>tfw reading this right now
This man totally destroyed religion in my eyes
>>80493022
Jahova isn't.
Kek is.
(((hitchens)))
>>80493022
Now go and read the superior Hitchens' book.
>>80493022
Jesus Christ is the truth don't be fooled by the synagogue of Satan's tricks
>>80493022
m'ledi
>>80493380
Why did God create the tree of knowledge if he knew it would lead to original sin?
>>80493380
But he destroyed Judaism as well
>>80493022
He presented the same old arguments that have been used a million times, his only talent was in the articulation of his arguments
>>80493022
But can you deny God after witnessing my doubles?
>>80493380
(((((((((((Jesus)))))))))))))
>>80493539
Facts, not arguments
>science debunks religion
>mfw
Science has absolutely nothing to do with religion. People who say this really don't understand that religion is mostly about inner truths, not a description of reality.
I understand your confusion, as Abrahamism has obviously contaminated your mind, but saying that science debunks religion is like saying plate tectonics debunks poetry, it doesn't make any sense, because the two have nothing to do with each other
>>80493843
You confuse religion with faith. Also, who needs religion when you have philosophy?
>>80493843
>not a description of reality.
>>80493022
Religion is good. It can help to keep society stable.
>>80493022
Of course it has. You're a weak minded individual who allows himself to be swayed by whatever smooth talking individual currently has your attention.
You're a marketers wet dream.
Don't let one book change your mind on something as fundamental as your fucking religion. Are you going to watch a Michael Moore "documentary" next and fall in love with socialized medicine? Are you going to follow that up by watching a vlog about police violence and start throwing firecrackers at the men in blue?
Don't be swayed by some new thought that is presented to you in a way that pulls at your emotions. Be a man. Not a woman. Even if you're a woman, don't be a woman.
Grow the fuck up. Purposefully seek out view points that contradict your own. I read /pol/ everyday, I read msnbc everyday, and I read aljazeera every single day. I find out the truth by comparing all three sources and using my instincts to sort through the bullshit. Start doing the same. Start going onto online forums and arguing for something you are actually against. Try to formulate a coherent argument for something that you despise, it'll make you a smarter and stronger person.
It'll make you an man.
>>80494056
Insect anon is right.
>>80494045
It really isn't. Religion is mostly about sense making and meaning, not about describing reality. That's what science is for. The two have their own distinct functions, which never come in contact with each other.
I've been an atheist since 5 and still am, but I hope Europe returns to Christ.
>>80494133
This book didn't change my mind. I was already an edgy fedora before reading it
It just proved my beliefs one more time
>>80493022
If you made this thread, you never believed in religion to begin with.
https://youtu.be/vSdGr4K4qLg
>>80494198
It will be hard for someone in the US to accept that as we have zealots who push for the book of Genesis to be taught as the literal origin of the world in schools. Religious people here take the bible very literally.
>>80494198
Religion is about telling you the reality without making sense of it.
>>80494345
>you never believed in religion to begin with
I used to believe when I was 10 y.o.
>>80494133
>calls someone weak for having the capability of a change of mind after reading a logical, well written book
>unironically suggests that accepting the bible for the truth isnt?
WEW LAD. I CANT HANDLE THESE MENTAL GYMNASTICS
I'll promote Christianity just to trigger atheists.
>>80494289
> This man totally destroyed religion in my eyes
You let another man tell you how to think. That's fucking embarrassing. Furthermore, you decide to enter your own personal echo chamber by reading a book that you already know you're going to agree with 100% before you start. What's the fucking point of that?
How low is your self esteem that you have to search out authors that you agree with? How even lower is your self esteem that you then go onto the internet to talk about how you agree with another man?
How tired are your arms after reading a book while patting yourself on the back at the same time?
>>80494727
I promote atheism to trigger Muslims and Christians
In fact I'm a deist
>>80494794
>You let another man tell you how to think
Isn't it what religion is about?
>>80494794
trigger'd
>>80494794
Are you unironically suggesting that reading books is for people with "low self esteem"?
>>80494720
Learn to read Austrian Faggot. I'm not religious at all.
I'm just allergic to weak pieces of shit who like to celebrate other men changing their mind for them.
How can one man "destroy religion" in another man's eye unless the later is a weak willed bitch?
>>80493022
I'm an atheist and think Hitchens is shit. He's almost purely rhetoric and no good arguments.
>>80493380
jesus cannot produce dubs like kek can
>>80494897
Austrian faggot, your country doesn't matter. Read what I wrote.
>>80495009
>I'm just allergic to weak pieces of shit who like to celebrate other men changing their mind for them.
So in other words. Someone who reads "Origin of the species" and suddenly sees the world in the context of evolution is "weak minded"?
How highly autistic of you.
Keep up the good YLYL material.
>>80494856
Men who don't question their religious teachings are women. Weak and blind.
>>80495108
I read what you wrote.
You are highly deranged and your arguments are faulty.
>>80493473
God didn't knew(I mean He obvious knew, not doubting his omniscience but..) about that since he gave us free will.
And as far as i know he doesn't really intervene about that matter
>>80495192
Read what I wrote Austrian Fag.
