>blacks want segregation
>we want segregation
Racial conflict would end without a single shot fired and both sides would be happy. There is literally no downside to this.
Yet, moderates from both sides oppose this. How can we convince the general population to give segregation a second chance?
>>80561024
Where will they segregate themselves to? Will they live without White aid?
I'm black, i've got white friends. I'm not for this.
I've also got black, hispanic, viet, mixed, and canadian friends.
What you propose is retarded and impossible. To prove this, i will ask you, how will you deal with me? Or any of the persons you intend on forcing this idea onto, what if they have a single friend of the opposite race they will not part with?
Another one of /pol/ finest
>>80561176
>Where will they segregate themselves to?
Hopefully Africa. But some niggers want to carve up part of the U.S. I'm fine with that as long as the land mass is reasonably small and the population is already filled with niggers (i.e. southern states). We want to disrupt as few white lives as possible with the transition.
>Will they live without White aid?
No, they'll probably do what niggers do when there's no white people around-- fuck, kill, enslave, spread disease. They'll probably be begging to come back in a few years.
But just imagine... 3 years at minimum without niggers. Imagine what we could accomplish.
>>80561024
>racial conflict
kys senpai, niggers are the only ones who want confilct. We just want our farm equipment back and reparations for property stolen by Lincoln.
>>80561317
I sympathize with you, I really do. But the statistics are clear: American niggers are incapable of living with civilized people in peace. Even if you individually aren't a threat to us, your children or your children's children will certainly be. See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean
>>80561317
Oh and to answer your question. If you have different race friends, you can choose to stay with them if you wish, but not in white cities or black cities.
>>80561317
Russian style Autonomous Republics/regions/states. Preferential treatment of blacks, guaranteed black governor/parliament/police force, with representation in the national parliament.
We carve these autonomous areas out of the south/big cities where blacks are the majority/biggest demographic group.
Blacks thusly are nominally free from white rule and are now responsible for their own communities.
Just like Russia/China, if an autonomous area successeds, great, if it doesn't, just let Dagestan/Inner Mongolia lie in its own filth. And if it tries to gain independence, firebomb Grozny/Tibet/Memphis/New Orleansand start over again a decade later. If they want they can deport white people out of the territory, and we can deport blacks to these republics/states, just like every single other large country handles ethnic groups.
>>80561749
Keep in mind, your end-all solution won't solve any real problems your society has been surrendering through.
Crime is a problem for all races and all societies, it's best tackled by all races. together.
It's truly sad to hear you guys really speak about black people sometimes. Blacks have been dealt a shitty hand in this life, creating complex problems that you guys don't seem to try to decode, but to just 'send away'.
Intelligent people solve problems. Lesser intelligent people out-source their problems.
>>80561024
I've said it once and I'll say it again.
We should set up a colony in Europe similar to what was done in Liberia and encourage white who want to live in a white only country to emigrate there.
It would be a good pressure valve for the fringe members of society.
>>80561024
Aren't we still technically segregated?
I mean whites know better than to live in street trash neighborhoods.
>>80561024
Wait, how on earth did you arrive at blacks want segregation? I'm having trouble rationalizing this out of the black lives matter movement.
>>80561607
>We just want our farm equipment back and reparations for property stolen by Lincoln.
translation: we want slaves and everything everyone else owns because we all traitors and sheeit
>>80562673
>crime is a problem for all races
>>80563050
>blacks want segregation?
They don't. And neither do whites for all intents and purposes. But there does exist black nationalists. Their arguments are hypocritical as there is already extant places for them to be repatriated to.
>>80561024
BLM wants one sided segregation, not actual segregation.
>>80563050
BLM has said they don't want white police in black communities or white laws to apply to them.
>>80563416
What's the crime demographic? What type of crimes? Drug crimes?
Do you expect me to get a complete mental picture of an entire event with a single freeze frame?
>>80563541
Don't get me wrong, I get all of that. This is 1960's all over again except nogs don't have any liberty to fight for. They just say, "If you can't understand why we need justice then you are part of the problem!". I just want to hear how OP extracted that blacks want separation from other races.
>>80561541
Top kek. So dry, anon.
>>80563857
Yes they definitely don't want law to apply to them, but does that mean they want segregation? Not having white police in a black community is definitely not segregation for the record.
>>80561024
Aren't the niggers mad there's a white guy in the front? Kek niggers always in the back
>>80561024
>Blacks want segregation
>Whites want segregation
>Whites in the BLM protest group unchallenged and unharmed
Uh huh.
>>80562673
There is no solution for Blacks, since their problems are genetic. They are incapable of creating and sustaining civilization, even when surrounded by it. We pick up the slack for their shortcomings, and that's all we can do, but we're berated for not making them more intelligent and wealthy.
>>80561317
Prove you're black or get the fuck out.
>>80562673
Blacks are dealt the same hand in central America as Indians, for example. Same education, and most of the time even more opportunities.
Yet, despite living in places where there's absolutely no institutionalized racism, they chose to live in filth, crime and the same disrespect towards authority and organized living.
If you want to feel like a special snowflake, because it's so hot right now, go for it. Go and travel for a while and experience life from others point of view and you will realize how pathetic the whole BLM bullshit really is
>>80563923
The infograph proves that poverty =/= crime.
>>80562673
Please don't take the people on /pol/ as a representation of even the right. These guys are basically cartoon characters, the flip side of the coin from leftist SJWs. They're mostly butthurt early 20 somethings with inadequacy problems.
They look at a handful of stats and think it endows them with the "red pill" truth. Once they accept their narrative, they're as guilty of confirmation bias as the next retard.
