>THREAD THEME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmwqEg-06Ww
>THE MOTHER RETURNS - LEADSOM UNDER FIRE FROM THE PRO-MAY MEDIA FOR COMMENTS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT DURING HER TIMES INTERVIEW
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36752865
>ANGELA EAGLE: "C-CORBYN STOP!!! THAT'S IT, I W-WARNED YOU, NOW YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL THE WRATH OF THE BLAIRITES"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36752865
>UKIP LEADERSHIP CONTEST - BOOKIES' ODDS ARE ON IT BEING NUTTALL V WOOLFE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3674893/Ukip-deputy-leader-Paul-Nuttall-urges-party-away-fighting.html
>LIB DEM MEMBERSHIP 'SURGES' AFTER BUMBLASTED REMAINERS FLOCK TO THEM IN DROVES
http://leftfootforward.org/2016/07/lib-dems-hit-their-highest-membership-in-a-decade-why-are-thousands-signing-up/
>THE CHILCOTT REPORT - THE MAIN POINTS
http://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/chilcott-report---the-main-points
>THE MAD MULLAH PLANS TO RELEASE A FILM ABOUT TONY THE BLOOD GOD'S IRAQ SLAUGHTER
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jul/07/the-killing-of-tony-blair-review-george-galloway-chilcot-iraq
>PETER HITCHENS CONFIRMS ON GALLOWAY'S TALK RADIO THAT HE'S FOUND A PUBLISHER AND SIGNED A CONTRACT TO WRITE A NEW BOOK EXPLORING THE BRITISH NATIONAL POST-WWII MYTH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTE077cvPe8 [Embed]
>MENTAL MCDONNELL SEES THE GHOST OF THATCHER WHEN HE STARES DOWN INTO HIS TOILET BOWL
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/john-mcdonnell-remembers-lambeth-revolt/
>MORE FALSE FLAGGING IN POST-BREXIT BRITAIN AS LEFTY SLIME FAKE BNP LEAFLETS
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-36662887
>>80386427
How's your """currency""" doing lads?
Looks like we're getting Woolfe after all.
YKTD on suicide watch.
>>80386566
GAHHHHHH I'M FINE STOP ASKING
>>80386363
VERY GOOD WORDS MR TRIPFAG.
SHAME IT'S VERBATIM FROM PETER HITCHENS - Daily Mail7 Sep 2009
You really are a right PH cock sucker.
Anyone else feel like they've betrayed him?
He warned that the EU would make fascists but I just feel like it's too late not to lurch to the far right to fix this country.
Leadsom won, it's over
>>80386555
How are your banks doing?
>>80386660
for the guy that thinks /pol/ has done a u-turn on may.
Obligatory
If you're not a goyim GTFO now
Who should I vote for out of Woolfe, Carswell and Suzanne? I'm thinking Woolfe. Although the party is dead regardless of what happens.
Don't you
(Photo montage of Nuttall and Farage, back when UKIP was a vaguely conservative party)
Forget about me
>>80386634
die anti trident cuck
>>80386555
same as it ever was, prices of things havn't changed...
EVERYONE I DON'T LIKE IS A BLAIRITE AND A THATCHERITE LOL
MUH HITCHENS
I'VE BEEN POSTING HERE FOR 3 YEARS YOU KNOW
EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS SHITTY MEME I MADE IN MS PAINT, AREN'T I WITTY LOL
>>80386883
I thought you said you had to go work
>>80387126
die anti trident cuck
>>80386808
They were doing well until the Brexit, when our biggest bank lost 20% of its value because of all of its business in the City. May God have mercy on them when/if they actually trigger Art. 50 the absolute madmen.
They won't go bust again though. Probably. Hopefully. Please no.
>>80387015
Yet. You import most of your food and the value of the British local currency is moving quickly toward hitting parity with the euro.
>>80386998
It would do us no end of good to get rid of our Trident nuclear missiles. It is time we stopped pretending we were a great power.
I should say here that I was a keen supporter of our nuclear deterrent in the days when the communist Soviet Union menaced Western Europe with its enormous army.
That is exactly why I don’t support it now. We won that war, which was a colossal game of bluff. Modern Russia poses no military threat to us, and isn’t even very interested in us. Nor is China, which has plenty to occupy her in Asia.
The real danger to this country comes from our supposed friends in the European Union and the USA, who have successfully subjugated and bullied us without a shot being fired.
The EU makes our laws, plunders our territorial seas and decides our foreign policy. The USA compelled us to surrender to a gang of armed criminals operating from the Belfast back streets and the hedgerows of South Armagh.
We are forbidden by Brussels to control our own borders, opening them to destabilising mass immigration.
Meanwhile, our proper Armed Forces are sacked or scrapped – HMS Ark Royal lies this week, a sheer hulk, in a Turkish scrapyard with her innards on display.
What use is a fleet of four super-expensive submarines, crammed with missiles we could never use anyway and which we almost certainly don’t control, against any of the real threats to this country? Precisely none.
If North Korea or Iran ever do become nuclear powers (which is open to doubt), why should they bother with us, a third-rate country thousands of miles away? It is a delusion of grandeur to imagine that they care. All these futile rockets do is soothe us into a false sense of safety, and spare our national leaders from having to think about what they are really supposed to be defending.
Trident keeps us, government and people, from realising just how urgently we need to reform ourselves if we are even to survive as a country. Dump Trident, and face the truth.
*SHILLING INTENSIFIES*
>>80387126
Someone's booty blasted.
>>80386701
>>80387211
t. Hitchens
Reminder that we will still have freedom of movement and we will still have to comply with all of the EU's directives, regulations, and decisions.
>>80387176
Sorry to tell you that deutsche bank is gonna fuck us all paddy.
>>80387253
Dirty cucky bastard, I can't believe he actually managed to take over the party
>>80387176
yet a £10 note is still worth £10
the living costs are the same, a loaf of bread still costs the same as it did, a £6 steak still costs £6
>>80387211
Why do you copy and paste Peter Hitchens articles and post them as though they are your words?
