Argument to counter all stupidi atheists
> Do we agree that by our defintion god, is the greatest thing imaginable?
>But you, As an atheist, say that the greatest thing we could ever imagine is limited to our own imagination?
>Because we just agreed that things that exist have a higher quality than things that exist in our own imagination and therefore god must exist because he is the greatest thing we could imagine and if he is the greatest thing than he must exist for things that exist have a higher quality than things that don't exist
Checkmate atheists
Lmao god don't real. The bible isn't real either
things imagined don't exist
things that EXIST exist
things that don't exist have no quality (outside an imagination) therefore something that exists has any quality exceeds the zero quality in the real world that the imagined element has.
>>80513905
>let me construct an argument out of assumptions, like one would construct a car out of poop
>why is my poop-car not running something must be wrong with it checkmate atheists
> Do we agree that by our defintion god, is the greatest thing imaginable?
No, if he exists, it is unlikely we can imagine him, because we will always be biased in casting his image as a human.
The Bible is a form of magical realism to teach morals and lessons.
>>80514036
Just to be clear OP, I agree with you and was lying, by giving an atheist impression
Atheists love to point out the burden of proof lies on the religious to try to prove their gods exist, yet they somehow ignore the burden of evidence on them whenever they chastise the religious for a breach of moral conduct.
Something as follows:
>religion does not make people automatically moral because the religious kill in the name of their religion
>IE: killing in the name of religion is wrong
>Why is it wrong?
>Because you're denying people their right to life
Atheists can't prove people innately have any entitlement to life either. C H E C K M A T E A T H E I S T S
>>80521891
Nice deflective arguing you're having with yourself mate. I assume you consider yourself very smart right now.
DMT>atheists
>>80513905
Christianity is a kike religion.
>>80513905
"Stop straw-manning the sunday school god and the god of fundamentalism"
"Literalist interpretation of sacred texts is largely a 20th century phenomenon"
Ask them why there is something and not nothing, hear their response: "Because."
Throw on shades and walk away
>>80523680
I wouldn't say I consider myself "very smart," because truth be told I don't know how smart I am. That's not something I'm in a position to measure without any inherent bias. However, I do consider myself more intelligent than you are.
fuck off
thats how
>that moment when you realize as a 7 years old child that people around you actually believe that shit and don't treat it as stories about heracles n'shit
I'm still amazed.
>>80513905
Existence is not a predicate. Nice try, Anselm
>>80527239
Your God has created a universe where lions tear gazelles apart, where parasitic wasps paralyse their prey and injection their lava on them for them to eat from the inside out, where cats maul animals just to Roy with them.
If your God is all powerful then you are more ethical than your god, if he isn't all powerful then why call him a god?
>there is a god
Well, it's equally likely that your interpretation of what a god is does in fact exist and equally likely that it doesn't, same goes for any other interpretation/version.
My question is, how the FUCK would you know? From your precious book? Really?
Please, you are better than that.
>>80521891
you can easily follow a morality based on logic
i have rights that extend so far that they don't affect the rights of others
therefore i can't kill
not that fucking hard idiot
>Argument to counter "sex is different from gender" faggots
Sexuality and biology links into gender because biology has subtle control over the mind, the two "genders" exist as a breeding mechanism and selecting a mate much like some animals do, and it also helps up build up societies and social orders. This can be seen with how poorly developed places (almost stone-age tier places in africa and 4th worlders that haven't contacted the rest of the world) have the women 100% in the "normal" gender behavior.
Anything different is literally fiction, they are pretending that they are asexual, queer or whatever, either because they felt down temporarily or are simply delusional.
Gay people are an anomaly though, but they don't serve any biological purpose and simply drag down the rest of society with them as dead weight, decreasing potential population growth.
>>80521891
Morality is subjective, there's no reason to prove anything, according to your opinion, they are wrong, for example, you simply have to convince them.
For me, i simply don't care about non-europeans above europeans, they are inconsequential and should fuck off, i don't care what it takes, it doesn't matter to us.
Force feed them these books.
The Creation Answers Book: David Catchpoole
Taking Back Astronomy: The Heavens Declare Creation: Dr. Jason Lisle
Ultimate Proof of Creation: Dr. Jason Lisle
Learn the Bible in 24 Hours: Chuck Missler
Has God Spoken: A.O. Schnabel
The Genesis Flood 50th Anniversary Edition: by John C. Whitcomb (Author), Henry M. Morris (Author)
Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome: Dr. J. C. Sanford
>>80513905
>He takes one philosophy year
>He makes a thread about the ontological argument
>Literally the WORST argument for the existence of god in the entire course
Why?