Yes, the black community has major problems. Yes, too much is blamed on "the white man". But the solution is to fix the problems in the black community, and that requires bridges of communication with as many sensible black people as possible, and you seem to be one of them.
inb4 a bunch of low-energy "cuck" responses
>>80561541
>Hopefully Africa
Never in a million year. You'll have to give up parts of America and to be quite honest I believe this is the only defensible position. We're talking about a people who was forcibly extracted from their ancestral land and then had their original culture, language and identity completely erased either through race mixing or "slave education", making a new nation all on their own, the African Americans.
Not only this, but their "homeland" natural development was completely disrupted by the intervention of the various European power, who molded Africa as they wished and for their convenience and left it with artificial countries barely deserving the name of nation. These pseudo nations would seldom welcome the arrival of the African American, with their distinct culture, habit, language and expectations.
So you'd have to give up some states ombre.
>>80562673
>blacks have been dealt a bad hand
>whites are obligated to fix it
No, fuck off. Your kind was offered the gift of civilization and you rejected it. Whites owe you jack shit.
>>80564419
When you say Indians, I assume you mean Native Americans. Communities with high Native American concentrations are complete garbage. They're filled with drugs and crime.
Native Americans make up less than 1% of the population.
And even with all that being said, Native Americans were never enslaved and they never had their culture made essentially illegal. Not saying that blacks had it worse, but blacks had it MUCH DIFFERENT. So it's not surprising to see blacks having a different cultural reality.
>>80561317
This isnt a /pol/ thing. The new black panther party says they want segregation.
>>80564787
>the gift of civilization
Nigger IQ on full display.
>>80564534
What are these major problems? You have to understand that I have privilege so I'm completely oblivious to them.
>>80563923
Fuck off nigger. The time for logical arguments is nearing an end. I wanted things to work, truly I did. But just watch the nightly chimpouts live on /pol/.
Jesus Christ,mothers comes a point where a man has to say "there's just no reasoning with these god damn niggers. Look how they loot our businesses, shut down our roads, rape and commit violent crime at 8x the rate of whites, and use an equal amount of government aid as whites, even though whites are over 6 times more represented in this country."
There's only one solution here. And don't try to rationalize your "special case" among the black community either. Arguments like yours have held off tensions and conflict for decades, but there comes a point where savages will be savages.
In the end you'll see your efforts would have been better spent telling niggers to stop behaving like savages, than trying to explain your situation to whites over and over and over.
>>80561024
Blacks don't want segregation, they want reparations.
>>80564880
>Neo Black Panthers
Literally who?
>>80564709
African niggers didn't even know what a nation was prior to European colonialism, you stupid fucking leaf. Africans hadn't even invented the fucking wheel when Europeans arrived. A. FUCKING. WHEEL.
How is it that the most heavily colonized parts of Africa happen to be the most civilized? South Africa, the Ivory Coast, etc.
Colonialism was the best thing to happen to Africa.
>>80564932
Over 70% rate of single motherhood, a disproportionate reliance on the welfare state, which is cultural cancer (these two problems go hand in hand), and leftist identity politics that do their best to tell you that nothing is your fault and you're fucked from birth in the white system.
These kinds of problems compound. Segregation occurs naturally because nobody wants to live around blacks, and blacks have an inferiority complex, combined with a lack of education, so by and large they not only fail to succeed but refuse to succeed. The War on Drugs creates incentives for gangs to make a cheap buck, so they do that. Gangs destroy the neighborhoods, and nobody wants to invest money in places like that.
Then there's this cultural homogeneity crabs in a barrel mentality in the black community, exacerbated by identity politics, where the mere idea of speaking properly, getting a standard education, dressing in a respectable manner-- they're all viewed as being white impositions on black people, a mark of white supremacy and "respectability politics" which the left legitimately REJECTS.
There's so much bullshit working against black kids before they turn into the "niggers" they so often become. They're fucked by their families, their neighborhoods, their political parties. But the main thing is here that they're fucked by having their mentality of victimhood reinforced. The secret is that black people COULD succeed if they just fucking did what white people do.
>>80564790
So you have lived for 20 years in central America too?
You need to get to the part when native Americans were basically erased from the map by Spaniards.
Nice try but still, my point remains.
>>80561024
>without a single shot fired
Unless this segregation involves shipping them out of then country then that is laughable. You know what will happen if they got a "BLM/Black Panther country" on American soil?
They will try to start a war.
How do I know this? Because Liberia, Haiti, and even Baltimore in its current state already demonstrate what an all nigger country will ultimate turn into. National failures with broken governments and general anarchy.
What takes this to war is the one stereotype of niggers that is no often talked but is arguable their most destructive stereotype: Their refusal to admit to their mistakes. They will obviously not blame their "country"'s destruction on their failures as a people and instead blame whites and even other races for it. They have pulled the race for decades as a way to make excuses and now not even LITERAL, PHYSICAL SEPARATION will make them want to let that go.
So they will attempt to wage war on the Whities and Honorary Whities. They will make up a bunch of bullshit and leaps in logic to claim that the state of their country is our fault and that stealing our property and murdering us is a fair result. This will then lead them to getting completely decimated and slaughtered by the American majority and its military, militias, gun enthusiasts, hunters, and anybody willing to engage. Their land will end up going back to the United States.
...That may sound like a damn good conclusion ultimately from /pol/'s perspective, but it definitely won't be pretty and it definitely does not mean peace and agreement among both sides OP. Someone is going to end up unhappy in the end (and dead).
>>80565360
He's talking about slavery, not colonization.
>>80564534
/pol/ represents the right, just a dark enlightenment version.
The issue with black communities is cultural. One that is dictated by black people. Whites cannot help, we just sustain the blacks till they figure it out themselves. Blacks won't listen to what they need to fix until they fix it for themselves.
Its the same with a small child and telling them "That's hot" They won't understand what is wrong with touching it until they actually touch it, but once they touch it, they get it.
The only thing that stands in the way of this is black culture. It destroys the family, and that's the basis of American culture. It is what passes down the ethics of the last generation, which unbroken gives morality and the ability to succeed.
