I think the main reason has to do with the concept of immigration. People think libertarians are for open borders, which doesn't seem like the case. Honestly it seems like most people here are just libertarians + race realists.
>>80548582
The libertarian candidate is literally in favor of open borders.
Libertarians are in favour of open borders when there is absolutely no welfare, in any shape or form. Which I think is a solid stance.
>>80550352
his platform is more about being anti-trump than anything.
Stormfront invaded and then stayed.
>>80548582
FUCK YOU YOU GODDAMN DEGENERATE POT SMOKING BITCOIN COLLECTING OPEN BORDERS FAGGOT GO SUCK RON PAUL'S WRINKLY COCK SOMEWHERE ELSE YOU CORPORATE KIKE LACKEY
HOLY SHIT I LOVE ROADS SO MUCH
>>80548582
Gary Johnson is pro-Hillary
>>80548582
I never called myself libertarian because they're for open borders. Fail.
>>80548582
Because younger people don't appreciate freedom and are generally dumber than 90's kids. Most of /pol/acks are now born in late 90's or early 00's.
>>80551115
>the borders are open
>there's no welfare
>the shitskins flood in
>now they're a majority
>they vote for welfare
You people are fucking imbeciles.
>>80548582
Libertarians defend or revel in degeneracy
>>80550352
>>80551115
>Libertarianism favors open borders
This isn't true and dickheads basically don't understand the fundamental principles of Libertarianism.
The Libertarian ideology is good in theory but it would NEVER work.
t. reformed libertarian
>>80551947
Shitskins won't be able to survive without benefits. So they go to some other place. There is no welfare to vote for because it would not be the state's function, meaning that even if shitskins got to the country, they'd be too busy making money.
We'll get the good guys who actually want to better themselves via their hard work.
>>80548582
Personally they became less of
>we are sick of government we are a serious party
To
>we are like totally not Donald Trump guis
It used to seem like they could make a change given enough exposure but they turned into same crap different party.
After their "convention" and the embarrassment it was I realized the libertarian party never was and never will be anything more than a joke.
Also I grew out of a libertarian mindset and more into a national capitalist beliefs but with a smaller less controlling gov
>>80548582
many posters here would not do well in a libertarian society where merit is the only metric. so they turn towards their identity and nationalism that promises a position of all of the same kind.
>>80551947
>vote
>no goverment
because the massive shilling for molyneux has created a rediscovery of his old videos we used to trash
>>80548582
Libertarian in current year is basically, living your life the politically correct way. AKA madness
>>80551981
Not quite, they maintain the idea that you can decide for yourself to be a degenerate, but other people can refuse service or treat you like dirt because of it.
The ONLY rational political ideology is nationalism but with a free market and respect for human rights.
>>80548582
libertarianism is just leftism with open markets. Its just nihilist bullshit.
>>80548582
/pol/ used to be good because at least some guys actually debate about roles of the governments, personal responsibilities and personal liberties.
/pol/ actually argued why young kids cannot consent and tried to explain that in logical and rational manners.
Now that's just gone and fucking stormfags basically shut down the debate by calling it "muh degenerate". Those fascists have never appreciated personal liberties - they only use Libertarianism to defend their rights to speak statist nonsense.
Give fascists power, then they will silence all their critics by force, just like what SJW are doing now. Socialists by nature, Stromfags and SJW are basically same shit.
Because people here want emperor Trump to fuck them in the ass
>>80548582
Put down the pot, became pragmatic, and grew up.
>>80552553
What if I tell you, libertarianism is the ideology you have just described. Basically nationalism + free market.
libertarianism is a meme
>>80548582
Because libertarianism is just a transitional phase out of liberalism.
When you grow up, you realize that no, nothing will get niggers to integrate into society, equality is bullshit, and you need strong laws and strong enforcement of those laws to keep order.
The "non-aggression policy" of libertarianism is just an invitation for people who don't follow your philosophy to fuck up everything. The only thing that can save us at this point is ethno-centric fascism.
On /pol/ or in general? I think the majority of college idiots heard Ron Paul talk about "crony capitalism", liberty, bailing out big banks, etc. and thought it was socialism. Then you say stuff like "Ron Paul doesn't want free health care" and they don't believe you.
>>80548582
Libertarians are the same as communists. They are supporting ideologues that ALWAYS have to fail in practice due to the nature of humans, so they attract only shutins with no life experience. And when you show them why the ideas are fail, they move the goal posts "hurr durr libertarians don't want open borders" (lie) or "hurr durr real communism has never been tried" (lie). Take that shit to reddit.
>>80553108
You already pay property taxes to pay for the fire department, why not a private service?
>>80548582
the problem is libertarians ARE stumping for open borders. they have been all fucking year and all of last year. the LP has gone fucking haywire.
"open borders" isn't compatible with private property rights.
