>When did you realize that the Soviet Union was truely redpiledl?
Seriously, the Soviet Union under Stalinism was indeed a conservative paradise
Economical boom for a whole decade, strong abundance of family values, no degeneracy, traditional society with healthy model of femininity, heroic and maculine requirement
Nationalistic, anti-immigration, free education for every citizen
They managed to destroy the Germanic and fought like lions for their own motherland
I don't understand the hate towards them on /pol/
>Inb4 jews
The citizens and Stalin himself were antisemitic
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sailmeWkm_A
>>80578625
bump
Why is it always deluded idiots from nations which never truly experienced communism are the ones who spew that retared "gommunism is based xD" meme?
Rotfront scum get out. Do you also think the DDR was based? Hop on the next train to Dachau.
>>80583070
You said it there: because they didn't experience it. I know more than enough people from eastern Germany who told me how shit it was.
>>80583070
good, now you'll begin to understand /pol/'s fascination with nazi germany
>nazism was based xD
Killing your own people hardly makes it a paradise.
>>80578625
Yeah wow, they were so redpilled and amazing ! I wish I could have lived in the glorious USSR. NO, fuck you. Just fuck you. My great-grandfather was sent to the gulag at 17 years old, he built railways in Siberia FOR 7 YEARS. Fuck you rapebaby piece of shit
>>80578625
t. german born after the fall of USSR, never visited former DDR clay.
>>80584871
>Raate
You did good sandnigger, you did good.
>>80586321
I meant snownigger
>>80586365
Kek
Portrayal of manliness and masculine values as something good.
Propaganda against divorce.
Promotion of a somewhat soviet nationalism.
Calling to die for the motherland.
All citizens able to have an education and a purpose.
Yep, seems redpilled to me.
>>80583070
Gdr was communist.
>get rekt at a 10 to 1 ratio by the germans
>destroy them
lol no
>>80584696
Home....fuck it i am moving back to russia.
>>80587662
Lul.
Please do not compare Eastern Block to GDR.
People from Poland who managed to get permission from our communist goverment to work there were earning 6-7 times more then in Poland. Also, the money there has some FUCKING VALUE, since there were more goods to buy then pickles, vodka and vinegar (I shit you not)
>>80588169
Muh materialism...good goy.
>>80587761
I miss birozki and snow:(
>Economical boom for a whole decade
And then they ran out of money...
>>80578625
get sent to the gulag, revisionist
>>80588417
why didn't they just print more? :^)
>>80578625
This is stupid.
You're stupid.
Get out.
>>80578625
Yeah he killed off the remaining true believers, Jews and remove the degenerate pollicies, still he managed to
>starve various populations
>implemented retarded
>kill off 20+ million with the help of uncle Addy
>continued with retarded policies aka basic state communism
>>80584274
Most people(with the exception of comies, leftists and Jews) liked nazi Germany before the war
What this board calls ''cultural marxism'' the rest of the world calls ''American degeneracy''. For real. Under socialism we were socially conservative. Now everybody does recreational drugs and girls are sluts. None of this under actual marxism. Explain yourselves.
>>80589252
We became (((democracies))). Now we're all in the same cesspool as the burgers.
>>80578625
>try to explain to /pol hitlerfapper kids
no way
>>80589334
I'm no commie m8, but I'm not really enjoying this whole independence thing tbqh. How about yourself?
>>80589563
Not commie either but Yugoslavia sounds better than slow decadent extinction.
>>80588258
> Muh materialism
Communist Poland:
--> You work at least 8-10 h/ day, saturdays are a working days,
--> to buy a shit tier car you have to enlist and wait 4-5 years,
--> for shit tier 2 room flat you have waited 8-10 years.
--> where a fucking jeans pants were an luxurity
--> where food supply was so shit that meat and exotic fruit (bananas, oranges) were avaliable only on christmas and easter, in very limited supply.
--> economy was so shit that almost any domestic commodity was diffcult to obtain (nails, razors, underware, cables, toilet paper, cosmetics, bandages you name it)
--> rampaging hiperinflation: loaf of bread costed one month 7 000 PLN, next month it was 15 000 PLN
--> Our greatest ally, Russia, was cucking us on resources, geting free shit left and right. our foundries, ports, shipyards, mines and whole heavy industry was basicly making shit for free for them.
And You know what? We had it easy compared to Belarus and Ukraine.
But yea. Ill be lectured by a happy merchant about materialism. You are probably underage faggot who never witnessed the glories of commmunism firsthand. I indulge you go back to Russia, you will love it.
>>80578625
We have enough people pretending to be right-wing while worshipping retarded leftists with the NatSoc crowd.
When will you faggots understand that hating Jews does not automatically vindicate leftist scum?
>>80578625
I much prefer modern Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afP71xwLI8Y
>>80589686
Well under capitalism you need to wait 30 years to pay off a home. You spend more on food than you do on shelter, and Chinese sweatshop workers work 12 hour shifts to make jeans instead of your fellow countrymen.
I talked to people who lived in Communist Ukraine and he said that before if you worked, you were guaranteed food, shelter, etc. This made people willing to make families.
Now under Capitalist Ukraine people gradually get poorer and poorer every year while the rich get richer and richer. People are not breeding anymore because they're too poor to, they don't have the resources anymore. I see the same thing happening here in America, people aren't breeding anymore because they're poor and they know it.
My mother was a Soviet citizen for most of her life.
She grew disillusioned, felt like the USSR/Russia was shit, and moved to the USA.
Then she realized the USA was shit too.
>>80590206
What did she say was shit about the USA?
>>80583070
I'd like to know the same about Nazi fetishists.
It's usually clueless burgers, too.
>>80589950
>Soros and co.
>Capitalists
Gommunizm is shite.
It's shite because it promotes mediocrity and dependence
It's shite because it ruins nations.
Almost every single old person I know told me gommunizm was shite, and gave me cold fact why and how it was shite.
Now go, hop in a kayak and swim to Best Korea if you want to live in grorious gommunizm
>>80578625
Oh OP, you just happened to forget that Stalin killed MILLIONS of his own people. Or maybe you're just a retard.
Stalin was technically redpilled, but he inspired 1984 for a reason. If he didn't kill millions upon millions of Soviet people and kept the people in constant fear for their lives, he would've been a worthy example.
>>80589950
>Chinese sweatshop workers work 12 hour shifts to make jeans instead of your fellow countrymen.
This is a good thing, we basically found a way to enslave foreign populations to do our dirty work without even lifting a finger, now we can work part-time for $15/hr at McDicks and afford clothes, food, shelter and more while Bangladesh Rajesh works 16 hour days for $0.01 to cover for it.
We have reached peak luxury here, I don't understand how commies can continue to criticize capitalism when we're down to sub-40 hour work weeks with sustainable minimum wages (at least in Canada). So what if some Indian diaperhead needs to slave away for it to be sustained? That is how civilization has always worked, better him than me.
>>80590296
Corrupt, sensationalist media, war-mongering, obsessed with stupid shit like posting selfies on the internet, with shit education
She was appalled to find out schoochildren in the USA are fed nasty processed food like nuggets, pizza, and tater tots for lunch when in the poor-ass USSR every schoolkid received a freshly cooked hot lunch made of real food.
>>80578625
Literally a cuck
>>80584274
Considering fascism is what unfucked my country in the span of two years after 8 years of a retarded king, I am certain it's not that bad.