>>80561317
Here's how well fucking deal with you.
>>80565360
It doesn't fucking matter. The African American population of America is distinct both culturally, ethnically and historically from the rest of Africa. It makes no sense to send them back there on the basis of the fact that their ancestor were extracted from a society long gong that happened to live on that continent.
Their connection to it is symbolical. They form, quite literally, the African American nation.
>>80565120
The people that murdered 5 cops the other night. They seem to be the most relevant black nationalist group right now. Would you agree?
>>80565663
I agree entirely. Whites have done everything they can do, and, at this point, accusations of racism and bigotry are just recruitment devices for right wing nationalists and racial extremists.
I seriously hope that the black chappies will figure it out soon.
>>80565663
>The only thing that stands in the way of this is black culture.
Strong hypothesis.
>>80564709
God fuck stop making us look bad you cunt
>>80561024
I'll raise you one. Use some tax payer monies and send them back to africa.
>>80561024
I want deportations. Black are great people you know. Africa deserves them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmFSR2E4sCY
>>80565503
Oh, I misread your post. I don't know shit about Central America so it'd be wrong for me to make any comment on it. If I had correctly read your original post, I wouldn't have.
This doesn't mean you're right, it just means I'm not equipped to counter you.
>>80565911
It's just the culture were all the same man here have this blunt
>>80564534
>But the solution is to fix the problems in the black community, and that requires bridges of communication with as many sensible black people as possible, and you seem to be one of them.
No, the solution is to stop the white (liberal) meddling in black communities, a.k.a. segregation.
>>80565753
Too bad, all the nigs regress to the mean. Let them go back to Africa. We're done with niggers. I'm done with niggers. I don't want them anywhere near me. Don't want to see one or hear one.
Centuries in America - Still can't speak proper fucking English. Yeah, they should GTFO.
>>80565497
Aquà si estamos 100% de acuerdo. Por eso me molesta que los defiendan... Ellos mismos deben solucionarse, no esperar que les hagan la vida más fácil solo porque, según ellos, la tienen peor que otros
>>80565817
>Some guys who killed cops called themselves black panthers
>This means the black panther party is active and not just a bunch of angsty faggots doing akin to whites with the neo-nazi crap
Sorry, I'm not worried about a defunct group. Personally I'm more worried about the followers of the one named kek, they seem to be growing in power.
If we, /pol/acks, just talked to niggers we could absolutely create harmony.
Black militancy will be here for as long as the welfare checks keep coming in.
They can look out their windows and blame white people for their lack of education and jobs, the way they treat their own housing and communities, and glorify violence.
If they didn't have Whites, they'd have to look in mirror to find the real causes. This is totally unacceptable.
>>80566174
Unfortunately, we don't speak ebonics.
>>80561024
>>>80565360
>It makes no sense to send them back there on the basis of the fact that their ancestor were extracted from a society long gong that happened to live on that continent.
Tell that to the fucking kikes
>>80561024
>we get 100% segregation
>13% of american soil becomes black territory
let's say for simplicity that the other 87% of people in america a white
>87% of America becomes White soil
>fast forward 2 years
>the black area is africa 2.0
>they slowley but surley start chimping out again
>will try and sneak into white America whenever and whereever they can
>all while screaming racism
>war
oooorrrrr
>round up all niggers and if need be use violence to send them across the Atlantic back to their home
>build wall and throw the mestizos over it
>kindly ask the Asians to leave
>gas the jews
>mars colony by 2025
Screencap this
>>80561024
Sure. Send em to Alaska. Hell, take the sjws with them
>>80566100
The op was about segregation, not repatriation, which is stupid concept when it comes to the African American and considered from the point of view of nationalism.
What you suggest is more or less deportation / war / ethnic cleansing and it shows absolutely no respect for the African American as a people, who everyday have to live in a country which they feel isn't their own as a consequence of slavery.
>>80566115
Because just as lefties calling anyone who disagrees with them serves as recruitment propaganda for the right, going around calling black people niggers serves as recruitment propaganda for the left.
The cure for blacks is conservatism, individualism, self accountability and basically an embrace of right-wing politics. It doesn't help to feed into their deep-seated, leftist reinforced paranoia that the Republicans and right wingers hate them and will never accept them.
>>80561176
Send them to Detroit. Let them build their pyramids.
>>80565497
How are any of these problems the fault of anyone except the self. Literally every single thing you described is the result of a person with naturally low intelligence making bad decisions.
Nobody forced black fathers to leave. Nobody forced black men to become fathers. Nobody forced black mothers to choose the path of least resistance. Nobody forced someone to believe an ideology that is absolutely asinine. If this is an issue of cultural incompatibility in a "white system" then why stay? Nobody is forcing them to stay downtrodden and shackled. White men gave them their independence long ago.
>>80566612
>>80566043
We are all blank slates with genetic predispositions that with proper training from a young age can be overcome.
>>80566174
I truly believe we could with a section of them.
>>80561317
You do realise you could give both those blacks and whites who want segregation their own nations and everyone could do as they please? I doubt many people on /pol/ would want to forcibly bring sjws into their communities.
>>80566897
everyone else*
>>80566830
>Blacks are like domesticated animals
Okay, B.F. Skinner.
>>80566830
>We are all blank slates with genetic predispositions that with proper training from a young age can be overcome
Still falling for the nuture meme, huh?
Go ahead and name me a single successful black person with a sub-90 IQ.
>>80566646
You have such an apparently simplified view that I'm almost wary of discussing it with you. I dunno if you're just riffing for fun or if you're seriously interested in a discussion on a nuanced subject. Let me know cos I'm not really into a /b/tier exchange atm.
As a gesture of good faith, I'll just say that if you follow the timeline of the black "culture" with actual interest and attention to detail, you can see the picture forming to the point where it is now.
