Talented nationalist white people of /pol/, this is a call for you.
We need to win the battle of ideas and to win this battle of idea we need talented people to produce art about nationalism.
Poetry, painting, movies, music, essays, novels, whatever you can do, do it. Nationalism must be something beautiful to look up to.
In the XIXth century Romantic nationalism helped development of nationalism. Delacroix, Wagner, Grimm brothers, Rossini, Verdi, Mickiewicz, Kreutwald, Lönnrot. These are the people who really helped nationalism, being inspirations for thinkers, philosophers, intellectuals and, above all, the people.
In XXth century marxists had sovietic realist art to push their ideology. Nazi produced art to push national socialism to seduce.
Art is essential into making nationalism inspiring. It creates a Zeitgeist which is essential into making changes.
This is a call to all the people with talent, I know there are some in here : produce art, poetry and literature on your tradition, history, values, about your people and your country. Show them with aesthetics so they can touch the heart of the people.
This is what is making the real difference and what lacks to current nationalism. Give common people inspiration, faith in the nation. Before winning the battle of idea we must win the hearts. Nationalism must be made attractive and there is nothing better than arts to make it attractive.
And more personnaly, take inspiration in nation, your people, your race. If you can't find inspiration in your nation, people and countries to produce something beautiful and inspiring for others, it just means yourselves aren't moved by your ideas, which are condemned to fail.
Produce, as much as you can, if you think you'll be ostracized for it, then accept it but keep integrity and show the beauty in what you believe in.
>>80391581
Unfortunately, we choose practical fields to do something with our lives rather than mickey mouses art degrees like leftists, so we don't have too much artists in our ranks.
>>80391581
bump
I will try to write some nationalist poetry, I have not much inspiration though...
>currently working on a script that might really be made
>sneaking in as much pro-masculinity, pro-british, pro-family, pro-gun and anti-islam material as possible
>stupid yids at the studio aren't noticing and just think it's standard action movie bullshit
>>80391960
Instead of wasting time on video games, television and all the stupid shit, you could use your spare time to develop a talent and at least try. Think about all the time you lose on stupid shit, and think what good you could do not only to you on a personal level but for the cause.
>>80392219
Read about your History, about mythology, whatever you love about Germany and your people. Inspiration will come. It's not writing about nationalism, but about making the love in the nation, the country, its histories, values, etc... beautiful.
I don't know, write a poem about the battle of Teutoburg forest, Arminius, Bismark, Otto I. There is so much to glorify in their lives. Make a poem about values of hardwork, selflessness to help people or whatever. At least try and try to spread it (with internet it is easier than back in the past). Just do it.
>>80392720
Great, that's the spirit.
>>80391581
I have had such thoughts, too.
But I'm a mathematician and not in any way or form experienced in artistic expression. The last time I did that was in school in art courses.
However, I had some good ideas about some story that would make a good film. Thematically it would be a bit like Die Buddenbrooks but with a more nationalistic/communal sense. Before I can try things like that I have to write some smaller plays first, I think.
Btw, the technologically bleeding-edge form of entertainment today is videogames. Maybe we should get some redpilled PC games going.
>>80393025
>a poem about values
this sounds good.
I bump for visibility. Feel free to post things you made or to inspire people.
>>80391581
Meh nationalism is a myth.
A populist myth but a myth nonetheless
>>80391581
I've written a couple nationalist songs, but don't know if I have time to record them at the moment.
>>80395422
>different ethnicities, languages and cultures are myths
>>80395451
Would you share a bit of lyrics with us ? I'm trying to right something myself, I will post it when I'm finished.
>>80395163
Fuck you
Allah ackbar
>traditions
>nationalists
People who still suck on mommy's tit and daddy's cock general?
We are formless being. We can exist without tradition. We created it in the first place. We can destroy it just as easy. Also
>following, without thought, set rules set in line by someone before
You might as well be a robot.
What nation bro? America is cucked into oblivion, apparently we wuz neva great. I guess I'll sit on my hands and wait for your dope frenchy rhymes
I used to be rather talented with pottery, even won a few contests after my gf pushed me to enter them, was a fair hand at painting as well. Even got into a pretty good art school (I know). But after things fell apart with my gf of about 6 years I dropped it all and simply drifted through life since. I don't think I'll bee any good at it now, but you're idea is a good one. The culture war is won by making the masses feel good about their cause.
>>80396055
>What nation bro?
That's a good point. Is america a nation for you ? What is it to be american ?
nationalism is a spook dipshit
>>80391581
Yes, you are on point OP! What we need is a spiritual and cultural revolution and art, poetry and litterature is at the forefront of that.
I have, myself, mostly been reading about our current situation and the historic conditions which led to it, in order to better find a solution out of it. I am afraid that i dont have much artistic talent however.
I am /fit/ and quite good looking which is something I have thought about. I try to be as attractive as possible and as open as possible about my ideas and the situation we are in to my peers so that they might associate the fight of the west with something attractive and positive (me).
That might sound awfully narcissistic, but I do believe the saying "Be the change you want to see" has alot of truth in it. We need to make it favourable to be part of our "movement" and looking good/having a good image is certainly part of that.
I'm just a drawfag. But I will try
>>80396430
My nation is White America, when I write. I think of my hometown, my state, all the beautiful people I've met, all the beautiful places I've been to. Kind of the Midwest area.
>implying we don't already have most powerful "artwork" known to man.
Check em
Our art is expressed through high concentration memes.
>>80396693
Tell me about your state, or midwest in general. All I know about it is niagara falls or sadly detroit or chicago.
>>80391581
hurray for smart frogs
i want to visit france one day
when i'm there i want to see french people and french culture
bastille day is the tits
>>80395582
Here's the song in total.
Soon my enemies, will fall all over me.
I'll soldier on.
Soon I will have to fight
For my families
So breaks the dawn
I will raise my hand,
To fight for the fatherland
When the bombs are falling.
When the bombs are falling.
I've lived a thousand lives
The echoes of my ancestors
In all off them I have died
And I'd die once more
To save, my sons and my daughters
Nieces and Nephews
Sisters and brothers
You are my blood and my love.
Soon our enemies will sink their teeth into our country.
Will we soldier on?
Soon we will have to fight
For our families
So breaks the dawn
Will you take my hand,
To fight for the fatherland?
When the bombs are falling.
When the bombs are falling.
We've lived a million lives
The echoes of loud ancestors
In all of them we must die
In peace or in war
I hope you're by my side
Only together can we survive
Though some of us will move on
Soon, our enemies will sink their teeth into our country.
We'll soldier on.
Soon we will have to fight
For our families
So breaks the dawn.
We will raise our hands,
To fight for the fatherland
When the bombs are falling.
When the bombs are falling.
>>80396969
>6969
checked
>>80396633
A spook can still be an expediency.
Have any of you 'spook' dropping faggots even read Der Einzige?
>>80396669
Thats pretty good. You could do some good stuff.
>>80391960
That is right. The only people on the right with romantic tendencies end up on psychedelics, raving about quantum tetragrammatons and kek. They don't need art.
So what did this niggas narrative tell us about American Ideals, culture, values, and practices
Give me your best argument /pol/
>>80395422
you just hate that american nationalists are putin fans and will not lift a finger when he liberates Constantinople, in fact we might help if he asks for it.
Nationalism is nature
eagles and bears do not fuck with each-other and are indifferent to cockroaches.
expediency for what? War? Death? Authoritarianism? Idiocy?
>>80391581
Putting faith in men will only earn you disappointment (i.e. socialism, communism, fascism etc).
It's time to believe in someone higher than yourselves /pol/. Accept Jesus Christ.
>>80397096
Nice, its great that people are writing stuff, even if it rarely makes it out to the public it is still good to do.
>>80396669
Nice.
>>80397096
I like it, very warlike. A battler song.
I saved these two poems a while ago from another anon. They are quite enjoyable.
//Mother Eurpe//
Europe our Mother
Europe the Kind
Which of your children do you love most?
Is it Germany, proud and strong
With plenty of brain to match his brawn?
Is it France, prestigious and bold
With a legacy as rich as it is old?
Is it Britain, adventurous and free
Sailing ships on every sea?
No! She replied
I love you all equally!
You're all so very dear to me.
Europe our Mother
Europe the Great
Which of your children is the strongest?
Is it Italy, who conquered Gaul?
Whose iron law was known by all?
Is it Greece, the home of the oldest Gods?
Who struggled with Turks against all odds?
Is it Spain, who was lost for so long
But found the strength to fight on?
Stop! She cried
You're all so wrong!
In all your lands my birds sing songs!
Unity and brotherhood makes our family strong!
Europe our Mother
Europe the Stout
Which of your children is the bravest?
Is it Russia, stretching out far East
Who tamed the frozen wild beast?