>>80590665
My family emigrated to the US in the early 90s and then we came back for this precise reason.
Couldn't believe how indoctrinated Americans were. America has a lot of stuff so it seems better. Also, communism really is shit but my mother used to say that Americans sometimes have Soviet mentality because they are so indoctrinated.
>>80590665
So I'm guessing Obama must be your hero, given your Red Diaper Baby status.
>>80589950
Ukraine is a failed state at the moment. Half of their people has lost their identity, the big russian minority is not helping either. The country is at war, the "democratic" goverment is a joke, the country is ran by oligarchy, the corruption is on the Africa-tier level, not to mention that Russia is making anything possible to escalate all the problems above.
When Poland broke free form Soviet Union, we have started on the same level as Ukraine, yet they had superior industy, one of the best farming lands in Europe, they were bigger in terms of land and people. Yet they failed misrebly thanks to communist goverment and mentality.
Western Capitalism has many flaws and I am aware of that, but Soviet Union Communism was not only a disaster for the economy, it also tainted people with horrible work ethic, no respect for law and authority, dreams of welfare state.
Really man, I dont wish you to ever experience that madness which my county was unwillingly part of few decades ago.
>>80578625
When was this "economical boom"?
>Nationalistic, anti-immigration
all bullshit
>strong abundance of family values, no degeneracy, traditional society with healthy model of femininity, heroic and maculine requirement
yeah not hard to keep traditions strong when your quality of life is stuck in the 19th century
>>80590807
lmao, look who's talking
>>80591113
Not even close. My mother dislikes Obama with a passion
Shows how little you know about Russians/Russia desu senpai
>>80591360
You realize that this pic doesn't help your argument, right? It proves that eastern Europe was already way poorer than the west BEFORE communism, and that under communism it was still growing smoothly, until those countries reverted back to capitalism, which made things worse for some of them, and better for others.
Your own countrymen love socialism the most.
>>80589950
Are we talking about Stalin or theoretical communism? You live in cozy US and like to dream about socialism because all your basic needs are met and it tickles your fancy to fit in a progressive society.
Everything based Pole said is exactly true.
> Well under capitalism you need to wait 30 years to pay off a home.
"Home"? Try a communal apartment. You share one big flat (which was usually taken away from some unlucky bourgeoise family) with 3-4 families.
> You spend more on food than you do on shelter,
Literally what?… Abundance and cheapness of food is one of the best advantages of capitalism. 300$ is more than enough to have food for a month for one person in US.
In USSR, we had famine in 1932–1933, Holodomor, and a plenty other humanitarian catastrophes. Collective farms proved hugely inefficient and were some of the reasons we were left basically without food and cigarettes in 1991 (the latter is important given how many people smoke in Russia).
Venezeula went this way again. See picrelated. Still you Western dreamers think socialism is cool because a cool guy in college said so.
> Now under Capitalist Ukraine people gradually get poorer and poorer every year while the rich get richer and richer. People are not breeding anymore because they're too poor to, they don't have the resources anymore. I see the same thing happening here in America, people aren't breeding anymore because they're poor and they know it.
First of all, Ukraine is getting poorer because it's been in a state of war with itself, paid by both Russia and liberals/Soros. Ukraine made huge economic progress in early 1990s, despite having hugely corrupt leaders. But after a string of Maidans, president changes and all that crap, they've put a cross on their economy. You try to go on strike every day and see what happens to your income.
>>80591863
We were almost the same as any western european country in 1950 you illiterate autistic chink, in 1990 they were 4-5x richer.
>Your own countrymen love socialism the most.
yeah that's why our socialist party got 15% of the votes the last 2 elections and right wing anti-communist parties got about 70% of the votes total.
>>80588308
Taки ocтaвaйтecь нa зeмлe oбeтoвaннoй, cнeгa c кaждым гoдoм вcё мeньшe, a пиpoжки вaм иcпeчёт тётя Coня из Oдeccы и этo тaки бyдeт дeшeвлe.
Literally created and run by Jews.
>>80589950
> I see the same thing happening here in America, people aren't breeding anymore because they're poor and they know it.
What? Poor people, conversely, breed way more than richer people.
In USSR, they could breed, but quantity was valued over quality. You didn't go to college—you got drafted. You went to college—you got sent over to some shithole to work in a field you majored in for several years (could be in Siberia). Millions of factories were unprofitable, made inferior goods (see Yugo cars) and could only survive in planned economy.
People were incredibly poor, except for party functioneers. They had large dachas with all their needs met. So it was closer to feudalism, where most people lived in shit except for the elite.
"We pretend we're working and they pretend they're paying", as the saying went.
>>80592001
QFT.
Come Ivan, I have some frozen vodka, lets drink and laugh at stupidity of Western Lefties.
They are going to crash their economy with no survivors, its good to know we have that painfull lesson already behind us.
>>80590324
>Nazism didn't turn the Weimar Republic from the shithole of Western Europe into the most powerful and technologically advanced nation the world had then seen.
>>80592209
>We were almost the same as any western european country in 1950
So under Stalin?
>in 1990 they were 4-5x richer.
So like in the 19th and early 20th century before communism?
Look, I'm not saying that socialism is perfect, but it's definitely not quite as bad economically as most people believe. Eastern Europe was always shitty. It has been behind the west for hundreds of years. It's unfair to suddenly blame socialism for this gap, especially when they're STILL way poorer now that socialism was given up on.
>yeah that's why our socialist party got 15% of the votes the last 2 elections and right wing anti-communist parties got about 70% of the votes total.
Your "socialist" party is a shitty social-democratic party that has very little to do with old socialism. Still doesn't change the fact that most people think life was better back then.
>>80578625
>Seriously, the Soviet Union under Stalinism was indeed a conservative paradise
>Economical boom for a whole decade
Do you know that average residential area for workers was 3.5 sq. m. per resident under Stalin's """"economical boom""""? i hope you will live whole life in the communal apartment not having even a full room but just a corner in it. Get a taste of the paradise.
>>80578625
t. Erich "Shlomogbsky" Honeker
>>80578625
Hello there Russki rape baby
>>80578625
Stockholm syndrome is real...
>>80592779
>It's unfair to suddenly blame socialism for this gap, especially when they're STILL way poorer now that socialism was given up on.
Stop spreading lies you fucking leaf.
Also, compare Poland to Ukraine and Belarus, we started on the same page, ( even with disadvantage on our side) Guess who came on top
>>80583449
>I know more than enough people from eastern Germany who told me how shit it was.
>Germans think DDR was bad
For USSR citizens be sent to work to DDR (or East Europe soc countires) was considered as a trip to paradise.
>>80592629
Are you and the based pole a Bulgarian proxy? You say exactly the same thing my grand parents who endured communism say to this day. Fuck gommunism xDDdddd
>>80590665
> Corrupt, sensationalist media
Still better than state-controlled propaganda 24/7 on every channel
> war-mongering
Did you mean: USSR
> obsessed with stupid shit like posting selfies on the internet
People die because of this
> with shit education
Russian education is even shittier, I can explain but it's complex. USSR lagged behind horribly in terms of IT and anything except military and space.
> poor-ass USSR every schoolkid received a freshly cooked hot lunch made of REAL FOOD.
OK, to explain this meme to you.
Literally happened to me a week ago. Live in Moscow, come to a supermarket. A poor-ass babushka with her ape white nigger grandchildren which scream and jump comes in. They ask for potato chips. She suddenly explodes: "Listen here: I might by you chocolate, BUT I WILL NEVER BUY YOU CHIPS, THEY'RE POISON!!! OU GOT THAT!!! POSION!!!"