>>80493341
2 brothers 1 beliefs in god 1 did not , as an atheist this really makes me think
>>80495256
Read it bitch.
>>80495214
when you start questioning your religious teachings, they start to crash. This is what happened to me.
Religion is about blindly believing what is written in holy scripts, otherwise you convert into another religion or become an atheist/deist/agnostic
>>80495313
I bet the clean shaven one is the on that believes in God and the dirty neck beard is the "atheist".
If God is omnipotent and he knows the past present and future there's no free will. Only illusion.
>>80495292
>>80495341
Nice refutation of my point. It still stands.
The phrase "standing on the shoulders of giants" is exactly that. A simple explanation for the centuries of human thought and knowledge. Easily passed on in the form of text.
A 14 year old boy who reads the origin of the species will forever understand the world in a more logical way.
You are suggesting that this is somehow "weak".
I put it to you, that you suffer from autism.
>>80493490
Judaism is easy to talk shit about
Christianity is easy to attack because he isn't debating well versed Trinitarians.
>>80495590
What are you talking about.
Noone dares to criticize Judaism.
Criticizing Christianity is easy, because its a primitive sand fairy tale.
Any 10 year old can ask 10 questions and your religion comes undone.
>>80493380
You cant know if youre following god or the devil. Heathen.
>>80494720
>logical, well written book
>Christopher Hitchens
Pick one
>>80495590
He also mocked and destroyed Islam
Just read his book before criticising
>>80493022
>Virtue signalling on an anonymous board
>>80495275
God is supposed to be all knowing and good. If he knowingly set us up to fall by placing the tree there he cannot be good.
>>80495443
The 'Russian spirit' or 'soul' is Christian values morphed through your Jewish propaganda into an item that's supposedly exclusively restricted to Russian nationalities.
Again: The entire Russian identity is a Christian one, although since you are a city slicker anyways, I don't even consider you a Russian and I hope you get nuked.
>>80495701
>Any 10 year old can ask 10 questions and your religion comes undone.
>i've never interacted with Christians who know what they're talking about so there aren't any!
>>80493022
*tips fedora
>>80495738
How about both faggot
-tips fedora-
>>80494794
>you let another man tell you how to think? Disgusting.
>there are religious people in this thread.
You silly goose
>>80495823
>If he knowingly set us up to fall by placing the tree there he cannot be good.
Do you believe people have free will?
>>80495936
Hitchens is a basic bitch tier atheist who has no idea what he's talking about and has never interacted in any meaningful way with Christian academics and philosophers. He puts his stupid shit forward in a clever way, that's it.
>>80495275
>god didnt knew!
>but he did ackhgchually!
that damage control
The international jewry will always try to Divide us and enslave us. They want to mix us, and they want no culture, no religion, nothing. They want us do work for them. Jews a satanic and needs to be stopped.
>>80493022
You don't need to read anything to destroy religion.
I personally care about the truth.
Religion is not based on truth, most religions just make a bunch of unfalsifiable claims with no evidence and say "ha, can't disprove me, so that proves I'm right."
Any sane person just ignores those claims and moves on.
>>80493843
Yeah, the non overlapping majisteria argument. Already been btfo before, as for eg by Dawkins:
"it is completely unrealistic to claim, as Gould and many others do, that religion keeps itself away from science's turf, restricting itself to morals and values. A universe with a supernatural presence would be a fundamentally and qualitatively different kind of universe from one without. The difference is, inescapably, a scientific difference. Religions make existence claims, and this means scientific claims."
Dawkins
>>80495565
What a refute. Even the "no u" right at the end. I think you won.
Seriously though, you are absolutely retarded. Go to /b/, they're more your type.
>>80495889
>Christian values
>not Jewish propaganda
Good goyim
>>80495738
One hundred percent both. Are you religious?
>>80495744
Did he have interesting insight on other religions than the Abrahamic ones, or was he focusing on just those?
>>80496135
Swearing is against the Bible faggot. Apologize Christcuck
>>80495912
I would actually agree with this. Nicely put.
>>80493022
Oh no He said to kill all the offspring of the Nephilim He's so mean. I know. Maybe if i stay being a pagan like this author I can go produce even more rapes of all kinds of shit
>>80496135
Yeah. Cos we need to interview the brothers grimm to know fairies don't exist.
>>80496356
Christ was a bad goy that's why (((they))) crucified him. Only kikes hate Christianity.
>>80495565
Read what I wrote Austrian Faggot.
> Your argument is built on a false premise. I never said learning from others was weak
> Only women allow others to do their thinking for them. Men take input from others, but make their own decisions
> Understanding comes from taking in input from multiple sources with different viewpoints and using your own logic to formulate your own opinions
> Research is critical to formulating your own opinions
> Everyone should read books they know they will disagree with.
> Authors should be sought out simply because they already agree with your previously held opinion, real men search for truth by comparing what they think is true with what others do
> Fresh viewpoints are necessary for constant reevaluation
> Anyone who isn't constantly reevaluating their opinions based on new facts is a mental woman
> Good luck finding new facts reading the same books over and over again
> Good luck growing intellectually without challenging yourself with new information
> Oh, are you starting to understand what I'm saying? You dumb Austrian Faggot?
> Thank you for staying until the end of this greentext and rereading the first letter of every line.
