I'm curious, what makes most people on /pol/ want a return to traditional values?
>>80315987
>>80314779
I believe my parents generation of Jews did awful things they felt were justified by others doing awful things (the holocaust, WW2) in order to magically prevent more awful things from being done to them and I want to see how I can fix this with my generation of jews.
Lol that's the logo of a shitty dindu streetwear brand.
http://www.shoptradition.com
>>80316207
Oh well, its an important topic at least and I'm glad OP made the thread. I don't want to go too far with our generation's reactionary tendencies (a la Trump) that we end up having long term negative consequences and short term positive ones because that's what our progressive parents did and now we know better.
>>80316207
>I dindu nuthin.
I literally just found the one on google that looked suitable for a pic.
I despise nigger behavior, also they are incapable of having a nuclear family to cement their values.
>>80316412
I only want a return to some traditional values, only because I want people to be nicer to each other, since I see so many people these days being complete dicks.
>>80316757
I am the opposite I think we have tried to enforce collective moralism vs intuitive moralism (which Jesus wanted) and people will be mean to others not like them no matter WHAT you do, so we'd better find a solution that WORKS, not one that is POPULAR or seems cuddly and socially acceptable since we tried that in the 1960's with progressivism and it has set us back to the point where us, as millennials, are the first generation in the history of capitalism to be poorer than our parents and I seek to reverse that, even if its in an unpopular way, and Trump is some sort of magically smart thinker who despite being a boomer, for whatever reason, goes against their previous ideas of "things that sounds good short term and will be approved and make me money and help me gain power, regardless of consequence"
>>80317323
I agree with a lot of what you said, the world overall sucks and most people are really bad. The only reason I try to be a good person is because i believe it's the right thing to do.
>>80317492
Well even if being a good person is NOT the right thing to do, I'm doing it anyways because I feel the boomers did a fuckton of stuff where the end justified the means and what they did was less evil than le Hitler le Holocaust meme and they ended up fucking things up for their kids so they could get wealthy and I am not wealthy enough to afford that luxury.
>>80318339
The boomers were too shortsighted in my opinion, the same you could apply to the roaring 20s from what I know.
>>80318637
Well yes so how can we learn from their mistakes. Lets say another George Soros rich autist rises from the mist of my generation saying socially acceptable things with awful counter-intuitive long-term consequences. How can we stop them?
>>80318993
That is an answer I do not know.
The relentless wave of pointless bullshit constantly coming out. So much shit to # and tweet and stand up for, so many fucking ribbons and causes and groups. So much rhetoric everyday that the one thing that sounds amazing is just shutting it all the fuck out. Starting a small garden/farm and getting a nice Christian wife to care for away from it all in the grace of God's land (nature).
I rather dive deep into my thoughts and pray to something omnipotent that may or may not be there, then to constantly have to try and keep up with the 1st world's bullshit ideals.
>>80319320
Well then we need to work on that as /pol/ hive mind.
What I have learned from my parents gen mistakes (I don't say parents since I got lucky and my parents live amongst evil jew 'lumiinati but don't buy into it themselves apart from my mom feeling obligated to show up to services sometimes because she likes feeling part of a larger group, that truth exists in consensus, not idea, and I believe Judaism supports this idea.
>>80319383
Well that's what Hispanics do.
>Everything is bad
>Why fix it when Jesus will after I die
>Do nothing, next generation equally as fucked
>>80316106
>holohoax
>>80315987
Traditonal values will make Whites Great Again
>>80319457
Working together to solve problems through discourse and discussion of why the problems are reason they are is the best start, and usually how I prefer to solve my personal problems.
>>80319383
I try to avoid keeping up with the jones' and just do my own thing
>>80319601
Yes I said that in another post that I believe the holocaust was deliberately exaggerated (people died but from famine and disease mostly as in any war) to prevent it from happening again to wealthy yet marxist jews who wanted to b greedy without consequence while appearing moral a la Wolfowitz (literally my neighbor as a kid) and Soros.
>>80319936
Well if Nazis and jews can sit down and come up with a consensus idea for how to do something, anyone can, no?
