>Become a welder he said
>It's in high demand he said
>Became a welder I did
>Was hard finding a job at first it was
>Got a job TIG welding stainless steel I did
>3000$ a month starting it is
Not bad Rowe, not bad.
this better fucking be the case, I'm in school for welding right now because I didn't want to buy into the college meme and spend 4 years paying for the privilege of getting fucked in the ass by leftists
If there aren't fucking jobs I'm not gonna be happy
>>80587798
he used to be a fucking opera singer
>>80587798
>>80587943
Enjoy your automation faggots.
Hope you can reskill and be the guys babbysitting the machines that do the job you used to do.
>Go to welding school
>Get fond of stick welding and heavy duty welding
>Finish school
>TIG is the most useful
Why didnt anyone stop me?!
>>80587798
I just saw this exact post on Krautchan
what the fuck
>>80587943
In the states, there are a fuck ton of welding jobs man you don't even fucken know.
You'll be alright.
Just don't weld like this and you'll be fine.
>>80588057
>this is what college cucks actually believe
buttmad because no one hired you to recite ancient poetry you faggot?
>>80588057
wayy ahead of you, also learning robotics.
>>80588154
Fucking hate arc welding
TIG is so much nicer
>>80588154
Go to the netherlands and work in a shipyard, they need stick and fluxcore guys.
>>80588273
Huge amounts of welding operations are already automated.
>>80588511
Construction site welding is far from being automated so im safe
Other than fab shops, you can also find work at big, industrial plants, Michelin, Bridgestone, etc.
Which trade should I get into over here in BC? I have this whole HVAC thing set up but I'm really considering some other stuff.
You guys have any recommendations?
I have been considering joining the airforce tbqh.
>>80588057
Lol, Automation Engineer here. It's all true and I bank $2000 plus a week. Useless trades people will just become mindless part loaders for my machinery creations.
>>80588490
NO. FUCKING. IMMIGRANTS. ALLOWED.
>>80589630
Fake and gay. Also, good luck getting a robot to do residential electrical. Plenty of trades will be safe from automation.
>>80589967
Well of course electricians will be safe, plumbers too. But "useless trades" like welder a will be replaced.
And keep thinking this is fake and gay. I'm 33, consulted for over 7 years now and make $50 an hr regular rate.
>>80588218
>>80587798
Fuck, maybe I should get into welding.
I'll be studying HVAC in the fall.
How fucked am I?
>>80589630
>Automation Engineer here
No your not
>>80588057
How may robots you know of that weld underwater?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE4Dtl2IBJo
>>80588057
Fitup, small scale Production, ect..
>>80590466
>I'll be studying HVAC in the fall.
I'm not sure about your area, but here in NC it's a good job, but once you start your own business it's an incredible job due to the markup on installed units.
>>80588057
Our fucking trains aren't even automated. Trucking is nowhere near being automated; I doubt we even see it being fully automated in our life time.
That said, suggesting that a company is going to develop and sell a robot that can perform on job sites and offset costs to the point that it's COST EFFECIENT and the MAJORITY? For welders? No, not anytime soon.
I know it's all fancy and simplistic online, away from job sites. But in reality, we are decades and decades away. And I'm not even a welder and my job is so far removed from being replaced by a robot. I have no dog in this fight but quit being so naive.
>>80587798
Electrician sounds like a better idea. Since automation can't mess with those.
>>80588511
Place im at now buys 750k robot to weld bullshit we make production of,
took about six months to get this thing to be able to make anything, still most items need to be completely redesigned around this process, You know how much faster it is? twice as fast worth it?
>>80590466
Enjoy 140 degree attics in the summer and no work in the winter.
>>80591196
Lol
Markup is shit. The going rate for any install is $1000 US a ton. That's ANY company.
>>80591244
Electrician. HVAC. Plumber. Carpenter. Boiler rooms. Controls. I mean there are so many trades that cannot be replaced by a robot anytime soon.
We find it amazing that they've got self balancing robots and robots able to lift amazing weights. But they're nearly always hard wired. Robots will do easy, repetitive tasks, no doubt. But diagnosing a problem and using fine dexterity to fix it? The fuck out of here.
I want to learn how to weld but I don't feel like going to classes. I'm thinking about just finding some old guy that has a metal shop and see if he will teach me for a few bucks.
>>80589479
HVAC or electrical.
>>80591678
You do know the H stands for heating, right? Local company in Atlanta that I've subbed for literally has 4 guys on the road who's entire job for months on end is to perform residential PMs throughout fall and winter (really doesn't get cold down here until late December). The rest of the fleet handles CMs for residential and commercial properties.
Furnaces and heaters and steam equipment go bad just like everything else.
>>80590850
wow i cant wait to become an underwater welder and die at 40 years old due to the extreme stress that job puts on your body
>being this retarded
>tfw 3.5 years into biology degree at a liberal university but got expelled for making discriminatory comments during a diversity seminar
Just fuck my shit up senpai. I fell for the liberal sciences meme. I don't know what to do with my life, I want to get into a trade but literally don't know any related to the biological sciences
>>80587798
Welding is ok. It's slowly being automated though. Manufacturing is being replaced first. There are still jobs in it but they are getting hard to find.
The real money is in pipeline welding but you have to move around a lot and get laid off a lot too. I have seen some automation in this though.
Still it's one of the higher paying and steady careers there are.
Good on you OP, I dropped out of university when I realized It's a waste of time and am gonna start school to become an automation mechanic myself.
>>80588154
go to northern Germany's shipyards, much closer than the Netherland
i support your stupid country by buying Swedish made electrodes
>>80592154
finish ur degree elsewhere
join the military
status, bennies, pay, comraderie, you'll be able to save so much money as well
>>80592682
I meant as an officer...
