Will the deutsche bank crack be the next happening?
>>80345618
My prediction
About 3 months from now it should bankrupt
It can be faster
If EU or European Central Bank helps it, it could give several months
Propably everything gonna crash around November
>>80345618
No, the first to go will be Monte Paschi and DB has lot of Monte Paschi derivatives
>>80345618
it will be a happening and it will happen. depending on how fast the italian banks fail, the DB fail will happen faster. italian banks will fail in the next few weeks. DBs dead cat bounce in the last few days was the sure sign it'e happening soon.
>>80347687
>If EU or European Central Bank helps it
Please do it, this would basically guarantee a Nexit.
>>80347687
>>80347758
>>80348028
Another question. obviously, it will be a crash on Europe. but will it also be a global "happening"?
>>80348585
Of course.
You thought Lehman was big? DB would be 10 times worse. No, a hundred times, since it would take the Euro with it.
It would be even worse than the Great Depression. Significantly.
>>80348585
If it really happens, yes
>>80345618
>>80348648
>>80348672
then, it will not happen. too big to fall.
>>80348774
Just like Lehman.
>>80345618
Don't get too excited Spaniard. Another bank will buy your mortgage debt so you won't lose your 7 mortgages, credit card and luxury car loans if it were to happpen.
>>80348774
There's no way to fix this anon, the money doesn't exist in the entire world to fix it.
>>80348814
The ECB will absolutely bail out DB though.
>>80348774
Depends. Even if they can bail it out, it would result in in an enormous loos of confidence in investors
>>80345618
I talked to a girl working in structured products at Deutsche Bank yesterday. She says it is all a meme and that Deutsche Bank will survive despite the 718 trillion in derivatives on its balance sheet and the 587 trillion in off balance sheet derivatives.
I believe her.
>>80348927
but that would specify the crash on europe. Europe loses money and investors confidence. it's better than a global thing. I can't explain myself better
hopefully
>>80348585
it will be global, no doubt.
>>80348648
>ou thought Lehman was big? DB would be 10 times worse
no
> it would take the Euro with it
euro is dead already, i give it less than 5y.
>>80348774
>too big to fall.
definitely not anymore. central banks are out of ammo and can't stop it. if they could they would have stopped it to go as low as it already is.
i worked in finance for almost 20y now and what we're witnessing right now is without parallel in recent history. maybe the the tulip happening is remotely comparable.
not only Deutsche Bank is about to go shits
check out Commerz Bank, another huge bank in germany
>>80349012
>718 trillion in derivatives on its balance sheet and the 587 trillion in off balance sheet derivatives.
You're bullshitting. DB only has 72.8 trillion in derivatives exposure.
Economist here.
No one knows. There is no hard evidence that the Deutsche Bank is on the brink on collapse.
The Deutsche Bank tried to compete with new banks using old business models and has to pay the bill sooner or later. Not a single restructuring measure was effective yet.
We got a strong clue that the risk is not as bad as some portray it to be. Mrs. Merkel denied the Italian government to bail out their trash-tier (cannot put it another way) banks with taxpayer money.
Everything Ms. Merkel does is not for the sake of the taxpayer, it is for the sake of the economy. So probably, she does not seem concerned that much with the failure of Italian banks at all.
Let us all hope that the United Kingdom announces it will not leave the EU ASAP, because there is no way it will actually happen.
>>80348914
With what? Do you know how big DB is? They wasted all their resources on preventing this, the inevitable, from happening.
Something will trigger the chain. If it's not DB, it'll be the Italians.
>>80348914
It's not possible.
The money does not exist.
>>80349012
I see this shitty way of thinking an awful lot of times in spain. "A friend of mine told me to buy land and houses, it never loses value, so I believe him"
"A friend told me to bought a bigger car, it will give me less problems, I believe him"
look at this country and then think again.
>>80349120
If DB goes under, the entire world will go under. I'm sure Merkel will figure out a way to prevent this from happening.
>>80348585
I'm not gonna lie, but I might be wrong.
It won't be contained in Europe for sure. It will bring down probably USA and Japan too, maybe even China. There are many economical bubbles and such crisis can pop them up.
It will lead to many banks falling like dominoes
It is too big to be certain what would happen thou
>>80348914
>just bail it out xD
>>80348648
>It would be even worse than the Great Depression. Significantly
No it won't, for you euro users it might but not for us who do not use the euro
>>80349102
>You're bullshitting. DB only has 72.8 trillion in derivatives exposure.
>>>
Says you.
>>80349166
Isn't DB a private commercial bank?
>>80349159
>A friend of mine told me to buy land
good advice but only if you pay cash.
>>80349227
How did they amass such a huge amount of derivatives exposure?
I heard it had something to do with loans to Greece and Italy, and then selling CDSs on that?
>>80349030
DB is the biggest European bank, if it looses investors and confidence, it will drag Europe with it. The problem is that the world economy is so intertwined that Europe suffering would trigger a global domino like reaction.
>>80347687
Should I buy other banks' stocks so I get rich when DB defaults?
>>80349188
Practically everyone gets hit, how bad it's going to be we're not exactly sure yet.
>>80349203
easy man, put that interest rate down to -10 and buy more government bonds, its good afterall, because the currency goes down and we can export more goods right anon???
>>80349209
you bet it will. especially the krona is very much exposed to a weak €. sweden will go down with the eu if the € tanks.