>>80513905
>>80529204
How is that logical? Your only justification for those set of morals are because it's what YOU feel is right. There is no logic behind subjective morality, just "muh feelings".
>>80513905
>atheists
How about get with the times and stop being a religious dumbfuck? As if a word was needed to describe people who doesn't believe in fairy tales. The concept of atheism barely exists in the rest of the western world because not being brainwashed is the norm.
Spirituality is fine, arguing against science like a fucking baboon is not.
>>80513905
What do you perceive as truth? Empirically, the only things you can take as fact are what you experience, but even your experiences can be interpreted in many ways.
Faith, like anything, is never blind. You have the argument placed in front of you and you choose to believe it or not. Either that The Bible is the word of God, or not. No one can tell you what to believe and you can't force anyone to validate The Bible for themselves.
>>80513905
>things imagined don't exist
You can imagine (picture in your head) things that exist dipshit
>>80513905
This, like the SJW vision of genders. Is imagination gone wild.
>>80532819
Meant for m'lady here >>80514956
Lots of stuff here to study though if books are too hard.
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
>worshipping a dead kike on a stick in the YEAR 2015
>>80533424
>its year 2015
>why are you having sex with your dog guys
>>80533424
Can you be more of a fedora?
My only dilema with god(and the universe) is the question "who created god then?" . How can you create something out of nothing :/
>>80513905
>Because we just agreed that things that exist have a higher quality than things that exist in our own imagination and therefore god must exist because he is the greatest thing we could imagine and if he is the greatest thing than he must exist for things that exist have a higher quality than things that don't exist?
Pottery
>mfw people uniroinically believe religions despite the current level of human knowledge in the current year
>>80533786
The supreme ultimate being cannot be created, by definition
>>80514956
>things that don't exist have no quality (outside an imagination) therefore something that exists has any quality exceeds the zero quality in the real world that the imagined element has.
>>80513905
But no atheist says any of that
>>80533834
There is no knowledge that invalidates an argument for the existence of God.
>>80533834
>people don't even know that deleterious mutations far outweigh any positive mutations that might occur.
>my you are a fucking child who believes in magical shit because it's MUH RELIJUN and berate anyone who doesn't put up with your mental illness as wearing a hat
>>80513905
And how do you explain kek and the meme magic?
OP BTFO
>>80513905
An atheist believing in FTL is just as bad as a creationist believing that evolution is wrong.
Both stances hinge on science denial to achieve their ends.
>>80534028
You literally believe there's a magical man who made the universe hahaha
>>80534091
>people don't even know that believing in magical things is fucking retarded
>>80534386
>wanks to children's cartoons
>not the definition of mentally ill
ok
>>80534581
>let me tell you what you believe
>>80513905
> Bad logic
> Fail bait
>>80534581
>he has never read a book on genetics in his life
How soon can I get to your house?
>>80534581
>You literally believe there's a magical man who made the universe hahaha
How far do you think technology is going to go and what physical concrete evidence do you base it on?
Like, what physical evidence supports the notion that we will ever live on another planet? Do you believe it regardless of anything concrete? Will you argue that your faith in technology is all the evidence you need? or will you refuge in anecdote and cite "trends" like a person saying the end of days are nigh?
Humans cannot be trusted around ideas they want to be true.
>>80513905
Mention the problem of induction.
>>80534830
Which books explains that genetics were made by the magical man?
>>80513905
>> Do we agree that by our defintion god, is the greatest thing imaginable?
no, cause in some religions there are multiple Gods, so no, not the greatest thing imaginable
>But you, As an atheist, say that the greatest thing we could ever imagine is limited to our own imagination?
indeed
>Because we just agreed that things that exist have a higher quality than things that exist in our own imagination and therefore god must exist because he is the greatest thing we could imagine
i didnt agree to this, so your whole argument falls apart right there
checkmate christian
>>80535024
I recommend Genetic Entropy.
>>80534971
Technology is probably going to collapse this century when the muds outbreed the whites and resources become too finite and there will never be a technological high point like this again because there isn't an abundant resource like oil to use in the same way next time.
>>80523782
>DMT>atheists
This tbqh senpai
Once youve seen it you can never un-see it
>>80535251
Okay, you pass.
Glad someone fucking understands.
>>80513905
>things that exist have a higher quality than things that don't exist
What did you mean by this?