One thing I can say is that the Democratic party is one of the major reasons that blacks could never get past the high watermark of the 60s.
And even if they were of "lower intelligence" I think it's silly to assume that equates to a total inability to function in a society that's already laid out for you. They're still human beings, whether you'd like to admit that or not. Just because they're not going to be filling the ranks of theoretical physicists doesn't mean the only alternative is being crime-addicted savages. A 10 point IQ deviation wouldn't account for that by itself.
>>80566440
I can't tell if you're being ignorant about Alaska its citizens or are TOTALLY aware what Alaska and what its citizens will do.
If the former, then fuck you. Stay out of Alaska.
If the latter, you're pretty brilliant. Give the hunters a new type of game that they can hang on their wall and make extinct.
>>80566522
I guess you're right. But that's an issue reserved for North Americans and Europeans. I don't feel that the rest of the world has problems calling people what they are
>>80567029
The most of the NBA and NFL.
>>80566513
Would colonialism be racist if the colonizers were black as well?
>>80567161
Between the climate and the citizens, it's a win-win
>>80561978
They tried that with Baltimore.
>>80567029
Everything about this question suggests that you're just a meme machine yourself. IQ scores are themselves a meme. If I tell you that someone you don't like has a high IQ, you won't believe me. If I tell you that someone you like has a low IQ, you won't believe me. If they make those claims respectively, you won't believe them.
Have you ever taken an IQ test? Have you taken more than one? Have you noticed that they often test different things? They're not standardized. Have you ever noticed that you can get good at taking IQ tests? Do you accept all the studies you see or just the ones that fit your narrative? I'm guessing if I showed you even one study that accounted for your simplistic views, you'd probably write it off as kike propaganda or something.
>>80566612
Will never be 100%, Mexicans are already encroaching and have taken over south west Detroit. Downtown, Greek town and Mexican town are the only places you can feel safe in Detroit. Im sure you can see the trend.
>>80562673
>Crime is a problem for all races and all societies
Yeah, we all have to deal with negros at this point.
>>80567300
Don't be an ass. Michael Jordon bounced balls around. He didn't cure polio or invent the telephone.
>>80567078
It's not just IQ.
Blacks process information differently.
Blacks have a completely different function of impulse control
Blacks prioritize things differently than whites
Black social norms are different
Whites and blacks may indeed be "equal" in some ways, but their innate differences are what will keep them hostile in white society, and unable to function without it's assistance.
>>80567308
Not necessarily but it could still mean the destruction of whatever social organization used to exist in the land which was colonized. When the Arab colonized east Africa they pretty much just destroyed everything related to their previous way of life to replace it with Islam, hence the fact that today they are Islamic. This is the way of the arabs.
The point is that colonialism disrupt the well established customs of the native population whether it's racist or not.
>>80567078
I'm being completely serious. Like I said, I'm just wearing privilege blinders. I'm a simple man, and I find beauty in simplicity.
Modern society in the USA doesn't have any other cultural incompatibilities in the way that we do with black people. We enslaved Asians for the rail road and put the Japs in internment camps during the war. We currently legally enslave Hispanics; every race has done injustice upon another race. Yet the black community is the only one that feels so very robbed of something they refuse to define.
Like I said earlier in the thread, every time you ask a black person what justice they are missing in society their inference is that you are apart of the problem with no explanation as to how or what the problem is.
>>80567438
>IQ scores are themselves a meme.
..........do you know how well IQ score correlate with job performance as reported by the employer versus other kind of selection test for employment? Or how well it correlate with educational achievement? Or the way IQ correlates more with the biological parents than it does with the adoptive parents in certain studies?
>>80567554
>blacks process information differently
Non-sarcastically interested in what you mean by this and what evidence you have to support it. Also, what can these differences be demonstrated (by causation, not correlation) to affect in black behavior.
>blacks have a completely different function of impulse control
Again, not sure what you mean by this and would be interested in even a reference to some kind of study. I don't expect you to go find it for me but even a reference would do. Also, I don't have a hard time believing that they do. But impulsive people don't just automatically become human garbage criminals. Can you support that these innate psychological differences would make as much of a difference as the cultural and social influences we have plenty of evidence to cite in regards to criminal behavior among blacks (namely being poor as fuck, fatherless, uneducated, ingrained with low self esteem, etc.)
>blacks prioritize things differently than whites
No reason to believe this is anything but cultural.
>black social norms are different
This is cultural.
Look, believe it or not, I'm not some SJW who's giving you shit for being a racist. I get it. I see them chimping out and it makes me want to start the race war. But that's just an autist's fantasy. Serious people ought to be thinking about solutions.
>>80567528
He provided entertainment, one that people across America were willing to spends billions on. Millions of American's loved and cherished the memories of his talent, as they do with art, music, etc. It has just as much value as those "noble" humanist pursuits.
>>80561317
Iq regresses towards the mean. If you breed your kids will be closer to an iq of 80. Sorry bout it. We're better off with out yah.
>>80564709
Those black only states would contain unbelievable suffering just like Africa has. Better if we lived in a welfare free society so the smart ones could live with the smart whites and have lots of kids while the poor would have less
>>80566830
>>80567014
>>80567029
niggers are like zebras. they can't be domesticated.
t. (((Jared Diamon)))
>>80561317
>I'm black, i've got white friends. I'm not for this.
Say we were to create a seven states country for the African American people. You elect a black president, interact with black cops, have black senators, produce black movies etc.
This is bad?
>>80568451
>>80561024
>WE WANT SEGREGATION!
>b-but we also want gibs me dat...
Eliminate welfare entirely. Anyone who cannot make it on their own deserves to starve and die off. Vagrants turned looters will be culled by police.
Then let's see how much they want to be free of the "white man".
>>80568449
>Those black only states would contain unbelievable suffering just like Africa has.