>>80493022
>>80493100
>>80493022
(tips th fuck out of m'fedora)
why do you kids give retards money to say "fairy tales are fairy tales"? how pathetic can you be?
>>80496400
Do you actually take Hitchens seriously?
Religion is just the different ways of explaining the universe. God is the metaphor for energy, for energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed.
Is there an actual omnipotent God? I'm sure of it I just have no idea what it is. I have a hard time believing such a being would reveal itself to us mortals, who knows.
>>80496356
You're insane.
The Jews killed your czar
The Jews killed your priests
The Jews killed your nuns
And the Jews already killed you.
The reason Russians and Serbs are targeted for genocided is precisely because of the orthodox Christian values.
Also, you really are a city slicker, all orthodox monks hate Jews, and call them out at every given moment. The fact that you do nothing about them proves that you have to be nuked for the sake of the remaining good Russians.
>>80496238
Religion is neither based on truth or non truth. Its based on ideas, philisophy.
Religion is not the most important thing, but we need it. Alot of good morals comes from the bible. Religion can unite people.
>>80496515
A priori deciding people who don't think like you are wrong and there's no merit to their position. How intellectually honest.
>>80496596
I didn't pay any money, I just downloaded this book from torrents and uploaded it on
my e-book xdd
>>80496423
He wrecks religion on the whole, but there are 3 chapters exclusively devoted to Islam, Judaism (Old Testament) and Christianity (New Testament)
>>80493380
>Dont question anything or else bad things
Sounds like liberal logic
>>80496615
Then that may be a God, but not the Abrahamic religions God
Personally I'm waiting for the singularity and my thousand emulated waifus
>>80494133
Socialized medicine works though
>>80496739
Christianity is the only thing historically that can successfully go up against Islam, we need it to be strong again.
>>80496601
A question with a question? So you are religious?
>>80496979
>>80494345
>this is coming from someone who has never experienced conversion or deconversion
I am so enlightened now friend wow thanks
>>80496796
No, refuting the point that you can't make your mind up without talking to those who have already done so.
>>80496974
Define "works." If you think the VA "works," you must be easily pleased.
>>80496979
Exactly
>>80496739
I wish more religious people were like you, we wouldnt have so many fucking problems here.
>>80496979
You dweebs have lost to Islam before. We can't risk you fucking up again
>>80494133
>Changing your mind = Weak
>But please look at all the viewpoints
>except religion
Kill yourself
>>80496356
Christianity is their biggest enemy
Everything the jews do is anti christian in every way
>>80493022
Epicurus did it first.
Hmm. I'm an atheist and have been one for over half of my life, but I also have a rigid set of core moral values that I either developed myself or borrowed from other people/belief systems. My views have changed over time- I made a lot of mistakes in life and have grown quite a lot. I still do not see the need for religion in my own life, but I do not denounce those who do. It seems to me that believing in such a mainstream faith has developmental advantages- it helps you make positive choices early.
>>80494260
U MAD BRO? lol
>>80497277
So Jews hate refugees?
>>80493022
Once Hitchens actually made the mistake to actually debate a phD in philosophy and he got raped. It was like watching a 5 year old get beat up by a MMA champion.
Top keks.
>>80495464
Yup. Christopher on the left and Peter on the right.
>>80497037
I am, yes. What does this have to do with the fact that Hitchens's book is cleverly worded garbage?
>>80496896
chistians = conservatives
christianity = liberal logic
conservatives = liberals
DANK PARADOX M9
>>80497333
Literature would do the same thing. If you take the bible as such and cherry pick then sure.
>>80497489
>He actually thinks Bill "swallow my pill" Donahue won
>>80496739
>Religion is neither based on truth or non truth.
There is only truth or non-truth,that's how truth is defined.
>Its based on ideas, philisophy.
True, most religions follow a holy book with ideas and philosophies from long ago.
>Religion is not the most important thing, but we need it. Alot of good morals comes from the bible. Religion can unite people.
Why do we need it? Morals don't come from the bible, they come from each individual themselves. The way this manifests in a religious person is "interpreting" the holy scripture in a certain way, that fits their own morality well enough.
I think that morals shouldn't be enforced (be that through laws or the threat of holy punishment), since they are relative and can coexit most of the time.
Any idea can unite people, there is no need for adding lies and punishment. There are many ideast based on truth, thatcan exist on their own. There is no need to create a whole book of lies and threats to promote "good" ideas and unite people.
Semitic religion believers posting fedora meme for damage control. Top fucking kek.
>>80495823
>>80496193
What i was saying is that he is all-knowing but he cannot intervene in our free will.
What's wrong with that?
If you're doing good you will return there eventually
>>80497716
>>He thinks Bill Donahue has a phD in philosophy
>>80495061
What was shit about arguments? Post some actual content.
>>80497531
Of course you are. You think its garbage because you dont believe in it the way you do the bible. I know how you dummies love to pretend facts dont exist when they're clearly presented.
>>80497489
>Mother Teresa
lol
>>80497489
mother teresea isn't Christianity fucktard
what about the part where they kill every first born child just cuz
cherry picking faggot
>>80497386
>The same old meme
That only shows you are bluepilled
What kind of shill are you? You don't even know that the catholic curch has been infiltrated for centuries now, get out of this thread, you don't really get anything
>Not realizing that Christianity is necessary for a civilized society and any attempts at destroying Christianity are from marxists.