>have a disability making me legally blind and unable to drive or go places and extremely painful in bright area like daytime sunlight
>live of SSD
>be basically a drain on society / nigger tier
>OPs taxes allow me to sit here and shitpost all day
Thanks OP ( sincerely )
>>80592471
That's a trade? seems like so much fun!
kind of what I expected being an engineer would be like when I was a kid, fixing cool robots n shiet.
>tfw ee major, will probably just make spreadsheets and program little shit in my career instead of tinkering with automotrons
>>80588057
Fast Brick Robotics
Welders dont actual weld anything at the more sophisticated production lines. They do it in shipyards, construction sites, etc where the bots cant go.
I dont know anyone in the trade but I hear it makes good money.
You know what? Im finishing an EE master's degree and I would love to instantly trade my knowledge (and lost time) in exchange for such a professional skill. The era of the "engineer" is fucking over. Companies only retain a few of them, usually highly experienced with many years in the company. The rest do the same work as technicians, while being less valuable at the same time, due to the lack of training and preparation. "Practical trades" are now the right way!
>>80591240
That's a good point. if you do work at a single location, you might be up for replacement. But if you're out in the field or are used in many areas, you're probably cheaper to employ than a robot.
>sitting in crew truck right now waiting for them to get here to go to work
>just became a journeyman welder about 2 weeks ago
>making 40$/h now working on a 8050 drag line fixing cracks.....
>22 years old. Lel
Alot of my Pals on jewbook are in debt up to their eye balls and I have none...
>>80593657
What car u drive
this actually seems like a viable option.
how long does the training/studying goes for?
>>80587798
>there are people on /pol/ who aren't welders
>>80588057
alot of jobs are gonna be automated, most industrial welding already is. But there will always be a place for people who glue / take apart two pieces of metal. It just isn't something that benefits from mechanical precision
>>80592051
>thinks physical labor = dying at 40
yeah we all know you want to be a worthless sack of old shit sucking every penny out of the young to keep your defunct ass alive.
>Become a welder he said
>It's in high demand he said
>Became a welder I did
>Was hard finding a job at first it was
>Got a job welding tungsten titanium steel
>350$ a month is top
Now pic related totally makes sense to me.
>it's a welding thread
>muh beads
>muh flux
Fuck off, pricks.
>>80594224
>isn't something that benefits from mechanical precision
Get a load of this fuckwit.
>>80592154
>got expelled for making discriminatory comments during a diversity seminar
>doesn't give details
What the fuck are you doing? Storytime now.
>>80587798
You're not American so you can't sign the dirty work pledge
>>80593968
V8 hemI dodge charger r/t
>>80587798
FIGHT THE POWAH
And fight the college meme. We need more skilled trades.
>>80592787
not your fault anon, it's a disability
hang in there bud
>>80594591
My man
>>80594274
How much does it cost to get drunk every day in Russia?
That will tell me how bad $350/month actually is.
>>80588218
Did someone get drunk and barf metal all over that? I've never welded and I can tell that is fucking awful.
>>80591678
>Enjoy 140 degree attics in the summer
Or be a plumber and play in shit.
But even plumbers can specialize in sprinkler installs and shit.
>>80590850
You know that underwater welders are a very small and elite percentage of welders right, and you literally have to be a fucking Navy SEAL to get into the trade and like another anon said, it's hell on your body because of decompression sickness
what you are doing is like defending taking up boxing as a career choice.
>>80594763
You?
>>80588057
There will always be a place for welders. Welding machines are usually very specialized and only cost efficient when used for mass production.
Also, not every small company can afford to make welding robots. It's a day-to-day job and you don't know beforehand what kind of work you'll get. Welding pipes of all sorts in all sorts of environments is needed for many jobs, who then proceed to contract welders to do it for them.
>>80591240
>Trucking is nowhere near being automated
m80...
>>80595045
I know a guy who used to be one, he says every year after about 5 years of doing the job is like taking 3 years off your life. His body is beat to shit too...shitty deal.
>>80594226
>thinks underwater welding is just like regular welding
>>80588057
>Enjoy your automation faggots.
You can't automate every welding need. You can only automate the repetitive ones.
If you think automation is affordable, just look up the cost of an automated welding system.
>>80594226
>he thinks the bends are just a meme
>>80594192
>There are Australian males who don't work in the mining business
Literally cuckolds, watching how other men make damn good money
>>80588057
Lol welding isn't something a robot can do...yet.
Stupid liberal arts faggot
>>80588218
kek that's either surface is too dirty, speed and heat.
Thinking about switching from electrician to carpenter lads
>>80587798
enjoy your skin cancer
>>80590293
>But "useless trades" like welder a will be replaced.
when? tomorrow?
why not become a welder and make good money for the time being?
>>80595519
I wouldn't. Now that's a shitty low-paying trade. I dunno how it is in Finland but a m8 of mine was working as a carpenter for $12/hour as a journeyman before he said fuck it and became a used car salesman.
>>80595045
actually a friend of mine worked as a welder out of school, ended up underwater for a few years by hanging out with the right folks at a bar in portland.
Saved enough to go back to school in vancouver learned computer animation and worked for a few years behind a desk fixing up wrestling mocap.
guy grew up poor, still never spent any money as a pretty well paid animator. I think he went back to portland and is working on cars.
Pic related is open root 6010 and 7018 fill and cap welds I did to become a journeyman
>>80588057
Honestly, welders are definitely not in that category of easy to automate due to the flexibility in what a welder has to to do and observe. In the same way that most repairmen themselves are relatively safe from automation due to the wide variety of tasks they'll have to account for.
>>80595154
It realistically isn't. Do you have a flying car yet?
>>80588057
automatization will soon be banned for causing mental stagnation
>>80588057
>he doesn't want to do anything with his life because everything will just become automated anyway
Grandest of keks, enjoy your NEET life.