>>80320102
Yeah I think people need to be willing to though, and that's a big problem today since too many aren't willing to swallow their pride.
>>80318993
You need to hunt them down really. Make sure marxists can never again gain a foothold in academia, hollywood and media.
Those ideas are designed to destabilize society. Promoting them on a large scale is an act of war.
>>80320176
Well I've been consciously excluded from society for a young age for being gay and different so I never had the chance to be prideful.
>>80320188
Well yes, but I think we need to find a way of logically doing it that doesn't involve murder.
>>80319533
Well i'm not doing nothing. I work with kids and do multiple summer camps for the poor/unfortunate. I take them out fishing and hiking, help them identify plant species and discern fear from real danger. It's like boy-scouts or something of the like, except my colleagues and I try and bring out the best traits in them (individuals) instead of molding them all into the same cast. I only end up working with 30-50 kids a year, but I know them all by name and many of them are (as we'd say here at /pol/) red-pilled as fuck now.
I'm not saying become some lazy bible huger and do nothing but feed yourself and your family and pass the buck onto the next generation without at least educating some of them. I'm saying drop all that is not essential and find your humanity.
>>80315987
Conservatism probably has the highest correlation.
>>80320431
It wasn't logic that stamped out Nazism. It was millions of dead Nazis and the American flag over Berlin.
>>80320188
Again Marxism, to me, is dangerous because communism DOES work if you are a small group of people forced to work together living amongst a larger group that hates you, like the jews did, but when you are no longer oppressed (instead jews run things) it causes the opposite effect when rich people claim they want communism and instead oppresses the already oppressed while claiming to do the opposite, because Marx was a prime example of when Atheistic Jews try to rebel against their jewish parents with a secular but noble framework and end up just doing evil by being without the moralistic influence of religion binding their actions.
Being told by my mother that I "have to go to college, have to get a job, have to make yourself happy instead of a man, have to show men you're not to be walked all over". That I'm more important than a man simply because I have a vagina. That women should be allowed to fuck whoever they want with no consequences.
All this from a woman who became a single mother not once, but twice and her longest relationship was with a nigger who she basically cucked emotionally.
Yeah, no. I wanna be a housewife.
>>80320441
Yeah if I weren't gay ( a guy accused me of being a pedo at summer camp, saying "I didn't know they let fags take care of children when I was working as a counselor, I punched him later, I got fired) I would work with kids too but I think there's still a ton of inherent hostility and resentment towards gay males that we pretend has been magically solved by gay marriage.
I kind of like the idea that you had to actually do something to survive in past generations.
Men took everything they had, wife and children in tow, and just went out into the wilderness to find something they could call their own. Descendants of white Europeans settled this entire country and turned it into the most powerful nation in the world.
It's mind-boggling when you compare it to today's society. I can't even change my own fucking oil in my car. And then you have scores of people living off of the government, and they STILL have the gall to complain, blame white people, say they hate America.
Our ancestors built this country from FUCKING NOTHING. That's the human spirit. That's white pride. And now here we are.
I don't know if what I've retardedly described above is even close to answering the OP, but I don't know how to better express what I mean.
>>80315987
>traditional values
this is a meme, /pol/ doesn't give a shit, they just hate CURRENT YEAR
>>80320431
Well we don't have to kill them. Just make sure there are some consequences.
>>80320631
Well yes, but the force had a justification it wasn't just killing indiscriminately anyone who was Nazi in the US, it was going to war, carefully, with Germany.
When I had my first job at a grocery store when I was 16 I noticed how much food would get thrown out every night. Like a LOT of food. Edible food. We were even told we could take any and it had to be thrown away.
That was what made me really start to question modernity and capitalism. I mean why produce more than you can sell? Why not give away "trash"? What's the point of catching fish in California so they can be frozen, shipped to Asia on a huge boat, thawed, gutted/cleaned, frozen again and sent back to America.
Why?
I was raised in the old south and went to all male prep school that was described as "a bastion of seccession" by occupying union Generals.