Whether that would turn out to be true or not once the separation is done it's done. The degree of suffering in other country is not our concern. What does concern us that we not be the cause of it.
Furthermore, there is already evidence that, at a social level, irrespective of what you may believe about innate differences between the races, the effect of diversity are a net negative, so that there is no use forcing the concept on society as if we gained something from it. Diversity has a certain set of intrinsic qualities which fragilizes society.
>>80565084
>more gibsmedat
Place all niggers in cordoned off areas on this map alongside suburbs and everything will be fine
>>80563416
Hey I agree, but those are shitty graphs and it even states the data may be underepredented.
Bar graphs are shit without hard numbers.
>>80565084
And what could be more of a reparation than a couple of states to form a new country? A lump sum payment would be meaningless and would compare nothing in contrast to the amount of social wealth and capital whites have accumulated over the years. You can give a black family a check, it won't turn them into land owner, CEOs or senator. They'll just be a group of people with no power and cash to burn.
But a country? With capital already in it? Where they hold all the positions of power? Yeah that's reparation with interests.
>>80561541
As an Alabamian I am willing to sacrifice Mississippi to make this work.
>>80567844
I do. Are you aware that blacks and women actually produce markedly worse scores in tests across every category when the test form asks them to fill in their gender or race prior to taking the test?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11414722
Regarding a study of transracial adoption and IQ:
>Scarr & Weinberg (1976) interpreted the results from age 7 suggesting that racial group differences in IQ are inconclusive because of confounding of the study. They noted, however, that the study indicated that cross-racial adoption had a positive effect on black adopted children. In support of this interpretation, they drew special attention to the finding that the average IQ of "socially classified" black children was greater than that of the U.S. white mean. The follow-up data were collected in 1986 and Weinberg et al. published their findings in 1992; they interpreted their results as still supporting the original conclusions.
inb4 kike
Also, let's assume that blacks are worse at TAKING IQ TESTS. This still doesn't mean they're just flat dumber across the board, but let's assume it's true.
Their average IQ, from most of the "studies" (and by studies, I mean infographics posted on /pol/) still put them around 93-95. That's WITHIN the average range for IQs. It wouldn't account for them being full blown crime monkeys.
But society can.
Why is every majority-African-American city and suburb always crime-ridden? Even the wealthiest one in the US, Windsor CA, has a disproportionately high crime rate. Is it just rayciss police putting the black man down?
I challenge you to find me a city or town with >50% African-American population that has a low crime rate.
>>80566681
Rip Phil Hartman
Give them their own country, and there would be instant warfare to see who would be Kangs.
Shit would go down that would make George R.R. Martin look like a hack writer.
>>80561024
>fringe black supremacy group wants segregation
>typical racist white fuck wants segregation
>SEE? EVERYONE WANTS SEGREGATION
it's such a brilliant idea that it didn't work even when the populations were literally segregated!
>>80569457
It did work, blacks didnt vote, they had their communities, their families were intact and if they got out of line they got lynched.
The communists fucked it up.
>>80566646
How hard do you really want to lean into biological determinism? Negros today the Irish tomorrow, it will never end. Isn't that a form of the identity politics we are supposed to be fighting?.
>>80569598
>segregation worked because niggers literally had guns pointed at their skulls
wow, such freedom and democracy! go live in somalia, shitbag.
>>80567844
>in certain studies.
>>80569218
About stereotype threat, I have this article to refer to :
>Hard Truths and Half-Truths about Race on Campus, Part II
>Stereotype threat is (still) overblown vs standardized test validity denialism
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/rabble-rouser/201606/hard-truths-and-half-truths-about-race-campus-part-ii
Up to you to see how much of it apply to the paper you linked.
Also, is what you quote from the 1976, performed on children, and with no further support? Adult IQ is the relevant factor and I believe other studies were conducted after 1976 on this subject, of course. But it's not as if I had a relevant index of all the studies.
As for your 93-95 figure, pic related is another info graph you might appreciate. It comes from : http://wps.prenhall.com/wps/media/objects/803/822654/psychplace/genintell/genintell.html
You then have to combine the potential for race differences in IQ with the bad social effect of diversity, the later multiplying the former. (The perception of racism becomes a huge issue.)
>>80569769
They didnt have guns pointed at their heads. They had actual families, they had businesses, they made money, their communites were safe for them to live in. That was all ended by the left and what happened, the whole thing blew up.
Look at murder rates in cities in 1960 compared to 1975. Its staggering.
>>80567740
We didn't enslave Asians. One of the major differences is that Asians maintained their family units and they kept their culture. They kept their language. They kept their religion.
The black man was robbed of every shred of belonging he had to his ancestral origins. And if the attitudes of the "muh white race" posters on /pol/ hasn't tipped you off, that can be pretty important.
Also, even if you want to call what happened to Asians "slavery" you know it was nothing near the degree and duration of what happened to blacks. Part of this is probably because, on some level, Asians were at least viewed as having some kind of a civilization where they came from. Blacks were basically seen as jungle animals that were put on Earth to be domesticated.
I'm not just saying this to amplify the "muh victimhood" shit that I think is a black person's worst enemy, but no one has had it a bad as black people through history. Note I'm not talking about all the blacks in Africa. I'm talking about this specific group of blacks in America whose ancestors were treated -literally- like animals, who were systematically and intentionally beaten into submission over generations.
>>80567740
All that being said, I agree with you that blacks, being largely uneducated and misguided, can't really provide much argument beyond "muh white supremacy" and, yea, they're going to want to make excuses for themselves. This isn't just a black thing. Poor white trash scum aren't simply the genetic failures that all congregate at the bottom of society. Poor white trash continues through generations and is dicated often by regional circumstances.