So you should take that "real food" meme with a grain of salt. The argument people like to use is also, "there was very little food, so it was much tastier". You can see a certain fallacy here.
To give you one more anecdote: open up a cooking book from late '80s. Read up random page: "A new fruit is being introduced into the shops of USSR, called tangerine." Yep, sounds like people lived really well. Totally.
Anyway, I accept that it's actually a one-sided benefit of socialist economy—without concern for how much production is actually available, we can just allocate goods where we deem appropriate. But you should ask Soviets about kolbasa. How it was technically very tasty, but you couldn't buy it literally fucking anywhere. "Trade deficit" was one of the top used words in Soviet times by the way. Oh, and there was also "fish day", when the canteens only served second-rate fish, because meat was scarce. It was well into the 70s.
You know, all and all, food should be available 24/7 in every part of the country—it should not be like buying a new iPhone on a launch date.
>>80578625
NDK was so based,that they needed a wall to defend it from the harmfull west.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35W7297qxQc
Stalin was a fucking kike, retard
>>80593420
>Also, compare Poland to Ukraine and Belarus, we started on the same page, ( even with disadvantage on our side) Guess who came on top
So what? Firstly, I already admitted some countries made the transition to capitalism better than others. Secondly, Ukraine did switch to capitalism as well, yet it's doing bad, so why are you using them as an example?
>>80592779
Fuck off communist scum, half my family was shipped to belene concentration camp for owning 3 apartments between them, the other half lived in humiliation for 45 years because they were """""rich""""" before the soviets "" """"liberated "" """' us. Nothing compares to the crippling poverty of a post ussr bankrupted country. You've been bankrupt for 20 years and you keep bailing your ass out by robbing the population and to what end? The communists of our past gave away every profitable business to their own children before they left power and have been shilling for outside powers ever since (mainly fucking Russia here)
Go ahead and become a socialist or communist state can't wait for our diaspora that fled the regime to return to Europe.
>>80578625
Soviet style rule was literally developed by jews to destroy the russian nobility and to destabilize continental european states in favor of the anglos. Majority of people suffered under soviet style socialism while the communist mass party grew in numbers and became the only way to climb the ladder in such societies. Thanks to the ruins of communism i grew up in poverty because once ussr was gone the international economy crushed the weak, government controlled economies of countries like mine because capitalism is way better opponent. Due to this capital flows out and you are forced to buy foreign goods or have nothing.
Fuck all morons who think that this system was good, it bred one of the most psychologically castrated individuals the world has ever seen. Everything is better than communism/socialism.
That being said, some aspects of socialism work great along with capitalism, which is why social-democracy countries like Sweden are great to live in. But once you go full socialism your country and people are done in a few decades.
>>80592719
Well in a way, we have achieved the Soviet's greatest goal.
Scandinavians have become so "superior" that they cucked themselves to death. US has become so cozy and overfed they started thinking that communism was good.
Bezmenov was right—we present objective facts to them, and yet they don't believe us. It's too late—now just wait until "the boot crashes their skulls".
>>80593827
Nina was nice
>>80592629
>In USSR, they could breed,
They could not.
>>80592779
It's not like they refused the marshall aid,and made the country take loans,that was spent pointlessly(and we trying to paying it back even today).And after system switch the commrades "privatized" what remained.It's not that bad actually.
>purges
>no religion
>no economic freedom
fuck off you bootlicking cunt. authoritarian <> conservative
>MUH COMMUNISM THREAD
and what flags always shill for muh Gomunizms?
none ex commie countries
always
ALWAYS
>>80594012
>So what
lmao. Out of arguments?
Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia embraced democracy and western-style economic reforms few decades ago.
Ukraine and Belarus did not, they continued their communist policy, both in economy and politics.
All those counties are slavic nations from eastern block.
Now compare them. Are you really so fucking deluded or indocrinated that simply cannot see the proof which is laying before you?
>>80593535
Nope, it's just that most people from post-Soviet countries agree communism was a huge mistake that cost our nations millions of lives and years of progress.
The rest have either 1) been subverted to the point of no return—they're indoctrinated that communism was good and no objective evidence will change their mind, they're like selfless religious fanatics with Stockholm syndrome;
2) Had it easy holding positions of power in USSR or simply worked shit-tier jobs which were nonetheless well-paid because of state subsidies.
>>80594760
>Ukraine and Belarus did not, they continued their communist policy, both in economy and politics.
lol nigga
>>80594321
Well, also true. Just goes to further disprove >>80589950
>>80590665
>hot lunch made of real food.
Well porridge could be considered real food, yes. But hot? lel. Half of the time it would be served old and cold because serving all schoolkids apparently takes to much time for gommies mess-rooms logistic system and no one would give a fuck because this is gommunism. Food waste buckets near schools were always filled to the brim.
>>80594071
Sorry to hear about what happened to your family. There was definitely a ton of unfortunate abuse and corruption in the system.
>>80594386
Read on the Marshall Plan and why it was refused. Spoiler: the aid wasn't given for free. You had to give economic concessions in exchange for it.
>>80594760
>Ukraine and Belarus did not, they continued their communist policy, both in economy and politics.
Wrong.
>On 16 July 1990, the new parliament adopted the Declaration of State Sovereignty of Ukraine.[113] This established the principles of the self-determination, democracy, independence, and the priority of Ukrainian law over Soviet law.
>Ukraine was initially viewed as having favourable economic conditions in comparison to the other regions of the Soviet Union.[116] However, the country experienced deeper economic slowdown than some of the other former Soviet Republics. During the recession, Ukraine lost 60% of its GDP from 1991 to 1999,[117][118] and suffered five-digit inflation rates.
Belarus did remain closer to the old soviet system, and coincidentally, its economy didn't collapse as much as Ukraine's. Their GDP has also been growing better.
I know you've all heard it before, but the soviet union was not a real socialist country, nor was it anything even close to communism, in fact it was closer to national socialism than anything else.
>>80595053
>poor ridge or poo ridge?
>>80595283
/thread
>>80595283
>national socialism than anything else.
Implies nationalism. But USSR was internationalist multi-culti (and we know what multiculturalism means, yes, anti-white).
>>80595496
>But USSR was internationalist multi-culti (and we know what multiculturalism means, yes, anti-white).
It was only a pretense of internationalism. In effect, they were pretty nationalistic. When did mass immigration happen in the USSR?
>>80578625
Holy fuck all of you /leftypol/ commies get out of this board you are making yourself look so pathetic
>>80595659
When Russia deported people to Siberia and replaced them with russians. See Ukraine Poland Baltic states mostly.
everyone who says that communism is bad is a retard. my grandpa lived in the good old UdSSR and always praised it. people worked for themselves and traded their goods for other goods. everyone was able to get a house or food. people even built their own streets. small communities where formed where people helped each other and provided themselves with everything they needed. no need for welfare. these spoiled niggers, who think that their so called "democracy" is better, don't know what real work is, they don't know what it means to help other people, these fuckers need money to buy some useless shit that doesn't even provide something useful for themselves. hurhurhur communism is bad hurrhurr democracy is good hurhur let's pay 1000 dollars for some useless shit and then complain that we don't get enough money for sitting on our asses and doing nothing hurhurr ...
btfo you democracy loving brainwashed shitheads
>>80595793
Very different from what's happening in the west today, and not nearly as bad. The only countries where this was really bad was the baltic states, but those were directly integrated in the USSR, and it was more of an attempt at making them Russian than at making them international, like in the west. It was closer to Nazi policies than western ones.
