Why do so many people here hate globalism?
Free trade leads to better goods and services
Ok
>>80581754
wtf I love free trade now
>>80581754
Why do you talk about globalism and then focus only on some economic factor as if it entails all of globalism?
>>80581754
And islam
thanks for leading me straight OP I'm now #withher
>>80581754
No it doesn't. There's a reason everything we buy is made out of cheap shit
>>80581754
For who?
At what cost?
>>80582034
Because he is a faggot kike from London.
>>80581754
here here to free trade chaps!
do you have any more?
I don't oppose Western cooperation at all. globalism of course is the evil, nation-states have to be there. They are the essence of our culture and freedom. Not even racist. Just against Islam, Judaism, low-skill low-IQ migration and mass migration. I'm all for the Western cooperation. Disregard the flag, Swede abroad.
>>80581754
Pshhht your country recently fucked itself over by leaving one of the biggest trade organization because 52% of your country are red haired inbred retards
I'm now a #Cruzmissile
>>80581754
fuck off you shill
>>80581754
>Free trade leads to better goods and services
Not as long as some countries have environmental protections and labour laws in place while other countries that don't still impose tariffs.
Because you are filthy whore?
>>80582259
>trade organization
>>80582259
>yfw those Fiats, Peugeots, BMWs, and VWs running around England end up being replaced by Hyundais, Toyotas, Nissans, and Lexuses
>>80581754
>globalism
>free trade
>need ten thousand page trade agreements
What the globalists are pushing Is controlled trade. Globalism as an ideal is very different than the globalists and what they are trying to establish. Purposefully deindustrializing America and pretty much every other white country to create a permanent slave population dependant on the government labeled as a precariate isn't free trade. Creating a world government ran by continental unions of unelected bureaucrats to milk the people while flooding the country with mass immigration of stone age idiots isn't a good thing for the people of any country.
>>80582235
What the fuck is wrong with her hair? Fucking gross. It looks like she smeared some glue on her head and then used it mop up the floor in a barbershop
>white whore women
>goods and services
You aren't wrong, in a twisted sort of way. My good Jew Friend.
>>80581754
>better goods and services
You don't need to import millions of shitskins, enslave yourself to communist jewish banking cabals or fight unjust wars in the ME to get better goods and services.
>>80582259
It's not a trade organization. It's a genocidal anti-European Jewish supremacist project. Here some from the book of the one of founders of the EU:
"The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. ...
Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit. This happened at the moment when Europe's feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish emancipation."
oi id shag those slags if ya fancy my pardon ey lads
>>80582621
That's the way women's of African descent hair are. She is one hell of a gorgeous and proud Swedish subject, you can't deny that.
We could have more favorable trade agreements. Trade agreements are highly complex legal agreements. You can believe in free trade and want to change many of our agreements. Trump is the closest candidate to this. MAGA.
>>80581754
>(((Free Trade)))
There's nothing free about it. It's a government sanctioned and taxed exchange operating under laws written by unelected bureaucrats who were appointed by politicians whose campaign funds come from the same corporations that benefit from these orchestrated "free trade" deals.
>>80582776
Source?
>>80582885
he's probably gay anon
the last thing an olympic athlete is thinking about when competing is how cute they look or how their hair is done
>>80582885
It's supposed to be that straight and thin and her hairline is supposed to start at the top of her head?
Globialism makes people less patriotic, like those cucks who consider themselves European rather than the nationality of the country they're from.
>>80581754
I'm not against globalism
I'm against the evil kikes version of globalism that they are forcing on us.
>>80582972
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi#Views_on_race_and_religion
http://www.westernspring.co.uk/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-the-genocide-of-the-peoples-of-europe/
>>80582958
This post shall remain underrated for the entirety of the thread.
GUYS PLEASE
>one post by this ID
>>80582972
Look up Richard Kalegi. You are in for a quite an intellectual journey. Eliot Rodger - The Politician
>>80581754
>shhhh!
Hush now, young sjw.
don't trouble your mind with all these complicated matters.
daddy will take care of everything, the scary things won't hurt you.
