse_Defense
This is the type of system we installed in Romania and Poland I believe.
It's more like a rocket boosted bullet to hit missiles in space.
>>80597222
when you build up defenses to such a large degree it greatly increases chances of a conflict, there is a term for it i forget right now
>>80597183
That makes better sense. With the rider that it is still the West's fault that both Pakistan and Iran has nuclear weapons. The West give billions of dollars in free gibs to Pakistan and the result is this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/6170145/A.Q.-Khan-boasts-of-helping-Irans-nuclear-programme.html
Also if the fear is that India would somehow get cucked into being a patsy for Russia such that it would threaten Europe for Russia's sake. Such a thing is possible of course but highly improbable.
India is not suicidal. India is sensible enough that it knows it can't even fuck around Pakistan because Pakistan now has nukes thanks to the West. Forget even thinking of threatening Eurpe
>>80588525
In the case of a nuclear war would thsi missile shit make it impossible for the russians to start their nukes as last resort?
Are there nukes in the orbit? With a tungsten coat?.
>>80597751
No the quads
>>80597001
That's why they only have a success rate of about 50% in testing.
It's hard to hit something dead on at Mach 17+
But under treaties we can't have anti ballistic missiles with warheads on them.
>>80596657
Paraguay lost 1/3rd of its population, practically all adult males, and crippled itself for over 150 years to the point that today it's still basically a non-country
90% that war started in 1-2 years
90% that russia wins and too much eyroslaves will die
why you still wait here? move to siberia or australia
>>80588434
>believe me Ivan it's not for you :^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ;) >:o :') :3
>>80597751
Not enough kill vehicles to make a dent in Russia's attack, and it'd do nothing against a submarine launched ballistic missile.
it's blackmail
it hope russians start mobilizing troops on the east and eventually fuck up these NATO positions
I'm sick and tired of these fucking kikes trying to use us as pawns
>>80596349
and as far as unbalancing goes.. it's like how you guys buzz our ships and jets and fly nuclear bombers near our airspace on Independence day until you're intercepted and escorted away, it's just to piss us off.
The perceived threat is much much much higher than the actual threat. These shields wouldn't be effective against Russia at all, but Russia perceives them as a threat.
>>80588299
>around Russia
more like around Europe
> gather refugees from all around africa and middle east
> nukes them along with Europe itself. world saved
>>80590317
Piss of the blyads
>>80588352
For EU
>>80597867
Delusional much?
>>80588299
Because Russia has little option but to expand west, into the former Warsaw pact states, if it is to prevent the knife-at-its-throat problem of EU/NATO being on its doorstep.
This is why Putin will move to annexe those former Soviet Union states and what lies beyond. He doesnt have a choice, its either that or admit he cannot defend/operate on his western flank.
>>80590538
I trust in Russia, and they do things right.
Thread reminder to watch Threads.
https://vimeo.com/18781528
>>80591760
Lmao those sanctions are too weak to do anything to them. Want to ruin Russia? Get rid of/substitute fossil fuels globally both oil and gas. That will fuck them up for sure.
>>80590317
Are you nigger?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPKMjHDjBTE
>>80594055
69/10
>>80598907
>Get rid of/substitute fossil fuels globally both oil and gas.That will fuck them up for sure.
maybe in 2005
>>80598942
But belorossia...
If I was him I'd worry about Chinese imperialism and their greedy expansion eastward and not about some silly small scale anti nuke shield. After all Russian submarines are loaded with nukes and are бeзaнaлoгoвaя right? This defense system doesn't counter a full nuclear triad unless Russian tech is super underdeveloped.
>>80599277
Keep dreaming, we wount be rid of this fossil cancer until 2050. We will get cucked by middle eastern oil production for decades to come because hurr durr fat Americans need to drive big suv to compensate for penis size.
>>80599325
> I'd worry about Chinese imperialism and their greedy expansion eastward
>eastward
lol nigga. look at fucking map
>>80599428
too much words and lack of sense for nigger kid. keep calm please
It's true, /pol/ really is the stupidest board.
You guys know there is a tripfag in /k/ who is a nuclear expert, right?
90% of the stuff in here is bullshit.
BROKENG NATO NEWZ
https://www.rt.com/news/350650-portugal-hercules-montijo-crash/
>>80599928
>90% of the stuff in here is bullshit.
When you make statements like that explain which statements are bullshit. Otherwise people will think your are just another attention whore
>>80600118
The people in here who think that the defense system can render Russia's nuclear arsenal useless are the idiots.