>>80595415
>ABB hasn't been building welding robots since the 1990s
wew
>trades aren't in high demand at all here
>the starting salary is always minimum wage
I fucking loathe this country. The only jobs in demand seem to be in restauration, services, sales, mall cops, and wiping old people' asses. For minimum wage, of course.
>>80596083
FUCKKKK NOT IM GETTING WLEDER"S FLASH U FUCKIG CUNRT
>>80595748
Yeah pay would be significantly less and ano its not on skilled trade shortage list in can/aus so guess i need to stick with wires.
Just like building stuff out of wood more than Playing around with cables
>>80587798
I learned that stuff in high school. I know MIG and TIG. And I'm now studying mechanical engineering. Our high schools aren't like yours, can you become technician for mechatronics through high school?
>>80596123
Pretty sure france is now a tourist destination now. That's what feel like what it has become as an outsider
How do I become a certified welder?
>>80596123
Be sure to get more """refugees""" to fill those jobs too!
>>80594823
Around 3-4$, if you wanna get wasted as fuck.
>>80595154
We're still over a decade away from series-production of fully automated trucks. That's not a number I'm pulling out of my ass, that's from Daimler.
>>80596314
$350 sounds a lot more reasonable then..
>>80587798
The whole point to dirty jobs was that you didn't have to get a college degree to have a good job. Education does happen for these jobs, yes starting out sucks because low man on totem pole. But... The reward from having this skill and experience is what makes it worthwhile.
I'm a heavy equipment mechanic. I have a degree in applied sciences. Its not some glorious job. But honesty in humble work that brings happiness is much better than stressing out in a position where you are stuck dealing with the nonsense of a toxic environment.
I've worked in a factory and let me say, making a decent wage in a world where people have a sense of humor, thick skin and calling someone on their bull shit while helping you is a comradery the office space will never understand.
Anyways, a trade is a specialist in that field but that doesn't make them uneducated. Taking a lower paying job doesn't make them worth less. Sometimes those get you in a position to become even better.
Most importantly, what matters is you are happy doing what you do for a living.
DAILY REMINDER TO BECOME A TRADESMAN YOU ARE A PROBLEM SOLVER.
That's what tradesman are. They are skilled and are able to get the job done.
>>80587798
>Go to uni
>Get STEMeme degree
>Lol no jobs
>Did websites as a hobby, look for jobs online
>100 job offers, no degree required
>200k and I'm just getting started.
Everything went better than expected.
>>80596281
this.
basically what are the steps from being a neet with zero job experience to someone who works in the field?
>>80596123
Just go on strike during a period of national crisis. Aka blackmail your employer.
>>80589479
You can make damn god pay going electrical right now
>>80597373
Start out as a labourer in a shop and then put in hours until you're offered an apprenticeship or show them that you want to become a welder, just takes time and some hard work
>>80587798
That's on the low end too OP, when you get experience there are a lot of opportunities in welding overseas.
>>80597627
Also, Stick to heavy fabrication if you want to bring in the bucks.
>tfw you took bullshit electives like art class instead of shop class in high school
Im currently studying for a law degree but the life of a blue-collar worker seems so much better imo.
>As long as you aren't shit at your job you'll have work
>Banter with the lads, no scare of misgendering a closet-tranny
>Demand keeps growing because of millennials like me
Yeah I will probably make more in the end but I'm not sure the constant asskissing, stressing and seeing my promotion getting stolen by a close relative of my boss and dropping demand is worth it. If I can't get a job here I'm fucked, a welder could just go to another country.
Atleast I don't have to work with niggers.
>>80587798
watch the skin cancer there, canuk
>>80597538
I don't want to come over as a snob but I'm an electrical engineering senior student. I think welding is an excellent skill to have but there has be a different approach to learn how to weld than starting out as a shit shoveller.
>>80588057
So you are the guy that welders bitch out and call incompetent when the robot fucks up a simple weld and they have to grind it out and fix it by hand?
How does it feel to be shit on by MIG welders, people basically paid to operate a hot glue gun.
>>80598068
>tfw no such option exists here
>>80588218
I know nothing about welding and even I can tell something is wrong with that...
>>80587798
God, there are so many fucking salty neets in this thread getting angry over the fact that you got a job.
>>80587943
Ad-hoc welding jobs won't be taken over by robots for a long time. Also, welder a for large ship constructors make very good money.
>>80591279
It won't ask for a raise.
It won't complain and bitch.
It won't call in sick when it's kid is sick.
It might break down every now and then, but with decent maintenance it's possible it'll have less "sickdays" than a human.
Welcome to the future.
>fall for STEM meme
>4 years go by
>Ahh this field was only useful from 96-06
Thinking of killing myself for being so stupid desu senpai.
>>80587798
But he's holding a cutting torch.
You should try welding with oxygen OP, and stand real close to the tank.
>>80599995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiLeji8bLOk
>>80594763
>>80594591
>ITT blue collar plebs
Enjoy stress related injuries and dying at 75
>>80598068
>Tfw dad was the shop teacher at my high school and I know all the tradeskill things.
>Tfw a useless NEET anyway.
>>80600821
>ITP white collar pleb.
Enjoy stress related mental illness and dying at 75.
>>80587943
While it's good to learn to weld, and if trade school is your only option you should do it, no place will appreciate it (from what I've seen). Don't flaunt you went to school and admit you still don't know shit and you'll be alright.
ITT people who think welding happens only in factory settings where robots could be used.
>>80600379
neat
>work with a carpenter and electrician and a plumber while in college in order to pay my bills
>also work as a tutor for other students
>students always pay upfront and are fun to teach and occassianlly cute girls pay me with lousy blowjobs
>construction work is dirty and tiring and generally pay is either 6 months later than it was supposed to be or never comes because the home owner spent all their insurance money on booze
>>80596083
ABB a shit.
