this chart proves "white race" is a social construct
remove Italy, Germany, France and Scotland and Europe is average
there is no objective reason to lump any other European country with the "big four" other than to fullfil a non-existant social contruct
There is no "superior white race", just superior Italians, Germans, French and Scottish people.
The other Europeans leeched on these big four accomplishments and invented nothing of value.
Japan alone has contributed more than the big four, thus dismissing any reality of the "superior white race".
>>80373481
The Germanic race is not a social construct and all of those besides Italy are germanics. And we exist outside of Europe, you are not counting all the accomplishments of americans, austrailians, canadians, etc. when you compare those to the japs.
Calling slavs and whatnot white is a 21st century meme.
All French contributions came from Brittany, the rest leeches.
>>80373481
>Scotland
Cheeki frenchie. Good.
>>80374304
>WE WUZ ERRYTHING N SHEID
>>80374304
So germanics are superior.... after 1700.
But "white race" isn't superior.
per capita Japan is better than americans, australians, canadians
Jews are even more superior per capita
>>80373481
>Scotland
>population: 5.295 million
Wow. Are we really that great? :^)
>>80374483
Literally nothing he said was incorrect. You can be as mad about it as you'd like.
>>80374539
The Japanese are called East Aryans for a reason, and nobody is contesting that the Jews are intelligent. The fact that different races have different capabilities supports the race-realist position. I'm not sure what argument you think you're making.
>>80373481
True. Also don't forget that Italians are not white according to /pol/
>>80374715
>Literally nothing he said was incorrect.
except he said(probably not with a straight face) that France is Germanic
do you americans just pretend to be retarded for fun? I sure hope so
>>80374539
>Jews are even more superior per capita
Jews haven't accomplished anything though.
>>80374539
>But "white race" isn't superior.
That's what the white race originally meant. That's what the nazis meant when they said aryan.
>per capita Japan is better than americans
We developed a nuke first and kicked the japs ass in ww2 and practically own their country now so clearly they aren't that superior.
>>80374425
Everything decent that came out of your shithole that isn't croocked teeth culture and chavs came from Scottish descendants. Don't you dare denying this.
>>80373481
Masterrace confirmed
>>80375003
>Japan alone has contributed more than the big four
Why are you such a bad troll?
>>80374715
>I'm not sure what argument you think you're making.
i'm not white
i'm sick of these dumbfucking hungarian gypsies or fingolians telling me "WE WUZ" when they actually did nothing
>>80374813
LMAO
>>80373481
Hahaha we did more than Norway, Portugal, Finland, Slovakia and Iceland. Eat shit fools.
>>80374949
>We developed a nuke first and kicked the japs ass in ww2 and practically own their country now so clearly they aren't that superior.
Jews are not white
>people argue this like it's some mindblowing new angle nobody ever thought of before
Everyone but the dimmest Stormfag follower understands that 'white' is a working definition when it comes to Europe. The fact remains that we may as well stand together against the flood of xenos from the ME and N Africa while we still can. If we somehow survive the next century and uncuck ourselves we can go back to arguing over postage-stamp sized chunks of Belgium etc. This should be obvious.
White race is only something we Europeans can hold. Americans can't say they are white. They are rejects of Europe. Like Negros in America can't say they are black. Americans are mixed. Europeans are pure. Like Africans are pure blacks. Why are Americans so obsessed with being called white, which they ofc aren't , boggles my mind
White people colonized the entire world and created modern civilization. Take your chart and go back to Morocco.
>>80375541
Morocco colonized Europe for almost 1000 years you dimwitted amerimongrel mutt
>>80373481
What did spain and portugal ever do other than conquer half the planet and fill it with their languages
>>80375541
Ottomans gave us great achievements in science philosophy and literature. Us WHITES(you aren't) learned a lot from them and they learned a lot from us.
>>80373481
I'm sure that even without the first four, Europe still BTFO of 90% of the world.
>>80375796
Wat
>>80375122
>LMAO
I know it's hard to accept the facts. Jews have accomplished only slightly more than blacks in their entire existence.
>>80375003
>I am upset about Brexit
>>80375961
cute
>>80375961
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates
>>80375829
>Ottomans
They were literally the niggers of the muslim world
In 600 years they achieved literally nothing regarding to science or philosophy the Golden Age of Moorish/Persian caliphates had an end after Turkic influence on Islam
>>80375787
What is this chart?