>>80349234
Yes, but if DB falls then companies having money in it also falls
Then it would strike government and other banks, because production and services start to stop
Then chaos starts
>>80349266
they did it, but with speculative intentions. so, when the bubble burst, they lost money.
>>80349315
>Implying the government won't fuck you out of everything
>>80345618
pull your money about and invest into gold and other assets
the kike global fiat currency racket is coming to a complete crash.
ALLAHU AKBAR!!!
>>80347687
>My prediction
>About 3 months from now it should bankrupt
What other "prediction" can you give us by talking out of your ass, jaroslavdamus?
>>80349106
>Merkel denied the Italian government to bail out their trash-tier (cannot put it another way) banks with taxpayer money.
I just heard on TV that the government will bail the banks with public money
All bank stocks will decrease as a result of deutsche bank going under, deutsches the most.
Leverage to the max and short the stock, or buy some european put options and wait for the right time.
>>80349500
His ass' contents are as good a prediction as economists, given the latter's track record.
>>80349403
>speculative intentions
that's bad.
>>80349288
>How did they amass such a huge amount of derivatives exposure?
>I heard it had something to do with loans to Greece and Italy, and then selling CDSs on that?
It is all about interest rate swaps, which has to do with the low interest rate environment in Europe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbh3rndGDN8
Watch from 13:00 for a good explanation of Deutsche Bank vs. other banks and derivatives.
![the-big-short-cbale_04[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uXHpqPl.jpg "the-big-short-cbale_04[1].jpg")
>>80349315
can we make it 6 gorrillion?
PULL YOUR MONEY OUT, BEFORE THEY PUT THE BANKS INTO LOCKDOWN MODE!!
SHIT ABOUT TO GET REAL, GOYS!!!
INVEST IN GUNS AND AMMUNITION!
>>80349315
No, most other banks have the exact same problem. Deutsche will just be the first domino in a series of banks that will collapse. I suggest having a few months worth of cash out of the bank (for food etc), and money in precious metals, just incase.
In the coming years there will be a deflationary crisis where banks and countries will be forced restructure debt. Central banks may attempt to hyperinflate their way out of the situation leading to various currency crisii (crisis') so precious metals will be a good hedge against that.
THE GREAT RESET SOON
TURN YOUR SAVINGS INTO GOLD BEFORE IT'S TO EXPENSIVE
YOU WEALTH ISN'T SAFE AS CASH AND ISN'T SAFE IN YOUR BANK
>>80349609
JESUS CHRIST They sold credit default swaps on loans to greece and italy!!! ARE THEY FUCKING MENTAL?
>>80349315
I would buy food, water, then some guns and ammo if you have license
It will be more valuable than some paper money
Ahh now I know why the Dutch politicians gave our retirement funds to the EU.
We're fucked.
>>80349634
GOLD SILVER AND BEANS GOLD SILVER AND BEANS
They bled dry the southern Europe to save DB, and all that achieved was just to delay the inevitable for a few years.
Maybe now, they're gonna try the same with Britain or Eastern European countries. Which will only give it a few years more, before it becomes a problem again.
DB is dying and EU will die with it, the recession will be the worst yet and it's going to be global, not just European.
And after the world's worst recession, the third world war is coming. This is exactly how it happened, this is exactly how it's going to happen again.
We will have our fighting chance then, if Russia manages to win somehow, we're safe. If not, here we come NWO.
>>80349660
>Deutsche will just be the first domino in a series of banks that will collapse
not the first but one of the biggest.
>I suggest having a few months worth of cash out of the bank
bad advice. buy food now, if prices inflate you have to pay 3000€ for 500g pf pasta.
>In the coming years there will be a deflationary crisis where banks and countries will be forced restructure debt
no, lenders will default, no restructuring.
>precious metals will be a good hedge
you don't seem to understand the utility of pm.
>>80349580
fair enough.
>>80349885
Of course that the Deutsche Bank channels Lehman Bros from the grave and it's currently the most dangerous bank in the world, but the ECB has already started buying corporate bonds. Then we'll have ball-in BRRD ("Cyprus variant" - stealing 50% of the citizens bank deposits).
>>80349634
>>80349767
>>80349802
good advice here.
>>80349315
are you retarded?
You want to buy shit that is negatively correlated with bank stocks, so the last thing you want to have is... other bank stocks.
Maybe gold or some shit like that.
Just short DB with your toilet cleaning money and enjoy germanies downfall.
>>80349885
>Implying Russia wouldn't NWO
go read 1984
>>80349885
>it's going to be global
no it's not going to be global, only effect the economies that are heavilty tied down to the jewish banking racket
North Afrika is preparing to go full gold which will deal a double economic blow to the west.
THIS IS NOT A DRILL, WITHDRAW ALL YOUR SAVINGS,INVEST IN GOLD AND KEEP IT IN YOUR SAFE
DO NOT TRUST THESE KIKE BANKS
THEY ARE TRYING TO SAVE THEIR OWN ASSES
AT YOUR EXPENS|E!!
>>80349106
So importing millions of rapefugees was for the sake of the economy? I don't buy it.
>>80350056
Show me where, during the WW1 or WW2, gold was a key to the survival.
>>80349566
>leveraged shorts
I.. I can't lose!
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/help-my-short-position-got-crushed-and-now-i-owe-e-trade-10644556-2015-11-19
>>80349106
>Economist here.