>>80387399
Yktd is hitchens
>>80387399
see >>80387262
I forget sometimes that this place is so full of newfags that they don't realise it's his style of writing straight away and that I have to explain that I'm quoting an article rather than writing out an essay myself in response to a shitpost
>>80387399
He's never pretended they are his words - often he credits Hitchens.
>>80387345
It's really fucking enraging. I really want to know what they've done to make Nuttall step down. Clearly the rabbit hole goes deeper than we thought.
>>80387305
who the fuck fucks a prostitute bareback?
>>80387513
>I forget sometimes that this place is so full of newfags
You have not been here longer than early 2014, don't give me that shit sonny.
>>80386427
>>80387126
You make a good point... HOWEVER....
Tripfag
>get in bed and lets make Britain great again anon
>>80387305
Not if the Tories ever want to win an election ever again.
The EU won't exist 10 years from now. Maybe we can go back to a continental EFTA agreement and abandon ridiculous notions of a superstate like sensible people.
>>80387333
Nice trips.
All of this is going to fuck us all. You maniacs have managed to fuck the entire western world with your Daily Mail-grade bullshit. I'd almost be impressed if this mess didn't cost me my annual bonus.
>>80387382
>yet a £10 note is still worth £10
>being this economically illiterate
A £10 is now worth €11.72, where it was worth €13.10 before Brexit. There's a decent chance it'll hit parity, i.e. £10 = €10, within the year.
You import a lot of your food from Europe (us in particular). Your local currency won't be able to buy as much of that as its value has fallen, in other words your food prices (among many, many other things) will go up.
>>80387211
>It is time we stopped pretending we were a great power.
stopped reading there. anti nationlist ,anti british defeatist scum
die blairite cuck
die die die die die
>>80386427
Italy getting all stroppy
>>80387545
real niggas thats who
>>80387382
>yet a £10 note is still worth £10
shiiet son, i hope most of the ~united~ kingdom doesn't think their own currency is the only indication of wealth.
>>80386555
On its way to recovery.
>>80387543
I assume all will be revealed in the coming weeks, but yeah, UKIP is now officially fucked and infiltrated to the very top
Imagine joining UKIP in 2004 and helping mould it into the force it is today from almost nothing, only for a bunch of random fuckers who only joined in the last few years to swoop in, take over and strip it bare so that all that's left is a shitty pale version of the Tories with a dash of Cuckswell's libertarian appealing to the yoof thrown in, it's a fucking disgrace
>>80387615
Compared to those who only came here for the referendum, yes it is
HAVE I MENTIONED HOW EVERYONE ELSE IS A NEWFAG? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THREE YEARS
HERE, LOOK AT THIS SHITTY INFOGRAPHIC THAT I'VE POSTED 62916 TIMES BEFORE BECAUSE I'M A TRUE INTELLECTUAL
>>80386555
Probably better than your """country""".
>>80387834
>die die die die die
Meme magic is getting out of hand guys
>>80387980
But it is, my currency in my bank is my wealth and it will not and has not changed because the £ has weakened to the euro, and it will never change.
Hitchens is no different from Jo Cox
they are both traitors who hate this country
>>80387997
That's one hell of a recovery m80
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR&view=1M
>she died for nothing
>>80388032
Is Arron Banks a cuck? I heard he might be starting a new party.
>>80387834
I'm with this guy. Next that fag will be saying you cant use your military because reasons and you should be rid of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcxEscMd5OQ
>>80388184
i hope hitchens and anyone who opposes trident is next
>>80388065
My country has a long-term future, possibly one where we gain a significant amount of territory. Your country isn't likely to see 2030 intact :^)
>>80386555
At least we have our own currency you fucking cuck.
>>80386427
>UKIP LEADERSHIP CONTEST - BOOKIES' ODDS ARE ON IT BEING NUTTALL V WOOLFE
NUTTALL KILL THAT JEW
>>80386555
great if you export goods like i do, im having it right off at the moment
>>80388187
Seems good enough to me
>>80388412
The OP didn't replace the title, he's already dropped out of the leadership contest, it's over
>>80388184
lol I legit had to take a second to remember who she was just then.
>>80388177
It sure is.
>>80388340
You aint getting that NI referendum, Seamus, you can get that out of your mind right now.
Btw what does the tripfag have against Woolfe? I alays thought Woolfe and Nuttall were just younger versions of Farage.
>>80388115
and in Ethiopia 10000 Birr is worth 10000 Birr. you set the bar very low if the only currency you're comparing with is your own.
"i'm the richest person i know... i have no friends but i'm still the richest"
>>80388032
It seems as if our last hope is for Reckless to stand as leader, which is unlikely. The wrong MP lost his seat.
>mfw Leadsom basically said "THERESA MAY IS FUCKIN BARREN LOL" but in really nice wording
>>80388503
>>80388187
Always a heartstopping moment when it fucks up and posts the wrong picture
Kekking at the thought of whoever was supposed to post this accidentally posting a picture of Arron Banks BTFOing Carswell instead
>>80388662
Absolutely
>>80388595
Woolfe is nothing like Farage
The pound needed a drop, get shot of some of the banking, make our industries competitive.
No important country ever relied on services.
Hitchens and anyone who spouts defeatist rhetoric shold be shot by firing squad.
our enemies dont give up. they dont believe they can lose. neither should we.
it should be a crime to doubt your country.
"I fight for freedom. Mine, and everyone's. I fight for the right to choose our own fate. And if I die, I'll die knowing that I did everything I could to stop you. And I'll die free."
Hitchenite is now a term synonomous with defeatist cowards who dont want to fight.
>>80388503
You got a link?
>>80388115
but the cost of french wine, Spanish sausage and Italian olives will go up. The pound is worth less in comparison to the euro so in a few months the cost will go up to compensate. Unless you only buy British products made in Britain your pound wont buy as much as it did a few weeks prior to brexit.
Yes £10 is still £10, but once trade adjusts to chances of currency value £10 will only buy you one litre of wine rather than the 1.3 litres of wine before Brexit.
>>80388385
You have a shitty little local currency that's about to go the way of the Zimbabwean Dollar, I wouldn't be too proud of it lad.