>>80595259
I've already wrote in this thread that Ukraine is not a Democracy-Capitalism, its an Oligarchy-Quasi Communism, which is irreversibly tied with Russian sphere of influence (at least in that form)
If you believe that Ukraine is a Capitalist-Democratic Country, You probably believe that Russia is as well lmao.
xaxaxaxa, this post made my day. What a bullshit
>>80578625
>>80596073
k
>>80596163
>my perfect form of capitalism hasn't been tried. Only socialist countries can be corrupt. If there's corruption and cronyism, it can't be capitalism
/thread
>>80578625
Clearly mongols raped your great granny long and hard in 1945, look how retarded you are
>>80596073
>things that never happened
>>80596301
Nice meme.
Now go to your university for another lecture by your professor Shlomogbsky about how rad communism is and we definitely must try it out again!
>>80596073
>then i woke up and realised how big of a retard i am for having stupid dreams like that
>>80595659
You people don't understand Russia, you look and see closed border and no colonies. And you go lke
>look Russians are nationalists
In fact Russia and USSR always had colonies and shitskins. Only they were INCLUDED in the country borders unlike colonies of the West. But result was the same. In late USSR were the same processes that only now starts in the West. Replacement demographics when educated city population were outbred fast by Southern shitskins and entire government policy were designed to promote it.
>>80578625
They fought like lions because Stalin lined men up to shoot them if they took a step back
Ukraine greeted Nazi soldiers with cheers and flowers for their liberation. Faggot.
>>80578625
fuck off back over the wall, Hans, you double agent cunt
>>80597015
>They fought like lions because Stalin lined men up to shoot them if they took a step back
lol CNN nigga.
>>80595283
See
>>80589878
Oh but I forgot: Russians know shit about USSR, only Straya knows the truth. Hope your wife gets commie'd by abos
>>80596301
Sending people to concentration camps because the had more property than what was "acceptable", importing Russians, afghans and Vietnamese (86-89), gross capital missalocation on an epic scale, financial unsustainability, creating slaves out of europeans and Asians, and you still defend this shit? Bet you also like the EU don't you.
The only form of nationalism that survived under the Soviet rule was out mutual hatred towards the regime and the Russian invaders that brought it and pillaged out lands.
>>80596879
Never even went to university.
>>80596932
>In fact Russia and USSR always had colonies and shitskins. Only they were INCLUDED in the country borders unlike colonies of the West.
This is true, but that's just a result of colonizing a continuous landmass. The only way to prevent that would have been to genocide all of them, but I guess even back then it was considered unethical.
>In late USSR were the same processes that only now starts in the West. Replacement demographics when educated city population were outbred fast by Southern shitskins and entire government policy were designed to promote it.
That's a possibility, but then everything was going wrong in late USSR. Stalin would have never made that happen.
>>80597015
>They fought like lions because Stalin lined men up to shoot them if they took a step back
That's mostly a myth. Stalin was pretty harsh, but retreat wasn't completely forbidden. If that were the case, no soldiers would have been left at all since the front moved so much.
>>80596932
French colonial policies were similiar to russian.Cyka blyat than.
>>80578625
The 1% control 99% of the wealth in America. Capitalism has failed, communism will be extremely successful if implemented properly.
>>80583070
why is it ONLY the nigger tier communist states like Poland, Russia, and Ukraine, and the delusional ones like the Baltics, that bitch about communism. From what I've heard from family members, Czechoslovakia and Hungary were just fine under communism because their citizens knew what they were doing, and weren't slobbering retards like poles.
>everything is owned by commie state
>there's no competition
>government has absolute control and can do whatever the fuck it wants
>they just build cheap housing that falls apart and people pay rent to live in miserable conditions
>no advancement besides military advancement and thats only because the government needs it
communism not even once
>>80597703
>no advancement besides military
Society would be much better off if every technology besides medicine and defense stagnated for a few decades.
>>80597271
You're totally right but in this case it doesn't matter.
He's a fucking leaf. He has been born in one of the most prosperous countries in the world and told by his media, entertainment and government that communism is a cool underground progressive thing that will bring us all love, peace and equality, give power to the people and destroy the establishment.
> "The result? The result you can see. Most of the people who graduated in the sixties, dropouts or half-baked intellectuals are now occupying the positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, educational system. You are stuck with them. You cannot get rid of them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern. You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black. You cannot change the basic perception and illogical behavior. In other words, these people, the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible. To rid society of these people you need another twenty or fifteen years to educate a new generation of patriotically-minded and, and common sense people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of United States society."
>enslaved imprisoned and murdered hundreds of thousands of soviet citizens
>corrupt as fuck
>not even communist
You do realize that soviet pows who fought like lions but got captured were ore often than not gulagged for surrendering
>>80596073
Exactly, East Germany was fine because it was made up of white people. Russia and Bulgaria were terrible dictatorships because Russians and Bulgarians are no better than niggers in their genetic ability for things like impulse control and regard for human life.
>>80597875
no it fucking wouldn't, especially since medicine doesn't just magically evolve without other sciences like robotics
are you gonna tell me next that the dark ages were the best thing that ever happened? fucking hypocrite
>>80597507
>communism will be extremely successful if implemented properly.
Unfortunately, it requires 100% devotion and selflessness from the population, thus unachievable in foreseeable future.
>>80597611
Learn some hungarian history,and we can talk again.
>>80597507
Factual mistake. http://money.howstuffworks.com/one-percent-control-third-of-wealth.htm
> It's important to make a distinction between income and wealth because income inequality and wealth inequality aren't equal. According to research originally done by economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez, the top 1 percent of income earners took home 17.67 percent of the total income -- less than a fifth -- of everyone in the U.S. in 2008 [source: Alvaredo et al]. To qualify as the top 1 percent of earners, you need to make a little more than $500,000 in cash income in 2011 [source: Rampell].
> Wealth inequality is far greater. According to an analysis of Federal Reserve data by the Economic Policy Institute, the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans control 35.6 percent of the total wealth of the country -- more than a third [source: Allegretto]. Even more incredible is that the richest 10 percent of Americans control 75 percent of the wealth, leaving only 25 percent to the other 90 percent of Americans.
Oh the wage gap. So true, when your country accepts niggers and Mexicans by truckload. Clearly, the system doesn't work—otherwise why is it that I'm typing this from my top-of-the-line computer on a stable Internet connection in a clean apartment with all needs met? Checkmate, capitalists.
>>80598056
a slower advancement rate would be acceptable. Your setting up a false comparison. The rate of technological advance before the dark ages was infinitely slower than the rate we have today, and it wasn't having the horrific social and economic effects that we are seeing down the road today.
>>80598227
My mothers family lived in Hungary, dumbass. Nobody was starving, you guys had a great education system, you even had the right to set up small businesses. You were doing fine.
>>80597611
> Poland, Russia, and Ukraine, and the delusional ones like the Baltics
So just most of the Warsav pact members.
Anyway bretty nice one.
>>80592749
It didn't. Hitler borrowed money which did that.
>>80578625
Biggest shit post in history, gud one germony
>>80578625
>Economical boom for a whole decade
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>>80598475
Yeah, because most of them were nigger slav countries. Germany, England, and most of the Nordic countries would do fine under communism, assuming they didn't import shitskins.