So I guess that's why
>>80320755
Well , I don't want a full return to primitivism but I believe a balance of that and the urban decadence and its problems is better than ghettoization for some at the bottom, wealthy suburbs for others at the top, rural shitholes for those in the middle system that we have now
>>80315987
I think that it's due to the west becoming morally, spiritually and culturally a wasteland, and something is missing inside all of us.
It's natural to want to return to a time when things made sense
When there wasn't so much confusion
When men knew what they believed, and why they believed it, and there was no insane, confusing bullshit to deal with.
I look at my father and he has this confidence that stems from his up bringing. I don't mean outward confidence either, I mean that he has a concrete world view, and lives by his principles, because he was brought up in a more conservative environment.
I on the other hand, have barely scraped together a coherent worldview, and it changes every day.
I look for it in philosophy, history, biographies of great men, and it's harder than it should be.
>>80320783
Well such as?
>>80320913
I should have gone to an all male prep but my parents (and I) feared I would have been bullied for being gay when in reality my co-ed prep school bullied me harder than I could imagine.
>>80320954
Well but Hitler thought that, got high on meth and neither accomplished what he wanted (kill the jews) nor won the war, he was just suicidal and who knows what was ACTUALLY going through his head as a kid and young adult that led him where he went.
There seems to be a disconnect with reality in modern society.
>>80320944
I agree with you. I guess what I'm trying to say is that life used to be hard. Life is too fucking easy now, even for the "poor" and "starving" in this country. Life is so fucking easy and we are so entitled that we actually have things like the SJW movement and BLM.
Life became so easy that we've had to invent difficulties where none existed, and exacerbate what challenges there are to living a comfortable life.
I work 70 hour weeks so when I buy my own land, I'll only have to work sparingly to provide after gardening and hunting. Ill achieve it, even though I'm taxed for bounties of public services I don't use. But if I can't find a woman to have white kids and take care of a home on the country side; I think I'm just gonna open a gym, start binge drinking and smoking more, and let the blood line die off. Theres a reason I didn't join the army. I'm not gonna defend
>A FUCKING LEAF
>>80321131
Yes but how can we fix it and where do we start? I mean I think Trump is step 1 he's the only boomer who is neither progressive left nor religious right, but then we need to have him help Gen X, and millennials raise their kids to avoid the mistakes of the boomers.
>>80321128
That's scary, that you compared me to Hitler in a way that wasn't
You're racist or something.
Hope I'm not like him
>>80321373
Oh I know you weren't being full retard but I know others abuse it when people say that so I wanted to clarify so someone couldn't distort you.
>>80321036
Basically how it works out.
Went catholic school. Priest were Borderline Tradionalist with a capital "T"
They never softened the message of morality but they and the rest of the student body was always tolerant and open everyone. Took the whole hate the sin love the sinner seriously.
Benefit of a male school was they could discipline us as much as necessary without any blowback. We learned respect.
>>80321479
Well in the sense that Hitler probably, to me was a neo-pagan who thought going back to the old ways in some fashion, in the fast of fast and intense progress (the industrial revolution) would unite a people (it did unite the catholics and protestants) but he underestimated severely his own competence, overestimated his brilliance, and underestimated the influence of American Marxists to convince the US to thwart him.
>>80315987
I want a return to traditional values because my parents were raised with them, I was raised with them, and I've always noticed the difference between myself and the people around me because of how I was raised.
Ive noticed a lot of people I know make fucking dumb choices. Not always huge impact fuel ones, but just little ones. Like they don't even try to do a good job at work. They don't give a ahit about being in relationships that mean anything and motivate them to ANY degree.
They've largely been raised by complete losers who never teach them the value of self respect, whether as an individual, or a larger sense of communal identity. It's disgusting.
I want people to have a sense of self respect for themselves, and what they do. In doing so, I want them to extend that to their relationships, and not only motivate those people, but be motivated by those people. Be an example to their kids by supporting their spouse and doing what is needed to keep the family functioning.
I just want society to stop fucking falling apart and people to realize that life isn't as bad as you think, and it's ultimately changeable when you do something about it. Like holy fuck, how did we get to this point?
>>80315987
>I'm curious, what makes most people on /pol/ want a return to traditional values?