It's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Motherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?
>>80493022
>blablabla .... How can bad things happen, if God is omnipotent? He is ether omnipotent, but doesn't care or he can't do shit! .... blablabla
How deflective is this standpoint. Take a look in the mirror and think about your wrong doings and failures and you will realize you need a savior. Without god, there is no point.
>>80498025
No, it shows that I didn't fall for the self-hating meme christcucks fell for
>>80497935
No, I think Hitchens's book is garbage because it is. His entire argument is "religious people do bad things sometimes therefore God doesn't exist."
>I know how you dummies love to pretend facts dont exist when they're clearly presented.
Coming from someone who thinks bullshit rhetoric counts as a serious argument, that's rather precious. The least you people could do is look up actual atheist scholars who bother to present good counterarguments against Theism.
>>80495738
Refute him then, baitmaster
>>80497771
Just look at the world today, we take our civilization for granted and everything is basically fucked up.
And christianity DID give us some morals and we werent degenerate fucks back then.
Not saying christianity is perfect, but theres literally nothing that is perfect.
And we need a mix of science and religion.
If you go full atheist fedora and say "THE ONLY THING WE NEED ARE FACTS" is retarded, your forefathers would think you were a downie
>>80498025
Everyone knows after vatican II the Catholic Church has had it's bad apples , but not everyone though, like some retards here think
>>80497209
If we lost to Islam then Europe wouldn't be standing, actually.
>>80497068
is this what they call irony?
i love it
it's so sweet
>>80498331
Hitchens's argument is "religious people do bad things therefore God doesn't exist."
This doesn't follow. His argument is invalid. QED.
https://winteryknight.com/2010/09/16/how-good-are-the-atheistic-arguments-of-christopher-hitchens/
>>80495912
>being this childish
I went to a state-run monastery school, where our teachers were literally monks.
We had religion class and learned 6 years of latin.
Ive met more "real christians" than you ever will.
Nice assumptions though.
>Cave ab homine unius libri
>>80496008
How do you reconcile the fact that Adam and Eve had no understanding of good and evil? No intellectual capacity for moral concepts.
Despite the fact that they had zero understanding of death, punishment, etc; God punished them and their entire species for a single act. God gave them a life sentence that spread to every child they had and lasts into eternity via a continued punishment of Hell.
All because two amoral humans ate a fruit from a tree God put there on purpose. That's like leaving the lid on the trashcan open and expecting your dog to not get into the trash.
>>80497243
His point is that you change your mind like a girl changes clothes
And you PMS like a bitch, I would know.
You overthink, always speak cryptically, etc
>>80493022
read "The Irrational Athiest" by Vox Day. Hitchens can barely string together an argument. Vox destroys him.
voxday.net/mart/TIA_free.pdf
>>80498288
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vatican_Council
The "Catholic church" today is actually not the catholic church at all... but a judeo/masonic anti-Church infiltration who blocked the true Pope Gregory XVII (Joseph cardinal Siri) from executing his lawful office as Pope, on 26 october 1958. Two days later on 28 october an elected antipope intruder of masonic signature entered the balcony and presented himself as "Pope" John XXIII... From that moment on the Church collapsed, the modernist and illegal Vatican II council was opened and it is this false, evil, Masonic Church agenda. The real pope of the catholic church is H.H. Gregory XVIII today, he is the living succesor to Pope Gregory XVII who died on 2th may 1989 of poisoning. The Vatican was taken over and systematically dominated by the hardcore left communist Secretariat to Promote Christian Unity... which turned the focus to uniting with world religions for the benefit of the New World Order. in 1967, Cardinal Villot revealed to the Jewish Parisian Lodge (Masonic) that he had successfully changed the role of the papacy from rulings on faith and morality, to following the regular policies of the Masons who work with the communists. So it is a smokescreen and a cover that it is the "Vatican" pushing world government, when it has been successfully infiltrated and compromised...
The Jesuit Order in its founding was very much Jewish. All five of its founding members were Marrano Jews
(i.e. Jews masquerading as Christians).
Ignatius Loyola - Founder of the Jesuit Order (Jewish)
Alfonso Salmeron - Jewish
Diego Lainez - Jewish
Nicolas Bodadilla - Jewish
Simao Rodriguez – Jewish
Don't know if you are a JIDF shill or something but I don't really care if I loose my job anymore
Christopher Hitchens is a hack writer, neocon, Marxist, kike, fedora tipping faggot. God punished him with cancer. Get fukt lmao. Only le supreme 16 year old reddit gentlemen like him
>>80498548
Why, on the atheist view, is what God did wrong? I'm not looking for why you feel it's wrong, I'm interested in a logically grounded moral ontology.
>>80498654
hahaha where did you get that Ignatius of Loyola was a Jew? He was born and raised a Christian.
>>80498540
Then I won't assume you've actually interacted with Christian positions, though based on what you've said, it's hard not to assume you're emotionally rebelling against religion due to uncomfortable exposure to it and assuming what the source of your discomfort says is automatically false.