>>80598095
>>80597507
There have been plenty communes in history, often founded by hippies. None of them particularly notable because they all were pretty shit. I guess they didn't realize that working in fields wasn't the same as smoking weed.
>>80598475
It's the same thing as asking, why doesn't Haiti do good under capitalism?
>>80598451
And how was it achievable?And why did your ancestors left?Why am I wasting my time to someone who this delusional?
>>80578625
>They managed to destroy the Germanic and fought like lions for their own motherland
russia still has hell to pay for the Sino war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
so far they're losing Siberia, in about a decade more states to come.:^)
>>80597611
>american education
gommunism was bad everywhere burger, and nobody likes it except for Bernie Sanders
>>80598994
Rusland has enough land to go around and it wouldn't surprise me if they would gift land to the chinese at some point to leverage them in some way.
Other than that, they won't fight eachother in the next 100 years, that I assure you.
>>80598620
That's what I'm talking about. It's not because communism is shit (though no one really knows for sure), it's because people are shit.
>>80598596
>do fine
Eastern germany still underdeveloped compared to western germany.Still compared to eastern europe it's more developed.
But wasting a much higher potentional for what purpose?
>>80598869
My mom left because she fell for the kike trickery about American prosperity. Basically like all you East European posters. You saw the BMW's, the VCR's, the "freedom". .
>>80599209
development =/ quality of life.
>>80599167
Communism sounds good on paper until you actually have to work and sacrifice yourself for the collective wealth of society.
I always said that you can't reach the ideal of communism because of the flawed nature of man.
Regardless, this still means it's shit, since we could never apply it properly.
Plus, the only true communist country to ever exist was Leninist Rusland. everything after that was more of a autocratic personality cult
>>80599324
East germany have lower quality of life compared to western germany.
>>80599432
And east - east germany has a lower quality of life than east germany, what's your point?
the further you go east, the cuckoldry stops, but the crumbling infrastructure and corrupt govts begin
>mfw the only people praising communism ITT are westerners who never had to deal with it or its consequences
>>80589686
Yes burgerland is better, you will be jailed for collecting rain water.
>>80599273
If you go out with some usefull job degree,and you can get a job there,you can earn more and pay less for the living compared to east europe.Still you owe me some answers :^)
>>80599376
>I always said that you can't reach the ideal of communism because of the flawed nature of man.
Totally agree.
>Regardless, this still means it's shit, since we could never apply it properly.
Maybe at some point humanity will be in need for communism in order to survive, who knows lol.
>>80599643
lol they're getting communism right now
and we see whats happening because of it (civilian vs state tensions increasing at an all time high)
>>80599843
That's not communism
Socialism is not communism poland, you should know better..
>>80599831
Maybe ! Who knows?
They won't call it outright communism tho'... most likely they will find another gimmick to hide it behind the great veil of collective benefits and mutual understanding.
I really think the nordics would have been able to do it, if not for the arab and nigger cocklovin' fest
>>80597978
That moment when a Russian redpills me on botany... I give up, you carry on with this commie.
>>80600103
romania please stfu you idiot
>>80599167
Read some Ayn Rand, any economics book to understand why it doesn't.
"Real" communism doesn't work because is the total abandoning of oneself's needs. Meanwhile, you can't just be an absolute kike and do everything for yourself, just like you can't do the complete opposite and always think only about society. Healthy people display a perfect balance between asserting their own needs and respect for others. I believe this should be a basis for healthy society, not some stupid utopia.
>>80591360
So East and West Germany were the same, hey?
You will get the Nobel Prize for this!
>>80600186
nice arguments there poland
go clean my toilet
>>80600280
>romani9a
havent you got some copper to steal in my country?
damn gypsy
>>80600344
check your wallet :^)
>>80584274
only filth was unhappy with fascism desu
>>80578625
>Seriously, the Soviet Union under Stalinism was indeed a conservative paradise
Welcome to /pol/ Ms Merkel. Kindly go fuck yourself instead of Europe.
>>80597386
>The only way to prevent that would have been to genocide all of them, but I guess even back then it was considered unethical.
First it was not unethical for Russian Empire. Second RE treated internal colonies like ... colonies and shitskins like ...shitskins. Just like West did with their external colonies. But then gommies come with their """internationalism"""" and start polices of treating them as equals with predictable results (aka demographic genocide of white).
>Stalin would have never made that happen.
Stalin was one who laid corner stone of this. RE didn't have national republics instead it had territorial admin structure. Stalin replaced territorial structure with national republics ruled by national elites to counterbalance leading role of Russian nation that was in RE. That laid up foundation (political and social powers) for national republics to turn into gibsemdats on the government level. USSR in the end cracked exactly by the borders laid up by Stalin.
>>80600404
heh
piece of gypsy shit
>>80578625
i will say though stalinism had good social policies, its only communist economics and jewish anti white influence that made sure it could never be something good
>>80578625
Literally any ideology can work if you rid your nation of Jews and other vermin who work against the nations interest.
>>80600587
rather be a piece of shit gypsy than ruso-german rapebaby
>>80597611
>>80600715
>says sweeden while being infested
>>80600787
Infested with gypsies like you picking pockets during the night and begging outside supermarkets during the day.
>>80599831
"Flawed" nature of a man is Maslow's pyramid of needs. See >>80600190
This meme that "human nature is flawed" is just a hypocrisy coming from Christian times, when rich fat pastors tried to "educate" peasants they parasited on.
In reality, we can't just constantly monitor everything and see that Magnitogorsk could use more baby powder, Vyatka might need more of certain parts for Zhiguli, etc. We can't also constantly depend on everyone else like babies on their parents. On the other hand, the "invisible hand of free market" deals with resource allocation much better.
Communism works for small groups of people with unlimited resources. But especially for huge states like Russia it fails miserably.
>>80600981
Glad you're enjoying our fine exports Sven
Then again I'm sure you'd rather have your daughter slaughtered for not wearing a burka than "losing" your 10 euro filled wallet.
Soviet red pill coming through, step away Sovietboos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAD7XPgN9ek
>>80601086
>This meme that "human nature is flawed" is just a hypocrisy coming from Christian times, when rich fat pastors tried to "educate" peasants they parasited on.
But that's not true, as you very well know that given the chance, most people would eventually turn mad or paranoid with power.even you.
Alongside the fact that we're clearly not as close to eachother as to willingly share all our resources with our neighbors
Think per say it's a harsh winter and you have firelogs to barely last you through it but your neighbor has none. Would you willingly share half of yours and risk freezing half the winter together with your neighbor? I doubt it.
>Communism works for small groups of people with unlimited resources.
It works for any number of people with unlimited resources, the problem as i said is human nature to want to have more.
>>80578625
>conservative paradise
>literally a disciple of Lenin who forced collectivism on serf farmers
What did he mean by this?
>>80589252
Fuck all this irrelevant western social moralfaggotry. Basically Soviet communism led to genetical deevoluton of it's population through genocide and other means, mental degredation and loss of basic abilities like initiative, self preservation and enterpreneurship. As a result 90s were chaos. People still haven't learned to properly stand against their corrupt shit ass governments whitch basically piss on their people. Everyone's principles, culture and mentality is so off the track that it prevents proper progress. Basically they aimed to create a zombie nation. And zombie apocalypse is what eastern Europe experienced in WW2. Combining communism with peasants results in the worst savagery and degeneracy. Your moral standings about gays or abortion don't matter jack shit compared to this.
