Does /pol/ like conservatives better than Libs?
The F-35 program is worth spending money on though.
>>80382333
Can I have source on the Wall street bailout?
please
That f-35 program is over the life of the program. We subsidize big oil so people don't pay 9 dollars a gallon for gas. We bailed out wall street so our economy doesn't fall apart, though that number seems kinda high. We have all the stuff at the top, most of it is just privatized.
Hillary is one of the ones responsible for this spending.
>>80382333
Things we "can afford"
>$10,000,000 to Israel every day.
>>80382333
F35 and Big oil subsidies are fine, we can't afford feeding the poor or ((((Education))))
The reason college loans are good is because it gives people reason to work hard after getting their degree, we just need to get the government out of the loan business and let the free market get the interest rates down.
>>80382333
How the fuck did liberals create the narrative that only "conservatives" went to war?
>>80382333
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_States_federal_budget
Top spending is not war, you're speding a lot of money on healthcare, social services, 'medicare', etc.
As you can see the conservative proposals would sligthly lower some of those, idk if more than 10%.
As for the question, cons > libs, neither fully represents my views.
>>80382333
Forgot foreign aid at the bottom.
>>80382333
Neo-Cons no
Paleo-Cons yes
I'm a non-interventionalist in both foreign affairs as well as economic affairs. Keep the government from stepping on my shoes and giving me and my children a bill and we're square.
>>80382333
Wow let's just give more money to the state solve all our problems, we already know how responsible it is when it has some. Let the state think instead of me, I cannot make decisions on my own.
You are an child both in your mind and in your soul if you believe shilling for the state will solve your problems. The state is the cancer that disables you to do any of the "can't afford" stuff by imposing ridiculous amounts of taxes, setting laws against your freedom of whatever you wish to do, and basically subsidizing super companies.
>>80383464
>yfw paleoconservative is the best system we have until we can perfect a perfect a.i. to lead us
>mfw human leaders are usually retards who only stay in office for a couple years, doing jack shit
>mfw if you don't have a top tier leader your autocracy falls apart
>mfw we will never have a human so intelligent or long lasting as Robert house to guide us
Nothing wrong with F35 and implying that a war is something you should cheap out on is disgusting, bank bail outs on the other hand were a farce.
>Renewable energy
Why not just fucking burn the money?
>Feeding the poor
Feeding the poor has led a yyyyuge African baby boom and now they will never be able to sustain them selves without gibs me dats unless there is a mass culling. Bravo leftist.
I agree with the rest though.
>>80382333
America can afford clean environment and feeding the poor. America has some of the best environmental protection in the world, and our food stamp program has been a success.
>>80382333
The USA spends literally triple on healthcare over what it spends on defense
The biggest issue in America is that you're all so fucking fat healthcare is extremely expensive
Not that I can really talk, I'm 280lbs and most of my friends are at least 230
>>80383991
>House
>Not based President JH Eden
I bet you like to watch your wife get fucked by ghouls and super mutants.
>>80384406
>robot that self-destructs what's left of his army because you tell him to
Not a very good a.i.
The enclave were shit in fallout 3 they somehow manage to be more impressive in fallout new Vegas where it's literally like 8 old people in old power armor
>>80382333
How about neither?
>>80382333
/pol/ generally wouldn't approve of anything on the bottom, you stupid shit.
The things on the top are all "afforded" to some degree.
>Public Elections
What the fuck is this supposed to be?
>>80382844
>We subsidize big oil so people don't pay 9 dollars a gallon for gas.
Aren't those in tax subsidies on the income of the oil companies? If that were the case, it wouldn't affect prices at all.
>We bailed out wall street so our economy doesn't fall apart, though that number seems kinda high.
It wasn't necessary, and that number is insane. Off by a factor of ten at least.
>>80386478
That's why /pol/ is filled with knuckle dragging retards that vote against their own economic interests
>>80382333
>vague concepts with no prices attached, but with price tags into the trillions
Maybe there is a reason we can't afford it, kike.
>>80386766
Define "own economic interest"?
Do you mean gibs?
>>80386766
Again, most of /pol/ would not be in favor of those subsidies, the wars, etc. This is a shit list. If you put the total spending by the military, that would be more convincing, as there are conservatives who think that should increase, while most people think it's too high.
>>80386766
Socialism is not in the interest of the middle class.
>>80384339
>literally
>not literally
pic related, i'm going to let you off with just a warning this time Dad
>>80386653
Nevermind what I said about the gas, I looked it up and realized I was thinking about something totally different. Sorry for that.
>>80382333
Reminder we spend more on entitlements which only makes the minority communities poorer and more dependent than we do on the military.
>>80382333
Conservative here. We can't afford any of this shit.
And fuck the F35.
>>80382333
>renewable energy
>white liberal faggots shut down any opportunity to advance clean nuclear energy
Faggotry, thy name is leftism.
>>80383995
>>Renewable energy
>Why not just fucking burn the money?
It's not always a waste, its a waste when Obama uses it as an excuse to funnel taxpayer money to his corporate friends in "green energy". That money could be spent to subsidize nuclear R&D than subsidizing solar panels which will never be viable in a free market, without subsidy. Instead, Obama does the predictable boondoggle shit, reimbursing his campaign donors.
>>80382333
It's pretty simple actually. The things I dislike about liberals are more important to me than the things I dislike about conservatives.
>>80387590
Only if you count entitlements for old people like social security.
Food stamps are like .01% of the budget.