>all "They" ask in return is COMPLETE servitude
>>80581754
>Free trade leads to better goods and services
Hardly by any substantial measure; meanwhile it destroys culture, family values, corrupts governments, funds terrorism, and exacerbates the destruction of civil rights. The costs are in the extreme compared to the economic benefits - which altogether are questionable to begin with when it's only the globalists themselves chest beating about them.
The only people who care for and want globalism, are those to whom money is literally everything.
Globalism has only weakened my country and people, I want nothing to do with it.
Because I don't put money before everything else? Sure, it's great, but you need to know when you've had enough. It's enough when it destroys everything you stand for. Fuck kikes.
>>80583063
Globalism is globalism. Go to bed, summer faggot.
Why do Jews always need someone else (besides themselves) to support them?
Does that make me racist to ask why?
>>80583018
Almost like there are different races or something
>>80581754
You mean cheaper goods and services not better.
>>80582745
Yes! And leaving the EU will make everything bett...
Wait a minute.
No it won't you fucking mouth breather.
You're still stuck with the shitskins(brexiters went back on the immigration promises the moment you left kek) and will have to agree to free movement to be allowed access to the simgle market, still stuck with a shitty economy, and now, stuck with a completely fractured parliament and the most disgruntled populace since thatcher was around. Good job.
>>80583381
Curly roots. Straight top. Perfectly normal
Restrict competitive goods from entering our country, force other countries to accept unfair and exploitative trade deals.
How is any of that free trade?
>>80582511
German cars have been overpriced garbage for at least a decade anyway
>>80581754
>Free trade leads to better goods and services
that you can no longer afford
>>80583439
And in return they have autonomy and sovereignty
As an american you should understand the appeal freedom has, and the price people are willing to pay for it.
You remind me of a slave wondering how he will feed himself now that his master no longer provides him with food.
>>80581754
Says someone from a country that just left the E.U.
How ironic.
>>80581754
Because my country has standards and conditions that make labour expensive.
Some dink in a 3rd world shit hole can undercut me for a cup of rice a day and lose an arm or leg in the process while making elite Jews like George Soros even richer
>>80583381
This picture triggers me
Please remove it immediately
>>80581754
>im willing to sell my ancestral inheritance for better goods and services
>>80583474
More to the point, the globalist "free trade" mostly involves monopolies constricting markets so only they can sell into them, while ensuring there's so many barriers involved that smaller businesses can't compete.
Furthermore, it's only "free trade" when it's in the favour of these corporations, but laws are in place to PROHIBIT regular folks from purchasing goods in other nations for themselves. This is exemplified in digital markets like steam - where videogames are regionally locked so you cannot purchase a digital good in Russia for the equivalent of $5 USD instead of $40 USD.
Free trade for the greedy monopolists and corporatists; fuck you if you're an average person.
>>80583439
And in a few months Hillary will destroy your country. Don't throw stones from glass houses.
We made a short term sacrifice to survive in the long term. The eu was going to collapse whether we were in it or not, the whole purpose of the exit was so we could distance ourselves from the continent when it inevitably implodes in the next decade. When that happens we will survive and will be in a good position to take advantage of the chaos that follows, and more importantly will not be required to bail anyone out.
>>80581754
Free trade is just companies exploiting third world wages for more profit. These companies can enter these primitive markets with their insane cash flows and completely pervert the local economies in their favor through crony capitalism. It allows for cheaper goods to help churn the wheel of consumerism.
>>80581754
10-4
>>80583537
>autonomy and sovereignty
Masters of their own little soon-to-be-irrelevant island, besides, in this debate those words are almost buzzwords.
Also, this decision will probably make the UK more of a lapdog to the EU, considering they'll have no more say on anything happening, while being economically dependant on them.
>>80583791
Dr. Hasnoclue
daily reminder that ancaps are the scum of the earth and should be genocided
>>80581754
Globalism represents the pursuit of money and wealth over everything else.
The destruction of communities, society and morals so pockets can be filled.
>>80583700
Yep. Thats how the wheel spins detlef.
Small countrys get eaten alive by big once.
Learn from history. Sooner or later it happens. On peacefull terms, embrace globalisation or on violent, reject it. The only choices you got.