>>80598475
what is the bait of babylon a reference to
U retarded?
>>80601193
>to long did not watch
Communism turned Russia into degenerate crime ridden shithole with no morals. The culture that Soviet Union left behind was bunch of dicks drawn onto walls of once beautiful church. Some Ruskie bro should translate this shit cause its a good movie.
>>80600981
OK I get it, you were almost 100% white. And so? Your nation VOTED—not just was forced to, but VOTED—for hordes of bbc, mudslimes and other shitskins to be let in. And then your legions of empowered feminist kike-cock-loving cunts applauded it.
So, continue to take pride in your white race "superiority".
>>80601302
Leave your bunica to die andrei and come work la oras for me, I usually pay you animals 200 euros for a fulltime job...come on andrei doctors won't help her if you won't bribe...
>>80601411
>pic related
is how you sound
But I do agree with you in some aspects.
>>80601302
Very lazy people...you gypsys are the worst.
>>80601363
He talked about stalinism
>>80601363
The irony though:
Lenin in his letters begged that power does NOT go to Stalin after his death. He specifically said that Stalin would turn it all into bloodbath.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin%27s_Testament
> Stalin is too coarse and this defect, although quite tolerable in our midst and in dealing among us Communists, becomes intolerable in a Secretary-General. That is why I suggest that the comrades think about a way of removing Stalin from that post and appointing another man in his stead who in all other respects differs from Comrade Stalin in having only one advantage, namely, that of being more tolerant, more loyal, more polite and more considerate to the comrades, less capricious, etc. This circumstance may appear to be a negligible detail. But I think that from the standpoint of safeguards against a split and from the standpoint of what I wrote above about the relationship between Stalin and Trotsky it is not a [minor] detail, but it is a detail which can assume decisive importance.
>>80601193
Video not available for some reason, care to tell me the name?
>>80601655
It's okay, I make that in two days of work but thanks for the offer, (((you)))
>>80601735
Yes, I am aware this is why your kind endured and finally managed to overcome your adversities through education and sticking together. My wife went to jewish private school and told me a thing or two about how you fucks do around it. (No, she's; not jewish, just better education)
What can I say, not all nationalities have the same perseverance
Mfw no new USSR
>>80578625
You are saying the true but the only problem with the soviet union was the antichristianism
>>80589686
This is happening right now in my socialist shitty country, i want fucking capitalismo, not two shitty meals a day
>>80601941
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100738/
Tak zhit nelzya (with Latin letters don't know cyrillic name)
>>80578625
>muh communism
>muh traditionalism
How do you live with the fact that your idol is a MASSIVE fucking HYPOCRITE?
>>80600404
Is polandball also shopped?
>>80602244
Taк жить нeльзя / тaкa нe мoжe дa ce живee In Bulgarian. Thanks, I'll check it out
>>80601302
Well I agree with this, if you read my other comment. Of course one must always assert his own needs, but along with respect for others.
However, Jesus always preached that one needs to give to others and help others in need to enter heaven. And this meme was made into a dogma by the (pretty corrupt) church over the ages. It got memed so hard that it became a part of Western identity.
Now this preaching of mercy and concern for others helps liberals slowly undermine the West, letting in thousands of refugees under the guise of "humanitarian" causes. Literally cucking white Christian people with their own ideology. Thanks Jesus!
>>80578625
>no private property
>totalitarian regime that was executing millions for any little reason or no reason at all
>only miserable and unproductive collective farms were allowed
>conservative paradise
kill yourself
>>80597611
Because everything that got incorporated into USSR got fucked big time. That includes all the areas invaded by USSR before Hitler, such as Baltics. The countries you describe as "fine" didn't have a tradition of fighting against commies for independence. Everything close to Russian border they tried to convert into Russia by force. Czechs, Hungarians and Poles were kept as "allies" under puppet governments enforced by military. All those you claim to "bitch" were directly linked to Moscow. As a result way worse people got appointed there than in everywhere else.
>>80602102
Damn… Listen to the Venezuelan anon.
They wanted socialism. They got it. Now look how their USSR 2.0 turned out, despite HUGE oil reserves. Empty shelves—once again. It's just like Russia in 1991.
I'm liberating scandicucks right now as Greater Finland. Im at war with the eternal angllies and the gommunists are probably soon going to invade from the east. Help me /pol/
>>80601674
You're dependant on your god but there are way older principles of civilization than Christianity that communism goes against. It's sheer unnaturality and perversion of mind make it degenerate.
>>80602664
Well, Jesus presumably lived 2000 years ago so whatever he was preaching doesn't apply to modern day society as the needs and social dynamics differ.
We could have lived together just fine...if nobody would listed to the third world bitching and whining and PC was not a thing.
Just colonize the shit out of Africa and Asia, plunder their resources, make them slaves and fucking live off their land.
The strong survive, the weak perish ..
The meek will not inherit the world - it will be the strong
>>80601193
>>80601603
Russian here. This movie served as a key point in anti-commie state sentiment in Perestroika times. Gorbachyov, however, was hugely inept in economical questions, so this ideological incentive for change was wasted. Moreover, it even made people question capitalism after Yeltsin and Chubais gave away Russian industry to random kikes.
But yep, it shows exactly the result of 70+ years of communism/socialism in Russia. Empty shelves. Rundown villages. Inept economic policies. Country on the brink of collapse because oil went to $10/barrel.
>>80603426
Again, communism is not practical, and i'm convinced it could never be applied today with current historical events ever again in it;s true sense anyway so all this talk about it is a mute point.
Communism is a relic of history, a cruel one...just like others...maybe just like capitalism will be seen in 1000 years
>>80603525
>Yeltsin and Chubais gave away Russian industry to random kikes
That is why that drunk faggot was loved so much by the west. Now everyone gives shit to Putin for being undemocratic even though they lick balls of China, Saudis ect.
>>80578625
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty
He lied about the communist paradise and should have gotten his Pullitzer prize revoked.
He lied about all the famines caused by communism, food shortages -etc.
It is not a good system, and communists and liberals will keep saying 'well, you haven't tried my perfect brand of communism.'
It has never worked anywhere. Communism is just a means to cause a revolution that will put even worse leaders in charge. But do the people who end up in charge care if it becomes even worse? No, they'll be living well.
gulag = didnt happen
wait wait wait ... maybe it was something else ...
>>80596073
>btfo you democracy loving brainwashed shitheads
There are retards that enjoy living in Somalia. That doesn't make it a good country. Nice fallacy, though.
>Communism
>Traditional society
>Conservative
>Family values
>Stalinism
>Nationalistic
I know this is a bait, but you should still commit sudoku.
>soviet union was ebin XD
>sponsored the degenerate leftist movements spoiling western civilization as we speak
Go shoot more drugs in your shriveled vodka dick Ivan.
>>80603838
The U.S.S.R. had lied and kept what happened in the country under wraps for a long time. All the genocides, the famines, the food shortages, the police and military violence -etc. Once it fell, it all came out.
How many more threads will you autistic lefty/pol/ neckbeards start?
>>80603970
>>80578625
>>80603497
>>80600836
>>80601811
>>80578625
>getting ruled by georgian and ukrainian jews for decades
>based
"no"
>>80603486
It's true—if it wasn't for multiculturalism, Europe would still be going pretty strong. However, there are other traitors which now help cuck the West— see Sweden for example. I'm talking about LGBT, feminists, BLM and so on.
