Show me an argument against open borders that doesn't involve racism.
>>80507768
Mexicans are criminals.
Implying that there is anything wrong with racism
Immigrants are not white. They can fuck off. It's really not that hard.
>>80507768
Fuck off Gary
>>80507768
bait thread but I will bite.
Drug trade
Welfare state in USA
Its a one way street (I can't open up shop in Mexico)
to name a few
>>80507768
Massive drug flow.
>>80507768
Is Johnson a cryptokike? He sure looks it
>>80507768
Somebody's doing the raping
>>80507768
beaners arw not white
>>80507768
Show me an argument why being racist is bad
>>80507768
>Nationality
>Race
>>80507768
While statistically, immigration does expand an economy, it does so only for the bourgeois, effectively limiting the potential earning power of the lower and middle classes.
>>80507768
defending your national sovereignty isnt racist
>>80507768
>that doesn't involve racism
Show me an argument for the existence of the sky that doesn't involve reality. Race is a fact, moron.
The enlightenment and classically liberal values are a solely European invention.
Polls show that muslim immigrants even in the 3rd generation mostly don't adapt them.
Therefore letting authoritarian immgrants into liberal countries and giving them the right to vote at some point will abolish the liberal value system.
Also you can't have social standarts that are higher than 3rd world incomes and open borders becuz that will encourage masses of people to come and not work at all.
Therefore the opening of borders goes hand in hand with the end of all (sometimes justified) social standarts for the native population.
Even if most immigrants might eventually start working the amount of criminals crossing the borders to a wealthy country will be bigger than the amount of naturally occuring criminals in a wealthy country ( check european criminality statistics : foreigners make up ~10-11% of the population in Germany but do 25% of all violent crimes).
To deal with that you need more surveillance which is the opposite of what liberals/libertarians usually want.
>>80507768
Excessive labor supply induces a reduction in wages and thus a drop in living conditions.
>>80507768
It isn't racist to acknowledge differences in cultures and races. If a culture or race from a group of countries is extremely violent and unstable, it's common sense to not let them in. Racism would be not wanting them in because they don't look like me.
>>80507768
I'm going to enter your house, eat your food, fuck your wife and kids and then sleep in your bed while you make me a sammich
>>80507768
A welfare state, so desired by the left, only works within a high-functioning society.
pol is a racist board fuck off nigger lover
Sage, but here is your argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvOJ7oiYf60
>>80507768
Try anything Trump has said. His entire argument against open borders has nothing to do race.
>>80508390
/pol/ is a board of peace
Europe.
>>80507768
how is bringing in low skilled workers competing with your own populace for employment , etc, a good idea? it's class warfare.
>>80507768
weak security means any violent person can come in and start causing harm to people
>>80507768
The crime statistics that non-whites bring with them.
>b-b-but socio-economics
They still commit much higher crime in every income level all the way up and down the ladder.
So if crime correlates with race then it's probably not a good idea to have open borders.
>>80507768
Homogenous soceities work the best and I want to see not only my own people but also the people of the third world thrive, which will only happen if everybody stays in the respective country.
Like that?
>>80507768
welfare state benefits
First of all, Islam is not a race, so I can not be called racist for wanting to keep them out.
Islam has many beliefs in it that are not in any way compatible with Western Civilization.
While Americans stand for religious freedom and rights for women and gay people, Muslims are told that if they don't kill non-muslims and gays, then they are not true Muslims. Because of the threat that Islam has on Westen civilization, they should be kept out of the country.
>>80507768
There is literally nothing wrong with being a racist. Being in favor of open borders is also being in favor of White Genocide.
>>80507768
In a world where millions of people hate and want to kill you, open borders is suicide.
Learn to national security, faggot. You guys make us look like retarded assholes.
>>80507985
>I can't open up shop in Mexico
nor would you want to
>>80507768
The free movement of capital has absolutely decimated labor's ability to bargain. Adding the free movement of labor to the mix ensures low labor costs in perpetuity.
>>80507768
Foreign nationals are not protected by the Constitution thus not protected by the 14th Amendment thus you cannot stop me from being racist towards them.