>There is no hard evidence that the Deutsche Bank is on the brink on collapse.
What is technical analysis.
>>80350119
Soviet Communism is dead for over 20 years now, in case you haven't noticed.
>>80350140
The derivatives exposure will drag down everyone. It's the domino theory in practice.
Energy based currency when?
Derivatives exposure isn't the same thing as debt.
Think of it like a bookmaker taking bets; if lots of people are betting on Team A, they attempt to balance the books by offering better prices on Team B. This lowers the 'exposure' as if Team A wins, they can pay them out using the money taken from people betting on Team B. It's kinda like that.
When people talk about 'derivative exposure' they're usually talking about the amount of money invested in the derivative markets overall - it doesn't take into account that the derivatives are offset with one another and/or insured.
Interpreting the exposure as 'OMG money they owe' is completely wrong.
>>80349885
Hope you're right mate.
Time to boot the shitskins out.
This would be our chance.
>>80350156
Why else would a Conservative chancellor be strictly pro-immigration.
>>80350163
It's not the key to survival, you're right.
But its price will raise dramatically so you stand to make a ton of money while people are losing theirs kek
Gotta out jew the jews.
>>80350140
>>80350221
Do you see NATO marching its troops your country, right now?
Why would they do this? What realistic threat does Russia pose to Europe right now? Instead of marching them into the Mid East to end the threat of Islamic terrorism?
They're setting up the stage. The pieces on the chessboard. It's coming now, it's soon.
DB is dying, recession is coming and with it, the War. A war of the west against Russia and China maybe.
That's why they're bringing those troops there now.
What I mean to say is where you're going my Pole friends, gold won't save you. Your country will be a warzone.
Does this mean Remainians are BTFO?
>>80350229
>The derivatives exposure will drag down everyone.
once again, Im telling, not everyone
why do you think the Chink distanced themselves from the dollar.
They already secured their economy and their vaults are packed with gold.
the western cucks though, they will burn hard.
>>80350156
Cmon lad it happens in your country too, why do you think the guvt is so eager to let in millions of mexicans?
>>80349089
I think Commerzbank is following DB down because of its exposure to DB. Its own fundamentals arent as bad as DB, but are as bad as most of EU banks
>>80350524
>Your country will be a warzone.
I'll bet you USA will be a war zone much faster. These faggot here will soon be high tailing back to the US to contain the situation there.
>>80350163
not comparable. war is different from financial collapse. pm will be the only assets (other than land) which will be of any value. but it won't be like cash, you keep it until things stabilize, then buy land, businesses or commodities.
>>80349609
So most of it is in interest rate swaps, in order to drive down the interest rate in America and Europe.
I still don't understand how interest rate swaps can become such a huge problem, because essentially we both agree to a contract, for example I agree to pay you LIBOR on 1 million euros, and you pay me 2% on 1 million. My derivatives exposure then is 1 million euros, right?
In reality only around a couple of thousand euros gets exchanged between us. Am I wrong? I'm still trying to wrap my head around this huge amount of derivatives exposure.
>>80350163
This
Gold don't fulfill any basic needs
You can't eat it, drink it, heal somebody with it
If there would be heavy lack of food, you are fucked, because gold price would be real low compared to food, water, weapons, antibiotics or oil
Buy what serves basic needs and can be stored for longer
>>80350600
Chinese have big housing bubble and it is rising
They do everything to reduce impact, but they will feel it too
>>80350585
If DB fails it's going to affect everyone, EU or not
>>80350600
you have no clue. china is in deep, deep shit. maybe even deeper than western states. if the west tanks, china tanks as well. they need us more than we need them.
>>80350748
One can only hope so.
>>80350600
Don't you remember the crash that Chinese stock markets suffered recently? Their bubble is already bursting. They're too weak, they won't be able to endure the shockwave of the DB explosion.
Imagine the global market as a Jenga tower. You know the game, right? DB is the wrong piece, and someone is just going to pull it out.
Even if someone is not directly exposed to DB and as a result, won't suffer from DB's death, he will be damaged from elsewhere. The whole consumer-based western way of life, is going to come to a very abrupt stop.
>>80349937
There wont instantly be hyperinflation, it's not like the banks will collapse and then instantly everything will become super expensive. Quite the opposite. There will likely be bank holidays and freezing of trade for a period of time where cash will be king until the banks are loaded with cash from central banks. Cyprus bail ins, greece etc
Cash, precious metals, food and guns etc, all will be useful
And how are precious metals not a hedge against hyperinflation?
Precious metals will retain or increase in value (not price, but value) during a period of hyperinflation as people rush to safe assets
>>80350816
Derivatives aren't a problem. It is a fucking meme.
It is all about whether there is a technical problem in the system or one of the main clearing systems blow up due to human error or fraud... then Deutsche Bank is fucked.
>>80350841
>Gold don't fulfill any basic needs
you too have no clue. gold was a currency for millennia, it didn't change. why do you think japan, india and many other countries are buying gold like there's no tomorrow? are they all dumbasses?
>>80350842
Yes I know that, but as this crash isn't referendum related, it destroys the notion of a strong European economy protecting us incompetent Brits from ruin
>>80350585
Polling on the continent post brexit shows large gains for pro-eu parties, and far-right anti eu parties are losing ground.
This idea that brexit will lead to the disintegration of the eu is rubbish, the opposite is happening.
>>80351087
India has always been a large consumer of gold, gold trinkets are a status symbol - it's a cultural thing.