>>80600284
Ok, I agree with you on that but many people in this thread have already pointed that out
>>80599928
link his shit then to make your case. "expert" is a very relative term anyhow - all the "experts" said for UK to stay in the Immigration Union... I mean European Union
>>80600284
>>80598942
Emperor say that too
>>80599928
http://www.giantbomb.com/fallout-3/3030-20504/forums/nuclear-warfare-101-wall-of-text-alert-2999/
>>80600284
B-but
> muh putins
> muh rt
> muh sputnik
> muh rossia 24
This silly missile defense shield served it's purpose already. Most rufag traitors I know already had an aneurysm because of it. Spoon feed idiots propaganda for a long time and they lose the capability of thinking for themselves.
>>80600565
And?
>>80600284
Lets ask Mummy she'll know what's going on.
MUMMY MUMMY MUMMY
>>80588613
Literally impossible to use a SAM offensively.
>>80600713
just to clear up some things
>>80595995
The US could already do a first strike unimpeded just as Russia could do it to the US. It's called SLBMs on a depressed trajectory.
Holy fuck niggers on /pol/ are so astonishingly ignorant of how military equipment works and even basic strategy that it physically hurts.
>>80600895
Ok. What was that clearing up?
>>80588299
When Putin decides to strike you will be glad it is there.
Without the US, Europe would be drinking large amounts of wodka and be living in large concrete habblocks by now.
>>80600742
I NEED to see her butt in HD.
>>80601268
Putin Aproves
>>80601163
>When Putin decides to strike you
To agressor N1 and easy beaten by NATO for what, my euronews nigga?
for your ugly wife
for 0 resurces
or
for paper money?
>>80601163
>When Putin decides to strike you will be glad it is there.
I hope this post is satire. These days one can't tell
>>80601147
I meant this was for clearing things up >>80600565
basically it talks about the modern nuclear weapon tactics, the 'fallout' both real and political of a nuclear war, what would happen in a nuclear war etc etc etc
>>80601163
Without us UK would be forced to submit to nazi superiority and there would be no lend lease
>nazis take over
>liberate Russia of commie scum
>build Europe into the glorious reich it was supposed to be
Our peoples could have loved each other instead of being torn apart by mutual hatred and self hatred
Because power and violence is the only argument these Mongols from Moscow understand.
>>80600936
You're the only one with a proper army. Our military doctrine is to have every man run into the nearest forest, dig a hole and sit there until victory.
>>80601701
Which has absolutely jack shit to do with first strikes that YOU specifically brought up.
>>80601790
It was the other Finn. Your confrontational tone scared him, so he ran into a forest to dig a hole anticipating an invasion.
>>80601417
What?
>>80601425
Poo.
>>80601638
You are alredy lost my Belarus friend.
>>80588299
>defense
>>80588299
why dont you ask crimea, ukraine and georgia that question?. im so sick of putin dicksuckers.
>>80602046
>It was the other Finn. Your confrontational tone scared him, so he ran into a forest to dig a hole anticipating an invasion.
You're alright.
>>80588299
The question on why /pol/ sucks so much Putin manlet dick....
Kinda makes you think.
>>80588299
Those things look easy to hijack, just get a crew together and take out the soldiers and then launch the missile, the codes don't matter since NORAD would detect the launch and launch a counter-strike anyway.
>>80602260
There are legit Putinbot proxies in there since the time of Crimea crisis. Even Russian themselves from Crazy Rouble general confirmed it.
>>80598871
Threads fucked me up for a while
>>80602156
Are you implying that a nuclear missile shield is the tool to prevent a Russian incursion? What is the point of this post?
>>80601163
>Without the US, Europe would be drinking large amounts of wodka
Instead of gulping down quarts of Muslim man-chowder?
>>80602440
It's no coincidence that 4chan was DDOSed and Russian IPs were banned for a while after Crazy Rouble threads started showing up.
>>80602156
Yes, Ukraine. Oh what a genuine revolution they had, if only it hadn't been for that completely unwarranted Russian aggression. Surely they would've still allowed Russia access to the Black Sea, surely?!
>>80602622
I live in hope.
>>80597001
>
no you are wrong all of modern engineering with rocketscience went to a giant arrow which aims with it's hard pinty tip for other rockets
>>80602611
russia wouldnt have invaded those countries if there would have been nato presence. >>80602693
>muh jewish cia infiltrators
stop watching rt propaganda drivel
>>80595378
not sure if stupid or paid shill
>>80602916
Explain how you plan on using a SAM as an offensive weapon system to attack Russia then.