>>80388445
True, and that would be great if you had an economy like Germany's - but what does England make that the rest of the world wants? Its manufacturing sector is dead, thanks to Maggie.
Services from the City I suppose? How will they cope without access to the Single Market, even with a weak pound?
The ironic thing is that if you fellas didn't go full liberal in the 80's and if you joined the euro, you could've had an economy as rock solid as Germoney's. The bigger economies benefited hugely from the artificially weak euro, it was the smaller economies - the PIIGS - that got fucked by a currency too strong for them.
>>80388595
>Btw what does the tripfag have against Woolfe?
Blairite . ..blah . .blah . . .blah Blairite.
Tripfag may be more coherent when Peter Hitchens publishes his column for the Mail on Sunday.
Without PH - Trifag can't talk.
>>80388784
What does he think? i cba to look him up and im sure you can greentext his beliefes in a few lines.
>>80388816
http://order-order.com/2016/07/09/nuttall-pulls-ukip-leadership/
Can also just google "Paul Nuttall"
>>80388810
>HITCHENS IS NOW BANNED BECAUSE I DECREE IT
Top kek you fucking sperg
>>80388890
>. ..blah . .blah . . .
>>80388856
You have the euro mr potato. Plz desist in posting.
>>80388810
hitchens is a trotskyist cuck LARPing as a conservative curmudgeon
embarrassing that people can't see this desu
The EU is an experiment that is doomed to fail.
It was all designed to lead us into a one world government.
If you think the EU is corrupt and unaccountable imagine how bad a One World Government will be? Especially when you bring all the Afriacn and Middle Eastern countries into the equation.
The best news i heard in ages was the IMF today saying the Euro is on the verge of collapse. This will bring about the immediate demise of the EU and we can all go back to a trading block instead of some mad superstate which is what it has clandestinely become.
>>80388340
> Your country isn't likely to see 2030 intact
Our future is bright. This is all about short term pain for long term gain. We were all prepared to suffer the short term consequences. The EU has been one failure after another, I don't know where you get the idea that they're on the verge of finally getting it right.
>>80388784
So maybe all the right people are going to abandon UKIP and reform into a new party to take things forward now the EU argument has been won. The brand is a bit toxic and it's been infiltrated with stroke victims like Carswell.
>>80388918
>Economically liberal, socially conservative to an extent
>Has loadsamoney
>Hates the social liberals in UKIP and has attacked them / supported candidates against them in the past
>Has considered funding a "Right-wing Momentum" to take back control of the Tories
>Is considering starting his own party now that UKIP is toppled
>Strongly supports grammar schools and educational reform
There isn't much else known about him, he's not a very public figure. Absolute madman though, he donated £100,000 to UKIP once and when some Tory MP said he'd never heard of him he upped it to £1M
>I'm sick of tripfags ruining these threads
>I'll remedy this by making absolutely sure every single thread is exclusively about them and how much I hate them
>>80388964
How many times have you been wrong again?
>>80388922
Fuck.
>>80388922
hitchenite.
go give up somewhere else. pathetic little loser with no hope or faith.
Peter may as well be an athiest for his lack of fucking faith and nihilism.
its clear you have an infatuation with him. so you rush to defend him.
hes an overweight pathetic defeatist. like you.
next time there is an election. dont vote. not like you care what happens to this country.
>>80389000
this
Andrea Leadsom is such a noob; she's already fucking up her own campaign
Theresa May can literally sit back and just let Leadsom commit political suicide simply by opening her mouth. It's pathetic.
Should've backed Gove
>>80389187
He seems alright then, could be worse.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>80386427
When do we find out who won the PM seat?
>>80389187
die defeatist hitchenite.
ill be laughing the day your stupid idol is dead.
he will get spot right next to jo cox. traitor.
>>80388194
>Meshuggah
Based taste anon
>>80388810
Hitchenite. I like that.
>>80388856
>hes actually proud of using the euro
hahhahahahahhah
>>80389396
Paid off
>>80389396
you fooled me, lad
>>80389328
It's infuriating how Theresa May managed to become frontrunner in the leadership election just by being quiet and not campaigning for Remain, and is still winning even now just by not saying anything
>>80389396
Faaake
>>80389396
fake
>>80389396
Made me check.
Fucker
>>80389396
>>80388810
>Hitchens
I thought he died?
>>80389466
>hitchenite.
You gets upboat anon
>>80389595
If only we were so lucky.
>President Obama said it was in no one's interest for talks on Brexit to be drawn out or difficult.
Based Obama.
>>80389477
I've literally just rec'd this to one of my mates 5 minutes ago, that's too much of a coincidence. First initial?
>>80387476
>WE ARE THE 48%
>Literally implying the minority should be the majority
>>80389667
>Based Obama
>Whereas a few weeks ago he said we'd be at the "back of the queue" for trade talks
>>80389396
>>80389787
You can't blame the guy for shilling for America's interests, can you? It was in America's interest to have a reliable ally inside the EU.
>>80388856
You're as relevant as Belgium is without Brussels.
>bait harder faggot
>>80389525
Somebody (I can't remember who) mentioned how May was being quiet so she could become the next leader during the referendum. It's a shame that it's worked.
>>80389906
This is untrue and inflammatory, get rid of this picture thanks xx
anyone in south london fancy a pint?
>>80387211
oh fuck off and join green peace you twat
>>80390036
Get off the proxy Obama you're not fooling anyone
>>80390036
Germany has been that ally for years, he can spend his time bullshitting them
>>80390170
i know that you love theresa.
she gives you an excuse to continue your hitchenite rhetoric and retreat back into your hole of defeatism.
you want her to win so you can give in to despair. because its all you know. losing. you wouldent know what to do if you won anything.
not a shred of hope. a ounce of belief or fire.
you're already dead.
Hitchenite scum.
>>80390237
im in chislehurst, se9 starts at the top of my road
>>80390510
this desu
>>80390274
Like most of his stuff, it's copy and paste from Peter Hitchens blogs.
He's been rumbled for it many times.
>>80390510
I was here when we won the EU Elections, Clacton and Rochester though, unlike you
>>80388540
>crops out all details
That could be the yen's value against the fucking zloty over the last hour from all we can glean from that chart.