We've been using their inverters for our solar systems for a while now and a lot of their shit is doa. What isn't doa has a 20% chance to fail in a year. On to of that, their rma and warranty system blows
>>80587985
he used to be a salesman for QVC.
>>80588218
I've done better with a car battery, jumper cables and an coat hanger on the trail.
>>80592787
write shitty romance novels and self publish them on amazon. there are plenty of fat broads that have done this and gotten bank.
>>80587798
>>Was hard finding a job at first it was
how did you do it?
The same "5+ years of experience required" for shit like tacking
>>80591708
Less experienced commercial divers briefly feared ROVs taking our jerbs in the 90's. Some divers became ROV pilots thinking they were getting ahead of the inevitable.
Outside of oil companies looking at their bottom line, divers are still very much needed and damned-near irreplaceable.
>>80604746
Quentin Veslovious Cox???
>>80598068
my shop teacher was fucking terrible. I learned more about how cars work from my cousins, who are car thieves in a weekend than i did in 4 years of shop.
>>80587943
My neighbor specialized in underwater welding. He lived in Connecticut, and the oil companies would fly him out to the rigs in the ocean.
He worked 4 months a year.
>>80595045
>and you literally have to be a fucking Navy SEAL to get into the trade
I sure hope you don't believe this. Maybe on the unionized east coast. In the Gulf of Mexico, before Obama, that wasn't the case. Good underwater welders were few and far between, yes, but lots of okay to mediocre to downright bad ones existed. Every swinging dick from every dive school learns how to strike an arc underwater unless your dive school is shit.
>>80587798
>go to university
>7 years of nofun, every possible extracurricular activity, moot courts, mock trials, student law review, sports
>90+ hours a week
>hired while still writing my dissertation
>get my doctorate
>set for life
Worth it.
>study what you love they said
>major in history
>minor in philosophy
>no work for a long time in full blown NEET-mode
>hired as an "Ethical Counselor" for the Legislative Affairs department of my local government
>$52k salary
>Share an office with five other Counselors from different departments
>we're all young white males with philosophy degrees
>we all got hired at the same time
>nobody ever talks to us
>none of us know what we're supposed to be doing
>shitpost on our respective websites all day and buy shit from Amazon
>been five months with little to no contact from anybody else in the government
>at work right now goofing around on /pol/
I dread the day pic related happens but for now college has really worked out for me.
>>80604746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE-IPRlUhGg
>>80606083
I know a guy who went to uni with me, who got hired as a security consultant for our government. We had dinner a month or so ago and he told me about how he's been sitting in a huge office, completely alone for the last 13 months.
Once he got told via e-mail to remind the other employees to change their passwords according to the guidelines so he forwarded that mail.
And that's it. You're probably scapegoats in a pen, waiting for something to happen, just like I suspect he is.
>>80587798
For anyone interested, I got training as a commercial diver way back when at this state school system and though I'm in a different field altogether today, I owe a large portion of where I am now with the oil field.
In-state applicants get discounted rates, out of state applicants have different rates but these are still good fields with good pay after you pay your dues.
http://www.scl.edu/
Specifically: http://www.scl.edu/index.cfm?md=pagebuilder&tmp=home&nid=156&pnid=0&pid=58
The training listed below has a very slim chance of being automated in the future.
Diesel Powered Equipment Technology
Auto Mechanic (low end of mechanic scale unless you get a job with Audi or Mercedes or something)
Industrial Instrumentation
Industrial Maintenance
Process Production Technology (Gulf of Mexico)
Process Technology (General)
>>80606083
I sometimes wish I worked for the US government and got high enough security clearance to see for myself just how deep in abrahamic shit we are.
>>80587798
So is welding a memejob or genuinely a great thing to get proficient in?
Im in university now but Ive figured out multiple semesters ago that I hate it. Its depressing though because I really dont know what else to do with myself that will eventually land me a decent job. Should I genuinely look into welding? Is it reasonably fulfilling and paying?
>>80589479
With the housing boom electrical I suppose. Stay away from chemical related shit (I'm chem eng and I can tell you the market is shit)
>>80599451
>It won't ask for a raise.
Unless you are a workshy cunt, neither will people
>It won't complain and bitch.
Unless you´re a woman, you won´t have this issue either.
>It won't call in sick when it's kid is sick.
Let the wife take care of it and get to work.
>It might break down every now and then, but with decent maintenance it's possible it'll have less "sickdays" than a human.
Take an ibuprofen and you´ll be fine, you dont need a sick day.
>>80606806
What are you taking? Is it STEM? If you're doing some random arts shit reconsider your options. At least if your in Germany you're not paying for it...
>>80595928
>automated cars currently on the road
>compares automated trucks to flying cars
seriously?
I just want a job. Any kind of job. I dropped out of university because I couldn't finish my master thesis and a couple of other assignments I didn't hand in. Now I'm shut-in neet living with my mother and I'm too autistic to even apply for welfare bucks. If I could tell my past self something it would be to just learn a trade and get a regular job.
>>80606765
Even at the local level shit is fucked. We at least get CC'd on almost every email chain so we get to watch all of the interworkings. I think we're supposed to be looking for unethical conduct but nobody is going to complain about an inefficient ethics committee lol.
