Are porn and internet addiction fucking society over?
>>80273154
It was fucking my life up for a while
>>80273239
Yeah? What did you do to temper it?
>>80273154
yes. /thread
>>80273154
Yes, porn needs to be banned completely. It's harmful to our society.
>>80273443
I got a gf and then I when it came down to fug I realized I wasnt getting turned on anymore and couldn't stay hard. So in pretty much quit looking at porn cold turkey and after a while I was normal again. The shame of not being able to get an erection with a girl was motivation enough
>>80273893
The same could be argued for the internet as a whole.
Of course
>>80273154
Internet addiction yes
porn no
>>80274203
Elaborate a bit on this if possible.
>>80273893
>>80273982
The same could be argued for alcohol.
>>80273154
no.
Blaming the internet for society being in the shitter is retarded. As with most problems its the people.
The internet is filled with a lot of useful information it is the people who try to implant their ego into it that fuck shit up.
>>80274274
and pork
>>80274393
Society is only as good as the people who inhabit it, so using that logic, the internet should be blamed.
>>80274442
Go to hell Ahmed
>>80273936
Greentext your embarrassment the moment it went soft, anon.
>>80274524
You even read what you wrote?
>>80274720
Address it, then.
>>80274839
>>80274524
>Society is only as good as the people who inhabit it.
>the internet should be blamed.
internet is not just a society it is also information.
Blaming information is just retarded. But book burned gotta do something in this day and age i guess.
>>80273154
Yeah, but is hard to quit.
>>80275712
Just cut down, I quit alcohol, tobacco, masturbating and porn. Now my addiction is going to the gym and reading my bible
>>80274714
>getting my dick sucked
>decide nows the time
>get her to get on top of me
>it goes in fine
>realize I'm not feeling anything
>dick totally numb
>dick deflated and just flops out
>she tries everything to get me up again
>after a few minutes "it's ok anon, we don't need to have sex for me to be happy with you"
>>80273893
Full prohibition is not the right way to go about it as it can backfire.
You need to educate people. Governments, media, parents etc need to instill healthier morals into children and adolescents. I feel like western society has become too complacent and everyone is indulging in their primal desires without any control whatsoever, all barriers have been broken.
Basically we need to hold ourselves to higher standards.
>>80275532
>i don't know what information overload is: the post
>>80273154
No. It's niggers and Jews.
>>80275963
It needs to be banned, completely this includes a ban on distribution and production. Prostitution too needs to be banned. Porn producers and pimps need to be hanged for their crimes against the people.
>>80274274
>lips that touch liquor shall not touch ours
>>80276450
A prude woman is a good woman
>>80273893
I think it can potentially be a form of social pruning. Granted, we are evolutionarily incapable of processing porn, most former addicts know this. But, those without foresight will continue to use it, and cause severe damage to themselves. Those who are autistian enough to know the reality these 2d, and now 3d pixel whores and the (((people))) who control porn as an industry will stop using it.
Its kind of cleansing the beta ranks, and making our enemies stronger.
>>80275975
lol! Its ok man. you just hate what you don't understand. which is the internet. And you assume everyone else struggle as much as you do.
Isn't nofap just a meme anyway that doesn't change anything?
>>80276658
In some ways it's good, it let's us know who's a degenerate but once it becomes normalised that practically everyone uses it well then what?
>>80275829
Cheers anon, I felt like reading a good greentext. You boned her eventually though, right?
Glad you kicked that porno addiction in the end though.
>>80276817
No it changes a lot, take it from me
>>80273154
I fap once a day, whats wrong with that. If I'm too tired or busy I just wont fap.
>internet addiction
There is an enormous difference between being addicted to something and just doing something because you like it and/or don't have anything better to do.
>>80276966
It's unhealthy for your mind and for your spirit, you're not going to get closer to Christ abusing your body like that
>>80276831
I think we're at that point right now anon. Its that way in the states at least. No idea how its going to turn out.
>>80276873
that's all well and good anonymous leaf man but a citation wouldn't go a miss
>>80276816
>because you're arguing that the internet is bad, that means you hate it
Not at all, I'm arguing that it's a destructive force in society on average. Yes there's a lot of good information but the majority of people use it for stupid purposes. That becomes a societal problem when most people use it for unproductive means.
>And you assume everyone else struggle as much as you do.
Nowhere did I state this, but think what you want.
>>80276863
Oh yeah she was really chill with it, we tried again later and it went great. Now I just completely avoid jacking it to porn.
>>80276966
>wmv
>avi
>rm
care to step into this decade anon
>>80273154
nah, there are worse things than porn fucking the society, porn is just one of the symptoms
>>80277119
The problem is if I dont fap, i get aroused on easier, dont last as long, and more likely to find sub-par women attractive.