I'm a finance noob, how would this affect government bonds? It's not money in the bank but I assume savings in bonds would get btfo too because EU countries would go broke and somehow confiscate that? Unfortunaly my uncle memed my parents into putting their savings in treasury bonds. At least 0 of it is in banks.
>>80351087
dont listen to that polak kike
the international kikes know their fiat currency and "bonds" racket is coming to a kaput.
It's why they've blown up the WTC grabbed all the gold they cold carry and bailed for the Golan Heights.
>>8034947
The fuck out of this board, arab dog
>>80351020
Are there any good books on this that aren't "Swaps and Derivatives Volume 1 to 300" textbooks?
>>80351087
Melanin is worth more than gold, invest in negroes.
https://keyamsha.com/2014/06/28/melanin-is-worth-353-a-gram/
>>80351006
>here will likely be bank holidays and freezing of trade for a period of time where cash will be king
this will last only for a few days. remember, the greek, cyprus thing is not comparable to what's gonna happen. this it will be large scale. food will get more expensive even before the collapse. again, buy food now, when things go belly up it's too late.
remember when greeks couldn't get food deliveries because the truck companies were unable to pay for gas? foreign truck companies instantly raised prices and food got more expensive practically on day one.
>>80350462
Somewhat decent analogy.
The problem however is that if the counter-party defaults it's as if neither Team A or Team B actually win.
>>80349106
Thanks for your input state cultists, praise be to mamma Merkel.
>>80351234
Theoretically the bank would fone bust :p4/5 years go. In practice the banks are shot with ECB heroine. Plus the QE keeps the banks from falling. We are in a frce, fake reality, stagenate economy and the entire poeple of Europa are now debt slaves for the rest of our generations.
>>80351226
that's true but i mean the state and not individuals. the state even confiscated gold from hindu temples....it's different this time.
>>80351338
so is platinum. gold is universally known and you can test it easily with primitive means. again, there's a reason gold is a currency for millennia.
>>80351096
Wrong. There has been a panicked push for increased shilling by pro-EU parties to try and save face.
Look at AFD, Geert Wilders, 5 star party, Swedish Social Democrats, FN etc
Over the past few years they have continued to climb and this will not change
>>80350938
>they need us more than we need them.
Oh yeah, sure...lmfao
Here's whats goign to happen next year, Chinks go knocking on uncle samuel's door demanding their debts paid off, federal gubment says NO
Chinks invade and seize US federal government assets.
Civil war breaks out in north america's kikes lock themselves in all those fancy deep underground bunkers they built in the rockies and target their missiles on anyone that tries to break in.
screen cap this.
>>80349810
The EU demands your bennies and it will get them! That's why brexit happened. Your two fingers at Cameron when he came and asked for help protecting it from slavs
Should I buy gold or silver now?
>>80349315
Don't be a dumb nigger, wait for the crash, buy the pit...........whoever survives (Barclays, Lloyds, etc.) will be cheap as fug and they will be fucking badass investments for AT LEAST 3-5 years.
t. 2009 Goldman Sachs investor
F
>>80351760
>t. 2009 Goldman Sachs investor
This guy doubled his money in 7 years.
>>80351775
Good point.
Solid argument.
>>80351338
We are gonna make a shitload of money out of our niggers then
>>80349061
will gold save me? i got about 40 ounces stashed away...
>>80350499
Lol, conservative. What exactly is it she is trying to conserve, the democratic welfare state, or is it the ever expanding power and influence of the EU that she wishes to preserve?
She's a puppet on a string just like Obama, a useful idiot being used by the globalists to further their agenda.
The system has been engineered to collapse, in order to usher in a new global currency, backed by global laws and enforced by a global military. A new world order if you will.
>>80352114
I stole my mom's golden ear rings and hid them under my matress.
off the grid
thats how you do it.
>>80352206
I used to call out this Alex Jones tier conspiracy stuff as bullshit but with every passing year it becomes more and more obvious and inevitable it seems
>>80347687
> 7.7.16
> „Deutsche Bank unter zehn Euro würde Anleger panisch machen“
http://www.handelsblatt.com/finanzen/maerkte/aktien/bankaktien-deutsche-bank-unter-zehn-euro-wuerde-anleger-panisch-machen/13844906.html
I don't want a war, guys. Tell me it's all going to be alright
>>80351687
Well, I'm into gold a while ago, my thought is that gold will continue to go up for years to come (I'm a staunch believer in the dissolution of the EU)
If you have periods of economic upheaval, globalist pants shitting, etc. gold will be worth more.
I think there is FAR more to come
I'd buy now if I had no current interest in gold. My current bets are on prolonged turmoil, so I'm "heavy" into guns and gold (25% of my portfolio), I'm up a total of 42% on that investment now compared to ~10% on my other shit.
You will feel the return to fiat, you just have to pay attention.............the return to fiat is for sure not now though.
>>80351606
>Over the past few years they have continued to climb and this will not change
Yes but he was talking about Brexit and its immediate effect on the continent. Far-right and anti-EU parties have lost on that one, probably due to political and economical problems Britain is facing right now.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/08/brexit-causes-resurgence-in-pro-eu-leanings-across-continent
>>80352341
no
there will be war
jewrape will get jewed and raped again.
because it didnt learn from history. :^)
>>80351815
Are you implying that is bad? (it's true, I did, 122% return realized on sale)
>>80351858
It's already over family.