>>80496979
Jefferson successfully bitch slapped the barbary states and ended the enslavement of sailors in the Mediterranean by Muslims. He didn't do it in the name of Christianity, nor was he a Christian.
Lurk more faggot.
>>80498449
Yes maybe no perhaps. Do I need to be buttfucked by a trap to know they're mentally ill? No. I view religious zealots the same way.
God used to make the sun rise, created the mountains. Now he puts faces of Christ on tortillas.
As science gets us there the God of the gaps shrinks.
>>80498654
so whats wrong with being Jewish
>people on /pol/ seriously subscribe to religion
>>80498568
>voxday.net/mart/TIA_free.pdf
Saved. Good find, anon.
>"look at me i’m an atheist and i can read"
reported ;)
Prove to me that God didn't create us 3000 years ago
>>80497557
Would it? What about the community that most people seem to need?
>>80493022
>the international best seller
reading a book from a faggot who looked the world as a fucking autist just like you, trying to find an answear in books is as useless as trying to fish something in a little dead pond.
kids who think they are getting redpilled by a book lmao
let me tell you, right now you are part of the 95% or pol users that are retard mongoloids who only follow hypes and are here for the racial crimes.
there is no pol anymore thx to users like OP who keep comited in being a gigantic faggot
>>80493341
>the superior Hitchens
Off you go and kill yourself, you hollowskulled fuck!
>>80497489
>Mother Theresa did something about the poor
True. She encouraged them to not use condoms or use any kind of birth control so they would have more poor children and infest the world with more poor people, probably just so that there would be more Catholics.
Originally, she ran "homes for the dying", literally just places where people went to die. I mean, that's it. They lied down on a cot next to some other old, sick fuck in a cot, and they were given meager provisions until they died. Medical attention was considered irreelevant.
In a 1981 press conference, she was asked whether she encouraged the poor to accept their lot in life. She replied:
"I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people."
People love figure heads that they can simply ascribe goodness to. As we all know, people don't think critically and would prefer not to. So Mother Teresa ends up being known as the best person in the world. Top kek.
>>80493022
He had the courage to attack Islam and why it is so stupid too. That's not "m'lady fedora" atheism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCHHfBeu0QE
>>80493022
>Literally thinks everything came from nothing and magically organized itself according to nonexistent laws of physics that magically appeared to govern everything that sprung forth from nothing.
He could never refute the First Mover Principle.
>>80493022
>tfw God is Great
>>80496312
>A universe with a supernatural presence would be a fundamentally and qualitatively different kind of universe from one without.
Would it really? Pretty bold claim since we allegedly have no experience of a universe with a supernatural entity. In order to make claims about the nature of a reality you must first observe it. Whether there is a God or not you cannot claim to know about a universe in which there is not one.
The supernatural is strictly that. Supernatural. By definition it is not scientific as all science is an attempt to describe the natural world. If you believe the natural world to be the definition of reality then have at you, but bear in mind that you do not alone experience the reality of the natural world. You experience only what you perceive through your flesh and blood window on the world.
To make claims regarding the existence of the supernatural is intellectual folly. If you are not haunted by the supernatural yourself, the only proper solution is to simply ignore it.
>>80499032
>this illiterate spic thinks he's part of the 5% of /pol/ users that add substance to the board
Paco, please.
>>80498940
>more assuptions
Do you even hear yourself?
Have you ever heard of the sticky?
>THOU SHALL NOT MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST YOUR OPPOSITE, TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT
>ITS ILLOGICAL
Literally shitting out ad honinems.
Do you even know what the discussion with your fat American colleague was?
You lot deserve to be cucked by Jamal and Mohammed.
>>80499032
>fucking autist just like you
great argument
>trying to find an answear in books is as useless as trying to fish something in a little dead pond.
pretty hard to call people retards when you think reading's not constructive
>>80498382
Everything fucked up? That's what most humans who ever lived said about their times. Not an argument.
Like I said religion doesn't give morals, it presents them. If someone likes the morals presented they might convert to that religion.
"Degenerate" is just a buzzword that means my morals don't align with yours. You can't objectively say, that your morals are superior to those of others though.
Why do we need a mix of science of religion? I'm not scared of people rising from their graves and calling me names, so give me a better reason.
I also never said that we ONLY need facts, I just said, that I want the truth. If someone says "I hate niggers" for example that's not a statement, that concerns the truth. Most philosophy and poetry doesn't make claims about the truth, they are not facts, but still valuable to humanity in my opinion.
It's ok when a religon says "be nice to each other please", but it concerns me when they say "There is a all-knowing God."
>>80498659
Wait. How do I... How do I become part of this family? How do i marry one of those girls?
>>80498659
>tfw no sons to pass on your lineage
>>80498896
Many people are raised as Christians but eventually end up being an anti christian activist, more so if they have Jewish blood
>>80499217
Dawkins shouldn't be taken any more seriously than your average anon when he speaks outside his field. His "knockdown drag-out" argument against God is a category error (the one that isn't "who designed the designer).
>>80493022
PRAISE JESUS
I'm itching for an atheist to intellectually abuse.
Any challengers?
