http://www.onbeing.org/program/albert-einstein-the-negro-question-1946
Einstein's piece is worth a read. If you are a poster on this board who considers yourself to be a rational person, you will read the link before you respond.
He honestly hits the nail on one's susceptibility to be being shaped and influenced by one's upbringing.
Thoughts?
>>80559090
(((Einstein))) was a scam artist who stole the relativity theory
>>80559265
For the sake of argument, even if such allegations were true, (which they are not) it have no bearing or relevance to the discussion here.
I bet you didn't even click on the link. You immediately went into your austism folder to post a photo to mindlessly self-indulge yourself. You sure show me.
>>80559090
>Ask /pol/ to be rational and have a discussion
>They don't reply but instead want to post in the latest Donald Trump or "dindu" thread
And you wonder why the rest of the board thinks you're worse than /b/
>>80559996
Actually, I suspect the Jesuits gave Einstein his fame simply pulling odds and ends from the private Vatican archive of suppressed knowledge over the eons, in return for being 'the Jew who invented the atom bomb' - the greatest heretic removal device evar!His live in girlfriend was apparently the real math genius. In any case...
It is what it is, if the nignog deserved respect they would get it - it is earned not demanded, in some ways they are earning that in the modern sporting Colosseums, in the athletic games of beasts and freaks. In reality, under the great Sun of Odin, no life matters, maybe least of all black lives.
>>80561166
>I suspect the Jesuits gave Einstein his fame simply pulling odds and ends from the private Vatican archive of suppressed knowledge over the eons, in return for being 'the Jew who invented the atom bomb'
Literally Tinfoil: The post.
>>80559265
Michelson was a Jew too. /pol/ BTFO
>>80559090
>There could be no talk of racial differences. And yet Aristotle, one of the great Greek philosophers, declared slaves inferior beings who were justly subdued and deprived of their liberty.
It is peculiar for a putative genius not to recognize the possibility of inherent differences between people at an individual level. Aristotle isn't the only one who maintained that the "essence" of a slave was not his race and that, therefore, there could be slaves of any races, or even slaves within a single race, where the master was subjugating someone of his own stock.
We also know more now about races than we did back in 1946. Our knowledge will only grow in the future and, as time passes, the consequences of our mistake will only compound and show themselves ever more clearly in the new society that emerges.
(See : https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/07/09/our-dumb-world/)
In any case, diversity is still a sham and not a worthy ideal to pursue. It makes the minority feels like an alien and the majority feels under attack. It's the social equivalent or arthritis.
>>80559996
>it have no bearing or relevance to the discussion here
That's correct. Just like how a physicists opinion has no bearing to the discussion on biology or psychology or psychiatry. Therefore you've made a pointless thread.
>>80561861
>http://www.onbeing.org/program/albert-einstein-the-negro-question-1946
You should have posted the next sentence in your quote.
>It is clear that he was enmeshed in a traditional prejudice from which, despite his extraordinary intellect, he could not free himself.
You missed what he was saying entirely. He wasn't articulating that Aristotle couldn't recognize inherent differences at the invidual level. The very core of his argument is that Aristotle, in even trying to rationalize the difference between master and his stock, is a prisoner of his own biases, without even knowing it.
>>80562143
Your analogy doesn't even make sense. You should feel ashamed for not contributing anything to this thread.
Aristotle made no relation between slavery and race. His thoughts on it were pretty much "to the victor, the spoils", meaning you can do whatever the fuck you want to conquered communities. Human rights were not a thing in Greece.
>>80562618
>Aristotle made no relation between slavery and race. His thoughts on it were pretty much "to the victor, the spoils", meaning you can do whatever the fuck you want to conquered communities. Human rights were not a thing in Greece.
See
>>80562351
>>80562351
>You missed what he was saying entirely. He wasn't articulating that Aristotle couldn't recognize inherent differences at the invidual level. The very core of his argument is that Aristotle, in even trying to rationalize the difference between master and his stock, is a prisoner of his own biases, without even knowing it.
Yeah, no. That's Einstein's interpretation of Aristotle position but it's not Aristotle's position in Aristotle's words, so that if I take what Aristotle said at face value I don't need to accept Einstein interpretation, which is nothing more than a projection of his modern sensibilities on a theoretical framework developed in the past.