>>80553670
because i'd rather not waste my money on something that will never happen.
a sprinkler system is far better than anything some fat fucks at the volunteer station can put out
cause they be open borders take a black cock up the ass for fear of being called a raseist cucks
>>80552702
this. anyone paying attention has seen it for themselves. national socialism leans left, towards big government. degeneracy is a real thing but natsoc isn't actually equipped to deal with it. only a far-right regime that stays out of social affairs leaves enough rope for degenerates to hang themselves with; if you use the state to try to fight it you'll only end up with more of it, like the war on drugs, the war on poverty, and war on terrorism.
when people think of libertarianism they often think of open borders, because we should all be free right? well, freedom =/= no borders and no laws. you NEED borders and laws to protect the freedom of your citizens. when you kill someone, you have violated the non aggression principle. so ofcourse we need laws to make sure this doesn't happen. now for closing the borders against refugees and muslims, taking in refugees is a risk. look at the increased crime rates, bombings, and billions of euros we've lost on them already. the rights of our own citizens are at risk the more refugees we take in. and i often hear ''well but that's not fair against the refugees that don't do anything wrong''. well we also have a law for drinking and driving, because drinking and driving increases the risk of accidents and deaths. so it would be the same to say ''well that isn't fair against those people that do drink and drive and dont get in accidents!''. it doesn't count. the least we can do is protect the freedom of our own citizens. and then i'm not even talking about all the taxmoney that alot of us don't even want to contribute to the refugees. that is a direct violation of freedom.
closed borders absolutely fit in libertarianism.
>>80548582
it was supported on 4chan as a fucking sarcastic joke you stupid nigger
>>80554204
>if you use the state to try to fight it you'll only end up with more of it
Remind me how many degenerates were running around in Germany in the 30s and 40s.
>>80548582
The big libertarian think tanks are funded by open borders corporatists who want cheap labor. Cato Institute is a good example, it gets lots of money from the Koch brothers, who are also funding the open borders favoring Gary Johnson. Maybe the rank and file libertarians don't want open borders, but their opinion means nothing. The shot callers who control libertarian candidates and think tanks want cheap labor, they want this flood of 20-30 million foreign nationals who do not have permission to be on our soil but who are here working and living anyway. They want to use this wave of barbarians to effect racial displacement of the founding stock of this country, and topple our government. There is no separating "libertarianism" from the aims and goals of the people controlling its official organs.
Coincidentally(?), the creators of this ideology are (surprise!) rootless cosmopolitan Jews. pic related
>>80551988
This.
>>80554255
Any taxation, including to defend borders, violates nap
It's only morally consistent if it's funded voluntarily
>>80551988
Yeah people on pol often vehemently defend their positions or opinions on something despite not knowing anything about it.
>>80551988
this is true, has been true as long as the LP has existed.
free trade = free movement of goods, capital, and LABOR = open borders
>>80552138
my man. it makes such sense on paper tho.
>>80552313
>confuses anarchy w. libertarianism
>>80552940
>>80554255
not what the LP pushes. LP is anti-national, open borders party
>>80553918
I'm believe it should /not/ to be compulsory, I think you're arguing against nothing.
>>80553670
because my piece of shit neighbor will refuse to pay them and they won't start fighting the fire until it has spread to my house
>>80554255
What complete bullshit. How does restricting the movement of autonomous individuals fit with libertarianism? So if a company wants to bring in 1mil Mexicans for cheap labor, a libertarian government would stop them from doing so?
>>80548582
Libertarianism is only compatible with western culture, once you open the floodgates to the turd world or allow anti western ideologies to flourish you end up with the decay that plagues us today.
>>80548582
Anarcho-capitalism/libertarianism bases itself on the idea that government is corrupt but monopolized corporations somehow care for its consumers. It's just flat out retarded to think governments that are not for profit are somehow worse than for profit corporations.
>>80548582
>no legitimate or sensible libertarian figureheads
>expecting the bluepilled masses to respect each other and strive for reasonable livelihoods
>falling for the open borders meme
Right wing small govt libertarianism is the ideal system. Unfortunately goyim and primitive shitskins will inevitably ruin it, thus it can only function in a homogeneous society built on values that encourage independence, self sufficiency and liberty.
Perhaps we east asians and you whites can come to an understanding and cooperate on building this dream together, for our own benefits
>>80556032
Yeah, that's why Minarchy is better than anarchy. Under minarchy your neighbor could be charged for damages if it spreads to you, luckily you had protection to mitigate the damage though.
>>80548582
I don't mind taxes and a welfare state, as long as it's for white people only.
>>80556204
White/Asian Mars colony when?
>>80556239
This is essentially national socialism in a nutshell. I support it personally, though I'm not quite as violent or paranoid of Jews as Nazis are.
>>80550352
Fpbp
No one cares about theory in an election year. The candidate is the party is the ideology when we're voting tbhfamsmh libertarianism is effectively whatever johnson says for the rest of the year.
>>80556239
White people also abuse the system, it'll collapse regardless of what race uses it. Don't be an idiot.
>>80548582
because the average user is older now
>>80556239
Taxes for white people only?
>capitalism creates wealth
>wealth means less time being productive for most people
>they become decadent
>society experiences moral decay
>this also leads to normal people following social trends
>explaining why middle women from good families support BLM and go to tumblr
>then we become degenerate and hedonistic as a means to become entertained
Harry Browne explained it perfectly when he compared British hooligans to the IRA. He said the IRA were fighting for a cause, the hooligans did it for entertainment.
Another man, Siren Kierkegaard, had a somewhat similar view. He said that idle hands don't always cause mischief, intelligent will use idle time for intelligent purposes. Niggers And white trash will use it to break into liquor stores and have 25 kids.
Libertarianism promotes wealth and growth, Nat soc promotes quality societies with the belief that wealth will follow, but you will always strive to better society and yourself. Not sit around getting fat on fast food and vidya.
>>80556568
Pure capitalism can't deal with automation in the long run. We'll have to implement basic income soon, and I'm not fond of giving money to blacks.
>>80556617
A society of white people only. I should've been clearer.
>>80548582
>why has libertarianism become unfashinable on /pol/?
Because we grew up.