However, when I was in a relationship, I had little desire to look at porn because I would have sex with her.
>>80276966
Then you're doing it right.
Also OP here and I have to make this as clear as possible: I am opposed to banning these things outright, just want a discussion about their detrimental effects on society which cannot be ignored. There are a whole lot of opinions on both ends and it's vital to see both and which is making the stronger case.
As for you then, then no, you don't have a porn addiction. A 'porn addict' would be one who spends daylight into the start of night stroking his dick.
>>80277498
I had the opposite problem, in almost every way.
>watches Latina milf and chubby chicks
>bangs sub 7 women multiple times
>perpetual regret
>quits porn
>only wants younger, in shape, attractive non-milf women
>lasts literally too long now
>>80277213
You just feel better, like a weight has been lifted off your shoulders I feel like quitting has helped make me closer to Jesus and it cleared up my mind. I didn't waste time lusting after women and watching disgusting videos.
>>80277498
Just learn to control your lust, it's a sin to lust anyway once I've learnt to control this quitting porn and masturbation became so much more easier
>>80273893
So what am I, as a genetically inferior male, supposed to do? I'm not addicted (I can go long periods of time without it and fapping, and have), but it's more pleasurable with it. Are you saying it's wrong for me to experience the most sexual pleasure I can, in moderation, just because I don't submit to the vaginal Jew?
>inb4 hurr porn is owned by Jews
Not based 2D.
>>80277344
watersports goes way back to the early internet bro, its not uncommon to find VHS rips on low quality codes from the mid 90s.
>>80275963
>>80275963
We need porn rations, like food stamp cards for porn so you can only watch a video a week or so.
>>80277958
>>80277951
If it makes any difference, i didnt start masturbating until I was almost 19
Wait until VR, and sexbots, and sexbots that a girl can log into. You ain't seen shit yet. Oh, and quantum computers. And matrix-style plug ins.
Yes.
Whole internet needs to be shut down to save society. Porn is a symptom. Internet is the cause. We need more farmers and these living close to the earth.
>>80278286
>We need more farmers
Most blue collar jobs are falling to automation though, aren't they?
>>80278251
VR is going to be, well, something else. It might make society's current issues look like nothing.
>>80277970
Sex outside marriage is a sin, masturbation is no different from that you're just replacing a woman with your hand and using disgusting images of people who are probably not even married to help fuel these horrible fantasies. Save these thoughts and desires for your wife
>>80277970
Celibacy.
The Christian world used to have a place for people like you to be great thinkers and contribute greatly.
You are much more than sex. You do not need marriage or sex to be a man.
>>80277257
>Yes there's a lot of good information but the majority of people use it for stupid purposes
>>80274393
as i said people are the problem.
Thanks for proving my point.
>>80278549
Then that applies to society.
Thank you for proving mine. Glad we're in agreement.
>>80278120
I started YOUNG.
There may be hormonal differences and things of that nature going on in that regard, but the Canada bro is giving you solid advice.
Most of us, it takes at least 90 days to unplug from the porn machine to see any real effect.
It took me a little longer desu. But I could tell a yuge difference in my emotions and attention span, like I was able to focus better. I got a lot more aggressive too, in a good way though. I wasn't irrational all of a sudden, I was more rational in fact.
>>80278477
Even a wife isnt needed to live a godly life. There is also value in a celibate life. And I think many of the introverted people on this board who fret over women would benefit from considering it.
>>80279004
Chastity used to be viewed as virtuous and respectable. Now in this hypersexualized society it's become a deviant fetish.
>>80278878
Have you ever tried leaving the whole Internet too?
I cant help but feel thst internet itself and especially 4chan is almost as bad as porn.
I feel like the real change woild be a month or more with no screens at all.
>>80273154
>Are porn and internet addiction fucking society over?
Porn is beneficial.
>>80273893
>>80276208
Having someone else restrict you from your primal desires is not the same as overcoming them yourself. How is this any different from welfare?
>>80273893
>Yes, porn needs to be banned completely. It's harmful to our society.
Fuck off, Ahmed.
>>80278878
Does it make it better or worse that none of the videos in my collection contain penetration or a male of any kind?
>>80279236
I'm a Christian
>>80277970
Not criticizing, but you're going to die one day anon. Do you really not want to try at life, before giving up?
There is a bigger picture to life than sex. But sex ties it all together.
>>80279192
>>80279236
Now this, this is fascinating.
So you're pro porn and, judging by your picture, it's an argument against feminism. Which I'd agree with as I don't quite like feminism.