Aristotle and some other American other I don't remember the name of, believed that there were different essences of men and that some of them were "slave by nature". You may want to explain this position as being the result of prejudices, and it may be true, but it is not necessarily so, because that's not at all the way Aristotle thought of his own view.
Einstein is obviously an egalitarian, and good for him, but Aristotle wasn't, and so the only way he can explain Aristotle's position to himself is by saying he was prejudiced, and the only reason he says this is to explain to the people to whom he is writing they they are also probably prejudiced. But I don't have to buy Einstein's interpretation of the work of someone else, his description of its genesis.
>>80562351
>those who are as different [from other men] as the soul from the body or man from beast—and they are in this state if their work is the use of the body, and if this is the best that can come from them—are slaves by nature. For them it is better to be ruled in accordance with this sort of rule, if such is the case for the other things mentioned.[5]
>Aristotle
I don't care that you explain this as "prejudice". In Aristotle's view it wasn't. It was merely a particular application of his essentialist theories.
>>80559265
Michelson didn't contribute anything to the formulation of Relativity. He was, in fact, a proponent of the Luminiferous Aether model, and his entire interferometry experiment was designed with the intent of proving the existence of the aether. His experiment failed to find the proof he was looking for.
Lorentz developed the mathematical framework at the heart of Relativity, the Lorentz Transformations, but this was in the pursuit of developing a frame-invariant transformation law for electromagnetic fields and he made no attempts to push the applications of the transformations beyond that. In fact he outright dismisses time dilation and length contraction as 'mathematical artifacts' with no physical meaning or implications. Poincare expanded on the work of Lorentz but, again, only looked at the electromagnetic applications of the transformation laws.
Lorentz derived the transformation laws from the postulate of electromagnetic invariance - the assumption that you should be able to transform electromagnetic vectors between frames and still preserve information about the fields.
Einstein's paper started from a completely different postulate - the assumption of a constant speed of electromagnetic field propagation. Einstein demonstrated in incredible detail that the transformation laws fall out as a natural consequence of this assumption. He also took things further, looking at the implications of time dilation and length contraction, not as mathematical artifacts but as physically meaningful phenomena.
THAT is why Einstein gets the credit.
It's also worth pointing out that Poincare, the Frenchman, was the only one who got ticked off about it. Lorentz was impressed with Einstein's work, extended an invitation to Einstein to attend the first Solvay conference a few years later, and was the first to come to rally behind Einstein when he presented his General Relativity model.
He never refutes the initial point that they are less intelligent, irresponsible, and all around know by anyone who has dealt with them to be a pain in the ass. He just brings up slavery and criticizes whites. He admits to not having dealt with them and tries to critical theory his way out of that problem without knowing more about them than those who have had to live with them. Well it's been over sixty years and the same statements about blacks remain true as ever, and they have even expressed a desire for neo segregation. Einstein was simply talking out his ass, and OP is just using an appeal to authority
>>80563419
Just because a man wishes to live a slave, doesn't mean that slavery is of his essence. Hope is a thing in life.
>>80559090
link has crytolocker
>>80563959
>THAT is why Einstein gets the credit.
Einstein got the nobel price for the photoelectric effect, not relativity. There are some current papers on the Poincaré connection and Einsteins deliberate omitting of sources.
By todays standards Einstein violated scientific research, publication practices. Einstein was lucky that Poincaré died.
>>80559090
honestly there is no substance to what he is saying.
even the idea that our "ancestors" dragged them from there homes and brought them over here. it totally overlooks not only the complicity of other blacks in this, but also the roles jews played.
and there is no organized effort to hold down the black man. people are free to associate with who they want to and do what they wish, but of course there are natural differences which just are real.
i fail to see anything of any real substance in what he wrote in that article.
>They'll surely they'll accept the tabula rasa explanation of racism if I invoke Einstein!
>>80565990
for example he just dismisses any possibility of difference in intelligence/inherent abilities of people. so what is he saying? he is saying that a persons value is determined by what other people THINK of the person. and somehow what OTHERS think determines how one should and will act and if we just change how WE think then blacks will somehow become equal, with no effort on the part of blacks.