Stop trying to astroturf support for Gary 'Gun trashing open borders' Johnson, Applied Memetics.
>>80556568
This. Quality of character is not an attribute of race.
>>80555497
border control gives more freedom in times like these than the taxation of border control takes.
and why do people always think that libertarians want no state at all, no taxes at all, no nothing? ofcourse we need taxes and a state, we just want to minimize them as much as possible.
>>80555688
who said anything about the libertarian party? i'm libertarian except when it comes to immigration. i wouldn't vote for gary johnson and i'm not voting for the libertarian party in my own country either. i feel like the term libertarian is starting to change, just like the term liberal changed.
>>80556091
did you read my post at all? i already explained this. refer to the DUI analogy.
>>80555688
>Claiming free Trade essentially means free movement of people
>when nobody signs up such deals, except the EU
Basically Britremain's argument. Fascists are too stupid to realise the irony of it?
>>80548582
Pure libertarianism will never work, although you could say that about any form of government. Nothing is 100% pure, obviously welfare would still exist in some form and we will never have "open" borders. The basic concepts of fiscal responsibility and keeping the government out of citizens personal lives is something that I think could resonate with the working population.
>>80548582
/pol/ still seems to be pretty libertarian economically, but immigration is a mess and we're only just starting to see how degenerate the pure nihilism of the left can really be.
>>80548582
libertarian nationalism is the true red pill philosophy
>>80556789
I feel like Trump is more libertarian - or at least classically liberal - than Johnson.
Trump wants to preserve the values that make America great, but Johnson just wants to send the country further into globalist hell.
>>80556787
>We'll have to implement basic income
Fascists are showing their true colour. They are not better than SJW when it comes to economy. Fucking illiterate socialist faggots.
>>80557109
No shit I'm a fascist, where do you think you are?
>>80557105
This is true, Trump is more libertarian than he is thought to be. Let's give him credits - his non-interventionalist foreign policy is a carbon copy of what Ron Paul has said for the last 30 years.
>>80548582
Literally the Judaism of ideologies
>>80548582
Because we need the state to help us live out out beta-incel rape fantasies. Retard.
>>80548582
Because people care more about "muh racial purity" than libertarian principals on /pol/ these days. Blame the stormfags that took the place over.
>>80557310
to add on this the most influential person to Libertarians is the uber kike ayn rand
>>80556787
>A society of white people only. I should've been clearer.
Isolationism doesn't benefit countries, but instead stagnates economies.
>>80556351
There's nothing welfare state about national socialism though.
While NS has a lot of protections and benefits for families, they're things that have to be earned through national service rather than being free shit.
>>80557208
What website do you think you are on? 4chan was founded by a degenerate kid who wanted a anime imageboard and dreamed about becoming a little girl.
If you are really a fascist, then this isn't your place, now fuck off.
>>80556859
>refer to the DUI analogy
Yeah, very clever but it doesn't explain how you can liken a business bringing in millions of shitskins to drunk driving. Not "refugees" or Muslims, just cheap labor. How are you protecting the freedom of your own citizens when you intervene in their business operations? Where does it end? Who decides what freedoms are good for society or bad for it? The majority? Like I said, your post is complete bullshit.
>>80557520
t. Schlomo Shekelstein
>>80557525
National Socialism is an ultimate nanny state, you stupid. Nazi Germany was a better welfare state than the most of modern countries, you believe or not.
>>80557105
Trump takes the viable things from Paulite libertarianism, like a non-interventionist foreign policy and a fiscal policy designed to reduce national debt, but leaves out the utterly unaccaptabe and retarded shit that killed Ron Paul's chances like open borders and defunding basic federal programs.
This is why Trump is pulling more people than both Pauls combined, he took the sensible parts and left the rest behind.
>>80548582
Libertarianism was always a big meme. It dosn't mean anything anymore they would rather sell there county out to make a buck
>>80557637
>countries should be walled gardens like North Korea in order to preserve people who look like me because I'm very scared of people who don't look like me
>>80557208
>a fascist who wants basic income because 'automation someday'
An idiot is what you are.
>>80557520
Isolationism has nothing to do with immigration. You can trade without inviting in millions of barbarians.
Because lads here have shifted from a focus on economics policy to social policy. Libertarianism is generally more associated with the economics side of the political spectrum.
>>80554255
People don't take into account of the benefits an immigrant or a person with a work visa gets in our current system compared to a libertarian society.
There are things like public schools, hospitals, etc. and businesses that cannot discriminate against them, they also use these things on the tax payers dime.
In a libertarian society there is no government corralling millions of immigrants into certain areas with given benefits and with the people not allowed to refuse them any sort of service or tell them to fuck off.
>>80556987
>Libertarian
>Fascist symbols
Minarchist Federalism is the ultimate form of government.
>>80557293
Too bad the only way for him to win the primary was act like an asshole and alienate over half of the country, essentially handing the presidency to a candidate who would not win against just about anyone else
>>80557714
>Ron Paul's chances like open borders
Ron Paul has never advocated open borders, you stupid dickhead. He basically said America should use resources to protect its border between America and Mexico rather than send its money to Israel.
>>80557783
Keep shilling, kike. Nobody here is buying it yet.
>>80557569
i don't see why it's so hard for you to understand. when you see the same kind of immigrants over and over again breaking the law, when you see that immigrants from certain countries cost taxpayers millions per year, then it's time to close the borders for those people.
it's like i'm arguing with a muslim.