One of the major problems with this is that the left and the Democrats pander to this kind of mentality because it keeps the blacks reliant on them and thus keeps the blacks voting for them. The left and the dems and the Jews, whatever you want to call it, would like nothing more than to keep blacks dumb as fuck and poor as fuck so that they can keep voting blue as fuck.
Everybody knows that welfare destroyed the black community, but it's too embarrassing for most blacks to admit that. Their single motherhood rate, as I said before, is cancerous. Science has continuously proven that single motherhood, no matter what race, creates a higher propensity for crime and poverty. The list goes on and on but the point I'm trying to hammer in here is that the left keeps the black man from opening his eyes and joining the civilized world, and you can see this in literally every retarded thing they say and do.
>>80569625
Fairly hard. Aside from your first question, I'm struggling to grasp what exactly you mean.
>>80569888
Witnessed. I know of no study which disproves this unless the IQ tests were taken with children.
>>80569995
They tested them at 7 and then again at 17. Not sure how adult you require, but 17 is typically around the time nigs start nigging out. If IQ was the main factor here, that's when it would be a factor.
>>80570123
Apologist. The post.
>>80564534
You don't understand that as a community it's easier to blame whitey and it plays into behavioral biases. Why change when you can blame the outgroup for your problems and then go about your merry way?
This is a universally shared trait across humanity and it's never going away. Only strong external influences can mitigate this defensive behavior. Segregation, maybe.
>>80569995
Blacks would be fine with an average IQ of 93-95, hell, they'd be fine with 90 according to that infographic. And since upbringing and education have been shown to have at least some marginal effect on IQ scores (and it certainly appeals to common sense that they would) you could expect that even if they were capped beneath whites and Asians, you could still see a bit of improvement if all blacks were to integrate and "act white". It's a pipe dream but there's no reason to rule it out as a pure impossibility.
>>80570501
Actually, if you'd read my posts you'd see I do understand that. I've been saying it's one of the major problems in the black community and that it's massively reinforced by leftist politics.
>>80570146
>Poor white trash scum aren't simply the genetic failures that all congregate at the bottom of society.
So genetics can matter after all.
>>80570432
Not an argument. The post.
>>80564709
Most of the niggers here, ancestor were not slaves, their ancestors came over here long after slavery ended, so we don't owe them jack sheeeeiiitt.
>>80570600
They show marginal increase in IQ score in childhood which then tend to go away in adulthood when the full development is reached. Assuming IQ in the 93-95 range, we still have a situation whereby you got 30-40% of the black population which, according to this graphic, are anywhere near between 35% to 55% likely to drop out of highschool.
That performance gap is gonna show up in the stats, the crime rate, the single motherhood rate, all of which is gonna compound on each other, and then the social effects of diversity are gonna kick in, which means that this gap will be interpreted in the context of a white society with a history of oppression on the blacks.
It's a shit cocktail that seems perfectly designed to keep everyone into a perpetual gridlock.
>>80570665
First of all, I never said genetics don't matter. I've never denied that genetics could create differences between blacks and whites. In fact, I've often accepted the possibility that blacks are less "intelligent" than whites.
What I've been suggesting is that it would take some strong evidence to suggest that the level of genetic variation is as large as you or others would like to claim and, more important, that it seems less plausible that the genetics would be prevalently responsible for the abysmal state of the black community, especially when so many obviously demonstrable social factors are at play that are quite clearly contributing to the abysmal state of the black community.
And if we're being real with each other, I think a lot of racists would just find it more gratifying on a tribal level to think that blacks are just inherently inferior (meaning whites are inherently superior) and leave it at that. So there's a definite motivation to chalk it down to genetics than to accept the possibility that blacks could, even in theory, function in civilization.
>>80561317
kill yourself then, my boy.
>>80570041
You're talking about a drastic change that occurred immediately after a bunch of racist democrats decided to switch parties because they knew they'd lost control of their party after Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act. The whole while, whites, having to witness the advancement of coloreds, their eloquent political leaders, started to realize that integration was seemingly inevitable. Instead of preparing for the transition, they fucking bailed and supported economic policies that would ensure the downfall of blacks along with propagating drugs within black communities.
There's NO WAY blacks could've facilitated such an amazing 180 degree turn without government involvement. After the assassination of the major political influences during the 60s that would have spurred the course of American enterprise and development for all citizens, we got the KKK that tried its best to rationalize fiscal policies at the detriment of one particular community.
Think about it. Generations of advancement reversed within a mere decade. And you think blacks were the sole contributors to the decline? Please.
>>80566897
Let's just give the SJWs California and let them secede. We just need to do it before the wall is built.
>>80570123
I can't buy into the idea that one type of slavery is worse than another. Slavery has obviously never been exclusive to nigs, and I find it a bold statement to say that African American ancestral slavery is the apex of slave atrocity in the world.
What is it exactly about past civilizations that saw black people as subhuman trash? Was it really just their skin color?
The left's enslavement of the black man and necessity of immigrants for votes strikes me as Molymeme tier collusion. Is a leftist agenda really so hard for people to swallow that they would need excessive amounts of minority votes to survive? It doesn't seem that way to me. Especially when nearly everyone in my current peer group is college educated left leaning. Yet, I admit that my world experience is infantile.
>>80571024
American public education is catered to the lowest common denominator. Legitimate idiots can succeed in the public school system, and even in the community college system. And once you transfer into some basic university, you don't need brilliance there either, just a reasonable work ethic.
I'm running out of time, but I bet if you tested black students raised in majority white, wealthy neighborhoods with two parents and white friends, you'd see most of them passing HS and going to college and getting jobs, not going through puberty and turning into Tyrone and sticking up a liquor store. Because nobody is asking them to be geniuses or even to be as smart as whites on average. That isn't necessary to get a piece of the pie in America.