>>80387851
Also Trump wants to spend money on many of the things considered to be "liberal", like infrastructure. By the way, when have liberals actually done anything for infrastructure, since FDR? Trump transcends partisanship, he just wants the best decisions made for the country, regardless of which camp it falls into.
>>80387090
The interest on the debt is surprisingly low.
>>80382333
free healthcare alone would cost all that combined
>>80388000
Don't get me wrong, there is plenty of graft in military spending too, which is what the entire F-35 project was. It's just what happens when you have corrupt corporate owned politicians running things. There is a lot of money wasted/grafted outside of entitlements too. Just look at how much EPA officials are paid, 6 figures and they can't ever be fired. That's a huge waste problem.
>we cant afford healthcare
>over 50% of our budget is healthcare and social security
>>80388166
As far as graft goes, a good half of the Stimulus Bill was money that went to Obama's corporate cronies. Remember the "shovel ready jobs"?
>>80388002
>infrastructure
Examples
>Wall
>???
>>80386766
I vote for the economic interest of the entire country 2bh
http://www.newsweek.com/how-obamas-alternative-energy-programs-became-green-graft-66373
Here's an interesting article about Obama's graft. It's scary how silent the media is on things like this.
>>80382700
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008
It's $700bn
>oil subsidies
>subsidizing literally the most profitable industry in the entire world
for why?
>>80388333
Keystone Pipeline, hardening our electric grid
Rebuilding highways, railroads, airports
etc
>>80388491
no good reason.
subsidies for these big businesses are generally pretty terrible.
>>80382333
Let's see a list of dems who voted for the bottom.
>>80382333
I don't like anything anymore
>>80388522
Oh. The Keystone Pipeline makes sense, but I don't remember him talking about it or any of those other things.
>>80382333
lets break that pic down point by point, shall we?
>healthcare
americans have the option to buy health insurance if they want to. already better than here in europistan where its not an option but a state-enforced obligation.
>infrastructure
implying america has no roads or electricity? what even is this nonsense?
>public transport
yeah good luck getting that to work in your nignog cities lmao
>education
all the top universities are in america. everybody who wants the best of the best education moves to america from all over the world.
>renewable energy
fucking waste of money for the sake of emotional feelgood shit. if you want to be efficient and effective you build nuclear plants instead of hippie power.
>clean environment
huh? last time i checked, china was the nation drowning in smog and waste. not america, not even close.
>feeding the poor
food stamps already exist, no?
>public elections
what even is this? i dont understand what they want.
>iraq war
a blunder that didnt do america any good. waste of money and american lives.
>afghanistan war
taliban literally supported al-qaeda, making them enemies of america. completely justified war.
>bank bailouts
questionable. i would have preferred the banks to go bankrupt, i do not like the state bailing out anyone. but 13 trillion doesnt sound like a very believable number.
>oil subsidies
serve americas geostrategic interests i think. but i dont know the details and im not an expert in the field though, so i dont really have an opinion.
>f35
military technology costs money. you dont get to have the most advanced military on the planet for free.
>>80382920
I think you meant 6 gorillion
>>80382924
Student loans work just fine, the problem is colleges lowering their acceptance standards/high schools inflating their scores so any idiot can get in.
People go get a useless degree and drink every night and don't pay any attention to the field, then can't hold a job when they get out, so work at McDonalds and live at home while paying denbts.
Some people say we need less people in college, but given the number of jobs that will increasingly require education that's not really an optimal solution.
Best option is having a less permissive society, that places more responsibility on kids (including teenagers) to work hard and learn new skills, and stay away from vices like excessive drinking or weed. Worked out pretty good for me, currently a junior in Mechanical Engineering at a good school, and have certifications/work experience that will allow me to get a good job in other fields if the economy goes down the drain.
>>80387090
>science only makes up one percent of the US budget but we still lead the world in scientific discovery
Imagine if we put as much funding in science as we did medicare or social security
>>80388491
Because they gave money to the campaigns of various politicians who control where the subsidy money goes. It's even more retarded to give solar panel companies subsidies though, since solar panels are objectively inferior in every way to fossil fuels, even in carbon footprint. At least oil is a viable product that people want. These solar panels companies ONLY can survive because they are subsidized, and many go bankrupt and the subsidy/grants disappear into the wind and Obama goes "lol oh well, its not my money!".
>>80389433
Under the current administration?
We would have laboratories full of dindus developing more ergonomic EBT cards
>>80389431
Most of the problems in your post can be solved by decentralizing education and getting the government out of the student debt business.
>>80389433
>>science only makes up one percent of the US budget but we still lead the world in scientific discovery
That's because of the free market and the innovations that are developed by necessity to remain competitive. This country's innovative drive has always been powered by competition.
>>80382333
>Hey guise the country is broke because of all these wars
>This is why we need to spend ourselves into an even bigger debt hole
Ebin gomrade :DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>80389687
>decentralizing education
Do you mean stopping state/federal grants and tax breaks to colleges?
I agree in that it would stop the apefirmative action bullshit, but doesn't solve the underlying problem of people going to college who aren't prepared to do well.
>getting the government out of the student loan business
The federal government probably loses a ton of money on loans, a private solution would raise costs for students.
You're right, raising costs does serve as a disincentive to underqualified students, but a better solution would be colleges raising their admission standards to account for grade inflation, and/or relying more on standardized testing which ensures uniformity across schools.
This would hopefully spur a change in culture at the teenage level, towards hard work and learning and away from degeneracy, solving the underlying problem.
>>80382333
>Afford renewable energy
What a shame, you don't get to spend 0,30€ per KwH energy, of which 50% goes into subsidiaries for solar and wind parks.