>>80558097
Libertarianism also addresses social issues. For instance, Libertarianism argues that the government shouldn't interfere personal affairs, which can solve many stupid shits such as gay marriage.
>>80548582
NAP(non agression principle) is a bad idea. Libertarians, rather than being for liberty without any dogma have chosen to create a house of cards resting on that bad foundation.
The other political parties decide what their platforms will be from year to year without any rhyme or reason, which is more flexible and adaptable than deducing a platform from an axiom you selected without any rhyme or reason.
Democrats, Republicans, Greens, they are like clubs. Libertarians are closer to a religion.
Attention all Libertarians. Gary Johnson has SOLD OUT to Soros and company. Don't waste your vote, VOTE TRUMP 2016!
Watch short video with proof.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjrfw21HjkQ
>>80557908
First, immigrants are not by default barbarians. Second, Nazism will NEVER happen in America. It's a fringe ideology and we were a multicultural country from the beginning; our framework would never allow for it. Most conservatives would rather die fighting than for neo-Nazis to take a foothold in this country and erase the constitution, let alone liberals.
1945 was the year national socialism was reduced to dust for the imaginable future. It's not happening.
>>80558327
Muslim in your country and my country aren't usually qualified for any kind of visa under normal circumstances.
"Refugees" are basically undocumented and unqualified economic migrants who shouldn't be in your country and my country at the first place regardless of their religion or race.
Libertarianism argues that controlling your own borders is one of very few roles of the government.
>>80558623
Libertarian or not, realists understand that the only way to create a functional libertarian party in the US is to reform the republican party, not third part pipe dreams.
>>80556859
>libertarian except for immigration
because libertarians are for open borders
>>80556871
>Fascist
lol yeah, good one straya.
Free trade = free movement of goods, capital and labor.
Even the EU doesn't have free trade or drugs and weapons would be unregulated.
read reason.com. look at the LP site. it's official Libertarian position.
>>80558195
>anyone on /pol/ who disagrees with me is a shill
I hope you recycle your tinfoil hats.
>>80558505
>Libertarians are closer to a religion.
I reckon it is more of a political philosophy just like communism. It is a fundamental principle that I want my country to follow. Sadly, those political "clubs" lack such vision nor philosophy to lead my country.
>>80548582
>People think libertarians are for open borders, which doesn't seem like the case.
Uhhhhhhh
It absolutely is the case. Even if they say we gotta get rid of welfare first, they completely ignore the importance of a country's homogenous population, whether that be by racial or cultural standards or both.
>>80558635
>opposition to mass immigration is Nazism
You are an insane person.
>>80552164
>Shitskins won't be able to survive without benefits. So they go to some other place.
Even if there was no welfare they would still come here because our country is vastly superior to theirs in many ways besides gibs.
>>80550352
Lolberd here
I don't know why people voted for that hack.He's a big LINO, his VP included 10x.
>>80558870
>Free trade = free movement of goods, capital and labor
Australia has signed a free trade agreement with America and Australia has never traded off its borders for that trade deal.
FTA doesn't mean free movement of people, you stupid.
Now, have you realised you sound like Britremain cucks in the UK that argued that the UK should have remained a part of the EU.
>>80559278
Why would you be opposed to legal immigration? Even Donald Trump doesn't want to go that far.
Do you why I'm a libertarian? I don't give a shit, that's why. I genuinely don't care about most things.
All that matters is love, family, and friends.
>>80558821
i think you're confused, you just completely agreed with what i said.
>>80558870
>>libertarian except for immigration
>because libertarians are for open borders
yes. and i'm a libertarian except when it comes to immigration, like i literally just said.
>>80548582
pol grew up.
>>80548582
Because its Hillary/ww3/open borders or Trump. I for one don't want million of more mexicans pouring over just so they can be used as cannon fodder for ww3 vs putin.
>>80559130
I would like to clarify I am not opposed to libertarian ideals, but rather the entire ideological system. "Free trade" is a misnomer when every single one of your trading partners is protectionist.
>>80559423
Because theres already too many people here as is
>>80559583
Rather the ideology as a whole*
It seems kind of culty at times too. Shit like "AM I BEING DETAINED?" Those Unicorn Riot faggots claim to be libertarians.
>>80559484
You don't "grow up" into national socialism and racial hatred, you grow OUT of it, like a cringy teen phase.
>>80559484
if it wasn't in your favor you would say that this it's neo-/pol/. ''goddamn newfags''
Libertarianism only holds water if the sample are all people of good will and inherently get along with each other.
This is why it will never ever happen.
>>80559423
Trump only wants legal immigration of Europeans, basically. The standards to get in will be high enough to preclude the vast majority of 3rd world shitskins.
>>80559363
If whites are so superior(which I tend to agree), then they would fair better than non-whites under the pure capitalistic conditions.
Why are you afraid of a fair competition?
>>80559664
We actually have plenty of room.
>>80559809
>Trump only wants legal immigration of Europeans
He never said that.
>>80551115
It isn't.
>>80548582
>why has libertarianism become unfashinable on /pol/?
Because LOLbertarians aren't even a serious option anymore. They're a parody.
The Libertarian party has been compromised, bought, and paid for. Bill Weld was the seal on the mortgage when they sold their soul.
It’s sad, as the Libertarian party used to sorta be a place of last resort for people disgusted with both parties. Now, it’s just a compromised puppet shilling for:
>Open borders
>Gun control
>Bad trade deals, like TPP
I never thought I’d see that day, but it happened.