>>80493022
You atheists are pathetic
God gave us free will
So you won't say that we have to obey everything he has to say
Then you blame him for all the evil on the world
Human caused all that evil, not god
>>80493022
I'd rather follow Jesus Christ without even believing in God than be like Christopher Hitchens.
>>80498972
Really nothing when it comes to race, I am at least 30% jewish, but most jews, let's say 40% of the jews (non-mixed jews, the marrano jews are usually used as puppets) are talmudic zionists racists that have a lot of influence and power.
>>80499508
Whats there to challenge?
You already lost.
You have a neat little paradox in your comment.
>>80498960
Thanks for proving my point, a white Christian male successfully repels the crimes of-
Wait a minute.
>Jefferson wasn't Christian
Was he a Muslim, then? Because as I recall he liked certain aspects of Christianity so much he paraphrased it and made his own Bible.
>>80499578
Where did the laws of physics come from, pleb?
>>80499266
You have yet to make any arguments yourself, there, champ, you've just asserted there's nothing to religious belief.
>You lot deserve to be cucked by Jamal and Mohammed.
How about we split it, We'll take Jamal and you take Mohammed. Wait, that already happened. Shit.
>>80496651
>The Jews killed your czar
Maybe. Well done
>The Jews killed your priests
It was ordinary Russians who got tired of the Christian lies
>>80496651
>The Jews killed your nuns
It was ordinary Russians who got tirde of Christian lies
>And the Jews already killed you
Putin is killing me
>>80496651
>The reason Russians and Serbs are targeted for genocided is precisely because of the orthodox Christian values
You sound like a schizophrenic
>>80499508
Prepare to bow down to my fedora.
How does God allow for natural disasters to happen if he is able to prevent them and is not malevolent?
>>80499420
That's not what I asked
>>80499508
>Hurr durr God not real because... wait, I just don't claim God don't real... ummmm Father Occam's razor, Borden of Proof... THE PHYSICAL WORLD IS ALL THERE IS FAGGOT
>>80499747
I already did.
You came late to the discussion m80. You jumped in after your lardass compatriot started flinging shit in desperation.
Its over.
Feel free to look up what the original discussion was though. You might learn something.
>>80499656
I'll take this to mean you're forfeiting the challenge.
>>80499790
Please, lets use science, and not conjecture.
Where'd the laws of physics come from?
>>80499217
To make that argument we get into the magic God didit theory. Sorry for the text dump, bit it's hard to paraphrase or condense:
"Goddidit is one of the masterstrokes and trump-cards that creationists or other biblical literalists have at their disposal when debating points with naturalists and rationalists.[4][5] It proposes that anything is and was possible because of the omnipotence of God — specifically the ability to bend the laws of time, logic and physics. This means that arguments that focus on the feasibility of a global flood, for instance — complicated analyses of how much water would be required, if food could be provided for Noah's animals and the construction of his ark — can be swept away and ignored.
The concept of 'God did it' can be used to create unfalsifiable theories. A creationist need never doubt creation because God could have made anything. It may also be used as a euphemism to indicate something that cannot yet be explained by natural laws, most likely due to lack of information or knowledge."
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Didit_fallacy#Goddidit
>>80499899
>he cant read
>he already has 1 paradox in his original statment
>now he admits to shit reading comprehension with a casual dodge of omission of his fuck up by ignoring it and shifting like a jew
This thread is like Saigon 1970 all over again.
>>80499062
which one is dead right now?
>>80493473
Why do you think?
That seems to be an incoherent question because it presupposes a few things which can not be removed from the human perspective and applies them to a non-human.
>>80493022
Are you serious?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNuBoh-ilwM
Christopher gets destroyed by an Atheist Jew.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_in_the_Cosmos
Read
>>80499730
always existed, i can already tell we're in for a mighty bout of mental gymnastics here
>>80499508
Why do you spend so much time arguing for the existence of God, which is easier to prove and much more likely than say, the more particular truths of scripture?
You can't just accept the theistic arguments of Aquinas or Anselm and then suddenly make a leap to attending mass every sunday and believing Jesus wrought miracles.
>>80499790
Do you think humans have free will? If you do, how do you reconcile your demand that God let nothing bad happen to people?
>>80499559
God is not the creator of everything then.
>>80499559
But god created us and the world, though. Which means he created man's capacity for evil. And there is a great deal of suffering in this world not man made. What caused that?
And why would god give us free will and then require us to follow certain, very specific guidelines in order to be saved?
>>80500005
They simply exist, but the origin of matter is the big bang.
Where did the laws of mathematics come from? God made it such that two plus two makes four? Please.
>>80494444
>I have no objective basis for anything but I am objectively right because you agree with me that hell is bad and therefore hell doesn't exist
>>80500110
Always existed?
So you're saying an order existed that predated the Bigbang?
>>80493022
>God doesn't follow my orders, therefore he is not great
If God obeyed you, you would be God.
Checkmate
>>80493380
(((Jesus Christ)))
>>80500140
Natural disasters are not always linked to humans...
Or you could've just read The Age of Reason where Thomas Paine demolished religion about 10 times as good well over 200 years earlier
>>80493473
God always planned to give them the knowledge, but not when they were in an infantile state.
>>80500149
Stop... please stop.