More please, legitimately fascinated with this approach.
>>80273154
No weak faggots who easily get addicted to shit are fucking society over.
>>80279147
I dont know how to explain it, but quitting the internet and 4chan is all about "letting go".
When you realise life can go on without it, you dont worry about it. Shitty explanation I know and Im too tired to write a wall of text on it.
>>80273154
These threads are fucking weird considering 4chan is probably the thirstiest site on the internet.
>>80276503
pretty sure all the people in that photo were men, though.
>>80273154
yes
>>80279493
The stop sounding like a muslim.
>>80279621
And they're increasing with each passing year.
Blame it on the weak all you want, but when the weak outnumber the strong, you have to address that from a collective standpoint. Otherwise you won't have a society left to defend.
>>80279692
Maybe in you're faggot fantasy world where men wear dresses
>>80274442
lost my shit to this image
>>80279793
You soviet cunts killed my family for going to church, I'm not going to stop believing in God no matter how much of my people you killed.
>>80279908
>Adhom, generalization, nonsequitur.
That's noporners' minds in action.
>>80279660
maybe its because deep down we all know there's a problem with porn and with internet addiction
because we're almost all hooked on both
How do I stop fapping bros
I have to once a day or I don't feel right and can't sleep at night or think straight
>>80279648
Its much different for me because i am a programmer. My whole life is digital. I am also autistic and had no social life even before i had the Internet.
I can concieve quitting porn and ive struggled but see it IS something i need to do.
But it is a whole other thing to even comprehend what it would take to quit the internet altogether .
I would need to gain a new skillset and give up my career too. Basically leave my whole life behind.
Also i have many longtime online friends. I really cant let go of them too. And talking to them is one of the best things I've done to cut porn out and keep me busy.
>>80280172
Whatever, I don't care I thought I could still have normal Christian discussions on this site but it's basically an uncensored Reddit.
Sorry I need porn since I don't a have a gf anon other wise not having porn would fucking fuck me over more if we didn't have it.
>>80280593
You do not.
Celibacy is an option.
>>80280527
>I thought I could still have normal Christian discussions on this site
kek, i think you'd mainly find those in the christian generals I see popping up sometime here. otherwise by and large 4chan is not a religious site.
>>80279147
>Quit internet
I have anon. When I didn't need it for work. Feels really good.
>no screens at all
That may be an option sempfam, but you will have to put forth the effort to make that happen. I would say, do your best to not masturbate (don't edge or finish) for 90 days, and then pull yourself away. But, if you know you're addicted to it, the best route may be to find a new, healthier addiction. Working out, a sport, philosophy, meditation, hunting, anything to pull you away from temptation would be good. Definitely try to stay off of 4chan as much as possible when doing this, don't let this place become your replacement addiction.
>>80279349
kek
You're dwelling too much though dude. I don't think it matters as much as you're actively trying to make it. Do your best not to fail, that is all you can ever do.
>>80280527
>I could still have normal Christian discussions on this site
/pol/ is an anti-Chriatian board.
4chan is a porn website.
What's next? Gonna rant against anime?
>>80280697
4chan already is my replacement addiction.
It was the best way ive been able to go a month without porn before.
>>80280713
43% is a minority. You're a Russian Jew. Fuck off.
>>80280697
Thanks friend. I will try my best
>>80280713
>anti-Chriatian
*anti-Christian
>>80280713
I liked dragon ball z and Pokemon when I was a kid I don't see what's wrong with anime it's just cartoons.
>>80280837
There are only around 20%-30% of Christians here. Learn to read infographs.
>>80280802
>4chan already is my replacement addiction.
Jesus, I'd honestly say porn is the lesser of two evils in terms of addiction, but it depends on your personal constitution really.
>>80280666
>kek, i think you'd mainly find those in the christian generals
And even in the Christian General threads, most replies make fun of Christianity.
>>80273154
The internet is like an Abyss. That's how I think of it. You might want to look into it every now and then to get a reality check, but if you get sucked in too far, you'll learn everything there is to know and becoming a gibbering wreck who can't apply it to real life.
Imagine if everyone went on /pol/ for just two months, and then never again. They'd have a new set of glasses to see the world, but they would actually get to see the world.
>>80273154
Dumping stuff. People who really want to change will do it, the others well they will keep finding excuses.
>>80281086
Porn is worse. Even when spending hours on 4chan I am a lot less anxious and more collected when I haven't used it in a week.
>>80281563
As a computer programmer this is whst terrifies me. That I am guilty of promoting and creating degeneracy by my very job. Thing is this is what I am good at.
>>80281928
Interesting, generally I find the opposite to be true.