There are no breaks on the DB train to crashing the entire continent
>mit keine survivors
>>80352254
thus why these kikes are so desperate in creating an EU army.
it's purpose will be nothing more than further EU militaristic expansionism
>>80352206
Furthermore, you might want to heed the advice of what actual experts (people who earn their living on economics) are saying, and invest in either precious metals, which has inherent value and is capable of backing any form of currency, as well as cryptocurrency, which has such advantages as being able to handle instant transactions across the globe and being easily broken down for microtransactions.
It also couldn't hurt to learn the art of bartering, or exchanging of goods or a service for another.
>>80352639
You realize Poland has been the one pushing for EU army the most while Germany and other states are against it, right?
>>80352436
No, you're a genius.
Deutsche Bank fails today.
>>80353244
>"poland"
only the foul kikes and commies infesting this "government", which I do not consider my government in the first place
>>80345618
crashing this Union with no survivors
>>80353544
You are the union
>>80353553
That's ironic because Cameron and all of your major Leave politicans pussied out despite Cameron promising he'd invoke A50 immidately.
>>80353535
I mean unless you want to argue that Poland is the one pulling the strings behind the EU then the common army just isn't happening, the push for the idea in the west ranges from mediocre to non-existent
>>80351624
>the fed wouldn't print dollars to loan the government to cover it's debt service needs.
>Chinese military invasion.. China starves
>>80353544
We just diverted from the "pattern", it is 8 July and the share price hasn't tanked since the "You are Here" mark.
>>80353873
spadnij trupem zydowsko kurrrrrwo
>>80348173
whywhy?
Can anyone quickly redpill me on the expected happenings in the event of the Deutsche Bank crashing? I struggle to understand modern economics so please keep it in simple terms.
>>80347758
Wtf, what happened to Monte Paschi? It dropped from 9,45 june 2015 to 0,25 € today wtf
>>80353959
your dollars are worthless, ameriboo, they may as well give the Chinks clean paper.
>>80354030
"pattern" analysts are as credible as voodoo priests.
>muh graph
the biggest retard in the thread always.
>>80353553
saving this pepe
>>80349767
Also, if you don't physically hold your gold, you haven't bought any.
Funny thing.
A friend of mine with a small bussines was called last week to his bank and they told him to prepare for a bad 2017 and not expand, overspend, but instead to downsize expansion and investments. Basically to hold on and not make any move.Seemed strage to me but now makes sense.
t. ...
>>80347758
>Monte Paschi derivatives
in what direction?
>>80354137
basically hysteria
when people star panicking (so when you see it on the news) it is too late for you to buy anything to make a profit out of it.
People will expect the Euro to collapse and will try to transfer funds to other currencies. Most likely USD. Euro collapsing will increase USD (but it will negatively affect the global economy).
Idk too much about buying gold. Gold shills will always tell you "muh end of banking buy gold xdd" but overall gold has always been a safe investment. It's like buying partyhats on Runescape.
>>80349152
This.
There is literally not enough cash in the world to throw into this black hole.
The ECB will do what they did to CYPRUS. All bank accounts will be frozen. No one will have access to money, and they will literally start draining people's accounts to try to bail it out.
After the Greek bailouts, this will be the single largest upward distribution of wealth from the middle classes to billionaire bankers, the world has ever seen.
>>80349152
Can someone explain why this $64 trillion figure is relevant. It's not like DB 'owes' $64 trillion
>>80349767
Based Bill Whittle is that you ?
>>80354555
it isn't. just like people who think us debt is going to "crash" the country. debt doesn't work for countries the same way it works for the goyim.
>>80352114
better than nothing. get guns and a bug out location if you're in an urban area. urban areas will turn into war zones and you won't be able to defend the assets you have.
>>80348585
It wont be global, but it will effect many economies around the world that are dependent on the dollar
and that, in turn will be a catastrophic event for their aims of creating some sort of jew world order.
it'll set the west back a couple centuries.
create new enemies, who will of course will be more than willing to help sponsor and arm "terrorist" organizations like ISIS that want to get back at the west for doing what it did to Iraq.
>>80354538
Except doing this will throw the whole european public in a frenzy and overthrow their goverments the minute it happens.
How fucking deluded are you that you think doing a stunt like this would actually work. The people who have power will rather see the banks fall like Iceland did and but patsy bankers in jail than risk losing the real power they have.
There is no sense to be the king of the ashes.
>>80354538
>There is literally not enough cash in the world to throw into this black hole.
correct, there's not even enough cash to bail out italian banks if they go belly up.
hate to say it but it's gonna be a epic this time.
>>80354938
Im comfy here, you comfy?
>>80354555
Italy begging Germany to be allowed to bail out its collapsing banking sector.
Germany says "nein" to suspending "bail-in" rules.
Italy starts saying Deutsche Bank is radioactive in reprisal. Renzi is basically trying to break Deutsche Bank first so the Germans have to back off.
Bail-in is sensible, it means investors eat the loss before the state does.
Unfortunately this is based on the idea that the investors are hedged institutions who know what they are doing.
In Italy someone had a clever idea a while ago and manipulated the tax code to mean that the investors are "retail" in many cases.
If Italy has to "bail-in" it means many Italians will be destroyed, in an already dead economy, there have been suicides already.
But still Merkel says "Nein!".
Just another day in the EU.