>>80569167
>>80561024
here is the resolve, black conservatives can live in white areas so long as they behave properly, nigger blacks MUST REMAIN in their area and will be held in jail no bond for 48 hours and released back to their area, same goes for any libcucks
>>80571165
>What I've been suggesting is that it would take some strong evidence to suggest that the level of genetic variation is as large as you or others would like to claim and, more important, that it seems less plausible that the genetics would be prevalently responsible for the abysmal state of the black community, especially when so many obviously demonstrable social factors are at play that are quite clearly contributing to the abysmal state of the black community.
I'll grant all of those. The problem is that they don't perform super well in Sweden either, and there's something about their under performance in American universities in spite of affirmative action which makes it all seem so unnaturally sluggish.
> I think a lot of racists would just find it more gratifying on a tribal level to think that blacks are just inherently inferior
Unfortunately for me and my diseased mind, I might have a better inkling at what a "racially minded" person may say about the matter. You don't actually gain any personal satisfaction from these conclusions. At a visceral level, you just don't want to live with them for some reason. This is the true vested interest.
I don't know why this is so. Is it just appearance? That'd be dumb. I may be sick. But it seems as basic as a preference for the taste of sugar. I'd get fucking crucified for saying this in public but I don't know why it is. A good sociologist could absolve me by telling me it's all about the influence of implicit white supremacy in my culture. I'm just a victim or something.
>>80571565
>but I bet if you tested black students raised in majority white, wealthy neighborhoods with two parents and white friends,
How new are you?
>>80571541
>I don't buy that one type of slavery is worse than another
Then you're just being willfully ignorant.
If I enslave you but I let you live in my house and fuck my concubines and run my finances, and then release you after 5 years, I suppose that's not better that if I enslave you, immediately cut off your cock and testicles, and send you to work in a sulfur mine. Cos one form of slavery is no worse than another.
Actually, American Slavery has one competitor as far as being one of the most fucked up forms of slavery in history. That would be the Arab Slave Trade. And making eunuchs out black men was something they did, in fact, do. In some ways they were more "humane" than Americans, in some ways they were way more brutal. You had a better chance of being freed by Arab slavers, that was at least true. Same as in Rome and Greece and Africa and pre-colonial America.
The main problem with the American slave trade, beyond all that, is in the outcome. It's the fact that they're still here, and the divorce from slavery wasn't amicable in the slightest.
Niggers can fuck off back to Africa
>giving niggers their own haiti state
Those monkey savages would destroy it in a week. Their idea of a "protest" is stopping traffic and business!
>>80571541
>I can't buy into the idea that one type of slavery is worse than another.
The slavery where they cut your dick off is qualitatively different than the one where they don't which is also different from the one where your a family servant. Even within the context of American slavery, a field slave is worse off than a house slave.
>>80571541
Also, the left's politics, and the reason why all your young friends are into it, is SOCIAL JUSTICE, FIGHTING FOR CHANGE, FIGHTING FOR THE OPPRESSED! YEA! WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD AND STOP THE NAZIS!
In order to do that, you need to have victims. Well, as you know, that's anyone who's not a cis white hetero male. But there's a victim hierarchy, and blacks are on the proverbial top. So it doesn't just appeal to them, it appeals to them and everyone else who wants to cash in on victimbux, and any white people who feel guilty and don't want to be seen as rayciss.
It's a pretty good strategy and it's working.
>>80572061
What a typo. I didn't mean to say that Arab Slave Traders are still cutting off black guy's balls. I don't think they are. But either way, I'm not saying they are.
>>80571909
>didn't include the standard infographic refuting my supposition with his post
I guess about as new as you.
>>80565084
You can either choose equal rights and opportunity under the law or a Correction for History. But you can't have both
>>80565817
>Black Nationalism
Time to go to Africa if they want that
>>80571855
Haha, either way I like your style.
>>80561024
What do we do about the half breeds? Do we label them as colored? Are different colors segregated? Should cross-breeding be allowed?
>>80565663
>The issue with black communities is cultural.
blacks have the same crime rate across the world. How is it cultural.
Crime correlates with race way more than culture. For example Asians in America like Asians in Asia.
>>80571565
>I bet if you tested black students raised in majority white, wealthy neighborhoods with two parents and white friends, you'd see most of them passing HS and going to college and getting jobs
I don't know about that specifically, but pic related.
Keep in mind, through all of this, whites are having to worry about their own children's education while also taking care of black kids via the state. It's even worse that their kids often have to share educational institutions; institutions that have to cater to the less intelligent blacks. This is all before even touching upon the awful behavioral problems of black students.
>>80572061
>>80572252
Diction error.
The idea I was trying to communicate was that I can't accept that American slavery is worse than Roman slavery is worse than Christian enslavement by Muslims. In all cases, you're property. I assume that varying levels of severity and mutilation occurred in every instance of regional slavery.
You're right about the left's dependency on victims, but what is the ultimate goal? Say for instance we reach absolute egalitarianism in society. What happens to the left? Their political stance is self terminating as far as I can tell.
>>80566043
>>80566830
>We are all just animals guys. With the proper training from a young age even Chickens can succeed.
Do you hear yourself talk?
>>80561024
Instead of racial segregation there should be liberal/conservative segregation. I identify more with a black conservative christian than a white Athiest demisexual genderfluid SJW bernie supporter
>>80569293
Really makes you think
>>80564358
>Prove you're black or get the fuck out.
I major in Aerosoace Engineering and minor with Computer science, that should be suffice identification
>>80572929
This.
Sticking a nigger in the middle of whites will help the nigger but their is still a clear genetic barrier. Plus the second that nigger comes into contact with more niggers the entire thing is ruined as they will drag his IQ down.
No shit a bear raised by wolves is going to act like a wolf. Too bad it never will be a wolf and the second it meets another bear it will become more bear like.
Really makes you think
>>80561317
I'm half-black, and I'd really, honestly not have to go live in a black community, for obvious reasons. I've been raised around white people, and i identify with them more than any other race.