>>80281805
>>80282040
Well this site is basically fear porn.
When i take time off to go even to other boards I am a lot more relaxed
>>80277329
She sounds like a nice, understanding girl anon.
Speaking of porn. Does anyone have a link to the new High Resolution Blacked or Steapondreamer videos?
>>80281928
>As a computer programmer this is whst terrifies me. That I am guilty of promoting and creating degeneracy by my very job.
I think there will always be traps in life.
The absurdity of life is that everyone eventually learns the same lessons, but nobody else can really teach you them.
You could say that literally anyone who produces content of any kind, is allowing people to get trapped in consumption.
Have you heard of a game called My Little Inferno? It's the most important video game ever made, but people don't want to talk about it because it's too painful. It says the only thing that ever needs to be said.
>>80280802
You've got to avoid porn for longer than that to see the beneficial effects anon. And that's the best advice really; avoid it. Avoid it for 90 or more days, and if you fail, try again, learn from your failure and in that you'll become better You're going to have to learn to deal with different emotions, and it will be a struggle. But its worth it anon.
>>80282090
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWM4bJNpch0
http://pastebin.com/usJTPisW
Yes actually it is. Basically if you consume pornography you are participating in virtual prostitution. Take Lana Rain for example: http://lanarain.com/about-me/
Basically she masturbates on camera and dresses up so she could survive and live on her own. Millions of other examples even when a girl justifies that they like what they are doing through mental gymnastics. Becoming a porn star is akin to social death where you trade in the respect of your family and close friends for the 'adoration' of fans who masturbate to you and have collections of materials of your person to sexually objectify.
Relations between the sexes is fucked up beyond belief and though there are many reasons for why this is, pornography like video games is in a very literal sense fucking up male brains. The following would be a realistic description of what the life of many males (especially here) would be like:
1. find pornography
2. masturbate to pornography
3. play video games that literally train you to kill other individuals
4. consume more pornography
5. consume other media
The reward centers of the your brain are literally fucked and do affect how you behave. Each time you masturbate to pornography or kill someone in a game dopamin is released and many are trapped in an endless cycle of consuming media, playing games, and masturbate. Consume, kill, masturbate.
And the thing is that society is become more and more sexualized. The amount of pornography that has been produced and is being produced is mind blowing. Because males as consumers are creating the demand for it. Basically strong associations are being created in the minds of males related to pornography and it is being carried over to the social realm.
Literally if you want to write a dystopian novel then write about society. Someone out there is man who is alone in his room masturbating and will then kill virtual representations of people in some game he plays.
Really makes you THINK, huh?
>>80282726
Yeah i should stop trying to make it about avoiding the whole Internet and be realistic. Start with porn alone and keep the rest of the Internet so I don't break down.
>>80273154
Sort of.
Too much masturbation causes too much prolactin release.
Prolactin counters the effects of dopamine, and thus lowers motivation and drive, increases appetite and weight gain, and also reduces the symptoms of psychosis.
The answer to this? METHAMPHETAMINE
>>80283014
Sorry for errors, didn't really proofread.
>>80283014
Dont leave out simulating conversation without real people i. e. This site.
This site is just to conversation as porn is to sex.
>>80273154
No, giving women and niggers the right to vote is fucking societies around the world over.
Look at how efficient and prosperous America was when only white land owning males voted. We've gone from a nation of enterprise and creativity to a nation of welfare and political correctness.
>>80282785
Don't eat food. It's bait.
>>80280837
Just curious leaf bro, have you ever done much research on stoicism?
>>80283317
Actually that is correct.
You only NEED one meal a day.
This is why fasting is good.
Almost all food everyone eats today ks unneeded and they are to it.
People should see whst medieval peasants ate and were content with
>>80283014
>pornography like video games is in a very literal sense fucking up male brains
Wow, you're also against computer games that men play.
A lot of male shaming in your post, femishit.
>>80283312
Coincidentally that era was also when TV eas absent from every home and the Computer did not exist.
>>80283220
Comment was too long but you're absolutely right. Social media provides the ability the fulfill your urges of social interaction without ever having to really face them or fear rejection. Kind of why pornography is so addictive.
You can't be rejected. The woman you masturbate can't turn down your advances.
>>80283077
but meth is an aphrodisiac
>>80273154
Nope. The alternative is to instead find a woman to relieve your sexual frustration and after she's tricked you into a legal contract you can live a sexually frustrated life as a slave to your wife's emotions. Bitch and she takes half or more of your assets and future earnings.
I'll fap one out and go to bed instead.
>>80283671
As far as I see the only solution is going full Amish.
