Is it worth reading Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell? Was Orwell a redpilled person? From what I have read about him, he supported anarcho-socialist ideas, which I do not like. I like how, as far as I understand, he wrote about the power of media and censorship in relation to controlling the opinion of the populace.
he was very disappointed ex-idealist
also I see a lot of pol using his metaphors from 1984, it's a quick read so give him a try
his other books are also good, I liked ' down and out in paris and london'
It's a good read, should be a more or less mandatory book for highschoolers.
>>80580088
>it's a quick read so give him a try
That's true, I guess I should just read and see for myself. Thanks.
>>80580352
Thanks, I'll see how it is then.
That's because it was a different time, when the soviet Union and threat of communism which was very socially totalitarian was very real.
It's still based as fuck.
>>80579861
It's one of the best books ever. It really sums up the feeling of living in a totalitarian state.
It makes you super depressed.
>>80580088
Down and Out in Paris and London is a good read. Probably more important than anything else he wrote because it helps to frame who he was.
>>80583107
Bullshit. 1984 was garbage. It's a half-hearted half measure when Orwell got cold feet over what Stalin was actively doing in Russia. Volume 1 of The Gulag Archipelago makes everything Orwell "envisioned" look like pansy ass bullshit, and it's all thoroughly documented to have happened.
These days I'd swear Orwell was still working for the commies when he wrote 1984 and Animal Farm. Certainly based on how many mental midgets looked at it as a warning, and breathed a sigh of relief that it could be stopped.
Much fucking worse was already taking place. Stalin's reign reached heights of surveillance, paranoia, torture and cruelty that can only be denigrated by calling them Orwellian.
Fuck Orwell.
I think you should read Animal Farm in priority. But reading both is probably the best thing you could do.
I think it probably lost its impact with times, as it clearly targets soviet Russia. But it's still a good read.
You can also read A Brave New World which probably more spot on regarding our current world (control through hedonism/drugs, saturation of information to disorientate people, etc...).
>>80579861
Just watch the movie m8
But if you really want to read something that's closer to home for our era, you should read Submission by Houellebecq and 2084 End of the World by Boualem Sansal.
>>80579861
It's a good read, but if you want something 10 times more accurate compared to what's actually happening read Huxley's Brave New World.
>>80579861
Did you finish high school?
Anyway, his books are shit, plus, he's a socialist
>>80583450
Go on.. is there more details on this than Gulag A?
>>80581957
You don't know what 'based' means.
>>80579861
http://www.avianbonesyndrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/stuart_mcmillen.png
>>80583450
>These days I'd swear Orwell was still working for the commies when he wrote 1984 and Animal Farm.
he remained a socialist until his death...
>>80584201
>I'm a butthurt commie
His books describe the shithole that is Russia perfectly.
>>80584576
Don't misunderstand me. I mean, an active and willing Soviet agent. 1984 is too on the nose to not be based on Stalin's purges and concentration camps, but it's all spun off into an absurdist far-flung future. Made ever so slightly campy and non-threatening.
The Stalin personality cult and the Gulag's were so far beyond what Orwell spoke of that I can only assume he was trying to mislead.
>>80580088
> his other books are also good, I liked ' down and out in paris and london'
Also check out Homage to Catalonia.
>>80584805
What exactly made them worse than 1984?
>>80584805
interesting
could you give some examples?
>>80579861
Orwell was a socialist, sure, but he wasn't what we think of today as a "socialist".
Anarchists are the only palatable leftists at least they don't chimpout if you disagree with them.
>>80579861
if you havent read 1984 and animal farm you dont deserve to post on this board.
>>80579861
It's alright, but I feel like every time I read it, it gets more and more boring.
I genuinely enjoyed F451 though. One of those highschool reads I never got around to until recently.
>>80584904
https://archive.org/details/TheGulagArchipelago-Threevolumes
I can link you to the book. You really don't need to read far into volume one to start to get the point, and it's captivating shit. You'll just want to keep reading. I might be able to scare up links to the unabridged audiobook too.
>>80585140
You won't believe me, but I DO fully intend to read this at some point. However, just for the sake of an Internet message board post, can you provide some concrete examples?
>>80584923
>>80584904
Ah, here we are. Audiobook uploaded to youtube. Appropriate for a samizdat book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccASsjhhgP8
>>80584238
'One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich' and 'Two Hundred Years Together' are pretty good books
Also I think David Duke tried to continue Solzhenitsyn's work with his book 'The Secret Behind Communism'. This is a quote from the first page of that book.
>>80579861
>mi6 agent
>know 100 y NWO plan
>wrote book for white niggera
PREDICTIONS
>>80585402
Solzhenizin have 90% fairy tales in this books
Just naive emotional niggers rate this shit
>>80580352
It is here
>>80584238
Not that anon who thinks Orwell is a communist shill but Gulag Archipelago is really good. The best descriptions I've ever read of how terrifying the purges actually were.
>>80585664
On mobile rn, shows i have Netherland flag. I mean in Latvia as in "here"
>>80579861
1984 was built upon his Spanish Civil War and interactions with real commies, it's a nice read but most of his concepts are well known already by most without having to read it.
>>80583450
You have to realize the fact that the worst he saw of Communism was the Spanish Civil War, talking with someone who lived through Soviet Russia or any com block nation can tell you a better story.
>>80586034
This, also Orwell is more trying to get across the ideas of manipulation of the masses in several ways as simply as possible for the reader. It's not a book trying to be hopelessly brutal as possible but it still brings a feeling of hopelessness.