The town does all of these fundraisers, they'll put up a petting zoo in the park or throw some concert, and they don't really distinguish where the proceeds go. They let charities set up booths outside so it looks altruistic, but people have to actually donate to the charities with the representatives, and the actual proceeds from the events themselves and from shit like tickets just goes into this massive pot. It isn't exactly illegal or unethical but very misleading, especially since they advertise all of these things as charity events. It's one of the wealthiest towns in the entire country btw. They throw around MILLIONS of dollars on the most inconsequential shit while our roads are full of potholes. The township just spent 19 MILLION DOLLARS on this massive fountain for the shopping center that shoots water to the beat of several songs that they also paid to licence. The big Christmas tree for the shopping center was THREE MILLION DOLLARS. It amazes me how they throw money into all of this goofy shit while the water fountains at the parks are full of rust. I also got to see the PR fallout after this guy choked his wife to death on the Frisbee golf course, how they were going to minimize loss, totally inhuman and detached.
Also the local Republican party committee launders money through our parks department through these exorbitant balls that they throw at the parks.
Very crazy. I might run for district committeeman next year for shits n giggles.
>>80607251
> Is it STEM? If you're doing some random arts shit reconsider your options.
Its not very useful, lets just leave it at that. Nothing of it will be missed, I won't regret leaving it. The problem is more that I don't know where else to go, I want to do something practical, but I don't want to be some minimum wage pleb for the rest of my life. Welding sounds reasonably enjoyable, but all these people saying its a great paying job sounds too fantastical to be true.
>if your in Germany you're not paying for it...
Am I missing something? I have to transfer Semestergebühren at the beginning of every semester, though it isn't much anyways.
>>80587798
>$3000 dollars a month
>$10 dollars a day
Literally less than minimum wage. Trade jobs are a meme.
Should have taken STEM
>>80606998
>Unless you´re a woman, you won´t have this issue either.
Guys today are not guys 15 years ago. Hell, guys 15 years ago are not guys 20 years ago. As an oldfag who went from oilfield to office the differences are night and day. "Guys" today are bitchy, moody, cliquish, catty and have all their hair due to lack of testosterone and increased estrogen.
Men offshore are funny but direct and when they want you gone from a job, there is no muss or fuss, you're simply gone. If there is a problem, you are told about it. Sure, the stinky guy gets some jokes told about him but it isn't the level of woman-like catty that I find in the office today.
I've watched co-workers gleefully discuss details about the upcoming firing of another employee when he wasn't in the room. Gleefully, like cackling witch gleeful. For this "tolerant" breed of millennial we were supposed to believe exists, they sure will rip each other to shreds behind each others backs.
>>80607864
>recommends STEM
>Can't divide by 30
ishygddt
>>80587798
nice
depends where you live also
near me we make submarines and those guys make good money
Any surveyor bros here? I'm currently a surveyor in the Air Force and I'm getting tired of the military bullshit. How are the salaries? I don't trust indeed or other 'estimate' websites.
I fucking love surveying since it stimulates muh numbers and muh accuracy.
>>80607864
>American education
How's Potato High treating you, tard?
>>80587798
I sell to welding shops and fabricators, please don't get into welding anons
>>80608049
>>80608176
I realize my mistake.
Trade jobs are still a meme.
Have fun not being able to afford a $100,000 house and being stuck in a dead end job.
>>80607896
>complains about how the current generation can't handle banter
>isn't able to handle new age banter
weW
>>80607896
And that's when when you were supposed to bumrush their circlejerk and with disgust tell them all they are bunch of faggoty cowards. It is also your task to bitchslap some man into them.
>>80608341
Trade jobs are the ultimate red-pill
I'm saying that as a statistician.
my brother is a electrician and he is more of a man then i will ever be. working with your hands, outside, fucking red-pilled as shit.
>>80608341
>not afford a $100,000 house
I've been in my trade for 9 years. My house is worth well over $100,000 (mortgage underwriters always perform estimates, after all) judging by nearby comps. I've actually made $15,000 in equity in the last year based solely on the housing market. Yeah, I know that's liable to change but fuck it, as long as my assessed tax value doesn't change I'll take it.
Anyways, my wife doesn't work and we've got a kid with one on the way. I'm not broke, have enough money to support us, and I make sure to put 10% a month into retirement. I fell for the 401k meme!
But yeah, stop being butt hurt that others are doing well.
>>80594091
NO. YOU JOIN IDF AND REMOVE KEBAB FROM WEST BANK NOW
>>80608117
Civil Eng here. Surveying is a nice profession. I'm not sure what they're making here but I'd guess $60kish.
>>80608612
>home
>$100k
It must be nice to live in dumbfuckistan. Single family homes here start at $500k (unless they are in the ghetto)
>>80589630
>Automation Engineer
Well, Robotics Ph.D. here. Enjoy your future of wanking when the diagnosis-repair automation loop gets closed.
>>80588170
There's another 4chan? 0_0
>>80608748
How's civil? The one's I work with in the military are retards, but most people in general who join are.
I basically have free college anyways, so I might as well get a degree in something STEMy
>>80608341
Mate, my house is built to spec and cost around 600k not counting the land.
>>80588154
You can make a lot of money at TIG if you wanna repair propellers.
If you're hot shit at stick, join up with the pilebucks. If you don't mind shitty weather in desolate locations, prevailing wage and thirty hours of overtime, piledriving is lots of fun and rewarding work.
>>80608869
He probably lives in based Texas. Texas homes are quite cheap and affordable. Right now a 3 bedroom house with two bathrooms cost around 100,000 collars.
>>80609029
Dollars*
>>80587943
do underwater welding, nigga. shit is cash
>>80608937
lurk moar newcunt
Speaking of trades, any HVAC anons here? I hear it's in demand but hearing that for 2 years there's bound to be a few people getting into it now and I'm sure it is getting filled, what are the most important things I should keep in mind going into it? Should I do a 2 year program for a better certificate? Or rush through a 1 year and go straight into apprentice?
My dad says he can hook me up once I get out but just in case that doesn't work I'd like to have a backup plan.
>>80587798
3000 Canadian pesos a month? 36 large a year? I guess that's ok if you have no debt but neither will much-higher-earning loancucks after 10 years.