>>80583614
It shouldn't. Point of nationalism is unification. There are two patriotic Swedes, who love their country, culture and people.
>>80583970
The EU is on the verge of collapse
It wasn't built or planned with the interests of the people in mind, and that is why it is failing.
The UK leaving is just a symptom. There may be a pan-european government eventually, but it won't be this century.
>>80584151
>On peacefull terms, embrace globalisation or on violent, reject it.
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH
>>80582511
Oh no asian and american shit boxes swarming the market.
>Shiver
>>80584196
God damn you swedes are just shining beacons of hope and equality aren't cha
>>80584285
I gladly give you death.
>>80584343
Uhhh japanese cars are a billion times more superior than some shitty expensive krautmobile that costs 500k/year to maintain
>>80584392
could you give me some reasons why i should embrace globalism
i really cant get behind your reasoning
>>80581754
Because it destroys the middle class in the most affluent countries. It also destroys a nation's unique culture, and erodes national identity. People want to be independent and control their own destiny. Money is not everything, and its not even what's most important.
>>80584451
Ofcorse thats why they sell so good and thats why us cars sell so good.
Cry more. You got nothing.
>>80584505
Cheaper ipads durrr retard
>>80584348
Deep down all of us are. I'm all for bannin Islam and Judaism as foreign supremacy cults and expelling Jews and Muslims, I'm all for taking away citizenship from the low IQ and violent people followed by deportation, I'm all for mandating a test on the language, history and political culture and 20 years of residence to get a citizenship. It would prevent unworthy people and natives would be 94-97% of population if all of it used. But excluding from the civic process based on race? Nah, please.
>>80584556
Step your english game up hans
Or would you rather me speak the mother toungue to you while I caress your jelly rolls in a warm and motherly manner.
>>80581754
> Goods and services are the only things important to a human.
Fucking kill yourself, reeeeeee.
>>80583571
butthurt londoner
>>80582034
Because people don't know the difference between an economic model and a political one.
>Socialism is better than Democracy.
>Communism is better than Capitalism.
Leftists confuse the two all the time.
>>80584505
Because it happens ether way. Your not getting it? The only choice you got are how it happens.
Are you really that retardet thinking you can close the borders, build a wall and be untuched by globalization? Stay homogenus untill runing in to incest? Runing out of resurces? Then dieing or lebensraum im osten westen bla bla bla.
FFS detlef.
>>80581754
Take you ad hoc argument somewhere else you nigger
>>80584726
>Hur durrrr out of arguments.
>Shit english meme
Fuck off child.
>>80584773
>Stay homogenus untill runing in to incest?
ok your trolling bye bye
>>80581754
>Free trade leads to better goods and services
exactly, but we need to dismantle nationalism quickly or else those idiots will start yet another war because muh skin color or some other artificial line of division.
>>80584773
>Stay homogenus untill runing in to incest?
human populations were a fraction of what they are today. Sometimes tribes were almost isolated. hundred thousands of generations later, we became the conquerors.
incest is not a problem for europe.
>>80581754
Because of economic equilibrium. In any free market system, businesses will attempt to operate where their costs are the lowest and to sell where their products fetch the highest price.
Previously, this had kept itself in check roughly by the expense of shipping being more than the expensive of manufacture in a less productive area. In recent years, the consistently cheapening cost of transportation and communication is making production in cheaper markets viable.
For developed nations, this means that the price of labor is competing against the entire world. If you are in a field where your labor can effectively be done in a cheaper market, it will be done in a cheaper market. Hence, manufacturing dies, and service sector rises to sell cheaply made goods. The further problem is that with unchecked immigration, if your service sector job can be either outsourced, automated, or "insourced" by importing new immigrants, it will be done to further cut costs. So, globalization depresses wages for the poorest in developed nations.
For developed nations, most of the profit from outsourcing is not actually going to companies and employees in the nation. Local industries are not being developed because it is more profitable for foreigners to work in outsourced operations which create wealth for developed nations while it is in the interests of the company operating in the market to reduce costs as much as possible often by skimping on infrastructure and good labor practices. Not to mention that the cheaply made goods flooding the developed markets also can flood their own markets threatening local entrepreneurs who cannot compete with the technology and scale of other corporations.