Inviting people from countries occupied by a group that wants to destroy the west is a Trojan horse just waiting to happen.
>>80507768
>Show me an argument against open borders that doesn't involve racism.
Europe
>>80507768
People coming in illegally work for less money therefore devaluing work
>>80509119
/this
Also fuck mexico
>>80509050
Racist. Do you think you deserve more than Abdullah?
>>80507768
open borders would only work if you remove welfare
>>80507768
>>80509456
he will though
>>80507768
>1 post by this id
Assuming the world has no borders at all.
People would just flock to the most prosperous place
Math and economics will never support mass migration
One natural disaster and things go to shit with near zero surplus
Destroying any local culture and moving on when prosperity dries up (e.g. incoming white flight from Europe)
Like locusts
A century later, only a single (destructive) culture exists, created by selective pressure mind you
Stronger borders are the bane of modern capital
You move, jew
Borders are constitutional, libertarians aren't against the constitution and founding fathers are they?
Islam is cancer and has no race.
One word - sovereignty
Illegal aliens = L.A.P.D. - most wanted list.
The list is online.
>>80507816
Most Mexicans aren't. Nonetheless, we can introduce possible exceptions for convicted criminals and people carrying contagious diseases.
>>80507985
>Drug trade
Legalize, tax and regulate. Allow local marijuana farming and devastate the income of the criminal cartels.
>Welfare state in USA
Discourage freeloader incentives by cutting welfare, adding a work requirement and instituting work placement programs.
>Its a one way street
Mutual free movement agreement.
>>80509584
Now it's two posts.
>>80510017
Citizenship is required for voting and holding public office.
>>80507768
Israel built a huge wall around its border.
Its actually ok under lolbertarianism.
If we dont have to pay welfarechecks only people who want to work come here, and we get tons of free labour.
because it makes crime rates go up while the state's most important duty is to ensure safety?
The logical natural result of open boarders is to equalize the standard of living across the planet. This may be a noble goal ethically, but since americans happen to live in a country with an extremely high standard of living, this means our standard of living would absolutely plummet.
Americans would be stupid to support open boarders, and our government would be irresponsible to implement it.
>>80507768
drug resistant super infections
also
>show me a lolbertarian who is for NO taxation.
>>80510373
>Most Mexicans aren't. Nonetheless, we can introduce possible exceptions for convicted criminals and people carrying contagious diseases.
Non-Whites (Jews included) don't belong in White countries.
>>80510373
Legalize cocaine and marihuana? Why?
>>80510737
>Legalize cocaine and marihuana? Why?
Because they want a people with a hole where their soul should be.
A drugged out populace where people only care about material things and working to get their next high is easier to control.
>>80510373
>tax and regulate drugs
Fuck off, socialist
>>80507768
The welfare state combined with open immigration leads to more economic instability than there would be with a closed socialist system. Both are bad, though and both eventually crash.
wages for the working poor. it is an economic reality that there will be working poor filling the necessary no skill and low skill jobs. if you do not control immigration. then you flood the labor pool. making things even harder on the working poor. As there too many people trying to get the same job flipping burgers or cleaning schools.
then there is the strain on government budgets. immigration is going to increase demand on government services and infrastructure. raising costs and taking from the native working poor.
open the border and no one will go to spicland, but we'll sure as shit get a fuckton of taconiggers running up here
the only way youll convince u.s citizens to go down there is to have an infrastructure on par with what they have here in the states and ensure the everyday amenities/safety theyre accustomed to is accessible in every mexican state, which wont ever happen since the u.s would have to foot the bill. plus whites go where there are already white people established, so maybe theyll just skip mehico and go to argentina since it is white :^)
>>80511099
Drugs are okay, just treat them the same like you do alcohol.
Like no one is stopping you to buy a bottle of bleach and drink it. No one should be arrested because he is in possession of marijuana.
>>80507768
do you invite guests over when you need to clean your house?
Then why do we leave our borders open when when we have so much to clean up in our own country.
Lets fix our infrastructure, do something about the homeless, do something about healthcare prices, etc, and when that is all done, then we can open our doors to others again.