My religion, Christianity. According to the Bible:
>there are 2 genders, not 31
>women should be submissive to men because they fucked up in Eden
>faggotry makes you go to Hell
>God is willing to forgive anything, but only if you repent
>Therefore, unrepentant fags and whores will go to Hell
Perfection. You can't name a better religion than traditionalist Christianity.
>>80321682
Same. I had a pretty traditional family (leftist but like moderate democrats, no sympathy with socialism and political in hopes of being socially accepted rather than sincerely hoping for marxism or fascism to win or something like that) and theres not a ton of divorce or fist fighting or drug use, and 0 jail time for people in my family and we help each other, half the family is jew, half is christian, everyone somehow manages to get along, so why can't others.
>>80321913
He won't forgive blasphemy against the holy spirit though
>>80321913
Well I am gay so that hurts anon. I might be going to hell but I'm not hurting you here on earth and I sincerely doubt Jesus hated gays and certainly supported the oppressed and minority (prostituted, the poor) and wanted intuitive moralism not knee-jerk reactionaries and intended to prove that those could be separate but failed because Paul was a subversive jew who used Jesus as a springboard for evil ideas.
>>80320901
because when you try to regulate things to their extreme and only send out what you think people need, millions of people starve to death. the soviets tried it, and it failed horribly. There is no equation or model you can use to accurate predict how much stuff the entire population will consume on a regular basis. On tuesday maybe your store goes all day without selling a single donut and you have to throw them out, but on Wednesday you sell every single one and make a profit. If you didnt stock donuts on Wednesday then people would first complain, and then shop somewhere else.
>>80322148
This. Capitalism doesn't anticipate the irrationality of man nor does Communism thus bother are idealistic opposites that should be deemed too extreme when not tempered by consensus decision making and acceptance that some things will happen via skill and some by luck no matter how moral one is so expect the unexpected.
>>80315987
I hate traditional shit because I'm not white and traditional values are against me.
>>80322369
At least you admit it, most nonwhites don't and therein lies the rub.
>>80322558
How could they lie about being non-white when someone can see their skin colour?
>>80321960
My family is Catholic and on the right. They put me through private school my whole life, and I've seen friends from all kinds of backgrounds with absolutely zero grounding just losing their minds.
Its terrible to see because they always ask me how I manage to get by and not constantly be scrounging for money and stay healthy. When I explain the values that I live by, which came from my religious/political/familial upbringing, they just get offended and tell me it's privilege, or just ignore every bit of advice I give them.
Turns out if you don't spend all your cash on weed, booze, and videogames to indulge every week, you can do pretty decently.
>>80322369
Why not include non-whites in traditionalism?
I mean, really what's not to like about the family barbeque that whites practically invented? Why shouldn't all americans, regardless of colour or creed enjoy the pleasures of the white mans culture?
Surround yourself with family and friends, enjoy some beer and food, I think that's something that everyone can aspire to enjoy.
It's the American way bud, dont oppose tradtionalism, allow yourself to be assimilated by it. You may not be white in colour but you can be white in spirit, and that counts for something.
>>80322675
They can lie about hating traditionalism saying they hate it because its evil not that they hate it because it was come up with by non whites and isn't their values systems. They usually are quick to denigrate but reluctant to admit truly why.
>>80322835
Yeah I'm a neet, sadly, but honestly I've seen other NEETS who have it so much worse; my parents are together, I have my own apartment, my sister lives nearby and I can see her kids on weekends and my parents sometimes for family togetherness. I don't live wealthy but I have everything I need.
I think a lot of the "traditional" values we talk about require some sense of self-discipline and loyalty. Basically, values that, when you take them to heart, help you achieve your goals and foster better relations with other people.
That's what the romanticized "return to traditional values" entails, and I think it's perfectly valid even though there have always been "degenerates" even in "traditional" societies
>>80322876
Because they cannot make themselves , deep down, support a system that wasn't invented by them and will always try to subvert it consciously or not with the idea that their people know better and could do better if in power.
>>80323113
I want to believe Ameribro. So badly I want to believe that the world can be white if they just fucking assimilate.
Make Residential Schools Great Again.