Is it Poland, faithful and true
Who made sure invaders could not break through?
Is it Serbia, who fought night and day
To keep Mohammedans at bay?
Enough! She said
You're all so brave!
The most of all I could not say!
I could not choose
There's naught to gain
I love you all, all the same!
Now pay attention, please be sane
A new invader comes today.
Unite and strike with an iron glove
And show them all your Mother's love.
//Every man//
TO EVERY MAN THERE IS A CAUSE
WHICH HE WOULD GLADLY DIE FOR
DEFEND THE RIGHT TO HAVE A PLACE
WHICH HE CAN BELONG TO
AND EVERY MAN WILL FIGHT
WITH HIS BARE HANDS IN DESPERATION
AND SHED HIS BLOOD TO STEM THE FLOOD,
TO BARRICADE INVASION
>>80397796
I do believe in Jesus Christ, or I wouldn't believe in France or western world.
>>80397096
I'll just suggest that we shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking that nationalism means "fight" and combat. Much space ought to be provided for the concept of love, for the idea that it can only take place in a context of trust most likely to exist in a nationalistic context.
So a good theme for a song could be : the loss of trust in society, resulting in a loss of love.
Nationalism has a real women problem that needs to be fixed and I believe it could be with an admixture of subtle cue about shaming and an association between nationalism and nurturing, ie. you want to say that nationalism is good for the children or that it is similar to doing that.
Maybe some bullshit giant analogy about a garden, I don't know. Like you used to play in your garden as a child and then you grew up and it went to shit and now that you have children of your own they'll have no where to exist.
>>80397952
Forgot to jump lines, but //Every man// is a separate poem.
>>80391960
Art is everything you literal plebian.
>>80391581
Animation student here, but I also paint and occasionally draw dickgirls for pennies. Will add redpills to my work once I become a professional.
>>80397796
or
wotan
or
thor
anyone really who teaches virtues like honor and truth
something bigger than yourself that you can strive for but never attain in this life
jesus christ fits this role perfectly
screw all of the dogma made by man though
turn the other cheek was written a thousand years later by a king who wanted a passivve slave race
>>80398059
>I'll just suggest that we shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking that nationalism means "fight" and combat.
That's pertinent. Nationalism suffer a bad reputation because of skinheads or violent people like that.
But war and battle are inspiring in arts (maybe it's my french heart which loves to much military marches).
>>80398414
Well any movement worth its salt has to spawn the whole range of human emotion while giving it its particular tint. I actually think that while militarism and combativeness has been associated with the right, it has never been intrinsic to the right but is rather the result of a process of demonization on the part of the left.
Nationalism is about "the nation", its character, its essence and, finally, its preservation and organic evolution. It is only because it must be preserved that there is attached to it the idea that you must fight for it, but this is only incidental to the prior notion which is that of an entity to keep intact.
The thing to defend comes before the defense itself. So the true nationalist isn't a pure warrior. He is rather like one ready to sacrifice himself in the service of a friend, a home, a place to call his own.
>>80398284
>>80398414
Ironically enough, I believe work such as pic related are as nationalistic as you can get.
>>80398059
Well, with my country the way it is, nationalism and war are all we can do to survive.
>>80399039
I think the thematic of family is really mandatory when you talk about nationalism. The nation is an extension of family.
>>80399741
There has to be some kind of intimate relationship between, on the one hand, a group of people who identifies as being part of the same group and, on the other, a certain way of life, and I'm not sure we can separate the two. The nation = family has never really rung true to me. Rather I have nation = identity + way of life.
The family then, because of the children, becomes the primary unit of a kind of self affirming act. You have a family and you raise your children, you thus affirm, in so doing, the value of your identity, on the one hand and of your way of life on the other, since you transmit both to your children. The nationalistic meaning of the family is the positive affirmation of the value of these things and the anti nationalistic sentiment corresponds to its negation.
I think these things are the roots that make an expression such as "cuck" effective. A cuck is a person who either promote or raise the offspring of another nation, that is to say of elements of either a different identity or of a different way of life. It's the negation of the value and worth of what he could consider his own.
I'm trying to right about the Battle of Tolbiac. It is a sort of a religious poem more than something about war.
Clovis was desperate and asked Jesus for help, which was granted. That's how France became the daughter of the Church and how catholicism took over arianism christianity, basically shaping the whole western world (to me the conversion of Clovis to catholicism is when western world was born).
I'm not very talented but I'm trying hard. It's focused on Clotilde, Clovis' wife, who was the motor for conversion of Clovis (she was a fervent catholic and was made a saint).
>>80398059
Women must be a part of this. I think you are right and assimilating women with nation could be a great idea. A nation is a sort of mother, or father, but I think it must be shown as a motherlike figure to attract women and give them self esteem. White world is the part of the world that did the most for women and their rights, freedom, etc... And even if third wave feminism is pure shit, women deserve respect and must be put at the center of nationalism. Because when you want to defend your nation, you want to defend women first.
>>80393025
I quit my professional job to train as a self-publishing writer. I think it's worth the risk, since this is the only way I'll be able to get rich and all our jobs will be done by robots one day, so it's best to prepare myself and my family to become independent from the economy. Plus I studied at the number one rated literature department in the country, so might as well not let my degree go to waste.
My plan is
>Erotic short stories
>Erotic romance novellas
>Christian-friendly historical Romance novels
>English/Christian-themed historical novels
>Neo-Romantic (my personal take on the alt right) high fantasy based on Western mythology and history Tolkein-style
It will take at least ten years to get to this stage. 100% certain I will get to stage 3 by this time next year and be making enough money to become self-sufficient from the system, get married, propagate the white race and raise my kids with strong racial and national identity, hopefully enough for private school. Being a former teach I consider this last point very important.
Whether I can make stages 4 and 5 and actually do something good depends on how well I can motivate myself.
I strongly urge everyone to figure out what they're good at, get gooder by practicing, and use it to acquire wealth to propagate the white race and advance the cause of nationalism.
>>80401608
>I strongly urge everyone to figure out what they're good at, get gooder by practicing, and use it to acquire wealth to propagate the white race and advance the cause of nationalism.
Solid advice, good luck with your own endeavors.
>>80401307
>third wave feminism is pure shit
Well it's inspired by marxism so it was kind of destined to make everything worst and generate despair.
>>80397952
//Mother Europe// is kicking against my tearbags, really nice.
>>80398319
Jesus is about cuckoldry, I dont understand why everyone wants to exuse him and make him a proper diety... he is a jewish invention.
We allready have Gods!
As you said.
Hail Wotan! Hail Satan!
Oh, talking about art I forgot that I made pic related with a magnifier glass. its about 25 cm in diameter.
>>80391581
This is the problem I have. Even if we create the art, how do we disperse it? If we had some form of media representation it would be good, but the types of places that are our media are far from the mainstream.
>>80398176
>he fell for the anything can be art meme
Laughinggirls.jpg
>>80401146
This is a very interesting point of view. Please, could you develop a bit please.
>>80401897
This is the age of information, man. I can go on twitter or facebook and read people telling how their farts smell. If I can read that, I'm sure I can read how you feel about your people and your country.
>>80391581
You're naive and delusional
Germans, British, Nordics and Americans see art as extravagance and idleness. Those countries have no painters, musicians (except Germany), architecture. They only have writers
It's the teutonic, northern Europe that caused the decline of Europe
>>80401897
Movements always start in small circle from which they then grow. It was true of Islam (Muhammad and his compagnion), Christianity (Jesus and his disciple), Marxism, etc.
At first, there is an core of "true believer" who write and produce things which are not necessarily destined for internal consumption but are mostly consumed by the in group.
Then it grows from there quite slowly until it reaches an inflection point.
>>80396055
Says the faggot that never camped in a forest or hiked on our national park trails.
>>80402121
>This is a very interesting point of view. Please, could you develop a bit please.
Not unless you have specific questions. I don't see the direction in which I should expand.
memes are the only relevant 21st century art
>>80397952
Those are beautiful.
>>80391581
What if someone makes a videogame nationalistic ideas? It could cater younger audiences too.
>>80402564
/Pol/ the videogame? Count me in.
>>80402564
There's a game I'd like to make called Diversitopia, which is a ressource management game where you have to finance various organization throughout the world the goal of which is to promote immigration in white countries. You win the game once you have achieved "diversity" by having eliminate all whites.
You have to finance open border lobby group, change the history curriculum, pass anti xenophobia legislation, kill pro natalist initiatives etc.
It would be a little bit like the game "pandemic". You could choose between 10 different gender construct for your character (which is irrelevant) and you could chose your advisor : a hijabi, a gender fluid black person or a white green haired SJW with problematic glasses, sleeve tattoos etc.