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>>80509050
This is the only rational answer in this thread.
>>80511633
> Taconiggers
are you by any chance from Nevada?
Also nice digits (and >>80511099 too)
Some groups just don't get along.
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Here's my argument:
New Mexico is a fucking shithole that ranks near the top in bad metrics and near the bottom in good metrics when comparing the 50 states.
Show me an argument for a Gary Johnson presidency that doesn't involve climbing mount Everest.
>>80510737
You can find thousands of videos on YouTube of people smoking marijuana and digesting LSD. We've lost the war on drugs, but many of us refuse to believe it and we're spending billions of dollars on a war that is doing more harm to society than the drugs it was meant to stop. We're spending billions of dollars per year trying to keep drugs off the street, but it's still easy to buy Schedule I drugs online via a Tor onion site. What a shame.
The only people who are gaining from the war on drugs is the private prison industry who lobbies for harsher laws to keep people coming back like a revolving door. This system creates repeat offenders and delinquents who are less willing to cooperate with society, and since they're felons, much less likely to find employment, giving them over to the crime world in hopes of finding a living.
>>80507768
>Inviting the worst that third world countries can provide who can't speak your language and even illiterate in their own into your country without knowing any criminal history on them is a good idea.
Just think of how much they will contribute to out culture, society, and economy anons! Said no sane person ever.
>>80508934
Worse they make us look like easy pickings
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>>80511848
no im from jew york
>>80507768
Ok. Imagine everyone on earth is white.
Now read through the normal arguments against open borders.
>>80507768
People will move from shit countries to good countries making good countries worse.
>>80507768
Show me a shill that isn't from tavistock.
Gary the nation traitor will be executed.
>>80512240
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Not having Australia on the list.... kys
>>80507768
>immigrans come use welfare
>welfare extracted through taxes
>taxation is theft
Closed borders is self defence = DOES NOT VIOLATE NAP
GET SHIT ON NIGGER
>>80507768
drug trafficking?
actually being for open in us is racist because balcks are far more likely to fall as victims for drug dealers.
anyway i am for open borders but thinking that being against them is racist is ridiculous. protecting low paid jobs mainly affects blacks. Crime of immigrants mainly affects poor neighbrhoods, thus blacks. etc.
there are no benefits to letting a bunch of uncultured,poor peoples into america
>>80510499
No it isn't. The undesirables come in and vote to implement non libertarian policies for gibs
>>80507768
The immigrants will take jobs that could have been filled by U.S born citizens.
>>80508018
>>80507768
WELL OP
>>80510499
>If we dont have to pay welfarechecks only people who want to work come here
> Implying human smugglers/ migration agencies won't tell lies to potential immigrants to earn shekels
> Implying criminals wouldn't immigrate because of a bigger loot
... the day you realize that lolbertarians are uncapable of critical thinking
>>80508289
this
>>80507768
Gary Johnson gets elected.
Minorities swarm america.
Minorities outnumber natives.
Libertarians and republicans never elected again.
Gibmedats all day long.
>>80513069
The NAP is incompatible with property rights you dingus.
>>80513462
>Minorities swarm america.
>Minorities outnumber natives.
Caucasians are not native to North America. Native Americans already are minorities.
>>80508283
Pretty much sums it up.
>>80507768
My town for example was growing slowly before a flood of beaners came to live here and rent prices quadrupled the parks are overcrowded, grocery store lines are a 30min minimum. Shitty traffic. And a new dangerous side of town.
>>80507768
The word "racism" is a communist invention that was specifically designed to silence those that were viewed as standing in the way of communist goals.
Coined by Red Army founder Leon Trotsky, in his book History of the Russian Revolution, the term racism was invented to give the impression that the Eastern Slavs of Russia were selfish and greedy for doing nothing more than wanting to preserve their cultural identity.
Sound familiar?
>>80513618
>Caucasians are not native to North America.
Neither are American Indians.
Whites got to North America first.
>Native Americans already are minorities.
American Indians immigrated to North America after Whites did.