>>80602885
Yes, well, anything's better than what appears to be your main news sources. pic related
>>80602885
Then the solution is NATO. Germany is already in NATO.
The problem with what is going on here is that there are legitimate doubts if this is purely about protecting Europe or about undermining Russian nuclear deterrence
>>80603093
>>80598942
do I have to repeat what the youtube video said?
>>80602916
Explain how a missile without a warhead is an offensive weapon.
>>80603149
forgot the pic
>>80602693
t. russian shill in finland
>>80602693
>Muh Pootis, el saviore de white race
>>80602693
Noniin bäckmanni rauhotus nyt
>>80603200
I want to hear how you think that a SAM is going to be used in the attack. If they are, then NATO can easily claim that the entirety of the Russian IADS was an offensive weapon as they could reach beyond the immediate borders of Russia.
>>80588525
Hans, go back to your screaming wife right now, she's screaming so loud from that jamal cock that i can hear over the fucking carpathians.
>>80603182
what would they have to gain from a missile defence system other than closer cooperation between the states in said defence ring?. there seems nothing sinister about it to me. maybe you can shine some light on me.
>>80603398
Enjoying life under Russian cross-hairs, romabro?
>>80603243
not a savior, but opposed to the real anti white americans-atlanticists
>>80603526
Triggering edgy rufags has been the westerners master plan all along...
>>80603317
1. nato can start tommahawk missles from that SAM stations
2. this system was recently built and is capable of attacking groundtargets on russian soil
it's like I come to your yard and point a rifle at your house and say don't worry buddy it's just for my safety
>>80603541
Russia has the highest percentage of Muslims in Europe.
>B-but they are integrated peaceful Muslims
>Integrated peaceful Muslims
Top kek
>>80603637
the us and russia have the capability to destroy each other and the world since decades (submarines, long range missiles). how exactly does a missile defense ring change anything?
>>80603637
>1. nato can start tommahawk missles from that SAM stations
No, they cannot. The GLCM Gryphon was retired decades ago and converted back to BGM-109Cs.
>2. this system was recently built and is capable of attacking groundtargets on russian soil
Again, explain how it can. If we're going to say that SAMs can engage ground targets, then the Soviets and now Russia have had far more systems in place for decades well before this was deployed.
So following your line of logic that SAMs can be used for land attack, then Russia has been doing this for decades and NATO is now just deciding to do it in response. What's the issue?
>>80603526
See this post by the belarus dude >>80598942
You hear is straight from the horse's mouth, Putin himself.
>>80603934
US is theating russia.
>>80593746
>Kazakhstan has NATO military based
SELLOUTS SELLOUTS
What a bunch of betrayers. Never trust the asian jews, I guess.
>>80603974
>No, they cannot. The GLCM Gryphon was retired decades ago and converted back to BGM-109Cs.
so it is possible but you have to believe us that we won't do it because we were honest with you all the time, right russia-sama?
>So following your line of logic that SAMs can be used for land attack, then Russia has been doing this for decades and NATO is now just deciding to do it in response. What's the issue?
russians were doing it on their own soil while nato expanded to the east against it's promises and deployed on that recently added territory air and ground threating weapons
>>80603934
I had non nuclear warfare in mind
>>80603934
lol sausage nigga, try to turn your brain ON
NATo try to provoke Russia and make agressor N1.
But its not easy
-cuckrain for example
>>80604031
yes, i do believe that putin is right about that. but in the end he has proven them right that the missile defense is necessary with the hostile actions russia has shown.
>>80604344
wait arent we talking about nuclear?
>>80604467
>wait arent we talking about nuclear?
I dont think their patriot thingys can stop satan missles
>>80604344
>so it is possible
It's as possible as you turning into a heterosexual male at any moment. IE: None.
There are no more GLCMs in inventory, all were destroyed as part of the INF treaty. The only parts that remained were engines reused for TLAM-Cs and a few casings for displays.
It's a completely absurd argument that's meant to draw in retards who don't know any better. If NATO wanted to put a ground launched cruise missile into use, then not only would you hear about it from shills screaming about it like you are, but more importantly they wouldn't have to put them at SAM sites.
>russians were doing it on their own soil
These are on NATO soil.
>against it's promises
There were no promises at all, this is a complete meme. The entire process of joining NATO REQUIRES a nation to petition just to be heard, NATO does not actively try to gain members. Russia is wholly responsible for the expansion of NATO. Their constant threats and actions throughout the 90's and early 2000s are directly responsible for former PACT nations wanting to join.