>>80393599
I'm a mathematican too but I also like to write, compose for the viola and paint
>>80391581
The "people" do not care about art in the 21st century.
The "people" care about pop culture. You don't win their hearts with paintings, literature, sculpture and whatnot, you win it with HBO TV shows, over-marketed formulaic pop-music, comic strips on the internet, smartphone videogames and big-budget motion pictures
This is where the Jews won. They understood it early and immediately grabbed control of all these industries. Unless you oust the jews, there's nothing that can be done.
>>80402734
working on it..
>>80401812
I think you minimize impact of christianity on western values as a whole. Christianity is anchored in our culture, even when you don't believe. It is what united Europen, what created Europe. It is the deep soul of western world.
>>80402374
I don't understand what you mean by self affirming act of family. I think family is the smallest form of social organization and the nation is an extension of that, while you seem to think the opposite, at least from what I understand. So to me family have values, and for example in a tribe-like group (which I would say is the second step after the family unit), the meeting of values and people, which are alike and marry or whatever, is what creates substance and basis for bigger social groups.
>>80402564
Of course, whatever you like. It's just I don't know much about video games. But it's the 21th centuries, new medias exist and can be a vessel for messages or feelings. Aren't there video games about nationalism or something ?
>>80403003
Of course they don't care about a woman having her periods on a piece of paper, or somebody shitting in cans. Why would they care about this ? What do they get from this ? Nothing. But I think they could feel more connected by something that's closer to what are their concerns. To me modern art is something only made to parasite beauty and make people lose interest in nice things, by making them believe nice things are shit because it's a retard putting paint in his ass and farting it on a canvas.
>>80403151
Was it worse before christianization?
>>80403151
>I don't understand what you mean by self affirming act of family
It's self affirming in the sense that if you have an identity and a way of life which you value, then the act of transmitting them to other human beings is an implicit way of saying that they are good. They have enough value that you want the people you love to have them. You wouldn't give something to someone you loved that you thought was fucking terrible, nor would you want that thing to prosper in the future.
I agree with you that the family is a very basic form of social organization, but since I also recognize that families can have different structure, be of different kind, promote different types of civilization, I also am of the opinion that you cannot take the family IN GENERAL as the basis of "the nation", since different kinds of family can breed different kinds of nation. (The Islamic family isn't the same as a western family.)
So you need to have family + something else in order to arrive at a more closely nationalist concept. That something else I consider to be "identity + way of life", but this is purely tentative.
>>80402954
Easy to make, would get targeted by medias instantly, making huge publicity.
Shit has potential. The people playing simulation/strategy are pretty red-pilled already.
>>80402954
Sounds pretty good and easy to make. Good idea.
>>80391581
have no talent but love this idea.
>>80403651
Tell me how it was better ? Christianity brought a lot of good things to Europe, first being a unification (Karlemagne, our daddy) and a sense of Christian unity. It is a cement of Europe. Before Christianity there was no Europe, continent was centred on roman empire and Mediterranean sea. Do you think Europe (by Europe I mean white people, even if they're not in Europe they're still european people) could have achieved all it did without having this unity ? Nation is even a jewish concept, it is the literal traduction of goy. That's why the jews are against christ and Europe, that's why they want our death because as long as a christian breath, they aren't the chosen people.
>>80391581
What is needed is to infiltrate social studies, political studies. It is definetely a weak point of nationalism, there's more to write/invent about it, using bit and pieces of nationalists movements/thinkers around the world and across history to reshape its face.
There's also a need to put people in front of facts (statistics), but not with edgy pictures and obvious "right-wing" message.There's a lot to prove, we need to make the red-pill more accessible "Liberals" do it and it works for them.
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ ,in this fashion, clean presentation, nice graphics, etc...
>inb4 STEM masterrace
>>80391581
I have a gargantuan boner for French and Swedish Romantic nationalism.
>>80404186
Romans did a hell of a job uniting.
The grmanics had a tribal structure, they fought united against the romans. Without christianity europians also would have united by now, they defently had the spirit for it. And there are still little differences between the europian people.
A big civilization is not the next step of tribalism, they are equally well. Tribalism is better suited for northern people and big civilizations for mediteranians. I believe that they would be able to live together.
A celtic druid was once asked for advice in a roman senat witch seems to prove my point.
The celts,germanics,slavs,greeks and romans would stand autonomly towards each other but as one towards enemys, for example mongols.
Christianity forced Europe together.
Europian subcultures can live together as friends but not as a family.
>>80405141
>>80404186
rereading my text... I hope you dont mind that awful structure.
Conclusion once again.
With christianity we force Europe together and the differences between the people may remain unsetteld and therefore it is not the optimal situation.
Without christianity, the slightly different europian peoples can come closer to each other, as close as they can without getting into conflicts. They then stand as friends and can unite against common enemys.
>>80404786
What about danish?
Pic related.
>>80403931
That's the point.
>>80404124
If someone could give me some pointer as to how to make it I could or at least get started.
>>80391581
Alt right artist here
Working on art for a game that will be kickstarted with nationalist and capitalist themes
Gotta stop playing mgsv and get back on track, been stagnant for last three weeks
>>80401146
I think your view, and the view of nation as an extension of family are congruent. Though I think you concern yourself first with culture and way of life, shared genetic identity and the possibility of shared DNA is key to the altruism, and thus the success, of a nation.
>>80406115
Name of it?
>>80405595
That's very good too!
>>80406446
>Though I think you concern yourself first with culture and way of life, shared genetic identity and the possibility of shared DNA is key to the altruism, and thus the success, of a nation.
Here I give the social constructivist some leeway. They're not 100% wrong when they say that identity is in part influenced by social processes and so I don't by wholesale the notion of a genetic basis to the identity.
I think you have to develop an a priori concept of identity which you can then use to analyze the role genetic or phenotypical differences make relative to it. You don't have to normatively posit "identity := genetic".
>>80391581
>tfw making a story that has deep religious and nationalistic tones
>Core feature revolves around fantasy and magic, to attract a younger audience
I just hope people will find it when it's done.
i draw the adventures of christ chan
it got a swastike on the title so its something
>>80403691
Well, that's a fair point and I think I can only agree with that. Family and nations are very tied. You made me realize marxism and its internationalism push for destruction of family unit through various means (divorce, single mothers, sexual liberation, infidelity, etc...), because when you break family unit, it is harder to pass values of your nation on children, which in returns seek to fill the void, which ideologists take advantage of.
>>80405141
>>80405538
I think history tends to prove you sort of wrong. Romans conquered gallia, they wanted to conquer germania, and conquered half of brittania. So it sort of disprove your belief that both these organization could have lived together as one tried to subjugate and conquer the other all along its history. Roman empire collapsed because of lacks of "national unity" or at least a form of unity deeper than just conquest and political organization. That's the strength of christianity, because even if Franks waged war and subjugated neighbours resulting in Charlemagne's empire, they let something deeper than just an allegiance from some people to other people. We believed in the same thing, we shared the same values. That's why their legacy is lasting and that's why Europe as we know it is basically the same concept as the concept after the time of Charlemagne : white christian people (basically) from Norway to Italy, from Ireland to Poland. Of course it didn't make us one and there are lots of nation in Europe, but in the end we all share that we are white and christian (even for atheists). And even despite this we managed to be constantly at war with each others.
I don't know, I think you're unfair toward christianity and you minimize its implication in creation of "modern" european entity (I put modern in commas because it's 1200 years old).
Work hard my friends. See you another time.
This thread makes me so happy.
I think the reason this nationalist/reactionary aesthetic has become so popular lately is because of its emphasis on the romantic. Our current postmodern culture is a spiritual desert, dominated by relativism and ironic detachment. our tastes are dictated by intellectual hipsters: everything is a spook, everything is a social construct, everything is subjective so value judgements are inherently meaningless, objective truth and collective standards are oppressive.
Nihilism has been weaponised to endlessly critique any form of belief in morality or beauty, and ridicule those who find value in tradition or ritual. Social cohesion and culture have been discarded in favor of hyper-individualism and solipsistic hedonism.
We are winning because people are starved for meaning. Humans require purpose just as much as they need love or shelter. Without tradition or shared culture there can be no cohesion in a society, and no group identity. We've thrown out history, morality, and culture to make room for sterility and commercialization. Society has been rebuilt to resemble an Apple store, and people are sick of it.
I strongly believe our greatest weapon is beauty. Our current culture has become profoundly ugly as a result it's aggressive push to destroy anything that could offend, and that is the chink in it's armor. Romanticism is so effective because it celebrates beauty in virtue, and this is what we need to bring back to people. Our society is craving for meaning, all we need to do is remind them of where they find it. Show them the beauty in their history,in glory and honor, in strength and courage, and they will jump to reclaim it.
>>80408560
Cool!