Try posting GBP/EUR chart for the last month.
>>80388595
You're obliged to under the Good Friday Agreement, Ahmed. Unless of course you want to see Gerry "where is she buried" Adams planting bombs in Canary Wharf again.
Tbh I don't know why you're so keen to hang on to them. You shit your pants and left the EU over £10bn per year. Northern Ireland costs you £11bn per year with half the population actively hating you and the other half being absolute welfare parasites.
>>80388975
That is rapidly gaining on the pound.
>>80389503
I never said that. I said we got fucked by deficiencies in its architecture. I pointed out that a big economy like Britain would've gained from it just like Germoney and France did.
Not like your average Brit can into economics anyway, so I'll give you a pass for it sailing over your head.
>>80389137
Scotland's leaving no matter what at this stage lad, and I don't blame them.
If you understood international trade, you'd understand that a free trade deal with China and India would absolutely banjax the UK. The UK vetoing EU tariffs on cheap Chinese steel flooding the EU market was what fucked Port Talbot.
That's leaving aside the fact you're decades away from getting trade agreements with a decent number of those countries and half your current trade is with Europe.
>I don't know where you get the idea that they're on the verge of finally getting it right.
Wasn't talking about the EU, I was talking about my country. The jury's out on the EU "getting it right", but too many countries have too much at stake in it for it to collapse entirely. You guys were already half out the door with your rebate, your local currency, your billions of opt outs from everything.
>>80390349
Not him but that's still done my head in slightly, what are the odds. Based taste though m9
>>80387211
>get rid of our Trident
Filtered, don't know why I didn't do it sooner
>>80390578
cheers for that senpai but i dont think either of us wants an hour+ in the train for a pint
chislehurst looks comfy tho
>>80386427
Let's get some fucking things straight here:
>Farage was not part of the Vote Leave campaign. This is a lie spread by the media to trick the idiot Remainers into thinking he is the enemy.
>Farage did not make a promise of £350 mil a week to the NHS. The Vote Leave campaign said that £350 mil a week would be better spent on the NHS, which was nothing to do with Farage (see above point).
>Farage was not in any position of authority as leader of UKIP. He has about as much say on how the country is run as Tim Farron, which is to say fuck all.
>Farage is not running away from anything. Even if he stayed, he is not in a position to lead the country (see point above). He is not part of the Tory party. In fact, once we have finally left the EU, he won't have any job at all, so he's doing a good thing by hanging up his cape.
>The FTSE 100 is not in a bad position. It is actually the highest it has ever been in the last 6 months.
>The value of GBP is not an issue, as prices have not changed for UK citizens within the UK. The only issue might come when trading, but even then it doesn't matter. All it does is divert attention away from trading with other nations and getting back to doing things ourselves, which increases jobs, and makes for a more stable economy.
>We are not fucked with trading. The EU is not stupid enough to refuse agreeable trade terms with us, as they need us to buy from them. They don't want us to look elsewhere, so there will be no issue.
>A number of other rich nations in the EU are also looking to jump ship. When that happens, the UK will be waiting with open arms to set up the same trade deals with them as before, but without the political submission required. Germany will sink as all its allies leave it with nothing but the poor nations who leech from it. Germany will implode under the fall of the EU and the horde of shitskins being welcomed in.
>Look for WW3 in the next couple of decades (see above point)
>>80390715
When did you first start posting anyway? First time I recognised you was in the run up to the European elections.
>>80390125
It was common knowledge that she was laying low on purpose
Thankfully the Conservative party members will have more mixed opinions compared to the MP's - They also comprise a majority of Leavers which should favour Leadsom
>>80390854
The spring of 2014, I took on a tripcode like most other people after the whole South Wales thing where people used them to prove that they weren't South Wales shitposting in disguise
>>80390113
An irrelevant little backwater that stole all your tech jobs and is about to steal your City jobs :^)
>>80390725
Keep fighting the good fight <3
>>80390779
its a lovely village, great pubs and restaurats
>>80390854
That's when he came back from cripplechan, he was shilling for Remain but changed his mind when Peter Hitchens did.
He has been on /pol/ no longer than 30 months.(that includes his time at cripplechan.
Lads is there hope? Please tell me that there is hope. I don't want to lose my country, but I am utterly convinced that our ancient culture, insitustions and way of life will be taken from us within at least 50 years.
>>80390715
not an argument.
and besides i saw you. not one shred of happiness. because you wanted remain to win. you predicted remain to win. because that is what you WANTED
you didnt want farage to win the EU election either
dont act like you have ever wanted victory. your actions betray your true desire.
and now your angry because ive pulled back the true intent of your and your geriatric pessimist scum master.
>>80387794
>he thinks the euro is going to last until next year
Very funny padraig, your shitty currency is going to collapse completely within a year and bring you all down with it
We have found the perfect way to exact revenge on the continent for sinking our empire, you deserve this you JF faggots
>>80390510
Hitchens never wants to win anything because his entire schtick is based on being a stodgy conservative who's out of touch with the modern world. Literally his whole persona is built on his self pitying, woe-is-me rhetoric, without that he'd be nothing.
>>80391054
Mate, he never went to Cripplechan and I know it. I've seen him talk against Cripplechan both before everybody went there and after. One autist started posting on Cripplechan pretending to be YKTD but that's it.
>>80391073
He doesn't like trump either
>>80391073
>you didnt want farage to win the EU election either
Wholly untrue, go to the 4plebs archives and prove it if you're so sure
>>80391054
I was never on Pedochan and believing that Remain was going to win isn't the same as supporting them, I didn't change my mind when Peter Hitchens did either. Hitchens said that he was wrong and that Leave would win about a fortnight before the referendum, I kept on believing that Remain would win until I was thankfully proved wrong
For tripfag haters you're certainly going to great lengths to make the thread all about me
>>80390982
>>80390724
>That is rapidly gaining on the pound.
Because of Brexit scaremongering.
The Euro is a basket case of a currency for some tangible reasons.
>>80391200
>Mate, he never went to Cripplechan and I know it. I've seen him talk against Cripplechan both before everybody went there and after. One autist started posting on Cripplechan pretending to be YKTD but that's it.