>>80588299
>putin bitches endlessly about missile defense while building more nukes and giving nuclear technology to the iranians
>neighboring nations slack on support for missile defense
>putin invades crimea
>>80604434
Lolo belorossia only aggression Russia is fully capable of is trolling the shit out of online forums. And it's easy to provoke them into triggered - autist - with- a- keyboard mode
>>80604830
I see we won't get to a common point here and I do not really care atm but can you explain how russians doing their shit on NATO soil, which specific country it is.. just curious this is new to me
>These are on NATO soil.
>>80588525
disabling one side's nuclear option and defeating MAD so you can nuke freely
>>80605020
>bulgarian nigger arguments
funny
>>80605164
>Belorossia sucking Putin cock
Shocking
>>80605070
'These' is referring to the SAM sites. Your argument is 'it's okay because Russian SAM sites are on Russian soil' which is a completely idiotic argument.
Again, if SAM sites can be used offensively for land attack, then why is it okay for Russia to have these for decades and deploying them in areas such as Kaliningrad where they can reach NATO members, but it's not okay for a NATO member to do the same.
I want to know your logic on this or if you're just falling once more to standard cognitive dissonance that's favored by vatniks, slavaboos and leftists.
Another thread
>m-muh ebil russia
nothing new.
>>80595378
Just a quick question. ICBM flyin over Polan. A missile from Redzikowo hits an ICBM. Where does it fall and what damage does it do?
>>80605311
cock of truth
>>80596349
Don't you have submarines to nuke the USA directly. Does this make you more balanced?
Just remember this. If ww3 happens in Europe it goes completely shit and guess who is winner again?
>>80605610
Given how high icbm missiles fly and given that city's location and depending on wind currents the radioactive matter will be scattered in Germany, Poland, Russia and probably other places as well
Depends if the missile is a doomsday weapon with 100mt worth of Uranium In it or if it's a small yield aimed at a small city.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUoONUH6DhQ
>>80606012
USA Europe and Russia go to war. Winners are
Arabs
Asians
Chinks in particular
Biggest loser is Africa because unlike their freshly wiped out former masters they will suffer a slow, hungry death because of lack of Medicine and food sent as humanitarian aid
>>80605610
Assuming that the warhead is intact:
If the warhead is deflected and the warhead is undamaged, either upon reaching the ground or hitting it's predetermined altitude, the warhead will detonate after deciding that it is NOT where it's programmed to be. This detonation will not cause a nuclear explosion. A common failsafe in both US and Soviet designs post early 70s was that in the event a warhead does not reach its intended target, the explosives will go off, but not correctly to cause a nuclear detonation. What this does instead is basically scatter the physics package (the nuclear bits of the warhead) everywhere. This does two things - it ensures that complete knowledge of weapon designs cannot be discerned from hostile recovery teams, and prevents potentially dragging a third party into a war. Despite what the media likes to portray, nuclear weapons are actually extraordinarily safe and are designed to NOT go off unless a lot of parameters are correct.
If the warhead is intact but damaged, most likely it'll just fall to the ground and embed itself in dirt. Risk of accidental nuclear detonation is astronomic.
>A shield is an offensive weapon because it allows you to hit someone with your sword
L O G I C
Can you stop talking out of your asses and based on your ingame knowledge which half of it is bullshit? Holy shit /pol/ is filled with bait threads and faggots with a masters in severe retardation.
>>80606084
>>80606416
thanks, still better than a nuclear explosion, I guess
>>80606218
Don't forget Australia. We'll crack a coupla bevvies and watch youse cunts destroy yourselves.
>>80607927
Oh you'll have your due Aussies,,, We'll make sure of that
>>80588299
because you want their ppl to take the first strikes.
you use their ppl as your first sheild
>>80606084
>Depends if the missile is a doomsday weapon with 100mt worth of Uranium
The only thing even vaguely close to that yield was the Tsar Bomba, which was never deployed (in fact, all of two cases were made for it, one for the test and another for a museum). The largest yield ever put into active service were a few 20MT warheards that were hardened and designed with the intent of turning Cheyenne Mountain into Cheyenne Lake. Large yields simply don't have a place in force structures as almost no targets require that kind of yield.
they have to hit the bases in lithuania before they hit the ones in germany.
that gives the us a few minutes heads up
>>80603637
The W80 for the TLAM has been dismantled for a while.
>>80608261
What are you gonna do , start talking to us in even shorter sentences than you already do ?