>>80535590
circular logic
>>80535738
>poor guy, he thinks he understands logic
>>80535176
Does this explain why a magical man is the most likely explanation for a phenomenon we can't understand?
>>80535945
Its really just a book on current day genetics and would be an interesting read for anyone interested in that.
>>80521891
There is no such thing as an innate right. Rights and civilization per se are constructs we make for the simple logic of convenience, nor do they stay the same throughout the span of time. You're pretty stupid.
>>80521891
humans and lots of animals run on what is called altruism
The idea that you are nice to your neighbours cause you not only are less likely to feel the wrath of them if you do but they are more likely to HELP you in gathering resources
morals are a sticky issue; but what athiests dont like is how each religion states that THEY were the first one to come up with morals when they have basically existed since mankinds coming onto earth
>>80535928
Masha allah brother, only Islam has logic
youtube.com/watch?v=V_7VUwSc_JY
>>80536737
>Logicians didn't come up with the definition of valid truth
>People were saying shit that they thought was true since the beginning of humanity
>>80536753
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwqPdWZvjAY
>>80537031
here ya go achmed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism
>>80537639
Why should people be altruistic?
>>80537787
reread my previous post
>>80536737
>>80513905
Is this satire?
>>80537908
>The idea that you are nice to your neighbours cause you not only are less likely to feel the wrath of them if you do but they are more likely to HELP you in gathering resources
Why should we cooperate in the gathering of resources?
And why shouldn't I get most of the resources we'd gather?
>>80538039
Because you're not a Jew.
>>80539886
Are the jews the only ones who don't believe in equality?
Just because there are things more powerful than us doesnt mean they control the universe
Presume the Christian theory is true verbatim. Do we not have the right to disobey God? Perhaps render him obsolete?
>>80513905
If God isn't real, how did he write the Bible and sell it to billions of people?
Checkmate.
>>80540225
Define "equality".
>>80538039
>Why should we cooperate in the gathering of resources?
to get more retard
>And why shouldn't I get most of the resources we'd gather?
because there might be faster, stronger, bigger members of the group that disagree
>>80540538
See >>80538039
Equality there is "equal distribution and sharing of the produces of our work"
>>80540650
What if the biggest members of our group think that I should have almost all that results from the labour of your work?
What then of your morality?
>>80540775
That's the hunter-gatherer social model which most of humanity hasn't followed for thousands of years.
>>80513905
oh haha those darn people who aren't christfags, and their fedoras. checkmate
>>80541060
Exactly. What we have today and for the past couple thousand years is an abomination to the evolutionary morals we've had embedded into our genes
Atheists should be disgusted by this and should be rooting for a return to the state most natural for us
In tribal societies
>>80540920
>What if the biggest members of our group think that I should have almost all that results from the labour of your work?
congratulations, you just invented the government
>What then of your morality?
look at all the governments around the world and their "morality"
but on par with individuals we are still altruistic
>>80541358
We've spent thousands of years genetically adapting to an agricultural model.
The people who selflessly shared their breeding stock and seed crop with those too retarded to not consume their own rapidly died out and their genes became less frequent.
>>80513905
You've used an equivocation fallacy. That doesn't prove anything. Arguing about semantics may make you giddy, but it's not a profitable pastime.
>>80541618
If living in the modern world is genetically unnatural, and if being moral means being in tune with this evolutionarily embedded morality, then that means everything since that period, the modern world and everything that has developed during that time, should be according to you an amoral abomination
>>80541413
>but on par with individuals we are still altruistic
Not necessarily. Sometimes yes, sometimes no
It's more or less random nowadays, after we've given up on Christianity
>>80542360
>genetically unnatural
No such thing.
There's no real difference between a beaver's dam, a bees' nest, or a mud hut, and by extension, a skyscraper.
You can't really argue with atheists.
>>80542753
But today's world is evolutionarily unnatural, is it not?
>>80513905
>because he is the greatest thing we could imagine
Not really. If what is going on is god´s plan, his plan seems to be utter shit because it creates just suffering and death. What he produced is not the greatest thing I can imagine.....
>>80543220
No.
Humans are a part of nature.
>>80513905
just dont bother arguing with them it is a waste of time
>>80543336
Is this correct system of society natural? Does it match the way we've historically evolved?
>>80544329
I've already answered that question.
Everything humans dom have done, and can do is natural because they are part of nature.
Just ask them what created matter. Once they can't answer just laugh at them and call them retarded