>>80584833
Okay what do you want me to say? American car aren't shit? Oh gee wilikers you sure got me there. Guess I'll have to go be proud of the billions of other things my country does better than yours.
>>80584879
Oh no a fact i cant refute
Must be trolling.
Or
You just utterly retardet child that cant think more then 10 years ahead or even longer 1000s of generations. Desicions made now will impact future generations, detlev.
Dont burden the unborn with your idocy.
>>80584952
In the long run, what economic equilibrium means as corporations move their operations to the cheapest nations is that every nation will become essentially equally poor on the basic level.
For the rich, nothing particularly changes as they become a drain of wealth on the nations they operate in, but for everyone else this means a heavily competitive labor market that is damaging to new businesses and has substantial barriers to entry to become competitive.
>>80584952
thats why we need a global gov or gov-union like structure, to avoid taxing loopholes.
>>80584915
too late my good friend. It's all downhill from here
>>80585057
>Desicions made now will impact future generations, detlev.
This is why i hate you, jürgen. you ignore this fact and cover it up with delusions.
>>80584922
And got wiped out. Bla bla bla. They you got the resurces the growing population the with that acomulated growth of resurce increase need for space.
>>80585135
Meh, why bother when the union will be owned by the globalist corporations?
>>80581754
Fair trade with countries with equal government and regulations is good. There's multiple factors involved, including corporate tax rate and minimum wage that favor places like Mexico and China instead of the US.
Ultimately, I'd love to see free trade, as long as our government completely gets away from controlling the market. Well at least lower our corporate tax rate for crying out loud. Otherwise it's a net negative for the country
>>80585057
>i can think thousands of generations ahead im such an enlightened individual
>my solution is to just give in and do nothing about globalists devouring our nation
>see how enlightened i am
>>80585169
Globalsation is a fact. A route taken hundreats of years ago. Get used to it. Closing your eyes and pretending its not existing will not make it disapear or stop.
Better to work hard to get on top then get rolled over by it.
>>80584952
It is really frustrating how companies charge $5 for a product that cost 15 cents in materials and 20 cents in production. how could we ever clear this debt?
ITT:Defätisten
>>80585391
we should use all available tools for our betterment. Strong industry is definitely a part of it, but it makes you vulnerable to make yourself fully dependent on it.
>>80585403
Oh hiya! It looks like your were born yesterday, so let me let you in on a lil secret.
businesses have to make money in order to survive, so they sell things for more than its cost to produce, which in turn makes this thing called "profit", weird isn't it?
>>80585337
Better then being lost and forgoten is to get on top and lead.
Still in deniel that big civilizations devouer destroy small ones.
What chances germany has agains india?
Russia? Vietnam? Iran? America? brazil?Mexico?
Kind. They fuck us over.
>>80581754
>cgbAAww
>1 post by this ID
>Speak positively of the globalizing jew
sage.
>>80585403
Then don't buy from them.
>>80581754
Free trade leads to mass produced shit from 3rd world tier countries and a crumbling industry in your own country.
And that is pretty much it.
>>80585300
it maybe be, but there is not much wrong with that. its not like corporation hate wyte males and want the end of all humanity for satanic purposes, they will simply want to expand their markets, and that will mean to build and give opportunities to the corrupt countries like those in africa.
if we manage to enable the 12 billions of whatever people there will be by a.d. 2050 of humanity to coop using the free market as a framework we are going to have a better future with space ships and shitzz.. or we might want to keep on with our tribalism and maybe after the 5'th war come to the same conclusions.
globalism is def better in the long run, sure it might hurt western nations by some extent in the short term but our grand grand children will be thankful for crafting a better world, like we can be thankful to our ancestors for abolish slavery, opening education to everyone and and etc.
OP is totally right and its funny how on /pol/ its being often mentioned how the left is about muh feelingz and shiettzz but the nationalists here fail to provide me a good argument against globalism other then muh tradition which basically boils down to muh feelings. The only rational argument against globalism would be that it wouldn't be good for us(as in whole of humanity, not just your tribe) in the long run, which it totally is.