>>80410817
>Nihilism has been weaponised to endlessly critique any form of belief in morality or beauty
Pretty much cultural marxism. ie the works of the Frankfurt School.
You should read "The Devil's Pleasure Palace: The Cult of Critical Theory and the Subversion of the West"
It mainly focuses on America but its a really good book and quite cheap on amazon last i checked.
>>80391960
>then accept it but keep integrity and show the beauty in what you believe
Fuck you. I'm an artist and a programmer.
>>80410817
>This thread makes me so happy.
Me too, I thought it would just die with 0 replies and surprisingly it lead to very interesting interventions.
I agree with what you say, particularly about purpose. Until a year ago, I was a cynic, a nihilist and I was VERY depressed and used to go to sleep hoping I wouldn't wake up anymore. I started hanging on christian threads in here back when they were regular occurences, at first for mockery, and then by interest. I was very touched by what I read there, and I started believing and now I'm sure it was God helping me through its believers. I felt I was awakening from a lethargy, I started seeing good in things again, I started practicing sports and believe in things higher than myself. And I'm certain artworkds, music and all these beautiful things posted in christian threads helped me receive the message of these threads. I never had the occasion of thanking all the good people I had the occasion to discuss with back then, but I may have end up killing myself. It's the first time I voice this to anybody, not even my family or friends knew how deep down I was.
>>80397796
>Accept Jesus Christ
The God who became Man.
>>80412476
>the thought up virtual jew who made Whites turn their cheek and forgive their enemies
>>80405595
What is the blue flag danbro?
>>80412570
You don't understand what the turn their cheek thing is about. It is not about being a victim and letting yourself being hurt, it is more about not escalating in violence.
>>80405595
And do i se correct is there a norwigian union flag with sweden there?
>>80398176
>Art is everything
A typically plebeian position. Raising the everyday and the common to exhalation. It is the very definition of vulgarity. Shunning that which is singular and which excels the rest. The lowest shall be highest; the meek shall inherit the earth. The ethics and aesthetics of the Christ and of the left. You are truly loathsome and wretched.
>>80412424
God bless you and thank you, French brother in Christ
Like you if it wasn't for Christian threads here, I would have still believed in nothing and still believe I was right
>>80412723
You mean yours?
The Swedish and the Norwegian flag is there because hundreds of Swedes and Norwegian volunteered to fight on Denmarks side against germany.
I remember a good story about a proud half swede half dane sergeant from Skåne who was at the battle of Dybbel in the second slesvig war. His entrenchment was overrun by the germans who asked him to surrender his sable or die. He said something prophetic that i sadly cant remember and chose death.
>>80413001
Yes, the first slesvig war which this is a painting of occured between 1848 and 1851 if i remember correctly. So you would have been in a union with norway.
>>80413251
>>80412723
Who could resist the Scandinavian flags? :^)
>>80401811
Karl Marx -> Jacques Derrida -> Judith Butler
>>80413618
Well Dannebrog was designed by god so it would be blasphemy to dislike it!
It would be nice to have postcards like Pic again.
>>80401897
>how do we disperse it?
Posted on the image board responsible for the world wide dissemination of who knows how many memes.
>>80402371
This.
I grew up camping on the shores of the Great Lakes. Watch the Ken Burns documentary about National Parks.
>>80413804
I say we do honour to our flags again and revive our faith in our Lord the Christ ;^)
>>80391581
I sing/play guitar in a pretty good indie band in the Bay Area. My lyrics are all influenced by spirituality, idealism and an escape from post-modern nihilism. Titally agree that art/music surrounding our views are critical.
>>80406593
None yet, first finishing whole game, then name
Its about robot society
>>80414067
I would certainly be onboard with that!
>>80414091
>an indie band to save the West
>>80405728
>pointer
Write in C++
>>80414099
Alright, i will be keeping an eye out for it.
>>80414270
God bless you Danebro. I thought you're another Western anti-Christian, as almost all people are here
Abandoned music composition and song writing to focus on my engineer/programming career...Think I really screwed up..
>>80414323
Sorry it's all I can do bro kek
>>80414516
Not at all. No christianity = no western civilization.
Christianity has played an essential role in forming and creating the west and it is necessary in order to promote decency and give meaning to life.
We need a spiritual and cultural revolution and I can see christianity playing a big role in that. Although i am not sure how to repair the bad image it has been given by pop culture, media, and (((intellectuals))).
>>80410817
>dominated by relativism
>ironic detachment
The only possible position when one's thinking is based on Historicism. For them, all culture (including the definition of truth) is the product of historical conditions. It is the wholesale abandonment of personal agency and responsibility. If you believe every valuation (ethics and aesthetics) is the product of material condition then it is incumbent upon those in power to shape or engineer society towards the greatest good.
>objective truth and collective standards are oppressive
This is what they believe but its a bit more subtle. Hierarchy (value) is the problem; they can't stand difference.
>>80412424
Yeah, I went through something very similar myself, I'm surprised by how common stories like that are lately, I think many people feel the same but don't feel comfortable talking about it.
I've always been really sensitive to how nihilistic and cynical things have gotten, and for a long time most people I knew just didn't see it. It makes me really hopeful that the last year or so I've seen more people start to notice how shitty things are culturally. Personally I'm just so sick of irony. I hate how it's trendy now to shit on any kind of sincerity, nihilism is poison and we've killed our ability to judge anything or create anything of value since standards are now oppressive.
Art has been a huge tool in fighting back against this. We need to emphasize the importance of technical skill and aspirational ideals again. We've got to stop seeing aesthetic ideals as a tool to shame people, and return to using an ideal as an aspirational goal to work towards. This sort of thing is much more important to a functioning society than people admit. Most people need a role model to give them a positive standard to emulate, and by removing them we create chaos. This is why heros and myth is so important. If people don't have anything to aspire to, they have no motivation to be a productive citizen.
>>80415254
>This is what they believe but its a bit more subtle. Hierarchy (value) is the problem; they can't stand difference.
Well said, thanks. I'm not super well versed in philosophy so I grapple with terms sometimes
>>80415131
>Although i am not sure how to repair the bad image it has been given by pop culture, media, and (((intellectuals))).
We have to fix it ourselves by behaving as healthy, sane and non-suicidal Christians would behave
>>80415759
And as our Christian forefathers would have behaved
>>80413251
But it's blue and white? Or am i blind.
>>80393025
Video games are art faggot. Go ahead and make me a dank game with no art involved. I'm sure your text based rpg will reach the ranks of emacs adventure
>>80414067
>>80414270
Make some place for the non Christians. There's a couple of us. (I think we all agree on the principle, even if in a secular kind of way.)
>>80403003
>letting the jew win
cuck bastard
>>80416538
No, zoom in and you can see that it is yellow.
It is supposed to be yellow any way so you can rest easy knowing that it is indeed the swedish flag.
>>80415713
>philosophy
A perfect example of what I'm talking about. The work "philosophy" literally means "friend of truth". Truth is thought to be ahistorical - it does not contingent upon historical condition or any particular point of view. An insufferable position for leftists which is why they prefer the term "theory" as in "cultural theory", "gender theory", "critical theory", "literary theory", etc...
In the mind of the leftist there is no "truth" as such. Everything is subjective and your point of view is merely the product of the your environment (the race you were born into, sex, gender, socio economic status, etc...). Which brings us back to their moral crusade for social engineering. In their minds, every injustice, be it social, sexual, racial, or whatever CLASS distinction they feel is antagonized, is purely the result of cultural history. Hierarchical differences in classes must be eliminated. Difference is intolerable. The lowest shall be the highest. The meek shall inherit the earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment
>>80410817
>hyper-individualism
they just want to feel special because they really aren't
>>80416652
You are more than welcome if you support Christianity, even if you don't fully trust in Him yet
Search the Bible for: Mark 9:40
Niggers want to kill cops A
Cops don't wanna die B
So they get smart and arresst Soros and the complicit media C
>>80404456
This is good advice. Liberals have taken a stranglehold on most educational positions, and it would be beneficial to have at least a foothold in educating the next generation
>>80391960
Top kek most white pride nationalist are minimum wage job workers.... hence, the reason why they cry the famous line "they took er jobs"...when a immigrant with no connections, no language and no prior knowledge of the nation can take your job... well you pretty much are retarded son.
>>80412848
>what the turn their cheek thing is about
The original virtue signaling. An ethics which enshrines suffering could only have been thought up by the Jews - the most downtrodden race in history.
>>80417565
>Now knowing what suffering builds
Romans 5:3-4
Or do you still want to live all your life in comfort?
>>80417263
>when a immigrant with no connections, no language and no prior knowledge of the nation can take your job... well you pretty much are retarded son.
It's always nice to see how pro-imigration people get their jobs.
>>80417263
>"they took er jobs"
Except nobody took my job and you should stop believing in facebook meme.