They are right about everything. Extremely ahead d of their time. Theu saw the dangers of photography and rejected it in the 1800s.
>>80283599
Bullshit. Women are the problem, with or without TV.
>>80283671
>Kind of why pornography is so addictive
There is no proof that pornography is addictive. Just because you like to watch porn doesn't mean it's an addiction.
>>80282171
I'm pretty sure you'd be surprised how common (or at least not fare) not getting a bone is--whether it's from porn addiction or anxiety or whatever. The average girl who has sexual experience has probably encountered it.
Empathy and basic understanding are also helpful.
It's happened to me a few times like when I got all amped up to bang my gf after a long car ride. I guess it was the excitement or something
>>80283671
Honestly internet anonymity should be banned. Even if feminists do it.
It HAS to happen
>>80283566
I masturbate and play computer games. Though I kind of find games to be a bit boring now. But hardly anybody realizes that most of the games that are being played are quite literally about killing other people to win. Killing high numbers or people in an efficient manner.
The Great Patriotic War is over but we're still playing through it every day.
>>80273154
I know how to cure your internet addiction.
Daily reminder that there are lunatics handing out literature like this on the internet to your children.
http://gunfreezone.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/improvised-munitions-handbook.pdf
It's time for common sense information control.
>>80283916
Would you consider desiring to quit but finding yourself unable to do so addictive?
>>80273154
I don't even watch porn
>>80283916
>in_denial.jpg
>>80283023
Be realistic, but do your best to isolate and avoid temptation. 4chan often has things like exceptional titties and obvious temptations posted regularly. Not to say you can't still come for the occasional redpill, but avoid it when you know you're going to want to look at porn.
If you've ever wanted to learn how to play an instrument, learn how to draw or sketch or get in good shape or anything of that nature, when you're quitting porn is a good time to start. That way, when you pull yourself away from the internet (which is like an autistian battle in itself sometimes) you have something to go to, something to pour your emotions into that isn't degenerate porn.
>tfw shitpost and watch all porn on phone because of habit
>only way to block websites on phone is to root it
>tfw (((they're))) making it harder and harder to root phones, can't find out how to root Galaxy S5
>>80284168
You should keep it that way. Everyone handles it differently, obviously, but for me personally it's one of a few things I wish I could educate my younger self about.
>>80284046
No, it's not desirable to quit porn. Porn portrays women as what they are: Sex objects. That's a good thing with beneficial results, see >>80279192
The whole problem why the West collapses is that women are considered to worthy of having equal rights.
>>80284002
In some ways even the non graphic games are worse in a way.
Fucking Mario bros for example. It encourages senseless killing in a more insidious way if you think about it bexauae making it non realistic COULD be seen as worse. Because you feel less regret in killing when its just a pixel animal but its killing nonetheless
>>80283317
You're shilling, or you have a weak prefrontal cortex. Either way its pretty fucking degenerate.
>>80284274
stop using a smartphone and get a dumber phone goyim
>>80283925
if you don't like anonymity don't come here.
>>80284345
God, who's this girl.
>>80284403
I legitimately think I have this. It wasn't caused by degeneracy, I've always been like this.
Can it be trained?
>>80284345
WHO IS THIS SEMEN DEMON
>>80283741
YES, but you likely will not be able to get off with it for days while using it.
It's the orgasm that produces prolactin, not the masturbation itself.
High dopamine agonism leads to arousal. Prolactin release stops this arousal, and is what causes the refractory period after orgasm. This is also why you can pass out almost instantly after busting off if you've been in a stim-jerk session for a few days. The prolactin counters the dopamine and basically lets your built-up fatigue hit you like a brick.
It's an awesome experience, but takes a lot of mental fortitude to handle without losing your shit.
If you can keep your mind free of arousing thoughts, dopamine stims can greatly improve motivation and drive, used very occasionally.
It's sure as hell fucking me over
>>80284645
Not a meth head here but i have found it is a lot easier to not get the urge to look at porn or fap when i have black coffee regularly.
>>80284344
I first started watching porn fairly late (at 16) so it never really grew on me
I always preferred porn comics and similiar stuff
>>80284645
interadesting
The problem is, im pretty ugly, and theres like zero girls around here that i feel comfortable approaching.
So its either fap, feel tired and lazy, or feel fucking suicidal and angry all the time.
I feel like women are all social media obsessed whores, who will only date you if you have dumb shit like the most trendy clothing, 20k instagram followers, etc.
Women are just an alien concept at this point.
>>80284838
>321 media player
wise choice
>>80285047
I suggest coffee instead of meth. Same idea though.
I have sex with hookers a lot, is that the same thing?