A man can only endure so much mental gymnastics.
My nigga Epicurus said it best.
>>80499032
>reading is for fags
>>80493473
>>80493473
Wow epic argument you really made me think
Read the book of enoch you god forsaken heathens
>>80500230
there it is
"what happened and/or caused le bigbang, checkmate athetits"
tell me what you think predated it
>>80500336
No man, i want to hear what he has to say. I share neither yours nor his view on things.
>>80500166
The Bigbang didn't create matter, it dispersed it.
So you're saying explosions of nothingness happen with no chemical reaction/catalyst, and magically bring matter into existence?
>>80496312
There is no such thing as a universe without God. Without God there is no existence. His argument is nonsensical.
>>80499863
You splendidly managed to miss the point of the anon you replied to in your first post. Hitchens's book is obvious rhetoric. The anon made a plea that people not fall for emotionally-appealing garbage. Your response? WEW MENTAL GYMNASTICS
Some argument. Tell me again about how smart you are and how "over" it is.
>>80499797
..most of the bodies...such as the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, the Rite of Avignon, the Order of the Temple...are nearly all the offspring of the sons of Ignatius Loyola
Helena Petrovna Blavatsky /Isis Unveiled (quoted by Michael Tsarion)
In the Society of Jesus, he [Ignatius Loyola] set up six degrees for advancement, which are the same as in Freemasonry; its doctrines are similar to those of the Jewish Mishnah.
Eustace Mullins /The Curse of Canaan
The power of the General [Black Pope] shall be so unlimited that should he deem it necessary for the honor of God, he shall even be able to send back, or in other directions, those who have come direct from Popes
Ignatius Loyola
I don't really feel like replying to you any more, you are just naive
>>80500418
You dont know my views Sven. Dont go all "im above this" on me.
There arent two sides to this story.
>>80500149
Pic related
Also see 'theodicy'
>>80500015
>rationalwiki
>>80500395
>tell me what you think predated it
Well, where did the force that originated the universe come from, anon?
>>80500433
>So you're saying explosions of nothingness happen with no chemical reaction/catalyst
first of all it isn't an explosion, in fact the big bang caught on as a name because of efforts to discredit it. it's actually more like a slow expansion, slow being relative here
also before we even argue this you know i don't necessarily even have an opinion about pre-bigbang existence so refuting whatever i think won't make god credible
>>80500457
Nice one.
So you literally ignore my 3 posts about whether books which educate are valuable to incite exactly these changes in thinking.
Interesting.
>>80500395
Physics had to predate it.
1. An order of physics must be present in order to facilitate things like explosions.
2. An order of physical law had to govern the organization of matter dispersed by the Bigbang.
>>80500496
Can you keep talking about it, though? For the benefit of others.
Tell us more about Ignatius Loyola and freemasonry!
>>80500598
>Well, where did the force that originated the universe come from, anon?
who knows, bet he doesn't have a beard and watch you masturbate though
>>80499217
I have decided that atheists are simply lacking some mental/spiritual capacity to sense God.
Trying to convince an atheist that God exists is like trying to convince a blind person that you're wearing a yellow shirt.
>>80499320
>Everything fucked up? That's what most humans who ever lived said about their times.
That's entirely false.
Every society has its doomsayers but we are looking at a similar situation that St Augustine was looking at.
Religion does give morals, Christianity is necessarily prescriptive in description, for truth by nature being absolute ought not be broken as such is in line with truth, any challenge to such a principle is self defeating.
Christianity offers the only intellectual framework in which this view of truth is coherent.
Science is a sham and its only raised more questions and confusion.
Yes I love the toilet and I appreciate the ability to speak someone half way around the world, however, it isn't necessary for happiness, unfortunately no one was asked if they wanted a scientific revolution or an age of technology.
It has served only to distract us from why we live.
Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.
yes I'd rather have a brief moment of happiness than live forever.
Science has robbed us of our immortality and here you are worshiping it.
>>80500665
yes so what is not atheist about any of this yet
>>80500276
You didn't answer my question.
The ones that don't affect humans are therefore irrelevant and the ones that do affect humans who freely choose to live in a place affected by natural phenomena.
>>80500354
Reading is for fags. I never met person, who have a job and read this kind of shit. I have to be neet or have shitty useless job. Because normal person wouldn't want to spend his spare time on shit like this. This book is stand on the shelf near "How to marry with rich husband" and "10 advices to feel good".
>>80500447
(undemonstrated assertion)> we have no proof of god creating this universe or examples of god creating other universes.
>>80500745
Do stones move themselves? Does order naturally arise from disorder? Can order exist without a higher power establishing it? Do you know what a pattern is?
>>80500548
Fair enough.
>>80500578
I know britbong, i am full aware of the contradictions and all of the dumb shit in the bible. I'd still like to hear his answer, though.
>>80494133
M8
You do realise that not everyone is a NEET with enough free time to do that
And no one can know everything
I think one of the best things about religion is that it is world view that brings people a lot of joy and comfort
Leading to a happy life
If you decide to have science as a worldview, you probably won't have the time or intelligence to actually pour through all the data and understand it fully
Meaning than your faith in it is pretty similar to a theist
Except that you don't have any of the positives that come with religion
>>80500336
Horns of the dilemma have been split for a while, now: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/euthyphro-dilemma
>>80493167
(((IRELAND)))
>>80500496
None of these 'quotes' support what you said.