>>80559839
Because I don't want millions of the lowest of the low of fucking MEXICO which is already a shit country coming here and committing crimes. Even if we weren't forced to subsidize them, they cost the medical and judicial systems loads.
>>80559583
>"Free trade" is a misnomer when every single one of your trading partners is protectionist.
Exactly what Ron Paul said about NAFTA. "Free trade" isn't actually free trade and only favours the large corporations. You should listen to what Ron Paul has said before making unfounded criticism against Libertarianism.
>>80548582
Ron Paul failed miserably, and the idea that it's ok for people to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't directly infringe on someone else's rights is a childish fantasy. Degenerate and anti-west behavior has consequences for all of society.
>>80548582
Yeah, because right now thats what it is. Its what happened with republicanism before Trump. The meaning was changed. I'm libertarian as in the government should not tell me what to do, but that doesnt mean I don't want no borders, police, roads, taxes, etc.
>>80560099
Race mixing is not degenerate. :^)
>>80551988
YOUR CANDIDATE IS
don't fucking bullshit me
Gary "Gun Grabbin" Johnson can eat my ass :^)
Because libertarians and their brothers, ancaps, are fucking retarded. Oh, and of course, pic related.
>>80559950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mob-8wN6kpU
I'm sure some high level Asians will be let in but it's pretty clear to me that Trump only wants people coming here who subscribe to the standards of Western civilization.
>>80560254
>more European Immigration
>Trump only wants legal immigration of Europeans
>>80551722
Nice proxy
>>80548582
> Shills can't spell
>>80560084
I agree with Ron Paul on a lot of things though, however a lot of libertarians constantly shill for "free trade" when it is impossible, unless the whole world dropped their protectionist trade policies.
>>80560327
I qualified it with "basically"
>>80560254
>Trump only wants people coming here who subscribe to the standards of Western civilization.
What are these standards you speak of? Various western countries have different values.
>>80551722
There is nothing wrong with Bitcoin.
>>80559758
>libertarians want to get rid of laws n shiet
>>80560522
Except it's centralized by Chink mining cartels
>>80560076
>Mass Immigration
But that's not what everyone wants, isn't it? We are talking about the hypothetical situation when someone qualifies for a visa system and competes in the job market.
>coming here and committing crimes
"A fair competition", you stupid idiot. It has nothing do with what you have said.
>>80559926
and why would you want to fill up that space, for what purpose?
>>80548582
Because it's really dificult to let hitler go.
It's a lot like Jesus, you know?
>>80555688
>free trade = free movement of goods, capital, and LABOR = open borders
as well as freedom of association, AKA no niggers in your store, or your house, get a bunch of that together and its is effectively a border
anti libertarians always seem to gloss over that one
>>80560756
Hitler was a bad guy.
No, pictures of him with his children doesn't make him any better.
>>80550352
/thread
>>80548582
Because it has moved too far left.
Gary johnson is just a stupif stoner version of shillary.
>>80560232
all of those people would destroy you in a debate
does consent exist?
I hate Libertarians and their "muh freedom" shit.
Some people do not deserve freedom. Gays, Liberals, Muslims, Jews, Niggers, and Spics need to be removed.
>>80560228
for the next president of America?
Of course, Donald Trump. His non-interventionalist policy resonates with millions of Libertarian.
For Australia, I have given my preference to LDP every time and I intend to do so continuously.
>>80551115
without borders, we dont have a country,
>>80559758
This, in today's world it would lead to a bunch of war lord fighting for land.
Libertarianism has an internal fault and that is the belief that humans are good.
>>80560950
>Some people do not deserve freedom. Gays, Liberals, Muslims, Jews, Niggers, and Spics need to be removed.
Edgy underage teenagers need to be removed from /pol/. 4chan has a policy against underage posting, you know. Come back when you reach the age of 18.
>>80548582
I agree with libertarian ideas more than any other, but I hate the Libertarian Party just as much as the other two. Political parties are inherently flawed; you don't need an organization to represent the people when the people can represent the people. You're just asking for corruption.
>>80553117
We already have fascism you autist, what you think because the fascist government is aculturally liberal marxist-cuck filled fuckfest makes it so vastly worse than a culturally conservative regime that decides to issue a death sentence for any person that voices an unkind word about Der Fuhrer? Go suck start a .45
>>80560720
Anyone who wants to become an American, integrate into American society and achieve success and prosperity through hard work, determination, and initiative should be able to.
>>80560950
>Some people do not deserve freedom.
SJW argue you don't deserve freedom because you are misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigot or whatever they call you.
>>80550352
I'm all for open borders with Canada.
I have my reasons for this.
Mexico is okay. As soon as they get their government and drug gangs under control we can talk. Otherwise build the wall
>>80551988
https://www.lp.org/issues/immigration
>>80560920
They're all materialistic idiots who in the end are nothing different than socialists. The essence is the same: economy dictates everything. For socialists it's always bad, for them it's always good, two sides of the same shekel coin.
>>80561295
They're wrong, and we're right.
people need to stop looking at the libertarian party and thinking that's the only way to be libertarian. the libertarian party is left, you can also be a rightwing libertarian.
>>80548582
Libertarianism comes in two forms:
1. Edgy teenage bullshit most people outgrow.
2. Hardcore autism which drives people away.
Both forms cause the "movement" to shrink over time.
>>80550352
he'd also force jewish bakeries to make nazi cakes. he seems to be a huge SJW too
Sam Seder
>>80561492
SJW think SJW are right, you fascists are wrong.