>>80397656
I have always loved those dumb fucks who have mixed 1910 and 20's science that Hitler thought was true with what we have discovered in genetics. The differences in genetics (btwn black and white) aren't drastic and we are from the same species (so your analogy about eagles and bears made you sound like a fucking monkey)
Also the idea of fascism means you Americunts and Russians don't mix. It is a fight to the death for all races. For a fact if you read anything you would know that Hitler saw the people of Islam closer to him than the French.
And America itself is anti fascism because its a mix of British, irish, scottish , Spaniards, Italians etc... so you are a cancer for facsim.
I think you should know that if the ideas of fascism and nationalism were to function it would be a race war till the end of time.
Pick up a fucking book and learn a thing or two.
You are fucking white trash and white trash is the same as degenerate niggers
white
>>80391581
Trying to get up to speed,
Gauche Study of Lorenzo de Medici
>>80418446
>I think you should know that if the ideas of fascism and nationalism were to function it would be a race war till the end of time.
There is no logical link between having a country and wanting to invade somebody else. I don't know why you're so triggered at people in the west who love the west.
>>80418723
Because he hates the West
>>80418679
Here is what I am working on atm
>>80418446
>the idea of fascism means
continues to not understand or grasp what fascism is or means throughout your post
wew, great post lad
>>80417815
>suffering
>ethics of suffering meekly
>life in comfort (implying hedonism, ethics of pleasure)
false dichotomy. The message of faith is one of hope. You will be delivered from your troubles.
>"Rest in, rely on, trust in"
Definition of faith in Amplified Bible. The thoughts of someone only too eager to relieve themselves of personal responsibility. Christian ethics are the foundation of the left.
Stick to Job and Ecclesiastes. Avoid the gospels.
>>80391581
Thats a good Idea! We have just one Problem. Two Years ago, i was a leftist nihilstic. Everytime when i saw Christianity or National Socialism i smiled and thought "Look at this dumb Motherfuckers who created this".
Everything what we will show them, they would call us "Stupid" or "Dumb". I will start writing something and publish this. Also, we could create Teenage National Socialist Groups and tell them, that its cool to be Right. Like, if they want to Protest then they should go National Socialistic.
Someone have to Screencap this Thread!
>>80418947
Wow, very nice. Your style reminds me of my grandfathers style. He was a hobby painter but quite good. He mostly did landscapes though.
>>80418679
>>80418947
Very nice.
>>80398059
Sorry buddy but when you delf deep into the ideas and concepts of fascism and nationalism its a race war till the end of time.
Americans and Canadians can't have fascism because they were always a mix of Europeans so it wouldn't work, just look at quebec and its nationalistic struggle against the rest of Canada.
And even if europe was to take fascism as its main philosophical world view it would end up killing itself. The goal is conquest and the spread of your own race and culture.
Fascism is just like islam.
Hence the reason why Hitler saw the people of Islam l,closer to him than the french.
I will always loved Canada because it was a reasonable country never forgetting its European roots, but kept on advancing with time.
>>80418947
Excellent.
>>80419063
I'm not sure this is a natsoc thread.
When Kerouac was accused on inciting the degeneracy of the hippie generation, he responded with: "Communists jumped on my back...and turned the idea that I had that the beat generation was a generation of beatitude and pleasure in life and tenderness but they called it in the papers "beat mutiny", "beat insurrection", words I never used, being a Catholic. I believe in order, tenderness, and piety."
I think these are good values to start with: Order, Tenderness, and Piety.
>>80416604
are board games art as well?
>>80419003
>Stick to Job and Ecclesiastes. Avoid the gospels.
Are you the jew?
>The thoughts of someone only too eager to relieve themselves of personal responsibility
You are not personally responsible for everything mate. Individualism is cancer to the soul just as much as economic socialism is
>>80419397
Who the fuck cares ? Let the man speak his mind.
>>80419238
>I will always loved Canada because it was a reasonable country never forgetting its European roots, but kept on advancing with time.
t. someone who's never been to canada at all
>>80419238
Nationalism is not fascism. Love of your own country and way of life does not imply the hatred of others. Love of my self does not imply the annihilation of other. This is true just as much at a personal level as it is at a group level.
We recognize the possibility of differences.
Canada is its own country, its own nationality, and there used to be a certain form of Canadian nationalism, which tried to incorporate the French Canadian population by talking of the "two founding people". But the french were Catholic and spoke french, the English were protestant and spoke english, and the struggle of empires had the english conquer the french. This was merely a matter of historical accidents, and from there we evolved organically as two people living together.
The possibility of naitonalism in countries such as Canada and the US is very much a possibility. As I said earlier in this thread, the notion of identity doesn't have to reduce to race or genetic in so far as the population still recognizes itself as one. You're quite simply wrong about your hypothetical dive into history.
I strongly suspect you do not want the west to be nationalistic because you want to move there.
>>80418723
what books have you read...
Please you are as bad as the Muslims who say that Islam never says to kill and who haven't fucking read the Quran.
Its basically your major premise: your race is the chosen one and you must prove it to the world...
Fight them and prove it to the world.show the world how great your people are.
Please I urge you to read Mein Kampf.
Its expansion and conquest.
When your race has multiplied till you have a million inbreds you need more fucking land and resources...
Its fucking logic and look back at Germany's war time line concerning resources and land.
>>80419734
Well those differences are bound to come about at some point. If I'm not a natsoc guy and he is and there has to be some understanding that we don't really want the same thing. I don't know how many people here are actually natsoc.
>>80419298
I'm canadian you fuck I'm on vacation
From Montreal
>>80419962
>Please you are as bad as the Muslims who say that Islam never says to kill and who haven't fucking read the Quran.
There is no nationalist scripture.
Again, if we define nationalism as the love for one's way of life and one's people (ie. identity), there's no way to deduce from this that we'll just invade somebody else.
Get a grip. Main Kampf isn't our Koran. It's not even a good book and we have no concept of "living space" as it was construed by nazis.
>Its basically your major premise: your race is the chosen one and you must prove it to the world...
It's not. Get out.
>>80419594
>Are you the jew
If I was the Jew I would be recommending Exodus for maximum proto-holocaust butthurt and Isiah for maximum "lowest shall be highest" incoming eternal retribution morality, (or maybe Psalms).
>Individualism is cancer to the soul just as much as economic socialism is
I'm genuinely not advocating you go all Ayn Rand. Nevertheless, I stand by what I said.
>>80419181
>>80419298
Thanks senpai
>>80420071
>"""Canadian"""
So now we know why you don't like nationalism. I suppose you'll always favor immigration to Canada because you have more loyalty to some other people than to the people already here.
Amazing. That's gonna end up great.
>>80419063
I was the same as you anon. And I know that many people on here who are now "redpilled" were like that not too long ago aswell.
This, we must not underestimate. It shows that there is a continues flow of people waking up so to speak, and that it is all happening quite rapidly. I believe that our side is destined to win. Our current decadent society can not continue much longer.
>>80420071
>references my post
>Lebanon flag
>fails to capitalize own nationality
>I'm canadian you fuck
A leaf lost in space and time.
>>80419991
We dont have to want the same thing. We can still influence eachother positively and everybody should definetly be welcome here to discuss and perhaps learn.
>producing beautiful art for people that will look at it and laugh or claim it's unrealistic
you are way ahead of yourself OP
movement first, art later
>>80420653
Kek!
>>80420655
I suppose you're right if we're just talking about the philosophical underpinnings and the way to represent them in art. But it matters what the underpinnings are. But I'll shut up.
>>80419855
Fascism is simply more closely related to race.
Nationalism is the history and culture (preserving those ideas )
These countries were built upon a mix of cultural identities and are prone to changes...
First it was the Vikings
Then the natives
Then the Europeans
Now it looks like the Chinese...
What I would like to see is the preservation of the European culture since I find it to be the most sophisticated and culturally appropriate.
Though I'm not of European decent... I still support Canada under the influence of Europe...
People who immigrate must say they are Canadians or at least the 2nd gen immigrants should...
I have spoken to people from quebec who still say they are French or Scottish ... Wtf
They must say the are Canadians and proud to be .
>>80420313
>Christian ethics are the foundation of the left.
No, masonry is the foundation of the left (when it used to be called "liberalism", in the context of the French Revolution and American Revolution)
And ethnic jews were the foundation of the Socialist Left (Marxist-Leninism <- both branches founded by jews)
You're not fooling me juden
>>80419991
If you both love your nation, what's the problem ? Different type of nationalism can coexist, the point is wanting good for the nation. Even if you disagree about how it should be done, you still have globally the same aspirations which is the welfare of your people and nation.
Nationalists must unite against the one enemy which is globalisation and destruction of people and nation.