BRILLIANT - I WAS WAITING FOR THIS.
Tripfag always uses something else to back him up.
I think he posts with his laptop and uses his mobile phone (with another ID) to back him up.
It's as regular as clockwork . .. don't think we haven't noticed.
>>80390724
Not even NI likes ireland m8
>>80390413
Kek. America has been spying on Merkel for a decade.
Although Defeatism has been an item in the Briton's vocabulary for more than sixteen years, we do not remember having met, even once, with its antithesis " Victorism," a word which would express both the determination to win and the confidence that victory will be achieved. Why is this ? At one time, Victorism would have been the easier coin to mint and to utter ; but at present the poltroon temper once known in Russia as " Tchekovism," or the Cult of Failure, dominates our rising generation ; and Defeatism is its inevitable expression.
Over-confidence is a grave evil ; but Defeatism is a graver. To be prepared for hard knocks and for set-backs is common sense ; but to believe in the certainty of failure is a recantation of our Christian faith. Only Victorism is a worthy temper for the Catholic Church.
Victorism must not be confused with easygoing Optimism. Such Optimism is usually nega tive. "Don't worry" and "we shall muddle through" are its catchwords. Victorism, on the contrary, is not only a mood of lively faith but a tense of vigilance and energy. It does not muddle but win through.
It follows that the Defeatist is a soldier marching with a Conquering King for leader and with disaster and failure for carking thoughts. His pusillanimous unbelief cannot rob the King of the final triumph ; but it can dilute the army's will-to-win, chill its ardours, enfeeble its morale, and conduce to one or more of those set-backs which we have already mentioned. So let this devil be cast out. The spirit of Victorism is a mightier spirit : and when Victorism is made welcome at the door Defeatism will fly out through the first cranny it can find.
>>80391251
there is a difference between what you say and what you want.
you never visualised victory. you've never known hope.
kill yourrself now. we dont need you.
>>80390724
>Scotland's leaving no matter what at this stage lad, and I don't blame them.
Polls show they don't even want another referendum. The economic case is even worse for them now and they can't retain UK membership, which means a whole new application with all the shit we're currently exempt from.
> That's leaving aside the fact you're decades away from getting trade agreements with a decent number of those countries and half your current trade is with Europe.
Less than half and falling by the year. Inside the EU we were completely unable to take advantage of more important markets to us, on terms suitable to just us and the other country, because they insist on dictating blanket trade policy all 28 states have to agree to. I'm amazed they get anything done at all, and judging by another setback to the Canadian deal, they don't.
> Wasn't talking about the EU, I was talking about my country.
When the eurozone inevitably collapses I have a feeling a lot of you paddies will be taking advantage of our common travel area.
>>80391251
Why do you keep the trip? You get nothing but abuse, you might as well ditch it and be anonymous like evrryone else here, works out better for everybody.
>>80391877
Even when he's not tripping he just posts the same shit over and over again.
>>80391877
I actually did that for a while - It doesn't stop the autists from frothing at the mouth and screaming "YKTD!" as soon as they see a reaction image that they recognise as mine, or an opinion posted that Peter Hitchens happens to share. I've had worse from back before these people were even on /pol/, don't worry
>>80391060
There's hope m8
EVERY politician that matters, particularly all Conservatives and prospective leaders, every single one says that the Referendum result will be honoured and we WILL Brexit
Take joy from the fact that we won. The overwhelming odds were stacked against us, but the people won.
The future looks bright
If only Nige, if only.
https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/751846495117279236
In reality we have a bunch of cucks, nu-males, and tumblr whales having a picnic.
>>80390724
The half that hate them are the half that're the welfare parasites
>>80390724
>Scotland's leaving no matter what at this stage lad, and I don't blame them.
Not even slightly. Scotland wanted to stay in the EU, true. But they don't want to be a part of the EU alone. They'd end up like Greece with the rest of the UK, and they know it.
kek has this been posted yet? based leadsom truly /pol/s pm
>>80387476
The "I like democracy but only when it goes my way" meme
>>80392259
*without
>>80392089
"It follows that the Defeatist is a soldier marching with a Conquering King for leader and with disaster and failure for carking thoughts. His pusillanimous unbelief cannot rob the King of the final triumph ; but it can dilute the army's will-to-win, chill its ardours, enfeeble its morale, and conduce to one or more of those set-backs which we have already mentioned. So let this devil be cast out. The spirit of Victorism is a mightier spirit : and when Victorism is made welcome at the door Defeatism will fly out through the first cranny it can find."
its not about you being a tripfag. its about you being a defeatist shill. Hitchenite scum like you are not welcome here.
you cant bear to hear these words. because they speak the truth.
You and Hitchens are enemies and no different than any remainer or leftist.
Hitchens is no Christian.
Stop talking shit you fucking dull cunt. The English could nuke Edinburgh and massacre the Jocks but they would STILL vote to stay in the EU. Really want to snap your runt neck t b h.
>>80391522
Funny.
>>80390982
You know that's all disappearing when your tax laws are fixed right?
How do you deal with the fact that voting for "freedom" got you an unelected prime minister?
>>80387211
Well if we got rid of it we'd almost certainly lose our seat in the security council and relegate ourselves to "3rd rate." I do agree that if we're to have a nuclear program, nobody else should have influence over it though.
>>80392404
>Hitchens is no Christian
Right, he's actually a Remain shill possessed by the ghost of his brother
Hobbit on ITV starting now
>>80392404
Oh shut the fuck up you dull cunt.
>>80392618
we never vote for prime ministers only parties, this is well understood by the electorate
>>80392618
We don't have a presidential system. I got over this after Gordon Brown.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36753769
> [Corbyn] added that he had been asked how he was coping with the pressure on him, and had replied "there is no pressure on me".
> "The real pressure is when you don't have enough money to feed your kids, when you don't have a roof over your head, when you're wondering if you're going to be cared for," he said.