Why would you post a wall of text if you have nothing with which to back up the claims therewithin?
>>80500447
What he's refuting is the noma argument, religion and science being non overlapping. Religion tried to use scientific proofs and strayed into science (egg evolution, ID etc). When science tries to refute religion, suddenly they are separate non interfering areas.
>>80493022
There is the /k/ube, and there is KEK
I need not place my faith in other entities
>>80500705
Who said it's a physical entity?
I suggest you read the book of enoch, friend.
>>80500904
>Do stones move themselves? Does order naturally arise from disorder? Can order exist without a higher power establishing it? Do you know what a pattern is?
okay
rhetoric, what pattern
>>80500857
Have you ever met a person who has a good job and reads Bible?
>>80495443
Speak for yourself; You were probably not invested In the first place. Name one part in what ever religion you said you were apart of that told you how to think. You're one of those people who uses other people's experiences as their own.
>>80493341
Riding on the wave of his brother's success
>>80501037
i remember the alamo
>>80500125
Still no challengers?
>>80501037
i listened to an audio recording of it, it had giants in it and an 8 winged angel that'd burn your eyes out if it didn't cover itself
>>80500433
This is a God of the gaps argument. Because we aren't currently sure, well, God did. it. We know the universe back to the first milliseconds. Soon we'll know the rest.
>>80500665
>1. An order of physics must be present in order to facilitate things like explosions.
The "big bang" is not a literal description of the beginning of the universe, it was a derisive term by people who believed the universe did not begin and had always existed.
>2. An order of physical law had to govern the organization of matter dispersed by the Bigbang.
Matter was not "dispersed," as dispersal implies a pre-existing area into which matter would be distributed. Space, time and everything in it came into being in the big bang and space itself expanded.
>>80500716
It's more like trying to convince a Christian that Mohammed is God's final messenger, or trying to convince a Muslim that Jesus was the son of God. It's like trying to convince anyone on Earth that Zeus is the Highest of the Gods and that Hera is his wife. It's like trying to convince a Mormon that Krishna is the avatar of Vishnu.
You theists seem to forget that we both don't believe in plenty of supernatural claims that don't have evidence. We only differ on that ONE in which you happen to believe.
>>80501064
The pattern of organization and order.
If somebody 50 years ago makes a ring of stones for a campfire, are you going to assume the stones organized themselves into a ring because you see nobody around?
>>80501081
Nearly all the adults of my friends as a child
What the Fuck
It's incredibly common for baby boomers, and the next generation to be religious
Especially wealthy, well educated protestants here in northern Ireland
>>80500733
Riiight. Good luck in overcoming that delusion. As of now, you're probably not able to have any reasonable debate.
I'm not able to undo whatever has led you down this path, I can only advice you to think for yourself and think critically. Don't indulge in willfull ignorance!
>>80501184
>This is a God of the gaps argument
is that what they called it? i never knew but i've read it a million times on this stupid fucking board
I must ask the christians in this thread; what makes your religion more right than the veritable hundreds if not thousands that have existed across the world throughout history? What is it that sets you apart?
>>80501196
So then you can't use it to refute creation.
Secondly, now you're saying that matter came from nothing, which is just mystical stupidity.
>>80497489
source?
>>80501271
>The pattern of organization and order.
so because physics exists order exists?
>If somebody 50 years ago makes a ring of stones for a campfire, are you going to assume the stones organized themselves into a ring because you see nobody around?
you can infer what happened but it'd still be a guess
>>80500882
>we have no proof of god creating this universe or examples of god creating other universes
We do, though. There are breadcrumbs throughout history that shows that outright future science is predicted and we may have been led to the sciences by outside forces.
The book of enoch and the great pyramids of giza are connected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVwaftPSRd0
>>80501304
>I can only advice you to think for yourself and think critically.
I think that's a stupid idea
>>80501081
THICC
>>80493022
You mean he turned you into another neocon nu-atheist.
>>80500578
Go to church for a day and this argument is retarded.
>>80500147
Yes, God didn't created iPhones
>>80500336
Child shits on your carpet and you have all the power of GOD to stop it:
a) you take away shit, so it will never learn to stop shitting on a carpet?
b) force child not to do this, so it will see you as evil?
>>80501271
Crystals are ordered and you don't see god building them.
>>80501507
>The book of enoch and the great pyramids of giza are connected.
next you'll tell me nostradamus predicted helicopters and hitler
LMAO - babby's first hitchslap.
Protip: Christopher Hitchens was an extremely intelligent human who also happened to be a natural contrarian. He could argue either side of an issue convincingly, thus clearly displaying the difference between those of us who are able to be "convinced" of something and those of us who rely on facts instead of salesmanship when making crucial life decisions.
In fact there is a God. Only a fool would ever consider believing there isn't.
Observe as Dr. William Lane Craig makes a sweaty pile of quivering manflesh out of Christopher Hitchens - the shining star of the so-called "New Atheist Movement" - in this formal debate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FofDChlSILU
>>80501146
Straight up wrong, kike.