>>80595045
>You know that underwater welders are a very small and elite percentage of welders right, and you literally have to be a fucking Navy SEAL to get into the trade and like another anon said, it's hell on your body because of decompression sickness
You can literally go to schools on the Gulf Coast to become an underwater welder.
Christ, they're capable, but do you think a SEAL with BUD/S training is going to settle for underwater welding? No, if they aren't trying to pimp themselves out to the media (I know one who shopped scripts in Hollywood before giving up and becoming a film school teacher, plenty write shitty books or become motivational speakers), if they're not consulting to mercenary companies like whatever Blackwater's renamed itself to today, then they're probably doing underwater demolition.
>>80589630
I operated a welding robot and CNC plasma cutting table robot.
They were amazing machines that could do a shit ton of work but they needed to be babysat like crazy, they will never be able to load themselves with materials or enter their program.They also can't calibrate themselves very well, and they can't change their operating head parts at all.
They're basically idiot savants that will always need someone to operate them, they are no more than fancy jigs. They also need to be recalibrated all the time, otherwise they will spit out fucked up parts and waste material (your job is to make sure that doesn't happen).
>>80609483
>whatever Blackwater's renamed itself to today
Academi, I believe.
Central Texas welder here. Have several trade school program certifications, Associate in welding, D1.1 3G FCAW, D1.1 3G SMAW, 6G on 2 in carbon TIG, 6G 12in schd 80 SMAW. Deans list for 2 years straight. 4 letter of recommendations. Applied online like I had for previous jobs and got 0 responses for 5 months. Went to a temp agency only to receive a sweat shop job with a bunch of Spanish speaking Mexicans. They don't even let me use a hood and I tack all day on 26ga using sili bronze wire. Safety doesn't exist here. $10/hr.
I went to welding because I heard it was great for introverts. Am I really supposed to go shop to shop and ask if they are hiring?
OP is a liar.
Nowhere in Canada does any form of welding other than aluminum start anywhere near 3k a month.
>>80608612
>get trade job
>can't find work, no one needs a welder when they're fucking everywhere
>stuck in dead in job for 20 years
>get replaced by a robot
>can't even go upstairs because my back and knees are weak from years of toil
Trade Jobs are the fucking best.
>>80608937
>being this new
>>80609728
Kek. Computer science here and I earn 16 an hour at my internship as a software developer. I got an email one day about a job opportunity and followed up on it, and got the job immediately. I'm not even out of college.
>become an engineer they said
>there is a huge skill/age gap they said
manufacturing in this country is dead and buried
>>80609105
Google dysbaric bone necrosis, there's a reason they pay underwater welders and offshore divers so much.
>>80588286
>>80588057
yep, 3rd year eng project for automation. Shit is surprisingly easy. Replacing humans one step at a time
>>80608557
Actually I lectured them about problem-resolution, team work and morale after that. Keep in mind I'm the "newest" hire. So, yes, I did but my age gives me the tact to call them women in a very nice way.
>>80606252
>Noah's Ark bag
>Removable animals and Noah
What the fuck is wrong with americans?
>>80609271
As a fellow HVAC anon doing a two year program at trade school I think the two year is probably better desu. I mean i needed the two year experience because of not knowing anything of the trade before going in.
>blue collar job
>Christian
>white
>based
This checks out.
>>80608341
Oh I'm fine with "banter," when it isn't a bunch of estrogen-laden men acting like women. You may be fine with this newer, softer, controlled male psyche of which I disapprove but that's America. Soft, feminine guys defend soft, feminine guys.
>>80608341
I'm a journeyman painter with a 320,000 house. Our business manager is going to retire by the end of next year, and I'm in line for his 150k/year job with an expense account.
So anyways, how do you like this year's new PowerPoint ?
>>80608937
>There's another 4chan?
We even got a fucking streaming room that usaully has good number of people in it at once. Hell, even /pol/ has a streaming room.
Oh I nearly forgot about /k/ radio
>>80608869
I live in metro-Atlanta. 2 acre lot in a 2,000 sq foot house. I can't help it our housing market and economy are shitting all over the rest of the US right now. Fuck, even our protests/police just shit all over everyone else.
>>80609880
Tradesman does not mean welder. Hundreds of trades, not all are ball busting. Just remember, anon, specialization pays. I had enough sense to fully map out a career map 9 years ago. I would have loved to do commercial electrical work - the best place on Earth to work is at a renovation construction site with AC - but I figured I needed to be a bit less dispensable to really command money in such a short period of time. I still do low voltage work so I guess I satisfy some of that desire.
Anyways, I rarely work outside. I was actually in a building for the last week sweating my balls off because there was no AC and outside temps were 90+ with 60% humidity. That was the hardest I've worked in I don't know how long. Definitely an outlier, however.
If physical labor and working out doors isn't your cup of tea, there are plenty of other avenues. Good bantz with good colleagues, the salt of the Earth, and you can make damn good money and go home and fuck a 10/10 with big tits.
>>80607451
Did I post this and forget?
>with my mother
Oh yeah, that's not me. I live with other relatives, otherwise pretty much exactly the same (Bachelor in bullshit).
like any trade, welding is usually in demand in most places
especially if you can specialize in a certain application
trades are not a meme
>>80595430
>kek that's either surface is too dirty, speed and heat.
No, its distance. Too far away does that
Source: Harbor Freight welder's "How are you fucking up" card.
Speed = too fat or thin
Heat(high) = looks like lava
Heat(low) = fat log just sitting on top of the metal
Dirty = Don't waste our time, why the fuck didn't you clean it you lazy bastard?
>>80609029
The fuck? Cheap af houses, guns, no mudslimes. Can i come?
>>80610359
that sounds good, I'm in the same boat - not knowing much about the job at all aside from what I researched. Did you enter in an apprenticeship once you were done?