Marcuse made pretty much Marxism 2.0. He realized workers were too well-fed to be revolutionary class. So he turned to enlightened college students, fags, dykes, trannies, feminists and American blacks to create an all-new army of panhandlers.
Now look at Japan. That shit doesn't fly with them. They can have cartoon tentacle porn, but they don't have none of that any minority shit. The economy is superb considered they live on a tiny mountain island with few resources.
I think this opens a case for what might be a fault in Christian ideology: the excessive, showoff mercy. Japanese are merciless people and they're proud of it. Hence nearly no socialist shits.
It was redpilled only because of things everyone talks shit and hate nowadays. Forced industrialization and collectivisation. It was the reason USSR wasnt fucked in the butt for decades like some middle eastern oil colonies in the 20th century. Unfortunately it took milions of lives to do it, but there was no other way thanks to feudal russian imperial governing style. Real revolutuion was taking place not in 1918 but in 30's when colossal concentration of recources in the hands of state happened. And space race was the peak of it.
Too bad communist party didnt understand country couldnt compete with the west using methods from 30's(forced and totalitarian). You can't build post-industrialization economy stuff like good cpu's, commercial succesfull civil planes or space shuttles by forcing scientists to settle in some closed siberian shitholes for years.
I hope there will be revolution once again, cause we have only two ways now: keep the degradation(just keep selling oil n shit) and become true northern nigeria, or revolut to make country relevant and not shit once again9start producing shit with high фdded value.
Also people of the state and property should be devided. Praise Stalin xDDDD
t: Kungurov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM9emE3iy_I
>>80603831
Yup, you got it exactly right. Nevermind that Yeltsin gave way to insane corruption and chaos in Russia while abusing his tzar-like power. Nevermind he was called out by Western papers for his offshore accounts owned by his family members.
Well, at least he realized he fucked up, resigned and gave power to Putin. And Putin is THE guy to fix this kind of shit. So Yeltsin started a fire, but at least he called 911.
>>80605040
>collectivisation
> worked
Yeah right. Kolhoz system was so inefficient, Soviets even gave people dachas just to give them some way to get more of food. To think there was so much free land but not enough provision.
"You ever tried Ukrainian food? So did they".
>>80596073
Braise Merkel xDD Gommunism strong
>>80604567
Well, I for one think the tides will eventually turn.
There are enough people who are opposed to this "new" ideology and it will eventually have a boiling point.
What I hope is that we'll all have the military might to stop the progressive tanks rolling through our plains and installing love and freedom everywhere or else we're all doomed.
Oh really? Because that's sure as fuck not what my Ukrainian and Polish relatives told me, faggot.
>>80605449
i didnt say it was waorking good when people started to get dachas(60's), but it was the best for 30's. and dont try to tell me something other was efficent, because long russian tradition of famines was stopped not by imperial govermnment, but by soviets.
>>80578625
It's not surprising that Jewish Federation citizens look back kindly on JewSSR
Disgusting.
>>80605830
The problem is moral justification. The West seems to be eating up the progressive fairy tales with an appetite, and even asking for more—see Bernie Sanders supporters who nearly memed a jew communist to presidential nomination.
The truth is, I actually tried really hard to seek some moral base against multiculturalism. But modern Christian morals enable all forms liberal cuckery. People think they get higher moral ground by it. Hence picrelated
It's not about the religion with its customs anymore; it's that Christian morals, which are deeply ingrained in national mentalities, still stir Europeans and Americans to consciously seek cuckdom and guilt—despite they label themselves as atheists. And alas, I think this will continue as long as Christian cuck morals aren't disputed deeply.
>>80606612
I agree with you, but what I'm trying to say not everyone is the same.
Alongside with people waking up more and more to the harsh reality that presents itself.
Albeit it's a slow process, but by no means is it not achievable.
Sadly they have to see the error of their ways first and have to bump their head against the wall 20 times before doing any change.
>>80606131
Do you even account for Soviet famine of 1932-33?
> because long russian tradition of famines was stopped not by imperial govermnment, but by soviets.
More like by industrial fertilizers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines —notice how the only countries which experienced hunger after 1950 were literal shit-tier states like Somalia.
Also, see Khruschev's corn initiatives, fish days and all that shit. Implying Russia was still prone to hungers in XXth century is a rarely seen level of idiocy.
>>80603651
Capitalism is actually a made up term used for left propaganda. It's quite a pointless term. It basically translates into using resources of certain value in a private initiative in order to procure resources of greater value. Any form of private establishment really. The only question is how many regulation state imposes on private sector. Anti-monopoly laws, protectionism, health inspection, consumer rights etcetc. True capitalism is probably present only on illegal markets, everything else is some form of state regulated market economy. You can't trust production and services in the hands of state appointed officials since the state is the worst shit-tier administrator possible.
>>80607140
>Do you even account for Soviet famine of 1932-33?
of course, dude. but this shit was taking place for literally 1000 years before and only stopped in 20th century.
>More like by industrial fertilizers
wow, like imperial russia ever produced some. its just result of mass education and research made by scientists, including soviet scientists.
>Also, see Khruschev's corn initiatives, fish days and all that shit. Implying Russia was still prone to hungers in XXth century is a rarely seen level of idiocy.
the last generation in my family line which lost some kids in their early age(few of my grandma siblings) was the generation born in late 20's. i think it says for itself.
>>80601086
I actually see no problem for small scale communist communes.
All forms of government depend on poulation density.
Communism works on a small village scale.
Capitalism works on a very large scale and it also works on a small village scale as well.
It's not that communism doesn't work, the problem is that it only works in a very limited setting and it doesn't do a better job than capitalism in small niche it does work in.
>>80607769
>of course, dude. but this shit was taking place for literally 1000 years before and only stopped in 20th century.
You heavily remind me of "Moskva and Moskvichi", the book which generally can be summarized as "everything in Russia was shit until brave Party came and fixed all that".
Many countries went throught the same shit. Ireland for example.
> Dan Albone constructed the first commercially successful gasoline-powered general purpose tractor in 1901, and the 1923 International Harvester Farmall tractor marked a major point in the replacement of draft animals (particularly horses) with machines. Since that time, self-propelled mechanical harvesters (combines), planters, transplanters and other equipment have been developed, further revolutionizing agriculture.[108] These inventions allowed farming tasks to be done with a speed and on a scale previously impossible, leading modern farms to output much greater volumes of high-quality produce per land unit.[109]
>The Haber-Bosch method for synthesizing ammonium nitrate represented a major breakthrough and allowed crop yields to overcome previous constraints. It was first patented by German chemist Fritz Haber. In 1910 Carl Bosch, while working for German chemical company BASF, successfully commercialized the process and secured further patents. In the years after World War II, the use of synthetic fertilizer increased rapidly, in sync with the increasing world population.[110]
You generally attribute longevity/health/food advancements to Soviets which is incorrect. They occurred everywhere in the world in roughly the same time (or earlier). Soviet scientific advancements helped but they weren't the main cause.
I could as way say Putin gave us iPhones, broadband internet and 4chan.
>>80607912
Yep, I also said so. But really, it's just as Adam Smith said: I'd rather work 40 hours a week for someone else, earn $60,000 and have all needs met, than work pretty much all the time for a commune and barely have food to survive. So I'd actually go for assimilation of communes to larger capitalist societies, because everyone would benefit in the end. Capitalism is the system where the sum of all parts is greater than if they are taken separately.