>>80373481
>The other Europeans leeched on these big four accomplishments and invented nothing of value.
you fail to account for population size, and so does the chart. Good try though. If you normalize for population size, white countries are almost all equal contribution-wise.
>>80376241
Britain had a tiny population up until the industrial revolution. France and Germany were the population centers of Europe since the middle ages.
>>80375796
lots of science and theology
>>80373481
Everyone already knows that Germanic whites are better than other whites; but how does this demonstrate that the white race doesn't exist as you claim?
>>80376241
Nigger are you going to try and claim that Britain, France, Germany, Italy, and Austria-Hungary had a higher population than Russia? Certain people put out significant figures at rates far higher than others; Scots in particular.
>>80376241
not true
Norway : 5 millions
Scotland population : 5 millions
>>80373481
>What I believe is true, if you ignore this, that and the other. Oh also ignore this too.
>SEE i'M RIGHT! BTFO
Really lad?
>>80373481
To be honest Slovakia didn't even exist for hundreds of years, it was part of Austro-Hungary
>>80375796
it takes far more than just luck to sail halfway across the world in both directions and not get lost
>>80376155
this is true. we turks were never as philosophically deep or developed as persians or arabs
most scientists of the muslim world are arabs and persians.
we were the warriors of islam, and pretty shitty ones at that, but at least we defeated mongols (unlike persians and arabs) and had some
most scientists of the muslim world are arabs and persians. victories in the west
>>80376103
And those Jews were educated on Western European styled universities, themselves based on Christian European philosophy and mentality, which was based on Roman and especially Hellenic philosophy and science.
Literally nothing in their works and thoughts has anything to do with Jewish religion or Semitic tribes neighbouring Aramaics, Phoenicians etc.
The foundations of modern science and scientific method, mathematics, physics, chemistry etc. were laid by people born as whites to White christian parents.
>>80376679
come on, you're not that bad
Sinan was a great architect and you had great military
and you just popped a Nobel
>>80376500
Where the fuck do you see Scotland on that chart?
>>80376450
>Russia
>White country
epic meme my friend
>>80376402
>Britain had a tiny population up until the industrial revolution.
not relative to the other European countries.
>>80376450
Russia was extremely sparsely populated. Especially if you consider the fact that original medieval Russia was not under Russian rule following the Mongol invasion.
As late as 1600s 3 million people is the total estimate of population.
>>80376679
Do you Turks consider them self's Europeans or Asians? Or is the opinion divided? Like I'm 100% sure people in Carigrad consider themself Europeans, but imo people from Ankara don't.
>>80376684
>Literally nothing in their works and thoughts has anything to do with Jewish religion or Semitic tribes neighbouring Aramaics, Phoenicians etc.
>The foundations of modern science and scientific method, mathematics, physics, chemistry etc. were laid by people born as whites to White christian parents.
it's funny because "niggers" are like this because of their genes, but jews are like this because of "white christian culture"
>>80376879
sinan was engineer/artichect. it's amazing, in that istanbul is so beautiful because of him, but philosophically he didn't leave anything.
>>80376684
>Jews accomplishments don't count because they were in the west when they did it.
wew lad
By the way, the Greeks weren't Christians.
>>80376886
are you retarded ?
90% of British accomplishmenst are Scottish accomplishments
Maxwell, Watt, etc
open a science book
>>80376103
>muh nobel prizes
With respect to culture and nation building they have done almost nothing. They ride on the success of others just like blacks.
What is the definition of these "achievements"?
Btw. Russian has non-white population because it grew rapidly from a rather small Duchy in 1400s to a huge empire in 1700, all the while not eradicating the original and conquered inhabitants. FFS they fought with Muslims and hordes for the control of Pontic and Eurasian steppe.
>>80373481
>this chart proves "white race" is a social construct
This chart is literally based on a headcount of names in scientific literature from the fucking 1400s all the way up too the 1950s.
Disregarding the fact that obviously during almost six centuries not only the four reigning empires had the most citizens concerned with scientific research but obviously also the gigantic advantage of sheer population size.