I'm a national socialist myself, I don't believe the smear campaign internationalists have done for the last 75 years on national socialism or nationalism in general. If you are a national liberal or whatever, sure we don't share the same sets of ideas regarding policies, but we still share the same aspiration and I'm sure once internationalists have lost we can work altogether in this same goal in a democratic process. We may not agree about everything, but we want the same thing in the end. The important thing is taking those working against the interest of the nations out of power.
Don't get me wrong, I may be a national socialist, I'm no authoritarian at all.
>>80420071
I'm pretty sure you meant to reply to me.
Right. I'm also from Montreal. South shore. Came back from a vacation on the island itself just today.
You wanna know how I know you're lying? There is no nationalistic struggle against the rest of Canada anymore. Take a walk on Rue Maisonneuve, St-Catherine, St-Hubert. What "european roots" do you see apart from a few tourist areas designed to lure in dumb, wealthy american visitors? None.
I came outta the hotel, looked to my left and had a transgender drag queen walk past me on the sidewalk. Gay quarters, muslim quarters, jewish quarters, how is any of that "european" in any way?
Granted, you could make a case about parts of the city being european in architecture, but that's the one and only case you could make. There is nothing european in that. Toronto, Ottawa and most parts of anglo Canada are the same, if not worse, because they have no ethnic lines to hold on to. No particular language to hold on to. No real common heritage.
The real, harsh truth you probably won't accept is that Canada has completely forgotten its' european roots ever since Pierre Trudeau and his extreme multiculturalism quest and that Canada has been evolving along those lines since the day he got elected.
A couple houses with Norman architecture does NOT mean your country "never forgetting its European roots".
>>80420195
I love this guy... so I'm fucking vacation...therefore I'm loyal to the country I'm touring in....
Jesus Christ buddy you gotta work on your arguments...
Thank god I wasn't in Cuba or something I'd assume you would call me a commie fuck...
>>80420856
>But I'll shut up.
Don't.
>>80420653
Work on a better argument...
This isn't the UN... if a capital letter makes the difference for you might as well be a grammar nazi.
Witcher.
>>80391581
Here is a study of your nigga Courbet
>>80420874
>Fascism is simply more closely related to race.
But anon, you seem to be retarded. There are multiple types of facism and Benito Mussolini for example did not favor the race based one and rather looked at what a nation is through the eyes of Ernest Renan where race is not the defining charecteristica, but shared history and hardship.
It is also, after ww2, Ernest Renans version of what a nation is that has won forth and what we live by today.
>>80421119
I don't know bud but back in longueuil if I spoke in English I'd be frowned upon...
Though parents sent me to an English school,I try my best to speak to the people in French as to respect the culture and people.
How old are you and are u you in the education system and if so what are you doing
>>80421376
You replied to a post where I wrote nothing other than the word "Excellent". I don't have an argument.
>>80421138
I'm gonna presume you're Lebanese. I'm gonna presume you or your parent immigrated to Canada. I'm gonna presume (and at this point I presume a lot) that you have a sense of loyalty to the people of Lebanon.
If I am correct, this means that you believe that more people from Lebanon should be allowed to come here, hence favoring "your people", whereas my not wanting more people from Lebanon coming here, which would be favoring "my people", will be considered, by you, to be an act of race warring.
This is what I've been assuming so far. You do not like nationalism because it immediately mean that the people to whom you are loyal do not get a pass to come to Canada. It is in your personal interest and the interest of the group you are loyal to to destroy any sense of nationalism in Canada so as to favor the prosperity of your own.
That is, of course, if I am correct in assuming that you are of Lebanese origin.
You must understand that I do not fault you for being Lebanese but I would fault, if I am correct, for favoring a certain political stance which I believe is designed to favor yourself and your group and the expense of mine under the pretense that it is neutral in regard to whom it profits and whom it may screw over.
>>80421703
Major scientists that where supported by mussolini were working on race related issues such as how people from the south had darker skin and were seen as dumber people for. The north...
It was bound to come to the race issue...that's if he would have lasted longer.
Also at this point it would still be characterized as nationalist party...
I can't remember what the scientist was called but you can look it it up... it played a major part in the way mussolini thought.
>>80420961
>masonry is the foundation of the left
Forgot where I was for a moment...
Honestly. Liberalism starts with the Protestant reformation and the West goes down hill from there.
>And ethnic jews were the foundation of the Socialist Left (Marxist-Leninism <- both branches founded by jews)
No argument. Also look up the authors of the Frankfurt school, or of psychoanalysis, or of French Existentialism, or of Post-Modernism.
>>80422185
Scientific racism and eugenics were popular topics in general in that era and weren't restricted to fascistic nations.
The US had eugenics society.
>>80422285
Liberalism starts with the political ideals of the so-called Enlightenment
Pic-related is an application of those ideals
All that Protestantism did was fragment the Holy Church
Are there actually any non-cucked strands of Christianity in existence today? In Britain, the Church of England, or the Anglican Church as it's more commonly known, has effectively become a socialist institution dedicated to "diversity", "social justice" and "tolerance". To me, it's the spinelessness of many of the modern-day Churches that have led to their demise; "Oh, we don't *really* disapprove of homosexuality... and we actually think abortion is OK..."
The Catholic church seems to be slightly more socially conservative and rooted in tradition but even that is beginning to pander to the dogmatic Liberal establishment.
>>80422587
>All that Protestantism did was fragment the Holy Church
Wrong. The central thrust of Protestantism was the notion of personal salvation. Your salvation, the judgment of your moral actions, was now a personal matter. No longer was the community (the Church) the arbiter of good and evil. This breed of relativism leads to >>80415254 and >>80417083
>>80422980
Orthodoxy (organised mainly along national lines as well)
Traditional Catholicism (purely organised along unwavering traditional principles)
Some Protestant groups
>>80423124
>This breed of relativism leads to >>80415254 and >>80417083
That's just a speculation. It sounds even more absurd than my conspiracy theory, to pin everything down to Protestantism
But even so, you do know not all Christianity is Protestantism right?
Ever heard of the Counter-Reformation?
>>80421869
You presumptions are true.
However I'm more loyal to Canada than most probably any white canadian.
I was sent to lebanon, because my parents want me to meet my family. I dislike it hear and constantly play the canadian national anthem as I ride in my car (I had also attached a canadian flag to my car)
I attempted to join the canadian army (reserves) to serve my country as it has given me a lot. But I'm not serving because I need the money... I'm currently a mechanical engineer at the best university in Canada (I guess you know is which one )
Lebanon historically can't have a nationalist sentiment since it was built by the British after the deceleration of Belford.
In reality the people of syria, lebanon Iraq, Israel/Palestine aren't arabs. They are great people with historical backgrounds such as the Phoenician, Asyrian, and Babylonian empire...
The arabs who fuck goats come from Saudi Arabia and spread with fucking Islam.
The middle east was the land of architects and philosphers. The land was known as greater Syria (something like greater germany)
Just wanted to give you a history lesson on the middle east.
You can choose to believe or not, its your choice. I currently have no lebanese friends and try not to. My friends are Irish,quebecios and French.
And no I don't try to bring people from lebanon. I voted against Trudeau and I despise him because of his weed and refugee policy.
Also I'm not a mudslime
Just gave you my fucking biography
>>80422403
So did Canada till the 70's in Edmonton
>>80423262
Does Orthodox Christianity even exist in Britain?
Also, how does one distinguish between traditional and non-traditional Catholicism?
>>80423633
>how does one distinguish between traditional and non-traditional Catholicism?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism
>>80423633
Traditional Catholics follow the Latin rite, and disregard the Vatican II council rulings (the franco-mason source of globalist dogma in the Catholic faith)
I am an Orthodox Christian. We're mostly east Europeans
Orthodoxy in general is completely redpilled about internationalist masonry as well
>>80423520
>I dislike it hear and constantly play the canadian national anthem as I ride in my car (I had also attached a canadian flag to my car)
Hahahaha this is based as shit son holy shit kek.
No, I believe you, but you have to understand why I was able to make the prediction I made about you in spite of your flag. I do not fault you for your ancestry and I applaud your patriotism.
The reason I was able to say the things I said about you is because I know, and you know, that the person who's ancestry in this country doesn't go very far finds himself in peculiar situation. He wants to be part of Canada, to be included, because he wants his presence in the country to feel legitimate. This is perfectly well and good on top of being fairly sensible and understandable. But it has some consequences when it comes to immigration.
Since the second-gener or even the first gener wants to feel included in the Canadian identity, how could he ever, for instance, argue against immigration from his home country? If he were to do so, would it not be on the basis that there are disadvantages to this type of immigration, or that the people from this country have no legitimate claim to be Canadian? But of course, if the "new Canadian" was to do this, he would also, at the same time, delegitimize his own presence in Canada, which he most certainly does not want to do.