>>80285095
why
>>80273154
only if it interferes with an individual's obligations.
but really those people are unnecessary anyway.
>>80284838
Cuck
>>80285115
do you book them from a website?
>>80278477
>disgusting images of people who are probably not even married
Not based 2D.
>>80284578
I'm sure it can if you apply yourself anon. Age might be a factor, but you can train it with certain exercises.
People who have an underdeveloped amygdala benefit from making art, I've seen studies on this.
Not sure what would help prefrontal cortex though.
>>80273154
Yea. Its also killing our race.
It allows for more whites to be neet beta virgins, while before there was no reason for them to net get out of the house and actually be productive (and reproductive) in the world.
The Internet also allows for things like tumblr which created a wide variety of ailments for society, such as: what we know as third wave feminism, otherkins, furries, glorifying obesity, and putting this "one race" ideology in the express lane.
>>80285097
yeah I'm not much for stims EXCEPT for coffee
I thought cocaine was pretty lame and adderall had an edginess to it on the comedown that I really didn't like. I'm not sure I'd be a big fan of meth.
But I love coffee.. and coffee + maca root = powerful legal stimulation all day.. just don't overdo it
>>80285115
I'd think it was a lot less unhealthy
>>80285299
No, I met one girl online, and she became a regular. Then she introduced me to her other friends, and it snow balled from there. I noticed like a quarter of my contacts were escorts/hookers . I think i lost all motivation to date. What I am asking is, what is the difference between that and masturbation? other than the disposable income.
>>80285028
I dabbled when I was a kid, maybe 12-14ish. My friend and I would watch it. Things really took off when I got my own laptop at 18.
I honestly believe that kids today are fucked. I read shit about 10 year olds watching porn. I really believe that sexual/intimacy norms are going to be really crazy (crazier than they are now) as time goes on
>>80273154
Off topic
SAGE
>>80285825
>sage
>but didn't sage
newfags out
>>80285647
I did notice that I have less mental body image issues. After a few times, i started going to the gym just for myself rather than to look attractive. I also noticed I dont have trouble talking to women now, because now i really dont care about them. I pretty much stopped watching porn though, not sure that also takes into account.
>>80273154
Yes and yes.
>>80285427
One good thing about tumblr is that I follow this cute girl on IG and I found her tumblr and some sexy pics
>>80284578
I'm just realizing this after reading a few articles..
There's been experiment that strongly indicated that the more processing power of your brain you're spending on other things, the less you have to spend on willpower
therefore meditation would seem to be something which could help immensely
>>80284953
>>80285097
Coffee is an adenosine antagonist. Its stimulant effects are markedly different from dopamine releasers and reuptake inhibitors.
However, any stimulant substance can increase productivity and motivation and counteract on apathy if used in certain ways.
It's best to use stimulants for occasional utility in this way, or occasional recreation. Regular use quickly builds tolerance, and with ND-based stims can lead to permanent downregulation of dopamine with heavy prolonged use, and that translates into permanent states of increased apathy and decreased productivity.
Rule of thumb with all drugs: Binging then long periods of sobriety in between is safer than chronic habitual usage by far.
>>80285660
isn't that degenerate? fucking hookers when you could be banging non-hookers?
Also, do they have another clients like you?
>>80285996
That's really interesting.. maybe the best way to combat porn is to legalize and normalize prostitution
The world would be better place
>>80284403
>>80286287
yeah they have other clients, its gotten to the point where they tell me stories about them. And it is degenerate, ive accepted that. I have lived such a clean life, i figured i had room to spare.
>>80286287
seems less degenerate than masturbating alone at a computer to virtual imagry of a person you've never met that's been polished in photoshop and color adjusted
>>80285996
I am actually autistic. As in diagnosed at age 6 before i ever used porn or the Internet or even video games. Most of my young childhood was reading and playing piano. I'm glad my parents pressured me to do music and care about academics or otherwise I would have been just another worthless NEET.
Still can't even comprehend relationships as in cannot even read facial expressions normally. Porn made it worse but i was definitely impaired before.
I have learned to be OK with the idea of celibacy. I've madr peace with the fact that it is perfectly fine for me to not bother with women OR porn.
If a wife comes along I will reconsider but I no longer see marriage as my only potential future.
I plan on going off grid to some extent and gaining self sufficiency. I guess I have some Kaczynski in me
>>80286145
I like to take adrafinil (effectively modafinil) on my day off. There is no stimulant push, it's nice to be awake and productive for your free time.
>>80286593
are you projecting or?
>>80285996
>now i really dont care about them
But you must realize this has less to do with whores and more to do with an abundance mentality. When you JDGAF, women pick up on this and respond well.