If you can't comprehend why your conclusion of the white race being a social construct solely based on this chart is ridiculously far fetched I'm almost willing to bet 10$ that you're not ethnically french.
>>80376890
The OP's pic starts in 1400. Mongols were out of Russia by 1502. Population sparsity is irrelevant unless you can demonstrate that population density positively encourages notable figures.
>>80376886
>the only way he can add credence to his arguments is by arbitrarily discarding the whiteness of countries that contradict his theories
hello jidf
>>80377037
Kemal or Erdogan? Who is a better leader?
>>80377132
>advancements in science contribute nothing to culture
Guess what all of those sci-fi authors were inspired by?
>>80376933
we are not europeans. we never will be.
kemalist seculars thought they would be european if they became secular and started writing latin letters. but europe remembers. it remembers our invasions and will never forget them.
if you read historical works the word turk = muslim. it's never going to change even if turks become 100% atheist, because history books will still exist. and as i said europeans' elites are very educated in history and know of our invasions.
our future is in asia, being leaders of islam, and the sooner we realise this the better will be both for us and for europeans and muslims too.
>>80377125
>are you retarded ?
are you? You posted that chart, and then make claims about Scots that your chart makes no reference to. How about you post proof of your claim, you fucking imbecile.
>>80377125
Next you'll be telling me that Milton is Scottish. This anti-Anglo rhetoric is pathetic.
>>80377070
>Jews accomplishments don't count because they were in the west when they did it.
Accomplishments relating to intellect don't count because they were educated by the west. Those are western accomplishments that a Jew was involved in.
Jews have no accomplishments of their own, because they have nothing of their own.
>>80377070
Look, you are severely undereducated and undercapacitated for us to have a conversation on the foundations of European culture and scientific thought. The fact that you felt a need to "remind" me that ancient Hellenes were not Christian illustrates my point. What is the point of me bringing up Plato, Aristotel, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Bacon etc.? Or the religious background of universities?
>>80377295
nothing arbitrary about it. Russia is the mongrel capital of the world. They've been raped from all sides throughout all of history. They're mutts and you're comparing them to pure-bred.
Sorry if I offended your proud heritage, Ivan.
Remember that eastern Europe was a communist shithole only 25 years ago so it makes sense that they're IQs, economies, and influence aren't as great as western European nations.
>>80374304
>>80374539
France is not Germanic is you fucking retards
>>80373481
>Japan alone has contributed more than the big four, thus dismissing any reality of the "superior white race".
0/10
>>80377349
>Guess what all of those sci-fi authors were inspired by?
>all science fiction is a jewish accomplishment
Reaching hard there bro.
>>80377431
>poetry has the same value as science
LMAO
even Newton probably copied from Leibnitz
>>80373481
This chart proves more than anything that R1b haplo countries are superior.
>>80377549
China is also communist
>>80377558
>France is not Germanic is you fucking retards
>>80373481
>Japan alone has contributed more than the big four, thus dismissing any reality of the "superior white race".
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
kek
you should have said china, but it would still be vastly wrong. ireland has contributed more than any non-white country.
>>80377522
I'm not Russian or even Slavic to any degree.
>They've been raped from all sides throughout all of history
This also applies to Great Britain who manage to clock in at the top of the chart. Are they not white or something?
>>80377558
well meme'd
>>80377007
Modern Western Jews would be the type the Maccabeans fought. All of them have nothing to do with original Jewish culture, religion and mentality.
If the Jews really are so superior, why doesn't it show on IQ research, the most vulgar form of average capability insight?
Why were Euler, Leibniz, Newton, Descartes, Gauss, Maxwell etc. not Jews?
>>80377498
>Accomplishments relating to intellect don't count because they were educated by the west.
Absurd. Jews contributed a ton to the sciences and thus the world. Denying them this credit is stupid.
>>80377511
Your argument is idiotic and self-contradictory. Why don't you educate yourself?
>>80377586
I never said that. Read again.
>>80374304
France isn't so much Germanic. We have and had way too much existing population to be called Germanic.
We're roughly celto-(greeco-)latino-germanics, in that order. You can now add arabs I guess... Though they don't assimilate so...
>>80377737
Here's a (You) because you posted Nico-chan.
>>80377772
>ireland has contributed more than any non-white country.
potato nigger detected
(((accomplishments)))
>>80377593
>even Newton probably copied from Leibnitz
well done for outing yourself as knowing absolutely nothing about science.