J-man keepin' it real
>>80392666
a spirit of Defeatism possessed the disciples of the Lord ; and they can hardly be blamed for surrendering to it. Unlike ourselves, who gaze at the stark height of Calvary across the Easter flowers Of ARIMATHEAN JOSEPH'S garden, the first Christians saw the Crucifixion all by its terrible self. Their dying Master's " It is finished" did not mean to their ears the Consummation of a sacrifice which had to be completed unto the shedding of blood. It meant the shattering of a dream, the mocking of a hope, the End. Nowhere in sophisticated literature do we find words more sad than those of the Emmaus disciples : "We hoped that it was He who should have redeemed Israel."
But let it be carefully noted that He who "did not give His Holy One to see corruption," did not suffer the disciples to remain in the chill shadow of Defeatism long enough to be vitiated by it. Familiar as we are with the words "the third day He rose again from the dead," we can easily forget that less than two whole days intervened between the Crucifixion and the Resurrection. Black despair was allowed to coagulate only just long enough to make a firm background of gloom for "the Brightness of His Rising."
Christians of today have no excuse for even thirty-six hours or thirty-six seconds of Defeatism ; because we know that "CHRIST dieth no more," and ever liveth at the right hand of God. The thought of Agnus Dei as CHRISTUS REX and as CHRISTUS VICTOR is the supreme thought of Easter. To-morrow's Victimce Paschall, most wonderful of the Roman Missal's few remaining sequences, will end with the exultant outburst : Scimus Christum surrexisse a mortuis vere ; Tu nobis Victor Rex Miserere "We know that Christ is risen from the dead indeed ! Have mercy on us, thou Conqueror King ! "
he is a defeatist. therefore not christian.
>>80392346
All of my this.
>>80392749
hitchenite scum.
go lose something so you can say "look guys i told you i would lose!"
brit/pol/ BTFO
>>80392404
Mate read this post >>80391522
And then click on the ID of this poster >>80392749
It will highlight his comments . . .take a look . . .go on - look at them.
>>80391339
The irony of that coming from a Brit!
>>80391165
>THIS IS WHAT LITTLE ENGLANDERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
>>80391362
>Britain votes to cut itself off from a market of 500m people and half its trade
>scaremongering
Sorry m8, "Project Fear" has come true and you haven't gone 1% of the journey you need to make to get yourselves back to where you were on the 22nd of June.
>>80391632
Everyone likes us. We even got a medal from the mayor of Paris because we're so sound.
>>80391818
>which means a whole new application with all the shit we're currently exempt from.
They already meet all EU standards as they've been part of the EU for over 40 years. If the Union doesn't make an exception for them, their application process won't be long anyway.
You're also presuming they want out of all the shit that England wanted out of. They're much more pro-EU than you guys were.
>Less than half and falling by the year. Inside the EU we were completely unable to take advantage of more important markets to us, on terms suitable to just us and the other country, because they insist on dictating blanket trade policy all 28 states have to agree to.
If you actually thought for a second, you'd realise that each country deciding to act on their own would undermine the other 27, who would then each try to undercut each other with extra-EU trade deals. That undermines the whole Single Market.
The alternative to the EU countries getting together and making a single set of rules for each other is each of the 28 of them each having 28 trade different trade deals with all of the would be EU, and having to make sure they're all compatible with one another so there's not a shit tonne of paperwork for goods and services travelling between more than two countries. It would be a bureaucratic nightmare.
>>80392259
Or like Denmark or us, countries with populations of ~5m and in the top 10 in the world for HDI :^)
>>80392690
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory was on ITV3 earlier, comfy little film from back when parental authority was still respected
>>80392618
Freedom and democracy aren't the same thing
>>80392629
Are NATO and the UN really that important? NATO fulfilled its purpose and should have been disbanded decades ago and the UN is just another global power trying to force other countries to do its bidding much like the EU
I really don't see how "B-but we'll lose our special place on the special dick-comparing council for countries that have special nukes!" is an argument
>>80392912
Will of iron fair play to the guy
>>80393039
>. . .take a look . . .
>>80392346
Seen journalists on Twitter crying about this. Fuck, I hate journalists.
>>80392565
We already closed the Double Irish/Dutch Sandwich loophole, so it's already "fixed". Tech and pharma jobs are all still here and still expanding.
>>80393039
showing his true colours. the Hitchenite makes it too easy
>>80393154
a spirit of Defeatism possessed the disciples of the Lord ; and they can hardly be blamed for surrendering to it. Unlike ourselves, who gaze at the stark height of Calvary across the Easter flowers Of ARIMATHEAN JOSEPH'S garden, the first Christians saw the Crucifixion all by its terrible self. Their dying Master's " It is finished" did not mean to their ears the Consummation of a sacrifice which had to be completed unto the shedding of blood. It meant the shattering of a dream, the mocking of a hope, the End. Nowhere in sophisticated literature do we find words more sad than those of the Emmaus disciples : "We hoped that it was He who should have redeemed Israel."
But let it be carefully noted that He who "did not give His Holy One to see corruption," did not suffer the disciples to remain in the chill shadow of Defeatism long enough to be vitiated by it. Familiar as we are with the words "the third day He rose again from the dead," we can easily forget that less than two whole days intervened between the Crucifixion and the Resurrection. Black despair was allowed to coagulate only just long enough to make a firm background of gloom for "the Brightness of His Rising."
Christians of today have no excuse for even thirty-six hours or thirty-six seconds of Defeatism ; because we know that "CHRIST dieth no more," and ever liveth at the right hand of God. The thought of Agnus Dei as CHRISTUS REX and as CHRISTUS VICTOR is the supreme thought of Easter. To-morrow's Victimce Paschall, most wonderful of the Roman Missal's few remaining sequences, will end with the exultant outburst : Scimus Christum surrexisse a mortuis vere ; Tu nobis Victor Rex Miserere "We know that Christ is risen from the dead indeed ! Have mercy on us, thou Conqueror King ! "
>>80392346
i would vote for her just based on that one sentence
>>80392912
ABSOLUTE
MADMAN
>>80387476
In reality it was less than 48%
If you take out the bias from Scotland, Gibralter and London etc. it was more like 45/55
>Letting a suspended member of the party stand for leader makes UKIP a credible party
>>80393252
>Tech jobs
You mean call centres?