I'm curious to know, if those who want to "go back in time" and believe in "traditional" values ever make connections to say, freeing slaves = polio cure. gay rights = cure to cancers. Instead, I know many people tend to associate it as gay rights = tornado in BFE Georgia. Why would anyone glorify the polio, Syphilis, mad cow disease, etc. This is literally the best, brightest, and most classy time period that has ever existed to man kind. The year they created a toilet was still a shitty time-period...
>>80323292
Well but Blacks can't assimilate into whites without making whites non-whites and thats why no efforts thus far beyond segregation have helped at all.
>>80322916
Oh true. Mis read what you meant
>>80322876
I am assimilated and used to be a pro-traditionalist until I found out I'm Jewish. My great great great maternal grandmother was technically meaning I am. And it seems like traditional values are all about making the whites in charge again.
>>80323336
Well, exactly, some things were better (slavery was bad because industrialization made it obsolete, not the narrative that it was immoral) and segregation was good for Blacks in terms of promoting assimilation so we have to parse specifically what was good and what wasn't of the past, which I think Trump does more than other Republicans (shit any republican) and therefore is best.
>>80322099
Yes He does, as long as you repent and confess.
Christianity is pretty gr8, m8. You could literally murder 10,000 babies by throwing them off a cliff into a tank of alligators and napalm, but if you genuinely repent, genuinely feel terrible about your actions, and genuinely confess and seek forgiveness, you're all gucci and you'll go to heaven mane.
>>80323552
Jews are whites sweetie. We interbreed lel. We need to merge jews and whites fully tho against the black and muslim menaces so we can lead better lives.
>>80323336
What the fuk are you on about?
>>80323605
So lets say I sell weapons to the Muslims of the middle east, nuclear secrets to the Russians, and child sex slaves to pedos, through a fake charity in the hopes nobody will find out, would repenting and confessing fix all of that?
>>80323639
Jews are white? But Jews (modern ones) come from Khazaria which was in Asia so if anything we interbred with Asians.
>>80323379
I was referring to assimilation through education, not through breeding. Abolish their language, take them from their families and educate them as whites from the ground up, the idea of "being black" will not exist, there would only be the European way.
But I suppose you do have a point, there will always be some pushback against anyone's culture and identity. You certainly make a point there.
>>80323552
Yes, until you found out about your jewish heritage, so what changed? The sins of the father should not be your responsibility. Start with a clean slate senpai, that's the beauty of the New World.
It's not necessarily about whites being in charge, it's about white culture replacing barbarism and tyranny.
>>80323811
You have been reading stormcuck too much. Ashkenazim come from Russia and Germany via Iran and points south, and are probably about 70% euro 30% semitic and there ARE Bukharian jews but they aren't the majority. We came to RUSSIA through the Steppe but we were in Israel before the Steppe.
>>80323336
I hear you, but it's the cultural aspect for me more than anything. It's more about watching, reading, and listening to stuff that more or less promotes decent living.
Not that there aren't figures in the world that do, but I feel the rate of single mother births, and the rate of crime in black communities definitely has something to do with it.
Science is dope. I don't have a problem with progress so long as the poorer groups can maintain themselves until the future techs that come along make it down to them.
>>80323959
Thats a good idea then. But I feel like I can never be accepted by the alt-right because im jewish. The only reason i keep coming here is I developed an addiction before I looked back and found Jewishness. thanks for the statement about having a clean slate though.
>>80323959
> Abolish their language, take them from their families and educate them as whites from the ground up, the idea of "being black" will not exist, there would only be the European way.
We literally tried all of those things lol and none of it worked because nobody wants their kids to be uglier and dumber than them by breeding with blacks and blacks don't have any neanderthal blood and so they ARE NOT equal.
>>80323605
Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin.
I hope I've never done it as a joke that I've forgotten about.
>>80324140
Tell that to Milo. There are plenty of Jews, like me who come here and embrace pan Abrahamism (minus Islam which is cancer-version), that Christians and Jews have more similar interests to each other that need to be worked on and held in opposition to pagans and Muslims.
>>80315987
I was raised with traditional values. Wore my first tie when I was four, no shit. Went through Catholic schooling, attended a Latin Mass, had a decently big family, and loved everything. My father attended Dartmouth, my mother never worked, and they love each other. My mother's family has been in the New World since 1636.