>>80377806
>Absurd. Jews contributed a ton to the sciences and thus the world. Denying them this credit is stupid.
Nobody's denying a Jew was involved. It's simply not a Jewish accomplishment. It's a western (some might say white) accomplishment.
Jews themselves as a race have done nothing to further humanity on their own.
>>80377365
But that's the thing. I see like 99% of Turks who are secular and only like one in 100 who is religious. I think you were on a right path and then Erdogan came.... I remember Turkey from 1995 - 2010. And it was a great country. For fuck sake Hasan Sukur was my fav footballer for some time :D
I also don't believe that any European actually looks down on you because of invasions, since everybody was killing everybody from 0 to like 1995 in Europe. You aren't anything special when it comes to that. Also we did kind of win against you, so people don't feel so much hate towards you.
>knowing jack shit about history
>still posting about history
OP is a fag as always
>>80377778
Britain was raped by other white countries only (the last 50 years of shitskin immigration not counting), thus at worst side-grading and at best upgrading their genetic makeup.
>>80375690
hurr durr muh Mediterranean. I said the entire fucking modern world, Mehdi. You've also clearly outed yourself as a shitskin.
>>80375829
A Slovenian calling an American with pure Germanic blood non-white is hilarious.
>>80377799
>Why were Euler, Leibniz, Newton, Descartes, Gauss, Maxwell etc. not Jews?
the same reason Tao is Chinese
sheer numbers, of course there will be a genius once you have a sufficientely large population size
>>80373481
>Scotland
Ayy lmao, butthurt Pierre?
Britain > you
>>80373481
>lumping Brits in with Scotts and calling them Scotts
The most triggering thing in this post
>>80378011
There's no evidence that the Mongol invasions had any lasting genetic influence on the ethnic Russians. Tatar conquest is a myth.
The Mongols were content to extract tribute and segregate themselves away.
>>80377778
>well meme'd
Dude, it isn't. Are you on crack? There is a germanic mixed perimeter in the north and east, so you have a lot of people with German or Duth/Flemish heritage, the same way in the south you have French of Italian heritage. But overall the French ethnicity is not 'Germanic', it is primarily Celtic with a little less Latin.
Oh, le petit cocu est en pleine phase de cacapostage cette après-midi.
>>80377806
No, it is not. You are severely lacking in arguments and facts, therefore you fall back to this level.
>>80377963
It's a white, western, and Jewish accomplishment.
>Jews themselves as a race
Ashkenazi jews is an ethnicity that has historically been in Europe.
>>80373481
>this chart proves "white race" is a social construct
What difference does it make?
>>80378187
>There's no evidence that the Mongol invasions had any lasting genetic influence on the ethnic Russians. Tatar conquest is a myth.
>>80378259
>themselves based on Christian European philosophy and mentality, which was based on Roman and especially Hellenic philosophy and science.
>The foundations of modern science and scientific method, mathematics, physics, chemistry etc. were laid by people born as whites to White christian parents.
Self-contradictory. Go be an idiot somewhere else.
>>80378085
Fuck off. YOU ARE NOT GERMANIC, YOU ARE AMERICAN YOU KEK. You have so little history of its own that you have to track your heritage back decades or centuries to feel important you cuck. Only American would feel proud that their genes aren't from the place where they live.
>>80373481
>If you remove all the best achievements from something it's shit
Wat
>>80378122
Scots are butthurt about being British but want to act like British achievements are theirs at the same time, even though their country is a complete failure that can only pump oil out of the north sea and leech off of English taxpayers.
That's where this meme comes from
>>80374056
>bumping own shitty thread
>>80378102
So please tell me what prevented that sheer number of people of other races and ethnicities, over the centuries, to achieve their feats?
Are you people THIS retarded? Claiming statistical chance and genetics are the reason of scientific discoveries is mind-bogglingly retarded.
>>80377982
>I think you were on a right path and then Erdogan came
Erdogan is not even the start of islam's return to politics. Read about Adnan Menderes, Turgut Ozal, Demirel.
The myth that everything suddenly changed when Erdogan came to power is utter bullshit not based on history.