>>80286388
I bet the head of the dude that shouted that was MASSIVE.
>>80277329
Are you sure it wasn't nerves anon? This same thing happened to me, but it went away when I became more comfortable with my girlfriend.
>>80286820
I've never used prostitutes, maybe in a way I am because I've been struggling to quit porn. I've quit porn for long periods before, but only when I've had a girlfriend.. and now, trying to quit without one I've relapsed
>>80286935
That's what friends tell me too. They dont know about the hookers, but the sudden shift of social skill raised a lot of flags, and they just assumed i was having a lot of sex. They asked who i was seeing in private a lot.
Nope.
Women having rights pretty much sealed the deal.
>>80286614
Its nice to know you put your time to something meaningful. I have wasted a lot of time. I consider something a waste, if its neither productive or makes you happy. Having sex with hookers doesnt necessarily make me happy, it just stops my boredom. I have a lot of disposable income, and before the escorts, i used to just buy shit on amazon in my spare time.
>>80286084
tumblr is a gold mine for the pranwz.
Tumblr is weird like that. None of it is maped out, but there are different sections that have nothing to do with what we hate.
The amount of good porn on that site is unreal, and I doubt the porn people even know the cancer sections even exist on that site.
Hell, I remember when tumblr was just a bunch of 14 year old girls stealing our
>>80285908
>>newfags out
Your funny.
No, racist ideologies, belief systems that subjugate others to control (i.e. Islam, Christian law), and a complete dissolution of civilized discourse is what is eating away at society.
It's both right and left. Not all blacks are criminals, ignorant, or thieves. Not all cops are murderers, racists, or good cops. Not all whites are racist. Not all blacks are racist. Not gays are faggots. Not all trannies are unstable. Not at all men are rapists. Not all women are manipulative.
This website and many others with different ideological spin are the real things contributing to the breakdown of society. It's an infinite echo chamber where each group can create their perfect strawman and attack it together which empowers their view further.
Stop fucking generalizing people.
>>80287684
nice argument my dude
upvote!
http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2009/12/28/willpower/
check out this article
TLDR version
>In one experiment, led by Baba Shiv at Stanford University, several dozen undergraduates were divided into two groups. One group was given a two-digit number to remember, while the second group was given a seven-digit number.
> Then they were told to walk down the hall, where they were presented with two different snack options: a slice of chocolate cake or a bowl of fruit salad.
> The students with seven digits to remember were nearly twice as likely to choose the cake as students given two digits.
>those extra numbers took up valuable space in the brain–they were a “cognitive load”–making it that much harder to resist a decadent dessert. In other words, willpower is so weak, and the prefrontal cortex is so overtaxed, that all it takes is five extra bits of information before the brain starts to give in to temptation.
They discuss a second experiment as well, but basically, focusing, stressing, thinking, and learning all lower mental discipline because they pull from the same resource pool
Using the internet does all of these things.. if one becomes addicted to the internet, their willpower weakens.
The Amish really were right.
>>80286684
Oh, it's a stimulant.
But it's very gentle and basically lets you choose how much energy and productivity to pull.
It more or less unlocks your brain, rather than amping your brain. One of the best drugs ever invented. I cannot fathom WHY it's scheduled(Moda, not Adra), other than the idea that the government wants people subdued and dumbed down.
The stuff is less dangerous than caffeine.
Good choice of stim. But again, you should never use drugs habitually. That's when your receptors and associated acts become negatively impacted.
>>80284542
>>80284594
Pretty sure that's Emily Grey.
>>80276966
>pee like a dog through your pants
how the fuck does that even come close to making sense
>>80287870
>Trends don't exist because they aren't accurate 100% of the time
>>80287910
>>argument
About what?
Calling me a newfag.
& what was your point calling me a newfag.
Thats really something to have an argument about isn't it.
>>80286684
how do you get a prescription for this?
reading about it on erowid, I've seen a lot of positive experiences
aside from being a narcoleptic
>>80287870
I wonder if this guy watches a lot of porn
>>80288768
modafinil and armodafinil both cIV controlled substances and require a prescription within the US.
adrafinil is metabolized by the liver into modafinil. its is unscheduled and completely legal, order it online.
>>80289014
>adrafinil
Thank you, friend
And thank you liver!
>>80287984
This makes a lot of logical sense as well.
And yes, the Amish get a lot of things right.
They're kind of an "if it ain't broke" people.
Buddhist monks follow the same sort of code. Emptying the mind to free it from temptation and worldly desires, they probably attain the abilities to alter their neurotransmitters at whim, which explains their abilities of altering heartrate and body temp with little effort.