>>80559996
>which they are not
einstein said on his deathbed that lorentz and poincare figured it out before him
>>80566559
what the hell even is relativity?
>>80559090
>bring shaped by your surroundings
Obviously. Why does the meme exist that you come here and become redpilled?
Someone who denies this is the product of a bad upbringing.
>>80566559
He thieved from Olinto De Pretto via the Bessos. His 1st wife effected his succesful miracle year "findings".
>>80559090
>hits the nail on one's susceptibility to be being shaped and influenced by one's upbringing.
how does he "hit the nail on the head"?
All i gather is he is saying that WE have to change for black people to be equal to us.
so basically he is saying we have to BELIEVE(wish) that blacks are equal to us and they will just BE equal to us(white people).
so WE must change all of our own inner conclusions and awareness and just be infinitely patient by WISHING blacks into equality, putting all the effort ON US.
its baloney.
>>80566559
That's quite the source you got there
>>80559090
In 1946 there was institutional discrimination which amounted to affirmative action for whites.
We've seen what affirmative action has done to blacks. So smart guy Einstein was right - treating people according to their race rather than as individuals is wrong.
What he said in that essay is no endorsement of what later came to be.
>>80559090
>the opinion of a jew
>on black people
>this makes you rational
LMAO
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>>80567148
...muh spinning ice balls.
>>80564515
How come whites still don't acknowledge the fact that when they treat niggers like freaks, niggers are gonna hate them?>>80565990
Pretty sure at one point they needed military intervention to get niggers in schools.
Add to that most businesses didn't wanna hire coons because they were coons.
Lol. I love this racist imageboard.
>>80565103
What? I'm talking to you about the way Aristotle thought about his system not about the validity of slavery.
>>80567155
>In 1946 there was affirmative discrimination which amounted to institutional action for Jews.
Fuck off.
>>80567451
into WHITE schools. im sure there were some racist communities trying to prevent blacks from educating themselves, but for the most part no one was stopping blacks from learning. whites just didn't want them in their schools. and going to school with blacks most whites nowadays can see why.
but of course whites have to constantly give. whites must be the ones to prove black equality. instead of blacks stepping up and proving it, they demand their equality FROM white people.
in order to be equal WHITES have to prove it to blacks by giving to blacks. this is how "equality" is pandered nowadays.
>>80567873
and to continue, even in the inner cities the fact that white police patrol crime infested ghettos, protecting people and keeping order for businesses so that people can go to work and sleep in their homes safely: blacks still don't even like that. that isn't good enough.
see, their communities are crime infested because of BLACKS. because they cannot organize communities. even POWs in POW camps formed social order. but blacks demand that saints patrol their crime ridden horrifying dangerous streets.
what good will a saint do(if you can find a saint willing to patrol the hood, which you cant) but what good will a nice person do in a tough neighborhood?
what do they think they will get?
constantly whites have to GIVE while blacks only DEMAND equality.
But "equality" is not given, it is earned through INNER efforts and starts IN THE FAMILY and then radiates out into the COMMUNITY.
>>80567451
Once again you are confusing the point, blacks attitudes towards whites whether warranted or not does not disprove the fact they are less intelligent and have proven themselves unable to manage themselves. If they are destroying their own communities and themselves and generally acting stupid out of spite, that would confirm they are actually quite stupid. Cutting of their nose to spite the whites is dumb.
>>80559090
its impressive and surprising the US doesnt have a class issue. especially noticeable to a bong
>>80559090
Einstein was a lying, borderline retarded jew responsible for quite possibly the largest obstruction to progress in physics in the history of civilization. Fuck him and his entire rat-faced race.
>>80561706
Here he is chumming around with one here, and yet is later quoted as saying he never spoke to one, for he is an atheist Jew. Why all the obfuscation and confusion? Would he not remember hanging around with the "inventor" of Big Bang theory? If his memory was so bad how could he have possibly been the genius they made him out to be?
>>80569750
Damn... I have those same sandals.
>>80559090
Einstein seems like the typical Jew elevating minority ethnics to get back at the Christian Europeans
>>80559090
Then again, Einstein promoted positive Arab-Jewish relations in Israel, so you can chalk his Negro Question answer as him being idealistic, just as John Stuart Mill was idealistic about women making good use of their freedom.