Ireland superpower by 2020
>>80393039
You've caught me, I'm actually YKTD on mobile data.
>>80393009
>we live in a parliamentary democracy
>that system didn't deliver things I wanted
>so it's OK to use that system to overturn a decision taken by other democratic means
For the love of God
>>80393307
I'm proud to be a Hitchenite.
Why... are tripfags still here?
>>80393045
> You're also presuming they want out of all the shit that England wanted out of. They're much more pro-EU than you guys were.
Fair point, they are, but your certainty about this is pretty unfounded. You should know by now that the freedom retards are a loud minority. The polling doesn't support a new independence referendum, there's not even any real pressure on Westminster to let them have one outside of SNP asshurt.
Project fear would have renewed strength with the oil price collapse, and Spain is as adamant as ever about vetoing them.
> If you actually thought for a second, you'd realise that each country deciding to act on their own would undermine the other 27
We managed this fine with EFTA, a much more sensible arrangement than merging into a superstate.
Business idea:
Parody of remainers using this kid, with lines including:
>We're a parliamentary democracy.
>The leave campaign lied.
>The referendum was only advisory.
>>80393508
The shilling begins.
Lads she gets more based all the time.
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_5780f9eee4b074297db31b28?edition=uk&ncid=fcbklnkukhpmg00000001
Huffpost link because salt is tasty.
>>80393045
>thinking Ireland is doing well
>using a meme face
It's like you're going out of your way to act like a dickhead.
https://twitter.com/spectator/status/751418227071209473
In case anyone actually doubted that Hannan was a cuck
>>80389595
That was his brother Chris Hitchens, the based atheist pisshead.
Shame it wasn't the other way round.
>>80393664
thats your second device YKTD. its quite obvious.
>proud to be a hitchenite
good. then that means you wont put up a fight when your killed by Victorists. why would you? you know you would lose.
>>80389137
Yes, I've also been saying that Brexit is about short-term pain for long-term gain.
Daily reminder that there should be a Commonwealth Free Trade Union AND an Anglosphere Free Trade Union. The EU's GDP is about 18 trillion US dollars. The Commonwealth's GDP is about 10 trillion US dollars, which would make it the world's second largest economy. And even the smaller Anglosphere (which consists of the UK, Ireland, the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) would have a GDP of almost 24 trillion US dollars. BOTH of those unions would have a GDP that is higher than that of the EU, so creating those unions would be a PERFECT "Fuck you!" to the EU.
Will leadsom regulate the banks?
>>80393884
they are both athiests
Peter just pretends to be a christian. yet has no faith.
see >>80392932
>>80393903
See: >>80393582
>>80393508
#RaheemForLeader
>>80393737
How does this make me money?
>>80393807
Actually think that was a good move by him. We need to negotiate with the EU next, and nobody has anything against cooperation with them for mutual benefit.
>>80394067
admitting it ironically is also a ploy i can see through.
a reverse "the lady doth protest too much"
nice try YKTD.
>>80393904
>Anglosphere (which consists of the UK, Ireland, the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand
Please do not let the usa join the anglosphere because if they go down you will also go down. Instead you anglo countries should be self sufficient from the eu and america
>>80393884
How was Christopher in any way based? He was a Marxist all his life, including in his later years. His last words were "capitalism, downfall" and he continued to describe himself as Marxist. He was in no way "based".
>>80389663
>>80393884
>Wishing people dead
nice
>>80394086
Yeah, what the white working class up North really need is for a teenage Paki to be going around screaming READ FUCKING BREITBART BUY MY NIGEL FARAGE T-SHIRTS PLEASE I HAVE A FAMILY TO FEED LEGALISE FIREARMS
>>80393921
>Will leadsom regulate the banks?
Afters years of Labour letting them run riot, the Tories have reigned them in. The Banks are really George Osbourns job.
>>80394325
hello YKTD
>>80387791
I like how the results of EU referendum clearly show the poshest part of the country. There is a blatant posh belt from the cotswolds to London via Oxford and then on to Brighton and Cambridge.
Then the area to the east of the capital where most of the whites fled to following mass immigration is the dark blue leavers.
>>80393530
That's Norn Iron. We have Intel chip factories, the EMEA headquarters of Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Dropbox, Apple and a rake of others. Sure 25% of Apple's global workforce is here. The pharma stuff we have here are factories, not sure if the admin stuff is here at all.
>>80393677
>Fair point, they are, but your certainty about this is pretty unfounded.
I'm not certain, but all talk about the future is inherently about probabilities.
>The polling doesn't support a new independence referendum
Doesn't the most recent poll have a majority supporting independence?
Really what'll depend on is how the EU exit goes. If you simply move into the EEA then not much will change - i.e. access to the Single Market will still be there, EU law will still apply etc. If you move to WTO rules and fuck your economy over, then Scotland will most likely leave.
>Spain is as adamant as ever about vetoing them.
No it's not. They've said on several occasions they wouldn't veto a Scottish application if they legally secede from the UK.
What they want to prevent is Catalunya or the Basque country unilaterally seceding without consequences. Scotland consensually seceding from the UK is different.
>We managed this fine with EFTA, a much more sensible arrangement than merging into a superstate.
No you didn't. You only set that up because De Gaulle vetoed your application to the EEC. Then your economy collapsed, the IMF came in and bailed you out and then you begged the French to drop their veto and let you into the EEC, which they stupidly did. You've been whining about fictitious notions of "superstate" ever since.
Jesus thinking about all that makes me glad you're finally fucking off.
>>80394086
Never thought of it this way... Really makes you think. Guess I'm #RaheemTeam now!
>>80394219
You've caught me.
>>80394369
Actually that's not DNKY .. . it's another guy.
I'm pretty good at spotting them.
>>80393797
We're the fastest growing economy in Europe m8. We grew at 7.8% last year :^)
Granted, Brexit might fuck that up but sure we'll see.