>>80561317
>To prove this, i will ask you, how will you deal with me?
There is always a solution, even if it may be final.
>>80572951
It is. But a lot of leftist politics has to do with giving the participant a sense of meaning and is not a necessarily espoused in the spirit of a practical solution to meet practical challenges.
Marxism predicted an end of history and a subsequent utopia. Being a marxist meant being part of the inexorable march of history and progress toward justice. This feeling is more important than the policies.
>>80572951
I mean, purely from principle, slavery is slavery is slavery, but differences in the overall treatment of the slaves (being racially and permanently relegated to slavery, for example) will obviously have different effects on the slaves.
One of the main points to keep in mind is that essential fact that the African American slave was purposefully and systematically stripped of his culture identity (language, religion, family) and then essentially indoctrinated to be a permanent slave class.
Romans made no effort to do any of this. Their slaves weren't cogs of their industry, they were mostly just luxury items for the aristocracy. Punished slaves might be sent to die in sulfur mines or gladiatorial games or something like that, but there wasn't this permanent slave class. The children of Roman slaves were pretty much always granted Roman citizenship. It was clearly much better and didn't result in homogeneous class of slaves that would resent the Romans for generations to come.
Also, I agree that the left is going to collapse on itself. As for the ultimate goal, it's hard to say without going full blown conspiracy theory. They have a lot of goals. The main goal is always to stay in power.
>>80573355
Prove your black with a time stamp or i'm going to assume your lying. Just take a picture of your arm its that simple.
>>80568463
Life is not one-dimensional, my not-so friend
>>80573489
Where are the drugs coming from?
>>80573632
t. has no understanding of History
Where did you learn all this bullshit History? White people are evil and blacks can do no wrong because everything they do is a result of them being slaves a hundred years ago.
>>80573700
What kind of fucking non answer is that...
>>80562798
This exists and is known as iceland
>>80573863
>drugs are the prime reason for crime
The drugs are coming from capitalists. Are you one of those retards who thinks the government for some reason pushed drugs onto the nigger community because dey be raycis n sheit. It couldn't possible be that niggers are more willing to do illegal things like crack and murder.
>>80562798
Whites are not all one race. If the colony needs to be set up we have to do it in America. Sub races are still important as full races.
>>80574212
Reminds me of this.
>>80573695
??
We don't want segregation we want an end to police brutality and the ever encroaching nanny state.
You can smear all the shit you want on the grown men that have been killed but don't forget of the minors that have also been executed by the dogs of the state your race has seen casualties too...
>13% off america given to niggers
the thought is disgusting
>>80574807
Bitch holding land doesn't profit you if it's with people you don't consider your own. Two nations within a same polity is crap and for intent and purposes, places like detroit are already their own country. California is a Latino colony.
Just skip directly to the acceptance stage of grief.
>>80573608
Is this in the Manifesto?
>>80573632
As far as being the permanent slave class, my empathy has grown because they have been exploited from every side. But it goes back to my prior question about why nigs? Why were nigs specifically chosen as the sub human class? Why do nigs only ever reference the white race as their permanent oppressor when it really was the entire world that made them dogs? And, to attempt to reroute this back to your original posit, what is to be done about this? How do we bridge these gaps when the majority of nigs absolutely won't have it? If we break through to intelligent blacks, they're isolated from their community because of the whitewashing reasons you previously discussed. Its another example of them out sourcing their problem, and then using leftist policy to sustain themselves.
>>80574670
=')
>>80574983
yeah but think of all the globes that would have to be made
>>80575002
>Is this in the Manifesto?
I think it's more his theory of material dialectism and his notion of "internal contradiction of societies" resulting in class struggle. The ultimate victory of socialism would bring about the abolition of all classes, the classless society where oppression wouldn't be possible.
>>80574063
Drugs, including alcohol, affect a lot of communities. But where communities have specialty trades (manufacturing jobs) that disappear, depressed people looking new work might use drugs.
situational circumstances can increase drug use variably.
>>80575198
Invest in globe stocks now, m8.
>>80561024
Literally destroy the corrupt Soros funded pedophile Jew circus you call a government... Second civil war after the people Win give niggers three adjoining States call it new Africa and let them kill themselves and go bankrupt then clean the mess away when they all go extinct from lack of welfare... Simple... Haha America land of the free liberty for all... What a FUCKING sick joke
>>80561024
>Racial conflict would end without a single shot fired and both sides would be happy. There is literally no downside to this.
I agree, multiculturalism doesn't work.
>>80574807
Don't worry, they'll trade it back for a few truckloads of Flamin' Hot Cheetos and malt liquor once the EBT runs dry. Essential supplies for the people, they can't live without them.
>>80561317
3d Printed houses and robots.
You have skype for your friends. Face it, you never leave the basement anyway. Why does it matter if your "friends" are on another continent than you?
>>80574018
Brb moving to iceland
>>80571855
Well played. I'm loving the discussion, and your responses characterize exactly how many on this board feel. We are not a bunch of intellectually dishonest, mental cretins. All of us, for the most part, grew up in this multiracial society called the Unite States, and have befriended many people from different backgrounds.
Why would any decent person, after years of being told that everyone is equal, and having a disposition of good faith, reasonably conclude that blacks are a genetic liability? I would much prefer to listen to my Chance the Rapper album without considering to what degree he has been afflicted with the dindu disease, creating a hatred for all the white guys like me who want to "appropriate his culture."
I have had enough! I am 26 years old, born in a nation that overcame slavery to the point where Barack Hussein Obama could become president of this great country, and the apex of African achievement is...pants up don't loot? This fascinating sociological experiment is one for the ages. And many of us are just catching on to what we can without the convenience of irrefutable, scientific-genetic proof of disparities and their deterministic consequences.