>>80354812
>It wont be global
it will be. everything is intertwined in way you can't separate countries of continents anymore.
>it'll set the west back a couple centuries.
no, not centuries. we'll restart but things will be fundamentally different.
>ISIS that want to get back at the west for doing what it did to Iraq
that's not what daesh is about.
>>80355052
Hopefully some of those fuckers will swing this time around.
They have to answer for their crimes.
Screen cap this post: Time range; few years
Nordic countries are liberal because they are rich, this is why they don’t care about who enters in the country since they always have resources, until they not; then a shift happens, even the most liberal guy will become a fascist when he sees Mohammad in his country when he is struggling to fulfill his dish.
People on the top knows that shitskins have no economic value, since they are too stupid to integrate in the western society, when there is a gap of more than 20 IQ points is physically impossible to have a conversation in which both of the participants can exchange 100% of the desired information, EU IQ: 100+-, Afghanistan IQ: 84. This is why shitskins live in ghettos and no-go zones. Do you really though that people in the top did not know about this? Of course they did, this is why they are sending the welfare checks to buy the next 5 minutes of peace.
>>80355113
but you seem to be saying every economy in the world is propped by and dependent on the west
and thats just utter crock of bullshit, my amigo
>>80354179
What's the rate for plumbers in dollars?
>>80355160
When DB crashes with no survivors, no international institution will be able to save it, no IMF with the special drawing right, no BCE with quantitative easing… nothing, the fall of DB will bring the world to its knees, and specially Europe, bringing governments to the default; no more welfare checks for the shitskins, and they will revolt, but after the crash of DB and the lack of resources the average eurocuck, will no longer be a cuck since he is hungry, this will create the “GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW” and Europeans will stand against the shitsking (Don’t expect some massive war, only tactical army deploys to the no-go zones and a few hundred murders that will bring the heat), this hate will bring with itself a feeling of “European fraternity” and “At the end we are not so different”, the political elite of the EU will use this for a “collective regeneration of the European economical system”, this will tie countries even more, with more common institutions, until a point in which only the European Federation exists.
In politics nothing happens by coincidence and if it happens bear in mind that it has been perfectly planned.
>>80355021
i am. i have a house in the mountains with a water well and stored food for about ten years for my family and a few close friends. and yeah, lots of guns and ammo.
>>80354901
The people won't have a choice.
It already worked in Cyprus, and the USSR did the same thing.
The EU Commission is full of communists and Jews. They do not care about the people.
Do not think for one second that they will not do anything and everything to preserve their precious European Project.
>>80355183
I dont know by If Im a plumber then say hello to my plunger.
and I'd be happy to unclog any shit thats clogging you up with it.
Well as a Brit, I hope article 50 is quickly invoked and we wont be contributing to the bailout for these banks. Especially, when Greece are still due to get their next installment of the bailout soon.
>>80355199
What sort of food have you been storing?
>>80349209
Just like the housing crisis in the US only affected the US, right?
>>80355175
>thats just utter crock of bullshit
actually, it's not. everybody is dependent on the west in one way or another. the financial system is the same all over the world. the only difference is how countries are able to cope with the collapse. poorer countries will have less problems if more people are able to sustain themselves without supermarkets.
>>80355289
Food is all around you, ever eaten another human? tastes like chicken.
>>80355175
ayy lmao, dude thinks the richest trading block can collapse and weaker economies that rely on exports will surely just be fine. way to go Poland, years of drinking that toilet bowl cleaner on the job has made you into an analytical genius.
>>80345618
Don't play the stock market Jesus, you're going to lose your mom's money.
>>80355367
>actually, it's not.
cool story
mountain kike
>>80355223
>Do not think for one second that they will not do anything and everything to preserve their precious European Project.
What you are saying is the thing that would cause this project to come to an abrupt end, retard.
try to make sense within your own scenarios.
>>80355387
Not at all like chicken
>>80355289
freeze dried food of all sorts, corn, wheat and other grains. flour, yeast for baking bread and several 100kg of seeds to grow vegetables. i started some years ago when it started to get obvious shtf is inevitable.
>>80355501
you don't need a degree in economics to know that my friend.
>>80355522
wrong , everything can taste like chicken if prepared correctly
>>80355244
Now that is savage !
>>80355647
perhaps no but then I realize ur a mountain kike and full of bullshit so why pretend.
just stop it, you're not chatting with the average clueless stupid bydlo this pseudo nation is infested with.
I've got my money secured in a very secured place somewhere in the world that will survive western collapse with no effort.
>>80355184
>this hate will bring with itself a feeling of “European fraternity”
Not in italy, it's easy to find antigerman posts back to the cologne scandal on italian social media for nothern countries used to call us racists for the detention centers and european courts pratically stopped our repatration at sea program leading to the current refugee crisis.
>>80355520
How would it come to an end?
They will just suspend elections. The people in power will stay in power. You will effectively have an EUSSR.
>>80345618
What's the problem?. Be irresponsible and greedy. Get wiped out. It's the true capitalist way. Pay denbts Deutsche 'bank' and get fucked.
>>80355266
says the country with the largest banksector in europe
>>80355573
why are the swiss always the most /prepared/ on all of pol?
>>80355774
oh, and it's not swisserland either. :D
>>80355774
comedy gold
>>80355829
Greeks of all people should not what happens when Banks fail to cover their debt.
>>80355936
*know what happens
"gold"
something you dont have.
hehehe
>>80355857
A stress tested banking sector my friend.