>be living in 2023 britain
>looking through state owned shops
>it's 20 minutes to curfew anyway
>look down a ginnel
>see a homeless woman
>decide to give her one of my food tokens
>i haven't had much of an appetite since the mandatory NHS AIDS empathy trial to promote tolerance towards the black and LGBTIQ communities
>oh my god
>it's her
>it's andrea leadsom
>she looks wretched, her hair is all dirty, probably from the woman's equality in the coalmine act (2022)
>start talking to her
>she's grateful for the food token, she hasn't eaten in days
>suddenly hear loud rumbling
>it's the patrol vans
>they're not usually out this early?
>the screeching music, "things can only get better", blasting through the PA system causes me to cover my ears
>suddenly a patrol of Jeresa's guards start marching towards us
>I'm dragged away from Andrea
>asked what I'm doing out after curfew
>look at my state approved watch, it's only 18:46?
>I look to the People's tower, it's actually 19:12
>I try to explain that my watch is slow to the guard
>He says that I've been tried for nefarious action against the state, incredulous malevolence and ordinance opprobrium
>ask him what he means, there was no trial
>under the Theresa-Jeremy coalition we have no right to a trial
>I'm furthur tried with erroneous retroactive recognition for asking what happened to trials
>I was only to be sentence to hard labour, ut that had made the sentence death.
>As I'm torn away from the alleyway I hear sobbing, followed by a single gunshot
>hear from gallows my "co-conspirator", Andrea, was killed whilst resisting arrest for blasphemy against the grand commissar, Theresa May
>Muhammed demands I eat a bacon sandwich before my execution, so I do not go to the heaven of the state church, Islam.
>throw the bacon in his face and run for the exit
>he recoils in terror
>get shot to death before I can reach the door
>>80390724
gg senpai
>>80394510
it does reinforce you defeatist mindset. you want to be beaten. quite pathetic really
>52% isn't a majority!
>it needs to be higher for _____ to win!
Yeah enjoy no party ever winning an election and referendums never being passed because this country is so polarised you mongs
Eu and remainers btfo
Uk economy grows 0.6%
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/gdp-growth-forecast-to-pick-up-despite-brexit-vote-a7125046.html
Uk manfacturing grows
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/01/uk-factory-output-grows-fears-brexit-fallout-eu
>>80394401
>No you didn't. You only set that up because De Gaulle vetoed your application to the EEC. Then your economy collapsed, the IMF came in and bailed you out and then you begged the French to drop their veto and let you into the EEC, which they stupidly did. You've been whining about fictitious notions of "superstate" ever since.
Start getting your facts right anytime
>>80394310
Politically, fair enough. But I also love the rationalist community, and there he was a God, blowing woo merchants & flakes away.
>>80394529
>I'm quite a YKTD scholar if I do say so myself
You've literally only been here since 2016 kek
>>80394612
Fucking Jesus!!!
I've just found a Swede that is positive about Brexit.
>>80394529
Not everybody that vaguely agrees with Hitchens/YKTD is YKTD himself. I've disagreed and argued with YKTD many times.
>>80394703
stay mad. defeatist.
Think what we could have had
>>80394768
no one cares. fuck off defeatist.
>>80394768
Yes .. .we believe you.
Now stop wasting my time eh?
>>80394727
Natsoc Swede is pretty good if a bit autistic
>>80394857
...But instead we get this
>but our hearts are all the same colour
>>80394857
its quite obvious you are happy he has backed out.
you would be angry if he was leader
>>80394329
Nuttall isn't standing, get over it
Maybe it's better UKIP is turning leftist. Take votes away from the Labourcucks.
>>80394570
>>the screeching music, "things can only get better", blasting through the PA system causes me to cover my ears
>>80394870
>>80394879
Fuck off, you're clearly YKTD with a proxy. Remain shills.. . ..
>>80394883
You must admit kiwibro .. . the only Swedes we have had here, are fiercely in the remain camp, it's nice to see a change.
>>80394870
>acting like a yank in Brit/pol/
Thoughts?
>>80388856
Lad you're using the Euro, which is going to crash real fucking hard when the Italian banking crisis kicks off in a few months - don't boast too much
>>80394570
Reckon the Americans will help us after the second American Revolution when they overthrow Hillary or are we fucked for ever?
>>80394727
More good shit
George Osborne suddenly things brexit will make the city thrive
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3680063/What-difference-two-weeks-Osborne-says-City-THRIVE-following-Brexit-remain-world-s-dominant-financial-centre.html
Not sure if good, interest rate cuts
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-3680965/Bank-cut-rates-0-25-week-bid-prop-UK-s-slowing-economy-Brexit-vote.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D62eoAvjuck
This will be the person fighting for control of our borders, lads.
>>80395054
I disagree.
>>80394939
I was the first person to capitalise on Farage standing down to push for Nuttall to replace him so that UKIP could do well and you know this because you were there sperging out at me at the time, you're a fucking loony
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/751775478059458560
decent speech tbf
>>80394401
> No you didn't. You only set that up because De Gaulle vetoed your application to the EEC. [...]
What the fuck do they teach you over there?
Firstly, EFTA only failed BECAUSE we joined the EEC. I'm not saying we were doing economically well at the time, but as far as EFTA goes it was a success, it just wasn't as successful as the EEC and the EEC offered better prospects.
Secondly, De Gaulle opposed our membership because he knew we'd oppose political integration and hinder it from the inside, and that's exactly what we did. We were only interested in the free trade, the rest of Europe was interested in the superstate dream. If you don't believe in the federal ambitions of the EU project, you can't really be helped. They're pretty open about it. Even old De Gaulle saw the eventual EU as a counterweight to the US.
>>80394570
I believe this 1000%
jez probably has pictures of soviet gulags up in his house
>>80387211
>Modern Russia poses no military threat to us, and isn’t even very interested in us
>Russian bomber planes in our airspace almost every week
Fuck off
>>80386555
still over-valued which is a bit annoying
>>80395039
doesent work when i already called you out for that YKTD
>>80395082
>acting like a defeatist
>>80395006
they have been open about this, wanting to get the traditional (white) working class northern vote, a demographic which was never too keen on the thatcherite nige
>>80395124
My head needs to be crushed in between those legs quite honestly
>>80394857
Think the whole "cultural marxism" thing might be a bit too loony for people
Like imagine if he were on the BBC and was saying political correctness is communism