>I remember Turkey from 1995 - 2010. And it was a great country. For fuck sake Hasan Sukur was my fav footballer for some time :D
See, this is how I know you are a liar. I lived in this shithole for 30 years. This country has always been a shithole, and in fact it got just slightly better under Erdogan because at least we don't have the ridiculous Zimbabwe tier economy under him.
Pic related. We literally had millions of money just because of how fucked up our economy became under ""seculars"" (who are also btw socliast retards)
>>80378415
>>80378122
LMAO beadies
>>80378201
The word "France" itself is derived from the Franks, a literal Germanic tribe from Germany. They speak a Latin language, this is true, but the population, at least in the north, is genetically Germanic.
>>80378362
>there are Asian minorities in Russia therefore Russians are Asian
logic does not follow
>>80378372
It is a 2000+ year evolution, you colonial uneducated mongrel. From Thales, Euclides to Ptolemy to Bacon to Newton, Leibnitz, Gauss. Each were educated in the works of the previous ones.
Listen up turbofag, you can describe a cultural group completely with three factors: Genes, memes, and envionmental (outside) factors.
Your genes make up your body, your muscles, your neural bathways. They decide which tools you are given.
Your memes make up your culture, just like genes they convey information, albeit cultural, not biologic ones. They tend to cluster together to form memeplexes, like "Christmas" or "justice." They decide what you do with the tools you are given.
Then there´s environmental influences, like the houses your ancestors build, or the Israelis bombing you to shit.
While white race explicetly refers to genetics, the term infact refers to the cultural groups of all white people.
The reason why the big Four are so much better then the others is due to them having superior memes, as well as being the environmental influence to shit on the other remaining white cultures.
The white race is superior, but not simply due to our genes.
If you want to make a case against the white race being inferior, point to our failure to reproduce. Because that might legitimately kill us off.
>>80378497
Ok by getting better I ment, getting more European., not in economical or any other state.
And Hasan was my fav footballer!
>>80378187
>>80378491
>So please tell me what prevented that sheer number of people of other races and ethnicities, over the centuries, to achieve their feats?
>Are you people THIS retarded? Claiming statistical chance and genetics are the reason of scientific discoveries is mind-bogglingly retarded.
you are a slav so i'll try to explain it with simple words
Middle Eastern and North African people have always been much less in sheer numbers compared to Europeans
Croatians contributed less than Indians
>>80378714
>nature+nurture explanation
Based German. Now a minority among Germans.
>>80373481
>French """"""people""""""
You frogs are even bigger mongrels than us. We got pillaged by Vikings and then Vikings again. You got pillaged by Romans, Germanics, Vikings and then by us. And now by your colonies. Face it, the entirety of Europe has taken turns to run a train on your women through history.
>>80378751
>Germanics and Celts are the only white groups
Nigger, what are you doing?
>>80374723
>romans arent white according to /r/pol
daily reminder, it was the jews who introduce the 'white race' meme in the 1960s in order to slander superior british/german/italian/ect
At no point in history during any of these respective country's terms of power did they consider their european neighbors to be part of 'their' race.
BUT now that we are at this point, we might as well stick together and imply implications about a eurocentric racial narrative because 5 million scotish or english or italians or whatever sure as fuck will never stand a chance by themselves against 6 billion non-whites.
>>80378542
Pre-(failed)Scottish referendum memes?
You're not very good at this.
>>80378906
And you weren't pillaged by Romans?
>>80378906
Oh, I forgot about the Americans, commonwealth forces, and also us and Germanics, again, during the world wars.
>>80378714
>Dawkins propaganda
keep building submarines for your jewish masters
>>80378947
They are the only groups relevant to the OPs argument.
>>80378584
There's a ton of celts in the north too. It's more complicated than that. See, even before the franks came and in fact even before the roman came, and in fact even before the greeks set up colonies in the south BC, and in fact even before all of that shit, France was one of the most populated lands in europe with a lot of people (compared to the rest). So saying the north is Germanic is an enormous over simplification and lie.
Here's a map to help you. Reminder that before the germines were relevant, the celts were spread roughly through all of germany and beyond.
TL;DR: you can find all types of whites in France. We're literally an ancient multi culti land of the whites.
>>80378906
HOW WILL FRANCE RECOVER?