So the immigrant is compelled, because of a situation he did not created and because of a past to which he his tied (because it is history) to argue in favor of immigration from his own country on top of undermining any notion of nationalism that may arise in his new country. This isn't because the immigrant is ill intentioned or a schemer, but rather because he needs to protect himself.
This, of course, is on top of all the social and family tie that may still make him loyal to "his" people.
I don't blame the immigrant for this attitude but at the same time it leads to certain problems.
>>80417263
>when a immigrant with no connections
Mafi wasta hayete ?
>>80423501
>It sounds even more absurd than my conspiracy theory, to pin everything down to Protestantism
Really? Let me ask you this: Which do you think played a larger role in the history of Western civilization? The Free Mason Society or The Protestant Reformation.
>Counter-Reformation
If this is an argument for the Catholic Church all I can think of is the words and actions of the sitting pope.
Honestly, I wish there was a strong church. The church used to be much more than simply a place of religious gathering. It was the center of the community. Festivals, Feasts, Wedding, Ceremonies, and every manner of civil gathering used to center on the church.
Where do we gather now? Dispersed on opposite sides of the planet to talk about these things. I admit to not being as social as I could be; but I doubt I'm the only one who feels isolated, alienated.
>>80424527
Apparently our connections are all over the place but I don't need them and don't want them.
And who the fuck are you to call me hayetee
>>80424767
>Where do we gather now? Dispersed on opposite sides of the planet to talk about these things. I admit to not being as social as I could be; but I doubt I'm the only one who feels isolated, alienated.
All that have been Westernised by the contemporary West are completely isolated and alienated to the core. Including myself
God keeps me sane, content, happy and hopeful for the future
>Really? Let me ask you this: Which do you think played a larger role in the history of Western civilization? The Free Mason Society or The Protestant Reformation.
I'd say that the former. But even if you'd be right and it would be mostly the latter, how does that mean that Christianity can just be reduced to this period of its life and to this particular branch out of its many branches and attitudes?
>>80391960
To be honest, art degrees dont make you artist or something. Art stuff can be learned by doing, degree not required.
>>80391960
yeah cool but that implies the two dont go together. you will never a great man if you think practicality and creativity dont go hand in hand. creativity is the one thing that has separated our people from the rest
a white man envisioned a world of safety he envisioned a rifle then using practical elements made it come to life, he proceeded to use that rifle on his enemies and created a safe world for himself. creativity + practicality
every single one of the great things white people have achieved come down to that same formula
there's a lot of dumb ass opinions in this thread
artistic movements, scientific movements, political movements and philosophical movements go hand in hand
you need to read about our history
without creativity we are not white people. we are niggers. creativity is literally the defining feature that has separated our race from the rest
art isn't just entertainment and pretty pictures. every idea that is now a living item is art
>>80424425
To be honest with you its been a long time I haven't spoken with somebody with some basic common sense and who can understand different situations .
However according to the immigration policy factor , I don't favor the lebanese. I favor who ever is needed and who ever is more educated.
When my father immigrated during the war, all he had was 500$ in his pocket . Though he had seen war and hell, he knew this was his opportunity to make something out of Himself. He attempted to go to cegep and learn math and physics, but couldn't because of the lack of money. Today after years of work he is the CEO of a company (won't name it because then It would be easy to identify him) however he has always taught me and my sibling that we must never forget the good Canada has given us and that we were born here and must defend this land. (This is partly religious) (I come from a minority religion which states the land you live on/born on is the land you must defend)
We were also taught to respect the culture and nation since it has respected us.
I believe in nationalism or else I wouldn't have gone to the recruitment center but I fear a race based nationalism (I'm no sand nigger) I'm more italian or Greek looking...
I also fear the degenerate liberal party which is making the people forget its roots, culture and history.
Lol
Stupid bitches titties popped out, she probably surrendered right after
>>80426117
>but I fear a race based nationalism (I'm no sand nigger) I'm more italian or Greek looking...
I myself am no native of this place, but there can plenty of room for ethnic nationalism in Britain and for migrants who are willing to sincerely support that cause
New World countries like Canada, or Old World ex-colonies, like Lebanon, have nowhere near the same basis for nationalism as native Europeans do in Europe for their own countries
For myself to join personally (if invited of course) in a British nationalist state, if it became traditionalist Christian again
But I fully support the native and ethnic Brits' full right to self-determination, even if I would not personally join in it in most cases
>>80391581
the frog is right, people don't want to see facts or statistics, thats way too much thinking, we need to give them inspirational things to look at and feel good about.
it can't be negative, it can't involve the dehumanisation or victimization of ethnic groups/people, it needs to be inspirational, something that shows pride in ones country.
>hard mode
try and involve other cultures that have taken residency in your countries, if you can inspire some of them, they will help. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CREATE ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE WHITE PRIDE
you will be called a nazi, and immediately ignored.
>>80426910
>is* if it became
>>80391581
>/pol/
>talented people
pick one
>>80426910
Some day... even Hitler recognized honorary members
>>80427359
Exactly. Individual people may aid a nationalist country, whole groups of people who's only thing in common is another ethnic trait, would be absurd to join
>>80426117
Well then you're at least some kind of proposition nationalist which is good, but I would enjoin you to realize, although I suspect that you know this, that there is no right to immigrate to Canada and that Canada has no obligation to allow anybody else to become one of its citizens. Any position on immigration which operates from the premise that Canada has an obligation to non Canadian in this regard as regard as non receivable.
As for a fear of ethnic based nationalism, it is no doubt a problem for all of those who are not part of the ethnicity in question and so the need to eliminate its manifestations by all means necessary is understandable, but, again, it causes problem (which I won't mention now).
This is the point at which nationalist have to be very fucking clear about what they want and what they're about. We're not about to deport anyone or strip anybody of their citizenship, no matter how restrictive immigration may become. We're also not about to tell people who were recently accepted as Canadians that they aren't Canadians out of crass racism.
But this is the point where I personally start to have some problem with my own position.
I know, for instance, that I wouldn't care about having a 100% white Canada. I also wouldn't have any problem having a 100% asian Canada. But everything else I kind of mind. And the thing is, I don't know why it is so and I don't know that I can come with a proper explanation for it. Not only this, but I'm not sure the Indian or African immigrant, even if we were to agree with me about the disadvantage of diversity, would then take on keenly to the idea that I'm not really interested in having people that look like him in my country, but that I'm totally fine with Asians for some reason.
It also makes a mockery of the notion that I want to preserve the historic make up of Canada, since I've just admitted that I wouldn't give a fuck were this country to become 100% asian. But this is insane.
>>80427359
>other ethnic groups joining
Unless they have an established history (hundreds of years) of peacefully living in and contributing to that country
>>80427026
>try and involve other cultures that have taken residency in your countries
It makes me think way too much of multiculti bullshit, but with no white guilt. De Gaulle said "You can integrate individuals, but you can't integrate a whole people". I think he is right. In France we have regional diversities and cultures which are all autochtone cultures, but I can understand in Canada it's different because former colony and "country of immigrants".
What about something more like a cooperation of nations ? Everybody in his country, and everybody is friend. Emphasize that everybody in his home is what would bring friendship between nations. Because when I see other nations entering en masse in my country, I don't feel any sympathy and I sure don't want to involve them in anything. I just want them back in their country, where they should be. I wouldn't mind people of european ancestry being given a right to return as they're not home in their immigrant state. But I guess here again we have very different opinion about this (I assume you think Canada is your home).
>>80391581
Ok Jamal back to Algeria
>>80428213
>Returning to mostly homogeneous nation states
That can be done. But there needs to be a very bloody inter-ethnic war in Europe as soon as possible
I would rather it not happen but it will if leftists keep pushing incompatible peoples together this much and this quickly
>>80428213
I was born in Canada so it is my home. 50 years ago I might have been born in Scotland or America.
Canada is weird because we do have a shit load of different cultures here, and we are all still pretty racist, but we don't act on that racism, its really difficult to wrap your head around, I've lived here 27 years and I still don't understand it.
its not like people here aren't unhappy and uncomfortable around others, theres plenty of that, but we just aren't violent I suppose you could say. even the immigrants that come here start saying "sorry" excessively, so its gotta have something to do with living here.
the one thing I will say thats awesome about Canadian multiculturalism is that we have everything open 24/7/365, when people are celebrating christmas we have asians that are all still working and keeping bars and convenience stores open, when the asians celebrate their holidays all the people who celebrated christmas are out working and keeping things open.
>>80427835
I would agree with you... but I don't mind race as long as it stays a minority.... I do mind it a lot when people of different races become a majority...
Even Asians are a problem because harper fucking brought to many...
And syrians and Indians are about to be the same if Trudeau keeps it up.