Stress tests that Deutsche Bank would fail.
A lot of anti-EU sentiment has always come from the fact the UK actually follows the rules conscientiously. But they always turn out to be a little more "optional" for France, Germany and Italy.
>>80355867
not kidding, in the '60-'80s you were supposed to have food for a couple of weeks at home. gov was sending flyers every few month reminding people what to store. also all buildings had a fall out shelter. prepping is a national past time.
>>80355987
>goldcucks still believing their shiny metal will be of any use after a big happening
>>80355867
The Swiss have been shadowboxing with the world economy since WW2 and they've always been armed and trained to use them. But if it all collapses how secure can it remain?
>>80355825
>How would it come to an end?
>They will just suspend elections.
People won't care about holding fucking elections when they have no means to feed themselves and their loved ones, you fucking retard.
>The people in power will stay in power
by stealing all the money from all the europeans in the EU, they will see themselves hanging.
Try to make your retarded scenarios more believable if you think emptying everyones bank account is the way you think EU will bail-out the banks to preserve itself.
>>80356114
Why that? Out of fear of the Soviet Union?
>>80355936
they default and watch as goymens post a thousand threads on 4chan of "pay denbts"?
>>80354399
Le meme
>>80356001
doesn't matter if stress tested. You know that if one bank bites the dust others will follow. That's no magic. If one global player says goodbye some others will follow. Interesting times we are living in.
>>80356188
Greek small/medium businesses and regular citizen are in a desolate state. They still have food and shelter, but life is not fun for a country on the verge of a default.
>>80355244
It's not cheap here, $40-60 / hour.
What's the rate in Poland?
>>80355973
No they must be held accountable.
Banks are not some divine entity to be worshipped and adored at all costs.They must burst their bubble, even if that means temporary misery for the people.
>>80345618
idk, the racewar might beat deutschebank to it
>>80356173
yes. soldiers would get not only a rifle and ammo to take home but also anti-personal mines and explosives depending on your training. during a generalmobilmachung you were supposed to fight your way to the next rally point. before army reduction in the '90s we were able to mobilize 1mio fully armed and equipped soldiers within 24h. back then there were only about 6mio people.
>>80356114
invest in chocolate. I heard it helps treating depressions
>>80356291
is that why your chancelor needs an EU army? To bully grease around with?
fortunately thats not looking like it's goign to happen anytime soon, so I guess your shitty banks made a shitty deal by loaning them money in the first place, thinking they would extort interest out of them.
>>80356282
How is that a meme you fucking nigger.
How are you going to collect your gold when everything goes to shit?
>>80356295
From a moral point of view, there is little doubt about this.
Bad thing is, banks are linked closely to their lenders and debtors, dragging them down along in case of bankruptcy.
>>80356434
It was more than just a shitty deal, it was an immoral deal - as many lenders knew very well the taxpayer would pay for their bets.
>>80356410
yes, you can get army chocolate, lasts for at least 20y. sugar and salt is also important.
gotta go lads, youngest has to go to boyscouts, can't start soon enough to get used to basic survival skills.
>Bought 200 ounces of silver at about 13.75 per ounce back in January when people said not to bother.
>Price is now at 20.50
Waiting for it to dip below 19 before I throw down for another 50 ounces. Silver has been so undervalued over the past few years, and if shit hits the fan, I got some shinies to barter with.
What are the best books on derivatives and the modern banking system?
I've already read "When Genius Failed", "Too Big To Fail" and "The Big Short".
>>80355987
burn of the century
brb gonna cry myself to sleep
>>80356544
>Moral.
>Capitalism.
there is your problem.
>>80356632
thanks for the (you)
here's one back
you can use it to buy food and vodka with when yurope is a festering poor whorehouse unable to feed it's population anymore.
>>80356434
>is that why your chancelor needs an EU army?
Germany and the West in general doesn't need nor want an EU army, the shitty postcommunist states like Poland do.
>>80356592
>shit hits the fan
>muh silver
>cant drink it
>cant eat it
>doesnt help with hygiene
>isnt medicine
>doesnt provide protection against attackers
>not a weapon
>not a tool
>not shelter
>doesnt provide energy
>doesnt help with transportation
You silver will be SOOO useful
>>80356637
found the moral relativist.
>>80356434
Isn't poland the one who gets all the benefits? f that shitty bank is going down you have to deal with it too. It's not that "deutsche bank" means it's just a local bank. It's a global player madame. And our chancellor isn't the only actor in the EU what you like to forget all the time. It's just that germany is one of the few states that pay in more into the EU than they get out of it. I know, we are the evil nazis yadda yadda.
Hope it's end of season soon and winter will come.
>>80356172
You seem to have a very short memory of the types of Governments that have existed in Europe in the 20th Century, and the things that they did.
Socialism and Communism has violently killed over 100 million people already. Do you really think that the people in power wont do it again?
>>80356790
>>isnt medicine
silver is actually used in medicine
>>80356544
That's what's happening here. It's just that it's happening at a slower rate because of that famous 'bail-out'. You can't delay the inevitable for very long.
The fall will be even harder then.
I say let them fall. Wisdom comes through suffering. Make a new beginning.
>>80356790
It's the best anti-bacterial agent there is actually.
>>80356822
actually
no
no we dont
we lose more than gain out of it
which is why I've already taped up the EU flags on my license plates with polish flags.