>>80513543
>incompatible
>dingus
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how?
>>80513773
That sounds eerily similar to "We wuz kangs and quains."
>>80507768
Natinos have zero obligation to let in immigrants. A better question to why not, is WHY?
>>80513929
>That sounds eerily similar to "We wuz kangs and quains."
The difference being, unlike niggers, Whites have evidence and facts. (repressed evidence but evidence none the less)
>>80514011
The majority of Americans are in favor of immigration. 65% of Americans are in favor of a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/184577/favor-path-citizenship-illegal-immigrants.aspx
The nation has decided, let the immigrants in!
>>80507768
Yes we should lobby for open borders for israel.
Let's meme it to to left
>>80514102
Stormfront, the Daily Stormer and other fringe white nationalist websites are not credible sources.
>>80508449
If you can't consent to governance with a gun to your head, you can't consent to a free contract with an employer if your only alternative is starvation.
>>80510373
If you got rid of welfare benefits for non-citizens and instituted voter identification, and did not give citizenship to them.. Okay, fine.
But we know the entire reason welfare exists it to get them hooked on the state's teat and get them to vote for democrats for 5 generations because democrats have lost the philosophical and moral debate among the native population.
>>80514341
They might now because most of them are immigrants or children of immigrants.
The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965
http://www.history.com/topics/us-immigration-since-1965
>The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965, also known as the Hart-Celler Act, abolished an earlier quota system based on national origin and established a new immigration policy based on reuniting immigrant families and attracting skilled labor to the United States. Over the next four decades, the policies put into effect in 1965 would greatly change the demographic makeup of the American population, as immigrants entering the United States under the new legislation came increasingly from countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America, as opposed to Europe.
Prop 187 (overturned)
https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_187,_Illegal_Aliens_Ineligible_for_Public_Benefits_%281994%29
>Makes illegal aliens ineligible for public social services, public health care services (unless emergency under federal law), and public school education at elementary, secondary, and post-secondary levels.
>Requires various state and local agencies to report persons who are suspected illegal aliens to the California Attorney General and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service. Mandates California Attorney General to transmit reports to Immigration and Naturalization Service and maintain records of such reports.
>Makes it a felony to manufacture, distribute, sell or use false citizenship or residence documents.
You'd have to pick between welfare and open borders. Both at the same time cannot be sustained.
>>80507768
Y soo rycict rabbi?
>>80514416
>Stormfront, the Daily Stormer and other fringe white nationalist websites are not credible sources.
Because you say so, right?
Or is it because the anti-White, Jewish media told you so?
>>80507768
Borders keep you safe from third wold shitholes like mexico.
>>80514915
>DE JOOS
>IT'S DE JOOS, I TELL YOU
>DE JOOOOOOOOOOOOS
>>80507768
I stand with borderless israel
>>80514915
>>80507768
There is none REKT
#Trump2016
>>80507768
the most important thing to a government, arguably the only important thing, is its logic to power
"Western democracies and republics" claim their logic to power, i.e. their right of governance, devolves from their citizens. it is transferred to the government by "the democratic process"
this idea becomes complicated and contradictory when it merges with globalism. contemporary globalist governments exert vast powers over many people that are not their citizens, and therefore the logic of that power is somewhat gray. open immigration eases that contradiction by creating a process where affected people can enter that government's citizenship and therefore become part of its power logic
conversely, opposition to immigration can be framed in terms of opposition to the globalist power logic. anti-globalists may not want to integrate global people into their governments' consciousness.
but to realize this, they need immigration control (or else there's a shadow citizenry who experience the government's power without logic), and of course immigration control itself requires power and therefore a logic to power. in this case the logic is why the government should favor citizens by the "accident of birth," while discounting potential citizens by a process such as immigration
from there it spins off into lots of other shit
>>80515066
>It's not the Jews
Yes, it is.
http://pastebin.com/TzZC78cp
...This though, coming from the faggot that welcomes non-Whites and drugs into his nation.
>>80515194
>hating Jews is just a meme on /pol/
Welfare state
/thread
>>80507768
Sovereignty
>>80507768
>Show me an argument against open borders that doesn't involve racism.