My family was law-abiding and fiscally well-off. My brother was inspired and went to the police academy and is now a detective, my oldest sister married a financial adviser, my other sister entered the convent, and I entered the seminary. While I discerned out of the seminary and ended up enlisting, traditional Christian values have been important to me.
My upbringing and family life seemed perfect, ideal, and beneficial to me, my community, and my family. I wish everyone to have similar opportunities; given this I find myself wanting and demanding a return to Old America, stable family life, and reverence for God.
>>80323959
Oh yes I agree with that part of Christianity that the sins of the father are not our sins but we are responsible for fixing our parents missed (neocon bs, SJW stuff) as best we can no matter what.
>>80324067
Really? I wouldn't want to tell other alt-righters but I kinda like the narrative that we came from Khazaria and lied about our heritage. Kinda is a cooler story
>>80324265
Well that does make me feel better about being a nationalist (non-traditionalist but I will look more into it). Just wondering what is your views on Israel as a Jew? Some said it's a corrupt states that controls Hillary. Others say it is a based state and that's why the U.N is against it.
>>80324149
It worked with natives up here for a while. Blacks are a different animal entirely though, I don't think I'm qualified to speak about that can of worms tbhfampai. Best of luck in the American race war.
>>80324140
You're not a jew unless you practice, your mothers and fathers and whoever else may be jewish but you present yourself with a choice to resist your hereditary jewry. Forge your own place in the Americas.
>>80324401
Fixing the problems our fathers created is a noble goal, however I believe that we must move forward rather than atoning for sins made generations ago. The sooner we let go of that, the sooner we can start advancing as a society again.
IMO anyways.
>>80324644
>You're not a jew unless you practice, your mothers and fathers and whoever else may be jewish but you present yourself with a choice to resist your hereditary jewry. Forge your own place in the Americas.
Not true it's still in my genes.
I mean, "traditional" values could mean a wide range of things, however, to me it more or less dignifies the past (say 80 years ago). However, those values also tend to come from the past, and so on, so forth. I also assume most people tend to associate it with Christian values, more than others, as I am from the US myself.
When comparing "values" from the past to more modern day thinking, do people make connections to say, "spanking children causes cancer" (like a butterfly effect, like how Obama caused Tornados). Or the creation of Twitter lead to the cure for cancer. Instead of negatives, like gay people ruining this nation, maybe... giving gays rights lead to the cure for cancer. Maybe, just maybe, that the time period these "traditions" many speak of came from were during the opposite of the Renaissance. (A de-enlightenment period - basically - more Ape like). If one were to believe in anything, or believe in something similar to evolution (but not entirely). Would it be possible for humans to have stayed exactly the same as they would have during the 1600s? I mean, those people did not even know what a germ was, let alone speak on values and "how to live properly". What if, in the future, they wish they could come back to 2016 values? Or should they go further back?
>80323699 meant to @ you. 80325011
>>80324644
Like the big difference is whites and everyone but Subsaharan africans have at least SOME neanderthal DNA and that advanced prep for winter gave whites brainpower that subsaharan africans did not need in a warm wet climate and don't have so when you import then to a colder place you have a problem,
>>80324824
Well yes but my friend, for instance his dad is a jew but his mom is not so he's technically not a non jew so he moved to Hungary to convert formally to reform Judaism and has really enjoyed the experience thusfar, whereas my mom is a jew and my dad converted so I have no such obligation and was raised much more religiously than him, albeit reform.
>>80324136
What I told you, single mother births is leading the nation to the discovery of all cancers? If you believe in God, what if this is exactly what they wanted? Like God is rewarding us with cures, a better intelligence, a better understanding. How do we know if the 2nd coming of Jesus is already on Earth and has a new message for the people?
>>80325522
Do you support Israel?
>>80325723
Not really. Perhaps as an emergency state needed if the happening happens again to us jews but most of the time it is used as a military base for the US in everything but name and the rest of what it does is promote degenerate non-assimilationist Orthodox Judaism that does not work in the West.