Libertarianism wants to protect both of your freedom to express your views, which seems unappreciated by both SJW and Fascist faggots.
>>80550352
>libertarian candidate
Not sure how libertarian the Libertarian Party is. Open borders are definitely one of the things I don't support in the Libertarian Party.
>>80548582
I like libertarianism but not the economical part. Most libertarians think government debt is evil yet are for the gold standard. The gold standard is much worse for a government debt because there is a limited supply so it's harder to pay back.
>>80560837
Sorry, i just can't let he go.
I live in a country of niggas, it's not that easy to let him go, facts and logic are not enough.
black lives matter
>>80561753
Movements to restrict what opinions are allowed to be expressed are practically cancer.
>>80561376
>The American Libertarian Party =/= Libertarianism
There is a reason why Ron Paul is worshiped on /pol/ a few years ago.
>>80561753
You seem to be confused. Nationalism is not fascism. SJWs are facsists.
>>80561711
land can still be state property in a libertarian society. it shouldn't put as much limits on it though as it right now.
>>80561837
I'm a libertarian, open borders makes no sense. In a free society everything is someone elses property. how is it that you'll have immigration?
Would you sell a house to a muslin? Would you offer then a job? If so, would everyone else think it's ok?
A "country" is as strong as it's culture, there's no difference if it is in a free society or in a democracy If everyone is a cuck BBC lover
>>80561981
The phrase as a concept, yes. But I don't appreciate the movement's desire to impose racial segregation. It's disgusting and what the mainstream civil rights movement of the 60's was against.
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/25748/
http://downtrend.com/71superb/uconn-is-building-blacks-only-dorm-and-youre-racist-if-you-think-thats-segregation
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/02/21/black-lives-matter-accuses-nashville-tennessee-library-white-supremacy-after-color-only
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/11/mizzou-protesters-now-segregating-their-members-by-race/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/11/mizzou-demonstrators-segregate-white-allies-to-form-black-only-healing-space/
>>80561753
Yeahhh, everything's relative, maaan.
Fuck off, the answer isn't always in the middle.
>>80548582
They blissfully think open borders are just fine, even with countries that end up exporting their criminals and worthless population, and want none of our own going to them.
Much like socialists, they also go into their own autistic shit fits if something doesn't match their special snowflake credentials of libertarianism.
A lot of the time they also feel completely disconnected to their own country, in favor of a one-world economic thinking, without the realization that without assertion of soverignty, the country they reside will end up slipping as their culture is replaced with foreigners who just want to milk and exploit the system.
It also really doesn't help that Gary Johnson is a gun grabber, an open border patsy, pro-Hilary (criminal), and instead of letting businesses discriminate what they want, they'd force people into giving into every single little demand a customer requests (Christian bakers must bake gay cakes, no objections)
>>80558831
The republican party will keep losing elections because they will continue to ignore the intellectual gays and minorities who actually work and believe in doing your part. If the republican party stopped caring about social issues the democratic party would have literally nothing to run on except welfare.
>>80562310
Is that a libertarian-derived argument? No. It's a libertarian concession.
EVERY libertarian has their own special nuanced understanding of what libertarianism is and how the other ones are wrong. It really comes down to the things you like, for instance clean water, versus like insuring people with per-existing medical conditions.
What is libertarianism?
>>80562306
Nationalism doesn't want to shut down the debate. Fascists do. They want some special rules for each group of people. Stormfags and SJW literally no different on this issue - they are both fascists.
>>80561409
nice platitude, not an argument
I do agree with some positions of libertarianism, but you won't hold a libertarian society together for long. People will eventually drift away to degeneracy.
>>80548582
>People think libertarians are for open borders, which doesn't seem like the case.
You people are so delusional.
Let me guess, Gary Johnson didn't throw a gifted pistol into a trashcan either?
>>80561409
>> There can't be a libertarian society cause my fellings.
Melhora baiano.
>>80562663
You didn't present any arguments either, faggot.
>>80551947
Why would shitskins flood in if they actually have to work for money?
>>80562554
the initiation of coercive force gives a justification for self defense
there is no justification for the initiation of coercive force. these are the immutable terms of liberty defined
>>80548582
>People think libertarians are for open borders, which doesn't seem like the case.
They are, yeah. Most. The libertarian party and their candidates are so.
>why has libertarianism become unfashinable on /pol/?
Because anything that doesn't fit the current narrow and specific alt right paradigm is unfashionable.
>>80562837
There can be no libertarian society because libertarianism is based on the negation of many aspects of any civilized society based on the retarded concept of the NAP.
>>80562731
>degeneracy
The strong libertarian society would refuse the state-funded marxist propaganda as they will argue that it is not the government's job to promote such acts.
>>80562839
indeed I did, but you never answered the question
I will ask again: does consent exist?
>>80551947
You are such an imbecile.
>>80562359
I just want the niggers kept in line and I don't see libertarians as doing that
>>80563006
Yes but not all consent is legit.
>>80562564
I have to agree here, but you're still wrong about immigration.
>>80562988
define civilized
fyi, this whole train is heading towards the unavoidable conclusion that it is not statism that drives civilisation, but.....(white people)
>>80562769
There's no libertarianism, only anarcho capitalism.
These gradualists are just idiots trying to change play big in politics. Cucks like ron paul and now this Gary Johnson, talking shit about open borders.
Immigration is a government program, in a free society everything is private property, there's no open borders or immigration policies.
>>80563156
What immigration? Even Ron Paul doesn't want fucking open borders and neither do I.