(didn't expected to write that much lol, apologize for grammar mistakes in advance).
>>80581754
>Free trade = globalism
So Globalism exists since ancient times.
Also free trade is shit, protectionism is superior.
All this globalist defeatist in this thread. How can you feel like a real man or woman after that treasonous behaviour?
Free trade is in direct opposition to Free People.
Either Trade and Capital is Free, enslaving People,
or the People are Free and Capital is constrained.
Free Trade is a law of Jungle, stronger may freely defend and destroy the weaker. Only the Stronger is Free, but the Weaker is Enslaved.
Then:
Deregionalisation of Economy leads to Deeconomisation of Regions. Brings powerty to most, while accumulating wealth to few.
>>80585996
right, because countries with a low amount of economic liberty are doing SOO great.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom
see the bottom, what do you think about it? "i.. its not real communism!!!" - I bet.
I oppose free trade mostly for moral reasons, it's also just plain inefficient as far as resources go because it stands now it's more economical to ship raw materials to a place like China to assembled into a product and then shipped back here to be sold. That's such a massive waste on oil or whatever it takes to power them boats all the way across the ocean. A lot of these countries destroy the environment and engage really unethical labor practices in order to undercut our manufacturing. They treat their people like slaves and we enable it by allowing free trade.
I'm not all in with protectionism though. I'm for fee trade when other countries can live up to our standards as far as workers and the environment is concerned.
>>80586116
You can have economic freedom without having free trade.
Simply put your internal market is as free as a bird but you impose tariffs and bans depending on the situation to avoid troubles.
Daily reminder that immigration policy has nothing to do with free trade.
>>80585762
In the end, people are at fault themselves for buying from the outsourcers. Every time they do it, they collectively hand a bit of their sovereignity away...
>>80585996
Where is that notion from? Just legit curious.
>>80581754
Beacuse as a species in our current form, globalism is a fairy tale that does not work in reality.
Unless we transcend our current "humaness", globalism will fail. Different races will always root for their own. Different religions will always disagree with eachother.
Unless we are all one race, one religion, follow one ideology, it just doesn't work. There will always be tension between different groups, simply because they are different. This hippie world-citizen fantasy bullshit is annoying.
>>80585817
>OP is totally right and its funny how on /pol/ its being often mentioned how the left is about muh feelingz and shiettzz but the nationalists here fail to provide me a good argument against globalism other then muh tradition which basically boils down to muh feelings. The only rational argument against globalism would be that it wouldn't be good for us(as in whole of humanity, not just your tribe) in the long run, which it totally is.
It really quite depends. I can't tell you where things will go, just logical actors acting in their best interest.
How long are we looking? I would argue that if you live in a decent country, globalization is not something that benefits you because of equilibrium.
In a world with open borders, people will naturally migrate to where their standard of living is the highest. So, developed nations gain the middle classes of other nations that further drives down the prices of wages while depriving the lesser developed nations of important workers.
In a world where emphasis is greatly placed on cultural homogeneity, we could easily be seeing the death of local custom, value systems, and languages to be replaced with something more workable. For instance, you're speaking English and English is lingua franca. Why even bother having people speaking Occitan or Welsh? How bad this is depends on personal opinion.
Economically, see my other argument.
If we're going to be /pol/, I would argue that the most fundamental issue /pol/ has with globalization is that /pol/ doesn't seen all members of the global community as equal. For instance, why the fuck should Swedish culture be as respected as Somalian culture? Why should lower Swedish workers be paid the same as lower Somalian immigrants? Even with all the open borders and free trade, will the third world ever uplift itself? What if the third world is simply shit because it's filled with third worlders?
>>80586236
I really want to see a evangelical movement, and a localist movement, but you know, I can buy cheap Walmart slave labor goods. So, whatever.
>>80586116
> bottom of table
Countries, against which USA and it's poodles wage Economic War, do have got problems... It is not problem of communism or free trade, it is problem of Economic Wars called Sanctions.