>>80588218
The leaf with a disgraceful weld. Seriously.
>>80595415
Robots have limits. Sensors, surface irregularity, and probably a million other things render them shitty for anything that's not mass produced. Robots are like the Chinese: they can shit cheaply but they've got no creativity.
>>80587798
Aerospace Titanium TIG welder here. If you are willing to learn how to work with new materials, welding is a very lucrative career. Started with stainless and aluminum, moved on to more exotic metals after a few years, now weld almost strictly grade 3 and 5 Titanium parts for the military along with a random nuclear cert job here and there. If you aren't making about $60-100K after 3-5 years of welding, you are either not advancing in your skills, or you just suck and got stuck in a production MIG job at a shipyard of fab shop.
Don't ever stop getting certifications. Get as many as you can, and soon you will be invaluable to the company you work for.
Also, congrats on the job anon!
>>80587798
>3000$ a month starting it is
But that's not very much.
>>80595948
>automatization will soon be banned for causing mental stagnation
No it won't. New stuff will come around unless liberal faggot luddites get in the way. Its just that you don't realize how many things would exist, but don't, because of the lack of automation.
>>80611106
There aren't any jobs around me that don't require 3-5 years experience
How do I get around that?
I'm a welder/fabricator by trade, is there any working visas in the US for tradesmen? Wouldn't mind living and working in the US for a year or so.
>$3000/month
So enough to rent half a cuckshed in Chinanada
>>80611360
Thanks for reminding me.
Hey goys I'm gonna be a seabee in the Navy, do you guys think I'll have some shit lined up after the Navy for trade school if I play my cards right and get all the certs I can?
>>80593657
>Alberta cost of living
Meh $40 ain't that great. You could honestly do better
>>80609880
This is the NEETest excuse to not work a real job here.
Out of college I couldn't find a job pertaining to my degree. I ended up in a precast factory, finishing precast concrete boxes. I was making $40k/y. If I stayed there I could of easily been making ~$100k right now.
I kept making free websites on the side and buffed up my portfolio enough that I'm in NYC now making $150k/y.
I'm 32 now and starting to think about starting a family. Took me 9 years to finally be financially comfortable.
VS
All my friends that ditched college and started trade jobs out of high school. Who are working on their 2nd and 3rd kid and own houses right now.
My father just retired at 60, worked trade his whole life. Now he's living it up in Florida and going in on mutual funds with me.
>>80611084
It depends where you live
I'm a cable guy that makes 3000$ per month after taxes
-rent is 600$ including internet and heating/electricity
-no debts, no children
-basically have 2000$ of spending money per month, just bought a 70" 4k tv last week
I feel kinda rich tbph
>>80611259
Did you have a specific field in mind?
>tfw I got into a school that was jsut 1 year long and afterwards I would be a process operator
>this could have been my life for the last few years
>working in some cozy industry job
>making pretty good money
But im too much of a socially awkward little twerp that I chickened out and rejected the program
now i've been a NEET for the last few years and im gonna start university as a Webbprogrammer this fall for 2 years.
>i'm 26
>i've fucked up my life
>now i've fallen for the STEM
>probably wont get a job after this
>could have been making good money these last few years
i'll probably just kill myself soon though, what is the point
>>80596123
>I fucking loathe this country. The only jobs in demand seem to be in restauration, services, sales, mall cops, and wiping old people' asses. For minimum wage, of course.
that's what you get for becoming a "multicultural" hegemonic empire with a massive supply of colonials who try harder than you ever will even with a fraction of the resources raising/educating them. Then your government gets to pick the best ones and let them take the good jobs.
And you faggots keep aborting your kids because you think that only a millionare can afford to raise kids well meanwhile Ungara from[insert French "former" colony] lived on shitty food, walked to a school with 19th century rooms(chalkboard, etc), lived in a shanty and studdied with old French textbooks, and now works as a scientist making more than you ever will. Meanwhile, the upper-middle-class family's only child(that was allowed to live) just hung herself after being made fun of by immigrants for being an ugly cunt.
Yeah, I bet you didn't realize that sending "aid" to Africa and "totally not colonizing" those "countries" is a lot easier when you use leftism to kill off your native population while importing people not fucked by liberals to do the important jobs and then send money back intellegently to invest in the "former" colony. Yeah, you're expendable frenchie because you're not allowed to invade that colony and take over plus no one in France who has any power wants YOU, ya filthy rat, competing, succeeding, and possibly even *gasp* CHANGING the status quo.
Enjoy the """democracy""" because YOU voted for THIS.
>>80588057
look at all the (You)s this guy has
some salty buttmad faggots in here are mad because the truth hurts
>>80588057
>Having no idea what welding is the post
>>80607896
>having hair makes you less of a man
Lmao
Pipe fitting is where it's at
Can't automate that
>>80606765
>I sometimes wish I worked for the US government and got high enough security clearance to see for myself just how deep in abrahamic shit we are.
You'll just get the Yellow pill and realize that Neo never left the simulation. Boring, right?
>>80591833
I met this pretty cool guy on a bus trip who did something like that, went to some business where he had a friend or two working.
They had him start on really shitty, simple things with no pay until he proved himself. He turned out to be really good at it until he had some altercation with the police and got his knee blown off. Never told me that story.
>>80587943
>>80587798
You have at least a decade of jobs left.
The fast tracking mechanized weaponry for the coming NWO before all other jobs get replaced. They do not want to deal with soldiers turning on their overlords.
>>80587798
Wait till price of oil picks back up and youll be making a killing in the Tar Sands soon enough.
>>80587798
Good job leaf
>>80606765
Security clearance doesn't mean you get access to anything at that clearance level dude
You get to see whatever is relevant to your job and that's it
>>80588218
you may what to turn up your wire speed and hold a closer arc there junior
>>80587798
Sounds like a fucking Irish drinking song.