>>80548582
Libertarians were successfully subverted by anarcho-capitalists to the point that both ideologies are basically the same thing.
As such, I don't consider myself a libertarian anymore. There's too much jewish dumbfuckery in it now. Muh roads muh 'conomy, muh NAP. Fuck off you fucking ancaps.
>>80548582
Because /pol/ only pays attention to the extremes.
Extreme libertarians are just as batshit crazy and fundementally flawed as 1488 and SJWs
>>80548582
Libertarianism is blind to race. Just look at the responses in this thread.
>Are you afraid of competing in a truly capitalist system?
>If you get rid of Welfare, we'll only get the ones that want to contribute!
By far-right standards, I'm fairly moderate on the issue of race; however, Libertarians can not and do not want to preserve the majority status of whites in their nations.
Hardworking immigrants are fine in small numbers. Libertarians ignore that last bit.
>>80563130
can a violation of a contract be a demonstration of a violation of consent?
>>80560691
You're a fucking idiot if you think it would ever be fair.
>>80563041
I believe in enlightenment values. Every American should be entitled to the same inalienable rights. We are all entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, regardless of race, sex or creed.
>>80563211
If you're going to relativize everything there's no point in this conversation at all.
>>80559033
fuck off tinfoil hat freak
>>80558195
everyone including you is
>>80557783
Yes North Korea is good. You scared of nationalism little baby?
>>80558172
>He basically said
He basically didn't give a shit and didn't specifically mention the border often or in a meaningful manner, which means in all likelihood that he would ignore the existence of our border like any other average Libertarian.
Libertarianism is retarded. It is basically choosing to play a game of cards and letting your opponent always see your hand. A libertarian system does not protect those living within it from inside or outside interference, which means it is in no way viable as a real world form of government.
>>80557805
What's your alternative solution to automation?
I'd imagine it's sticking your head in the ground and pretending it's not a real problem, lol
>>80557520
Trade damages economies. Isolationism fixes economies.
>>80558635
The person you responded to never mentioned Nazism. Go back to facebook if you're going to be a retard.
>>80548582
Because lolbertarianism is silly and doesn't hold up to basic scrutiny.
Libertarians believe in:
(Btw Gary Johnson literally denounced the L. Party as soon as they choose him so fuck his opinions)
1. Peace-not pacifism, but not Interfering with other countries unless they fuck with us
2-Tolerance- not giving a shit what other people do as long as it doesn't infringe on your property rights
3-individualism- self dependency, not relying on others
4-limited government-government doing only what it was intended to do- protect property rights
5-property rights- you own you, your labor, and your physical property, and can do as you please with it.
>>80548582
libertarians are reasonable
Libertarians are not
>>80563582
but like dude, get this
everyone can just make robots
>>80563440
>hurr race
If whites are so superior, then they would strive in the libertarian society which guarantees a fair and free competition. From a visa application to a job market, whites should dominate.
Why should you need some special rules for a certain group of people? This is basically SJW thinking.
>>80563522
>We are all entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, regardless of race, sex or creed.
Why?
Therefore, libertarianism provides answers based on principle, not emotion or issue. Any decision can be mad following the 5 principles of libertarianism.
>>80563743
In other words, you can be a degenerate faggot for all we care, as long as you generate money.
>>80563777
i dont get it
>>80562988
no, it isn't.
The NAP is only a non contradictory juridical system. Resources are scarce and the only way to solve disputes over resources is by property rights.
It just happens that your body is your property so if i attack you i'm taking control over your property and you can shot me.
It's not, look we live by this rule here, obey it pleeeeeease.
It's , respect my property rights or i'll kill you.
>>80548582
>Honestly it seems like most people here are just libertarians + race realists.
thats what i am
'national libertarian' i guess
GARY JOHNSON IS A SOCIALLY LIBERAL REPUBLICAN NOT A LIBERTARIAN
>>80563558
North Koreans have no idea what is going on in the outside world. Their economy is in shambles and their people are eating grass for dinner because there is nothing else to eat. They can't even afford to keep the lights on at night so it's common to see the entire country dark from satellite photos taken at night.
Juche is a sham.
>>80563743
>2-Tolerance- not giving a shit what other people do as long as it doesn't infringe on your property rights
>3-individualism- self dependency, not relying on others
These couple of points will probably destroy your society on the long run.
>>80564054
A.K.A socialist.
because >>80555555
>>80564046
This. This all over.
>>80558635
You're retarded, anon.
You're right, Nazism will never come to America. Nazism was only ever for the German people. Falangism was only ever for the Spanish.
The Far-Right didn't come to Germany with rhetoric about restoring Rome; it won't come to America waving swastika banners.
>It's a fringe ideology
Most of the driving ideologies in modern politics today, were at one point, fringe. Nazism itself was fringe in Germany for a while.
Most of the Far-Right platform, for the record, can be constructed entirely with allusions to policies from America's past.
Additionally, a "Führer" isn't necessary. While I disagreed with George Lincoln Rockwell's full 1488 approach, even he recognized that "Nazism/"Far Right politics could be applied within the American framework.
Imagine a President like Teddy Roosevelt, willing to wield executive power to its full extent based on more modern precedent.
>We were a multicultural country from the beginning
Literally false. Just look at immigration laws pre-1965. You have a very "idyllic," ill-informed view of America.
>Most Conservatives would rather die fighting
"Most Conservatives" couldn't even stop a Right-Wing, European-style populist from clinching their nomination.
>1945 was the year NatSoc was reduced to dust for the imaginable future. It's not happening.