>>80356727
sorry I accidentally shat into your cornflakes broseph, I'm pretty sure the NWO is going to refund the damages if you pray to Kek hard enough
>>80356592
i'll just wait for you to starve to death then it is my sliver.
>>80356790
i know 4 of the 6 retail food store owners near my house and they are all aware of the current happenings and problems with inflation. they are all personally open to bitcoin and using US Mint Coins for purchases.
>>80356840
>>80356877
dudes, be honest. sure silver has lot of uses, but not the way >>80356790 means.
I don't see myself licking silver to get well of using it to clean my house.
>>80356840
Cool, so are hundreds of other things that "silver/gold will save my ass during the big happening"-fags never speak off.
Once things are really fucked (again, the scenario metalguys always talk of), you want ACTUAL medicine.
>>80355823
>this hate will bring with itself a feeling of “European fraternity”
Honestly,i doubt that too.We are too different,especially the divide between the northern and the southern countries,the mentalities are too different.Although i could see some sort of Mediterranean union for the southern countries while the northern ones have a union of their own,seems more viable than EU at least.
>>80349209
the crowns (swedish and danish) are little more than a different name x times €1 these days
>>80356292
40-60 worthless toilet paper rolls?
thats not enough to hire me.
>>80349634
>implying money and silverwill be usefull when the Heppening happens
start to how to gardening if you want to survive the next happening.
>All these anti gold/silver fags
You can have survival supplies AND metals you know. Obviously, if things go so bad that money becomes useless, then you want supplies and survival skills to get you through, but things would eventually stabilize, and precious metals have never once lost their value as currency.
>>80356988
It's good against the smell of onions
>>80356988
you can kill werewolves with silvers making silver arrow tips and bullets
and with all these germans into furries n shit, I suspect silver will be the only thing that'll kill a german
>>80350163
Gold was pretty much the only way to trade between countries
>>80357286
that would explain why fmpE5n+t is buying in droves
>>80356637
In the current state, it is, but a Capitalism of responsibility for yourself and others would be just as possible.
It is the deregulation of banks and a process called financialization that led to the state we are in.
>>80356848
Your prime minister, Tsipras, intended to crash Greece out of the EU into a bankruptcy. But I doubt this "new beginning" would be pleasurable.
>>80356906
>we lose more than gain out of it
Every EU country claims to be a victim of the EU. Then tell me who is a benefittor, if not Poland?
>>80357013
>Once things are really fucked
I will just kill myself. If the shit hits the fan so hard that gold doesn't help me one bit, it means that the world is not worth living in anymore. I won't fucking go innawoods to live in some shitty cabin and eat canned foods for 15 years while worrying about getting raped, robbed, beaten, killed and/or eaten by hordes of savage niggers. If the world becomes an episode of Last of Us/Walking Dead/Mad Max, I'll just shoot myself in the head and roll for a new life.
>>80357610
Capitalism -> Capital gain -> PROBLEM <- "responsibility for yourself and others"
>>80357425
underrated
>>80357754
What a defeatism
>>80356790
>basing your investment on the idea that the world will turn into literal zombie apocalypse with zero civilization left any day now
That's not how the SHTF level happening will happening.
>>80345618
>crack
oh wow only spaniards are so retarded they somehow say "crack" instead of crash. I cringe every time I hear someone talk about the "Crack of '29" or shit like that.
>>80357762
Yes and no. Capitalism bought as Golden Ages, and it bought as Great Depressions as well.
>>80357610
And instead he pulled on of the most shamefull backtracks ever. I voted NO last year with the hope that the EU officials will go through with their threats and Tsipra will remain steadfast even if that means exiting the EU.
what is pleasurable after all. Capitalism has inherent development but it has inherent destruction also. It's circular not linear.
>>80358037
Communism put the URSS on your home and the man on space and everyone talks shit about it
>>80357754
The only logical solution is for you to start working out, get stronger and become well trained with weapons.
> once shft you will not be the one getting raped, robbed, beaten, killed or eaten but you will be doing those things to others.
>>80358001
So it will just end up in the nice degree where stocks will be much worse than metals for a very long time, but society still works well enough that metal is better than all the stuff I listed, and the governments who all own enormous amounts of gold certainly wont fuck with its price durring that crisis because they are nice like that.
Oh, and no one will think of confiscating gold, never happened before.
Im not even investing for any kind of happening m8, I just cant comprehend how starving/ill people always think anyone will give a shit about their shiny metals after the MASSIVE happenings they keep talking about.
>>80351760
THIS.
>>80351687
Get both. Silver is a bit more speculative. Gold is the ultimate safe haven, it's been true for thousands of years. It doesn't decay, it doesn't rust or tarnish. You can bury under the ground or throw it in a well, it will still come out fine in 100 years.
I'm wondergin... what will happen to the guys on the space station during the happening? Will they starve to death? there will be infight? this is probably an interesting side no one talks about
>>80358127
If you believed they put a man on the moon, man on the moon
If you believe there's nothing up his sleeve, then nothing is cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hKSYgOGtos
I like this song
Im sure you like this song too
>>80358258
I have European coins that pre-date the two world wars. They're still worth as much as they were before.
It's a way to preserve wealth. It will be useless if society becomes a global Mad Max scenario, that's true, but in that case we'll have other things to worry about.
Every other scenario that is not a complete collapse of global civilization, you'll be fine with gold.