See China. It's not much free, and is second best economy and rising, unlike the first that sinks.
See Greek - their main problem is inadequate currency and imposibility to set incoming duties. If they could devalve own currency and set duty to penalize all incoming goods, they could become competitive on inner market and start growing, but with Euro and with economic enslaving by germans they are doomed.
Similar with Brexit - one of main argument was different Duty policy than EU...
>>80584952
>>80585059
I essentially couldn't explain why globalism is harmful to developed countries better myself, glad you did the work for me before I got here.
>>80583099
Should've said something about your digits and Jews.
>>80585057
no you proved that you were a troll when you said
>stay homogenous until running into incest
either troll or complete fucking mongoloid.
>>80581754
so-called "free trade" is the destruction of humanity.
Humanity have developed due to endless struggles, this forces you to develop. Humanity will be destroyed due to "endless peace".
>>80586269
The answer is simple. The only thing that matters is what's good for the tribe. Our tribe has been doing charitable deeds for the whole of humanity for far too long. If it wasn't for our tribe, the majority of African natives would not exist. They would have starved long ago and fallen to disease.
>>80581754
globalism is an objectively good thing, what matters is who will achieve it
the current biblical concept (NWO) sucks
putin is the alternative
>>80581754
Globalization and globalism are not synonyms.
You might be able to get away with calling globalization "economic globalism", but when most people say the word globalism they mean political integration.
Globalization can occur so long are people are free to buy and sell goods and services without artificial barriers like tariffs or quotas. So long as there isn't a political component it it enhances freedom.
Globalism is the centralization of power in international bureaucracies. It's currently the biggest threat to human freedom.
The globalists want us to think they are one in the same but they aren't just unrelated, they're opposing concepts.
things that I recognize because of globalism:
>currency is worth shit
>population turns more into islam
>population doesnt speak my language anymore, despite that no english aswell
>when I go to the doctor (which I pay into via healthcare system), there are no spots left anymore and they say "sorry cant take you anymore"
>unified charging cables for phones ayylmao
>>80581754
There's nothing inherently wrong with globalism, just as there is nothing inherently wrong with ponzi schemes. Of course, without socialism globalism wouldn't really be an issue. Free trade is demonstrably better on average for the inhabitants of the nation, and free movement will also increase the productivity. However, when free movement is combined with government financed welfare, it results in hundreds of thousands of illiterate young men from destructive cultures, instead of thousands of doctors, academics, researchers and workers from adaptable cultures.
>>80585996
>>80586241
> Where is that notion from?
These are my sentences. You may not know my work yet...
> Deregionalisation of Economy leads to Deeconomisation of Regions
I think (not sure) this is from Ilona Svihlikova, professor of economy and speaker of "Union of Work and Solidarity"...
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilona_%C5%A0vihl%C3%ADkov%C3%A1
>>80584773
Not an argument.
>>80581754
>here, have some niggers
>you are going to have to pay for them
>"Why? I don't have a use for these people. Keep them"
>YOU FUKKEN NAZI BORDERS ARE A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT
Yeah, globalism sure seems great. Meanwhile the "white" populations of the planet are being systematically destroyed by this system.
>>80583906
ehehehe i miss this guy
But I have to admit, that this:
>>80584952 and >>80585059
is a good and rational explanation, how Free trade hurts people,
much less memetic than mine >>80585996
Free Trade contradicts Free People
>>80588669
Decadence could also be a reason, whites aren't breeding even though they are fucking more than ever.
>>80584764
They're leaders are not confused. Their commies. As such, they intend to achieve a politically driven command and control economy.
Pleb leftists are just too stupid to see it.
>>80581754
Wrong free trade leads to more goods and services, protectionism leads to quality goods and services. Imagine the quality of clothes and el-ware if they were made in the west instead of by a poor poo in the loo or a Ming, who has no pride in his work and only views his work as a means of getting a pay-check.
>>80581754
Because you have no tariffs, therefore the money and jobs flow to places where labour is dirt cheap, leaving the entire west to a state of decay.
>>80581754
>1 post by this ID
Trade is not globalism; trade is globalization.
Globalism =/= Globalization