History never rhymes, nor repeats?
>>80548582
Are libertarians okay with pedophilia? If not, why?
Anarcho-Capitalism is the only way in which total open boarders does not attract 3rd world immigration. Libertarian societies have no welfare state other than private charities, so there is no reason for 3rd worlders to come here if they're not willing to earn every penny (pro tip, they are not)
>>80563571
>He basically didn't give a shit
Except he did. He basically said America should abolish birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants and enforce the laws on the books with more border guards.
>>80564078
t. colombia
the greatest wisest and wealthiest nation on earth
>>80564007
As I said in the previous post in answer to another anon, the problem is that you people simply don't give a fuck about anything. Because of your radical individualism, you simply don't care about what happens unless it's related to you. There is no reason at all for a libertarian to be against any of the degeneration the leftists are pushing as long as it doesn't comes from the state.
>>80564061
How? As long as no property rights are violated (that includes rights to life, rights to your body, etc, so no rape/murder) we would see a rise of hard working individuals provided with truly equal opportunity. It's not, and was never intended to be governments business whether people succeed or fail.
>>80564007
>It just happens that your body is your property so if i attack you i'm taking control over your property and you can shot me.
and what exactly constitutes an attack in this non-contradictory judicial system?
Does blowing carcinogenic smoke in your face constitute an attack?
Would you be justified in shooting a man for refusing to put out his cigar?
>>80564046
>race """"""""""realism""""""""""
>>80564078
can you expand on that?
>>80564314
No, because it violates that child's property rights, which include a right to their body.
>>80559413
FTAs IRL have nothing to do with the Libertarian theories of Free Trade. check out reason.com or the LP official site they are for open borders.
or keep blathering on about britcucks like a drunk abo after a sniff of petrol.
>>80560822
understood, also without a welfare state rapefugee parasite types would have no incentive to come.
Unfortunately, that's not what Johnson isare advocating. Johnson said he would force Jewish bakers to bake Nazi cakes (no freedom of association). The dude needs to stick to selling pot.
>>80551722
Underrated bait
>>80564549
So presumably libertarians also oppose parents disciplining their children as well?
>>80563840
>If whites are so superior, then they would strive in the libertarian society which guarantees a fair and free competition. From a visa application to a job market, whites should dominate.
Whites will and do dominate. You don't get it. I don't really care about that. I want a homeland for my people and culture.
Multiculturalism and diversity do not work. Even ignoring tangible racial differences, when you have "diversity" you're inviting conflict and strife.
Some can come in small numbers, I don't care. I just don't want the face of my nation tarnished, nor would I wish it on anyone else.
>Why should you need some special rules for a certain group of people? This is basically SJW thinking.
Will you go be a horseshoe faggot somewhere else? I'm literally just advocating for a return to pre-1965 immigration policy, self determination and a largely homogenous society.
>>80564434
This is the only reason libertarians want government- the judicial aspect, which decides degree of violation
>>80564440
Tolerance should be self-evident.
Individualism because the libertarian kind of individualism is the type that dissolves all the historic connections that form nations and break everything down to individuals. So things like religion, race, language, history and etc simply don't matter, and those are the basis for societies. When you preach that none of them matter at all and that only individual opinions are legit, you start to see the beginning of an indifferent and apathetic society, which will eventually start degenerating itself into oblivion.
>>80564392
North Koreans don't have property rights. The state owns everything.
https://www.globalpolicy.org/nations-a-states/failed-states/52061-10-reasons-countries-fall-apart.html
>>80564438
stay salty nigger
must be hard to be at the bottom of the food chain. At least your dick have a + 1/3 of an inch right ?
>>80548582
I'm an economic libertarian. By that I mean we only provide government services through taxes that can quantifiably increase the well being of all tax payers. The first and foremost is the universal protection of property rights. It's less economical for individuals to plan out their own security systems and it is more efficient in this regard to have a central security system that protects everyone at a lower cost than each individual fending for themselves. A military also agrees with this. Beyond that, it's hard to economically justify wealth redistribution. Local governments can agree to a fire department if they so choose, but fire insurance may be the best route for those who don't agree with the communal fire department. And fire insurance is pretty inexpensive.
>>80564314
the act of pedophilia doesn't fit in a free society, because children are too young to be able to give consent with responsibility.
>>80563522
Everyone ought to be born equal, but that just doesn't happen
certain classes as simply born to be subservient, its not their fault but its what they are
>>80564314
Children cannot consent because they have not fully developed mental capacity to make a coherent decision with a clear conscience. Libertarian generally regard kids as their parent's properties rather than independent individuals.
However, Libertarian argues that people can watch loli shits by choice.
>>80564741
That implies that a libertarian would feel obligated to comply with the judgement of a judge whose legal code he disagrees with.
>>80564688
If we look at it from that aspect, I suppose you could consider the child the property of the parents, which both warrants discipline and leaves harm from outside sources to the child as a crime.
>>80564391
I am against all the degeneration coming from the leftists.
Let me make my point in economics, do you know David Ricardo? He says that if i produce 5kg rice 5kg beans, and i decide to produce only beans, i'll get 15kg instead of 10kg. That's how wealth is generated.
No man is a island, how can you live in a world where everyone elses suffer? My point is that we are not forced to do charity, and we need to reinforce culture.
Cultural marxism is real and is the greatest threat western civilization has ever faced.
We are not gonna win this by politics, the only way to win this battle is by taking back culture and education.
>>80564742
independency =/= isolation