>Loaded question
Get out
There is no rational,social,economic argument to promote immigration in the benefit of the citizens.(except for brain drain,which is barely 0,7% of your immigration)
There are only excuses.
Open borders makes enforcing quarantines nearly impossible.
Enjoy your potato famines 2.0: CORNCOPALYPSE
>>80507768
Because of the laws already in place and the lack of enforcement of said laws.
>>80507768
Why shouldn't I involve it?
>>80514716
>The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965
>>80507768
Show me an argument against open doors that doesn't involve racism.
Immigrants from shitty places (Middle east/South America) vote left 9/10 times. Even if you don't care about the demographics of this country color-wise, more hispanics and muslims inevitably means the left (big government) will always win.
>>80507768
Implying racism isn't a legitimate reason for doing something. Fucking lolbertarians.
>>80518336
Delete your post.
>>80517750
You're thinking of neoliberals.
>>80518336
>>Jews infesting the media is just a neo-nazi meme!
>Jokes on you
I can't believe that there are people who literally believe that the Jews aren't in total control of virtually the entire media...
>>80507768
I hate indios mexicants. Simple as that.
>>80507768
Muslims commit terrorism.
>Muslims are not a race.
>>80519592
Muslims don't belong in White countries because Islam is a non-White religion.
Arabs don't belong in White countries because Arab is a non-White race.
>>80511099
>he wants beans to have that off the books money
go peddle opium to the slants
>>80507768
A nation is the collective property of it's citizens. The benefits citizens enjoy that others don't (like voting rights) is a function of property rights. Just as the individual can defend their personal property so too can citizens defend their collective property - the nation. Open borders is a perversion of the concept of liberty as it first has to deny citizens their liberty to control what's theirs.
>>80507768
show me an argument that racism is inherently bad
Show me an argument against racism that isn't completely retarded.
Leftcucks spent years telling us that the nonstop conflict in Africa was our fault for the way we drew borders because these people of different cultures couldn't possibly live together peacefully. Why has that changed now?
>>80521431
because its unfair to those who don't deserve the shit people give them because of their race.
Open borders works if neighbouring countries are similarly affluent. I.e Canada and the US.
It does not work when people from poorer countries can freely enter richer ones.
It results in an exodus from the shitty country to the great country, which ends up bringing down both countries.
I've got nothin'.
the easiest argument is that adding more laborers to a market where demand is not increasing enough to need them is guaranteed to inflate the value of that labor and drive down the standard of living within those borders
>>80507768
>>80510373
>>80511982
>>80513618
>>80513929
>>80514341
>>80515066
>>80518567
Hey OP, how about you practice what you preach. Remove all the doors from the hinges in your house, and hollow out the walls so the roof still stays up, but people can walk though. COme back to me when you do thhat.
>>80522400
This is the best argument so far...
Stated other way:
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Brain drain and worker exodus from poor southern countries damages in first order those, who stayed there. Poor are not the comers - the strongest and smartest of their countries, poorest are those that stayed there, and will be even more poor, when their strongest and smartest left (to EU and USA)...
They will not fit here all. Even if they tried, they would destroy that, what they seek here - both safety and welfare...
Syria will need a lot of work-force for rebuilding and they are missing.
Here in countries with better welfare and better worker's conditions, influx of cheap work-force is good only for Oligarchs, but damages heavily local workers for deflating work price.
There is a heavy guilt on western culture and namely christianity for banning condomes and anticonception for developing countries, mainly Africa. The birth rate MUST be adapted to live expectancy. Altough anticonception is unnatural, both peace and medicine are unnatural too. If we want peace and medicine, we must accept anticonception too - and chiefly in Africa ! (Saving african children while allowing having 7 children per woman is a crime against all future humanity ! )
>>80507768
>Show me an argument against open borders
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kathryn_Steinle
>>80524880
Let them come here for education. (they should have a discount for better education!)
Let them return for work and welfare.
(people deserve only such a welfare as their compatriots)
(pic related may be understood little as racistic, but it is rather very precise...)