I personally have met a very nice African Christians fellow when I was in high school. The kid was anti degeneracy in all aspects. So he opened my eyes and showed me it that it also depends on how you are brought up.
What nationalists tend to forget and blame the media for is that they are the ones who have the most time with there kids... that's if mommy doesn't work.
I'm sorry but I must go to sleep as it is 4:06am here.
Out of curiosity what province are you from and if quebec did you go to an English school or French...
>>80428919
The fact that most of our immigrants were asian is no doubt one of the main factor which gives people the impression that Canada's multiculturalism is a success story. We wouldn't be saying the same crap with somalian and we won't be saying the same shit with the muslims. (I understand that Somalian are muslims.)
>>80429076
>>80429069
French. Quick question : what's your ideal ethnic makeup of Canada?
>>80429076
its not so much what cultures, because we have pretty much everyone here somewhere now, but we don't have anything in large numbers.
our country is the 2nd largest on the planet, and our population is only around 36-37 million. I believe there are more people in britain than all of canada, and you can fit britain in the lower half of british columbia. if canada had millions of immigrants I think tensions here would be a little higher.
>>80428891
It's like you think we have the choice. Internationalism will cause war. Look at what happens when countries aren't homogenous : wars, ethnical cleansing and all these horrors. Just look at the balkan, africa, all of these because our elders were stupid enough to believe they could draw borders arbitrarily without giving a shit about nations and people. It won't end up well. French intelligence services are talking of a pending civil war in France, just a symbolic attack (like a terrorist attacking kids in a school) could lead to it. This is very scary, shit is getting real.
>>80428919
Come home, white man.
>>80429076
The thing is you are still a majority of white people. What will happen to you when you're not ?
>>80391581
I think we need more than nationalism. We need to unite all white people under a single banner. We need a binding agent that prevents any more inter-white conflict and strengthens the white race.
We need to reclaim our history and our homelands from the scourge of the semites. Jew and Arab alike. We need to punish traitors and those wish our demise, with great zeal and with great fervor.
We need to create a new white religion that assures us our place in the cosmos while giving us the authority to dispose us of our enemies.
>>80429368
>I believe there are more people in britain than all of canada
Twice as much
>>80413001
ssshhhhhhhh
>>80429368
Most of our immigrants are Asians. Let's keep it that way please.
(I was borderline offended when Trudeay said he wanted his cabinet to "look like Canada" yet had to sikh and I don't think he had any asian.)
>>80429585
Je ne peux pas, jadore le Canada, ces bien trop bonne ici.
Art is stupid and overrated. The population doesn't want art. They want memes
>>80429855
Tu auras toujours un lit de prêt à la maison quand ils commenceront à vous persécuter. Promis.
>>80429585
>The thing is you are still a majority of white people. What will happen to you when you're not ?
Like if Asian were to become the majority? Better than any other ethnicity I can think of.
But Canada needs to have a fucking discussion about diversity and what they actually fucking want at an ethnic level. The western world in general needs to have that stupid conversation and reach a conclusion which I think a lot of people aren't gonna like, which is that diversity isn't that great in and of itself. It doesn't fucking do anything.
>>80429585
Here in Britain, they are already moving away from the source of the multicultural policies in Europe, the EU, so at least they have some outed for their frustrations
But there will be certain civil war on the Western part of the continent
Pray that the blood spilled will be what brings again a new time of prolonged peace
>>80430115
>*outlet
>>80429944
et tois aussi, calice les musulman
>>80429217
Majority European (but don't pride in European nations)
As in "don't say your scottish"... must say I'm canadian. (Never the less I would love them to keep there European culture and history, just want them to say they are canadian)
Minority of east Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean.
Minority of Africans
Minority of middle easterners (christians and other minority religions maybe if there are moderate Muslims)
Middle easterners exclude saudies, united Arab Emirates...
All minorities when accepted as citizens must be dispersed around the nation so that they don't form groups.
They must assimilate with canadian culture.
1st gen immigrants can't serve in the army or apply for prime minister.
Only children who are born on canadian soil may serve in the army
And I would rethink it but maybe 3rd gens can apply for political parties.
All immigrants are taken only if needed.
Must be fluent in English and French or must apply to a program for immediate learning of the language and history.
I think that's it
Are you in cegep, uni
>>80417263
Honestly, this argument is so retarded. Immigrants from shitholes outcompete natives because they are ready to work for peanuts and live in shit because it's still better than in their home shithole. Natives, on the other hand, want to get decent pay to live a decent life. Its not a competition of skill, it's a competition of cheapness.
>>80430421
How would you convince the average Canadian to keep to a ethnic European majority as a country?
Isn't it illegal to say so publicly? (hate-speech)
>>80430691
I understand that.... but it must take a retard to do your job is all I'm saying
>>80430421
>Must be fluent in English and French
this is one of the things that pisses me off about canada today, I don't live in quebec or ontario, im not french at all, but I still learned how to speak french, because its one of our national languages.
I see more shit here in vancouver with mandarin translations than french, and it kind of bothers me. my parents generation seem to have strong ties to where their heritage came from, and many of them identify as being european despite the fact that they were born here and have lived here their entire lives.
I have noticed with my generation, that we still embrace our cultural heritage, but identify as Canadians, and that makes me feel better about the lack of french speakers. most people in my generation can understand a bit of french and speak it very poorly, but it seems like the younger people currently in schools aren't learning it as much.
>>80430871
Only because you're lowering the standards of doing that job to "that of a retard"
>>80430421
I'm done with both. I'd like to know what "majority european" means to you. Toronto is 50% non white so I'm gonna guess that's a tad too much for you. So what's the proper level? 80% European? 70%?
There has to be a level in any case.
>>80430007
For me the discussion is just for countries like canada. For France, UK, Germany, etc... there is NO discussion. We are at home, period.
>>80430115
>But there will be certain civil war on the Western part of the continent
I agree. Even if it's not because of terrorism, the incoming currency crisis will lead to it : minorities are the biggest welfare recipient in comparatively to their proportion in population and when they'll be hungry and all because the state can't provide anymore, they'll just initiate ethnic war. They will unite against white population in Europe. It's even their strength, they have communities when we have become individualists and detached from our own communities. But I feel more and more white people are starting to turn to communautarism to in reaction. Western Europe societies are becoming polarized and it won't end well. And everybody will lose in the end because we will just end up with a ruined and destabilized europe. I'm so fucking scared, I want to have kids and it will be hard for them. Just thinking about it makes me very stressed. And for what reason ? So that companies can pressure on wages, so banks can make money on state debts, so the few mentally sick people who believe they have the moral high ground are satisfied of "doing the right thing" (welcoming all the misery in the world). This is not right and it sure won't end well.
>>80430881
You ARE europeans. White people come from europe. Autochtone in canada are native americans, not european born on their land.
>>80430998
>there is NO discussion
You'll need to convince your brethren is all I'm saying. Silence is status quo at this point.
>>80430998
>This is not right and it sure won't end well.
It may not be right, but it has to happen. You reap what you sow
Don't think for a second that we won't be seen in history (if there's gonna be an objective history afterwards) as people who have intentionally killed off our countries
All we can do now is pray. And ride it out
>>80430869
My parents at the age of 13 attempted to take me to lebanon to live there though I was born and raised in Canada I wanted to go back home (Canada) when they brought me there (lebanon)... though one thing I found interesting is that our teachers forced us to sing the lebanese national anthem every morning outside the school. It was an attempt to build love for the nation...
Today this is needed in canada. Schools must enforce a nationalistic sentiment...
As for the European majority... I guess you would need me to control the immigration law and center so I can let the majority in ....
But as I stated before immigrants are only taken when needed and so when they are needed and people apply . .. Europeans should have the upper hand as they manage higher IQ's (unless you compare with east asians.) and they already have leverage because they might already know the language and history...
>>80430871
I wasn't talking about myself. My point stands tho. Immigrants outcompete natives just because they are cheap and not because they are better workers. Now we have to ask the question, are we ready to pay more for some goods to not import aggressive shitskins which will replace us? My answer is yes.
>>80431663
>But as I stated before immigrants are only taken when needed
It has to be when they are needed AND WANTED. Otherwise it's kind of a no go.
>>80431250
>You'll need to convince your brethren is all I'm saying
This is the optimistic forecast. The more likely forecast is that reality will just catch up. It is already catching up.
What I meant is I don't want discussion about "what I want proportion of ethnicities in my country", I just want white people and a tiny, very tiny minority for the sake of diversity (I'd say 1% non european max).
>>80431556
I never reaped shit. I'm not talking about refugees or something, French problem is an older problem. It was decided for me before my birth. Refugees don't even want to come in France. Our muslim population immigrated 40 years ago. At least when we had colonies, they'd stay their.