>>80588057
Manual labor jobs like wielders and electricians will be the last to be fully automated dumbass. It will jobs like accounting and IT that will go first
>>80587943
>people go to school for welding
NIGGER
PUT THE FUCKING TORCH END TO THE METAL
LET IT MELT AND WELD TOGETHER
A FUCKING RETARD COULD DO IT
WHAT THE FUCK
>tfw grandfather was highly skilled HVAC technician who worked for phillips 35 years ago but had a stroke and lost his knowledge and abilities then choked to death while my bitch of a grandmother force fed him a grilled cheese sandwich
almost every male on my father's side of the family was in the HVAC business, grandfather didn't think my dad had the skill so he didn't teach him and I dont have a good relationship with my dad's cousins/uncles
>>80587798
>not working in finance
Enjoy the goyim life
>>80611164
Well, keeping Blacks out of the economy is one example of the effects of stopping "job killers". We wouldn't have all this liberal bullshit that literally exists just to keep Blacks either poor, dead, or out of the way.
And you thought organic food was loved by liberal fags out of genuine health concerns and not just as a way of feeling superior to "those idiots who fill themselves up with GMOs and Toxins, from the big corporations who care about nothing but profits blah blah blah"
Every time liberals bitch about corporations or "the gun lobby", just replace those terms with "Blacks" and liberalism makes a whole lot more sense. If its about abortion, then replace "poor women" with Blacks and you get the real point.
Pic semi related. Tans are right about being "Kings and Shit" since many/most are descendents of Master/slave lovechilds due to the manumission slavery of the North and Old South where slave women only got to fuck their masters.
So yeah, the Tan-skinned cunt claiming to speek for Blacks is a descendent of "Kings n Shit"; you know, like [insert names of random British/European kings]. Fucking evil Tans.
>>80608653
>implying he won't weld armored vehicles to remove kebab
pls lad
>>80611913
>Webbprogrammer
If you just half-ass being a programmer you will not get employed. If you go full in, working on programming and learning in your free time and become good, you will be earning SEK60 000/month in no time.
Programming is one of those fields where only the top 30% or so make it. Given your NEET background you probably will not make it.
>>80606083
>we're all young white males with philosophy degrees
>we all got hired at the same time
>nobody ever talks to us
>none of us know what we're supposed to be doing
I don't believe that you're white. That's a diversity job to meet AA quotas.
Welder is shit tier. No salary would cover your health you are paying with.
>>80612833
So, genius, where's the fucking "TORCH END" on my cheap-ass arc welder? Also, how does your guide deal with the fact that the stick would stick to the metal if I did what you said(assuming I took all the unmentioned steps like turning the thing on)?
Shit, If I was at the farm right now(no internet), I'd be tempted to make a video of me trying to follow your "instructions"
If you go to anything but a tradeschool in America, expect to be in debt working at some shit hole, unless you have friends who can get you a job somewhere.
If you go to a tradeskill, expect a few months of hunting and probably some sort of BS apprenticeship before getting a very decent paycheck.
If you do neither then shit sucks for you, friend.
>>80588154
TIG is most risky though, we dont know the long term effect of the radiation it produces on human body
>>80611080
I'm MiG welding at a fab shop making airplane hanger doors and I feel like there's nowhere to go
My boss is unwilling or unable to help me with certifications and there's really nothing decent to climb to in western PA
I feel like I'm stuck
>>80613646
TYPE IT INTO YOUR LITTLE GOOOGLEBOX ON YOUR PHONE
WATCH A 3 MINUTE VIDEO ON HOW TO DO THAT SHIT
WHO THE FUCK NEEDS TO SPEND $600 A CREDIT FOR 2 YEARS TO LEARN HOW TO DO THIS SHIT
WHAT THE FUCK
>>80588154
GTAW is not most useful, its limited yo aluminium, SMAW is most useful and diverse applications, get fucked tard
>>80587943
If there are no welding jobs near you once you graduate and you are white. Move to western Washington and get a job in a port working on boats. We never can have enough welders here plus you get fresh salty air instead of industrial smog.
>>80587798
>Go to school for Enviro Sci
>Network in the oil and gas industry during school in hopes of getting a job
>Have great summer jobs doing Enviro research for energy companies.
>Graduate
>Canadian Oil Industry has kicked the bucket
>Fuck
>Get job with gov as a staffer for an MPP
>get paid to 55K a year to write IRL shitposting banter for my MPP
Turned out alright I guess
bruh you shoulda become a PMC and kill nigs and bokos
>$700k contract 2 years
>>80587798
>losing eye sight in less then a decade
Yeah no
>>80612833
Implying "melting two prices of metal together" is how welding is done. Non welder confirmed
>>80608869
>tfw live in absurd real estate market
>tfw buy a foreclosed condo at post-crash 2011 price
>tfw house bought for $250k is now worth more than $500k
Is being a firefighter a good job guys?
I'm an electrical engineering technician and do soldering, does that count?
It's like micro-welding, sorta. Literally you solder under a microscope. Fun as fuck.
>>80614447
Not if you practice safe techniques
>>80611771
>Rent is $600 including internet and utilities
>$600
>including utilities
What part of bumfuckistan do you live?
>>80588218
jesus I was better than that when I was 14
I could probably separate those plates by hand
>>80614527
Way to put random shit in quotes and imply that's what I said.
>>80614407
Oh yeah? Where do I apply?
>>80614627
I'm a volunteer firefighter and the fact I can do the job for free is a sign to me it's rewarding and enjoyable. You have to have an incredibly selfless attitude tho and enjoy helping people to keep up the motivation.
>>80614707
That's what you said pleb, just not verbatim. Any other things I can help you with sport?