>>80379041
>also us
Carrying America and Russia's bags for them as they roam the European country side is not raping or pillaging
>>80378270
>Ashkenazi jews is an ethnicity that has historically been in Europe
Yet their culture and achievements are absent from Europe.
>>80378725
Yes he's great. But I personally don't like Europe. I hate Turkey even more, but i had the chance to live in Europe as well.
It's not that everyone hates us, it's that history has been already written and you can't erase it. We raped the Balkans, we raped Austria. And now we are raping Germany. Europe is right in disliking us.
>>80379055
Not an argument
>>80379171
>everything is different NOW so that means France and French people aren't germanic
For fucks sake.
>>80379039
There was barely anything here for them to pillage when they arrived, there was nothing but mud huts here when the Romans came over, then when they pulled out they left towns and roads
>>80379123
Celts came from Baltic sea. Traveled and lived in whole Europe. FFs I live in a small freaking town in the middle of nowhere in fucking Slovenia and even here our archaeologist found Celtic remains and graves and a small settlement . Whole Europe has Celtic blood in it.
>>80379123
You made the claim that Russians are Asiatic. OP did not. I'm asking you to provide evidence for the argument that you made and to stop deflecting the question.
>>80378906
A FUCKING COLONY
>>80378821
>Slav
>need simple words
>CAE
>C1 German
Are you by any chance a mixed, or Muslim? That would explain your position.
For your information, the Orient was more developed and more densely populated than feudal Europe until High Middle Ages. Europe didn't have a large population, and plague devastated it later on. And that didn't prevent it from outachieving the more numerous other inhabitants of the world. So, obviously, your claim of statistical chance has no connection to reality.
>>80379183
>Russia
>in France
come on, leaf
>>80379370
Which you destroyed and abandon.
>>80378584
>genetically Germanic
Meaning what? What does 'genetically Germanic' mean? The only thing i can think of I1 haplogroup which is not prevalent in France. France is solid R1b territory - the genetic legacy of generic western European cromagnons (like Basques and the Celtic countries)
>>80379447
>Are you by any chance a mixed, or Muslim? That would explain your position.
>For your information, the Orient was more developed and more densely populated than feudal Europe until High Middle Ages. Europe didn't have a large population, and plague devastated it later on. And that didn't prevent it from outachieving the more numerous other inhabitants of the world. So, obviously, your claim of statistical chance has no connection to reality.
completely false
http://worldpopulationhistory.org/
not only this but Europe had a greater climate advantage compared to dry deserts and mountains
>>80379385
>You made the claim that Russians are Asiatic.
No I did not.
>>80379378
I know. Picture I posted showed their genetic distribution.
>>80379322
What are you even saying ? The celts were here before the germanics. The germanics are the latest arrival and are, by themselves, very little. They mostly blended in with celts and you still find that celtic heritage to be quite important.
Celts do not exist as an ethnicity, and never did. It is more of a cultural and linguistic term. Or would you geniuses like to tell me that Galatians, Tylis, Taurisci, Boii, Belgae, Gauls, Britons, Gaelic, Celtiberians were related and descended from same people originating from a single place that spread around Europe?
Don't dabble.
>>80379744
Whole Europe is Celtic. Why do this Americans don't realise this. They just settled in the end in British isles but before that lived all across Europe.
>>80379447
>Are you by any chance a mixed, or Muslim?
look at his flag
>>80379970
The celts describe people which shared strong cultural ties and similar form of languages. They also describe the people living there since before even the greeks created Marseilles, Nice and whatnot. We also designate them like this because we are unsure of their ethnical unity.
So we're speaking of a group of people who shared a similar culture for centuries, but no, certainly did they not intermarry enough to have a somewhat common genetical ground...
>>80379476
You are right Nigel I've seen the light, I am now #MentallyHill
>>80379172
>France
>40% of all babies got sickle cell disease
>native population has 1% of that happening
>ever recovering
>>80373481
*facepalm*
>>80380954
Not saying there isn't too much shitskin for my liking, but people of italian descent (for example) are also tested for this. I mean, even if you have one italian grandparent (or great great grandparent). And god knows there's a ton of people with those, almost all of the people living in the south should have one...
>>80373481
http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html
>race is a social construct.
>>80379385
Since you were being cute, I found some haplogroups for Russia. Make your own conclusions.