>>80579861
It's worth reading. Every intellectual back then believed in some pseudo-bullshit political ideology, so it shouldn't really be held against him.
Animal Farm is far better imo.
>>80586034
>>80586185
1984 is indisputably about Stalin and the personality cult. That was supposed to have been what put Orwell off Communism. Except for the view screens, it's Russia under Lenin and especially under Stalin.
Except they didn't pick off the odd fat prick after yonks of strange behavior. They arrested the first man who stopped clapping.
Here is one vignette from those years as it actually occurred. A district Party conference was under way in Moscow Province. It was presided over by a new secretary of the District Party Committee, replacing one recently
arrested. At the conclusion of the conference, a tribute to Comrade Stalin was called for. Of course, everyone stood up (just as everyone had leaped to his feet during the conference at every mention of his name).The small hall echoed with "stormy applause, rising to an ovation." For three minutes,four minutes, five minutes, the "stormy applause, rising to an ovation," continued. But palms were getting sore and raised arms were already aching. And the older people were panting from exhaustion. It was becoming insufferably silly even to those who really adored Stalin. However, who would dare be the first to stop? The secretary of the District Party Committee could have done it. He was standing on the platform, and it was he who had just called for the ovation. But he was a newcomer. He had taken the place of a man who'd been arrested. He was afraid! After all, NKVD men were standing in the hall applauding and watching to see who quit first!
>>80586734
The thing is as I am trying to say: He never saw Communist Russia. So he had to interpret it using news and his experience from the Civil War.
It's quite clear why his representation is far into the future, as he didn't have the clearest idea of his contemporary USSR.
>>80586734
2/2
And in that obscure, small hall, unknown to the Leader, the applause went on—six, seven, eight minutes! They were done for!Their goose was cooked! They couldn't stop now till they collapsed with heart attacks! At the rear of the hall, which was crowded, they could of course cheat a bit, clap less frequently, less vigorously, not so eagerly—but up there with the presidium where everyone could see them? The director of the local paper factory, an independent and strong-minded man, stood with the presidium. Aware of all the falsity and all the impossibility of the situation, he still kept on applauding! Nine minutes! Ten! In anguish he watched the secretary of the District Party Committee, but the latter dared not stop.Insanity! To the last man! With make-believe enthusiasm on their faces, looking at each other with faint hope, the district leaders were just going to go on and on applauding till they fell where they stood, till they were carried out of the hall on stretchers! And even then those who were left would not falter. . . . Then, after eleven minutes, the director of the paper factory assumed a businesslike expression and sat down in his seat. And, oh, a miracle took place! Where had the universal, uninhibited, indescribable enthusiasm gone?To a man, everyone else stopped dead and sat down. They had been saved! The squirrel had been smart enough to jump off his revolving wheel.
That, however, was how they discovered who the independent people were. And that washow they went about eliminating them. That same night the factory director was arrested. They easily pasted ten years on him on the pretext of something quite different. But after he had signed Form 206, the final document of the interrogation, his interrogator reminded him:"Don't ever be the first to stop applauding!"
>>80583945
All good reads
>>80586996
And that's what I don't believe. Even if it's true, 1984 is a sham. It's a poor impersonation of the actual power, cruelty and manipulation that took place under the Soviet regimes of his era.
>A typical example from this wave: Several dozen young people got together for some kind of musical evening which had not been authorized ahead of time by the GPU. They listened to music and then drank tea. They got the money for the tea by voluntarily contributing their own kopecks. It was quite clear, of course, that this music was a cover for counterrevolutionary sentiments, and that the money was being collected not for tea but to assist the dying world bourgeoisie. And they were all arrested and given from three to ten years—Anna Skripnikova getting five, while Ivan Nikolayevich Varentsov and the other organizers of the affair who refused to confess were shot!
The book is boring as fuck. I'm 25% in and pretty much nothing has happened. It's a chore to read. The political commentary is so unsubtle it's annoying as hell
>>80579861
>hurdur I don't wanna read his works coz his ideology offends me
Quit being a fucking a faggot and read his books. Quality transcends ideology
>>80579861
He was a commie piece of shit who didn't fully appreciate what he'd written. The book itself is essential redpill material though, definitely worth reading.
>>80587324
Seems far fetched to assume he wrote 1984 to be about Stalinism instead of totalitarianism in general
>>80579861
they make americans read it in high school because its simple enough for american teenagers to understand.
its not that deep, probably right up your alley
>>80580352
1984 and Fahrenheit 451 were my English A2 reads.
That was also why I don't like authoritarians no matter left or right.
>>80588059
I didn't read it in high school (although we did read Brave New World and some other things, like "Marta and the Nazis" just in case the diary of Jew Frank wasn't enough)
So everybody laughed at me when I read 1984 as an adult. But it was worth it. Quick and frighteningly accurate exposition.
It's a beginners book. 1984 is good, but if you really want to fully understand the world, you'll read The Jewish Revoultionary Spirt by E. Michael Jones. The book outlines how Jews have been involved in countless revolutions against Christian culture during the last 2000 years, from the crucifixion of Christ to the neo cons taking over American Politics. The book isn't Mien Kampf part 2, rather, a very objective look at Jewish history and primarily only using Jewish literature to make all the historical claims.
It's boring but isn't very long.
Orwell wasn't redpilled, nobody back then was bluepilled or redpilled because there was no great curtain of delusion wrapping society at the time. There was nothing to wake up from and nothing to cloud the mind.
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