>>80608435
you are right, but pre-soviet regime didnt give shit about any of things you are talking about at all. soviets were still better than imperial shiet.
for some reason private landowners of russian empire couldnt afford tractors and concentrating recources of the whole country was the way russia started the mechanization of agriculture. you know somalians
>Many countries went throught the same shit
human history doesnt know anything similar, wtf are you talking about? there were no other feudal countries based on agricultural economy, that faced such shitty productivity of agriculture, lack of fertile soil, such population growth and made such a fast industrialization jump in literally 15 years(korea and china doesnt count ayyy).
>>80583070
Nice meme.
Millions of former Soviets and Yugoslavs are nostalgic for the old days.
>>80590354
>not real capitalism
>>80578625
>communism
>redpilled
>>80578625
was your grandma raped or something ? wtf german bro. wtf...
even slavs cringe reading this chuckpoetry.
>>80610449
This is kinda cute.
Nigga, why do you think the pill is RED?
>>80578625
The leaders of Communism are All JEWS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBzmiLWFGgg
Putin; 80-85% Bolsheviks Revolution were Jews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6p1zxKnDeM
THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS "COMMUNISM"
http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-new-world-order-is-communism.html
http://communismbythebackdoor.tv/
The Secret Holocaust - The real holocaust was a Christian Holocaust by Jews of sixty-six million, mostly Christians.
http://www.rense.com/general86/realholo.htm
Communist Atrocities and War Crimes from 1918 - 1945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9fFg923PmE
Ilya Ehrenberg - The Man Who Invented The 'Six Million'
http://rense.com/general75/ehr.htm
The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
http://www.thechristianidentityforum.net/downloads/Gulag1.pdf
Russia and the Jews
http://www.germanvictims.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/WALENDYsolje-Russia-and-the-Jews.pdf
A collection of reports on Bolshevism in Russia
https://archive.org/details/collectionofrepo00grea
200 Years Together
http://www.radicalpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/200-Years-Together.pdf
Oh yeah, it was so fucking redpilled.
I just miss all these food shortages, propaganda and misery.
God bless communism (not)
>>80610946
> I'm old enough to remember USSR
R-right.
>>80597507
>if implemented properly
>>80601555
Dunno.
>>80598095
> Unfortunately, it requires 100% devotion and selflessness from the population, thus unachievable in foreseeable future.
Read some Marx. Socialism is based on greed and egoism.
Devotion and seflessness - that's capitalism and (especially) nationalist propaganda. Take a look at your own Victory cult. Soviets had 9th May parades every 20 years. You have them every single year, despite nationalist Russia being on a losing side.
Where the Finnish allied more with Nazis during World War 2?
If so, why? To keep Soviets out?
At first glance they always look like Nazis with their uniforms too.
>>80612567
They seemed like an efficient unit of killing machines.
Communism is only good at hurting its own people.
>>80595659
>When did mass immigration happen in the USSR?
All the time, it's even happening now with Stan people and caucasus people coming to the Russian areas and cities.
Millions of them live in Moscow.
>>80578625
It was fine. Fact of the matter is, regardless of the government, all that matters is stability. Long as your family is fed and got a place to sleep, if you feel secure and safe, there's nothing to complain about.
Poles, balts, and all the russian liberals who were born too late can complain about it all they want, but if it was so shit it wouldn't have gotten the first man and woman to space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNQCmiEoV0Y
I'm not even a commie, I'm a monarchist, but all this butthurt is getting really tiresome.
>>80612567
>>80612873
Also, seems like they didn't persecute Jews and held heir own against Germany.
Finns seemed fucking based - didn't take shit form anyone, not even the Germans.
>Finnish Jews were not persecuted, and even among extremists of the Finnish Right they were highly tolerated, as many leaders of the movement came from the clergy. Of approximately 500 Jewish refugees, eight were handed over to the Germans, a fact for which Finnish prime minister Paavo Lipponen issued an official apology in 2000. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in the Eastern Front of the war.[21] Finnish Jews fought alongside other Finns for their country's freedom.[22]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Finland_during_World_War_II#Finland_and_Nazi_Germany
But can anyone red-pill me further?
>>80584274
Wat?
Plenty of western people visited Nazi Germany and loved it
Only people who hated it were Jews and commies and look at what they've done to the world
>>80578625
sovok killed half of europe, the fuck
>>80578625
I stopped reading when you said conservative.
They would have taken my wealth away from me to give to common good that I don't agree to. That's Tyranny.
>>80613300
We have all of those things in capitalism,. plus things that make our lives easier, plus a system that allows us to make something more of ourselves. Oh, and freedom. Some people, including people like myself, aren't content with a livable life. We want more. We want to make something of ourselves.
>Pic
And the dead bodies. And don't forget the shitty standard of the schools, hospitals, and libraries. Don't forget that the people would have become poorer as a result of the occupation. Don't forget that no one consented to this.
You red cunts are delusional.
>>80584274
The whole world loved the Nazis before the war. They held the 1936 Olympics, Hitler was Time Magazine's person of the year in 1938, other Nazi parties began springing up in several western nations, etc.
Sounds like you're just butthurt that most people would rather live in a world where pretentious faggots like you are exterminated.
>>80578625
Confirmed for never having opened a history book.
Instead of improving infrastructure and education, Stalin put all free resources towards heavy industry and bu extension weapon production. He genocided Ukranian farmers in the process.
And on top of that, every few years he would execute all leading officers in just about any government agency.
Great fucking governing that is.
Oh, I didn't even mention the GULag System. That must have been fun.
>>80612311
If it was based on greed an egoism then the populace would rise and take what they desired. They would want freedom.
But no, you are a fucking idiot. It is only the greed of the lower class that would normally be too weak to seize what they desire. You can't say it's based on greed and egoism when only one specific kind of greed and egoism is tolerated. At this point it becomes socialism.
That's the debunking of the narrative anyone. Socialism is hyper capitalism. The people at the top, very select group of a few thousand people, live comfortably and uncontested due to the FORCED labor of the people beneath them. Socialism and communism are in literally every way worse than capitalism.
>>80578625
Stalin
Antisemite
Had two jewish wives
>>80597611
>Czech fine under communism
>Hungarians fine under communism
>Bulgarians fine under communism
>Romanians fine under communism
Go into said country, proclaim that loud, and wait magic to happen.
>>80614512
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
>>80613845
Are you about to tell me that capitalist countries don't have shitty schools, hospitals or libraries? Or that you've lived in the soviet union and personally asses the quality of their infrastructure? Or that it's fine that capitalism leaves bodies all over the world as long as its not in its backyard. And how many dead natives and aboriginals did it take to build these societies? Every country worth mentioning has plenty of blood on its hands.
The thing about freedom is it's relative. What you consider freedom may be seen as completely absurd by someone who spent their whole life living off the grid. People are content as long as their bodily needs are met, they are secure and they can perform their biological function. You're just a spoiled child too used to your comforts to imagine how people throughout the entirety of history lived in such a manner.
>>80578625
> checks flag
cuck
>>80601411
Well said!
>>80597978
Fucking this. Communism makes people into less than sheep, it makes them into stone tablets, unable to learn or change mind, despite evidence. Those people are lobotomised
>>80578625
>Doesn't know history
>Doesn't know economics
>Doesn't know basic principles of human behavior
What do? Become a communist of course!
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