>>80289014
Any adverse effects you've noticed? Positives? It does as advertised?
>>80288582
You said SAGE (incorrectly) and then proceeded to not sage.
This is stereotypical newfaggotry.
>>80289133
Just be careful. Don't abuse it. Give yourself breaks of sobriety to keep your neurons happy.
>>80288582
still here, hun?
why did you said sage , when in reality you didn't sage any shit, you retard?
>>80289224
that article does seem to indicate to me that regular meditation would almost certainly improve mental discipline
Reason enough for me to get back into meditation
>>80289133
>>80289241
it does nothing to you besides preventing you from becoming sleepy. it's perfect
don't take it after 12:00 noon or you may not get to sleep until 5:00 a.m.
however, because it must be rendered into modafinil by your liver, it should not be taken every day. also don't drink alcohol with it or consume anything else that may contribute to liver damage. be advised
junk food
laziness, work stress
there are many problems
>>80289304
>>SAGE (incorrectly)
Care to elaborate.
No to both.
If you fail at life, you fail at life. Don't push that onto something you absolutely have control over.
>>80275829
This happened with me too first time a girl came onto me.
>Be me 19
>She's just turned 18
>She invites me over to "watch a movie"
>Okay.jpg
>At the end of the movie she comes onto me hard
>Jumps onto my lap and buries her face in mine
>I'm caught on my back feet cause my naive self wasn't expecting it
>She's wearing a dress and literally dripping wet down her thighs
>She's begging me for the D but I literally don't feel anything
>She can tell I'm not erect through my pants
>Probably thinks I'm gay
>Never see her again
>24 now
>TFW you will never get the opportunity for dripping wet 18 pussy again
Why live?
>>80289682
>If you fail at life, you fail at life.
>control
>muh free will
>implying
>>80289682
>implying a person can fail or win at life
:^)
>>80289363
I won't.. but it certainly sounds like something that would have a lot of utility
>>80289563
makes a lot of sense, I appreciate the advice
I'm porn and fap addicted. I tried to do Nofap and I can't, it lasts 3-4 days tops. Longest I've ever not done it is 2 weeks.
help me pls lol
what should I do
>>80275829
>>80289802
It happened to me too
Been thinking of seeing if I can get a viagra prescription 2bh lads
Shit is ruining my life, can't even pay for a prostitute because I'd be too nervous
>>80289802
oh man I feel for you
that sucks
>>80273893
FUCK UP LEAF
>>80290086
just be yourself
>>80287984
This explains why educated or intellectual people are the most degenerate. It even explains why the kikes are what they are. They got that way by focusing on being dedicated to information and the intangible.
Makes you realize that simplicity truly is bliss. Hell it even shows Socrates was right about LITERACY eroding values. Imagine how much more discipline people had before they even needed to read. Think of the Mongols and how they got weak ever since they adopted Chinese customs of knowledge and literacy.
Information itself was only meant for a disciplined class of sages. The rest of the masses were better off as simple farmers and craftsmen.
>>80287585
Oh ive wasted plenty of time on mindless shit. I am just glad I didnt get into this pattern until I was older (i. e. Already in college and doing well) and that I spent my childhood working harder than most.
>>80289627
Not really.
But most newfags seem to be doing this with great frequency, saying a particular thread is off topic when its clearly not and sage, but never sage. This behavior is too weak to be a meme, but too common to be a trend that isn't disturbing.
So we've deduced that is certainly newfaggotry.
>>80290426
This makes a lot of sense, I hadn't considered all that.. and it also makes me want to watch Marco Polo again lol
>>80290059
Try no porn, without no fap. Be disciplined with it too. I wouldn't recommend no fap unless trying to shoot for celibacy. Bad for hormones to go longer than 7 days w/o orgasm, if you want to remain sexually active.
>>80290938
probably good for the imagination too.. people need to fantasize, and porn just makes us all lazy in that regard
I'm a female addicted to pornography. It's to the point where I'm scared of actual sex.
>>80285087
So if you literally talk to zero girls than how are so you confident in your assumptions that all women are social media obsessed whores? Literally you only use social media. You only see people that use social media.
Jesus fucking christ, autist. You wonder why you are a kissless virgin.
>>80288375
You get down on all fours, life your leg like a dog, but leave your pants on
>>80291603
..he's probably not even that ugly.. just.. weird. And that can be fixed (in theory)
>>80290938
What about a reboot? That's what I aimed to do, but couldn't, way too difficult for me. But the benefit of rebooting my brain on masturbation attracted me a lot.
Thanks, I'll try to do no porn.
For hormones I wanted to lower my DHT cause it's killing my hair I think. But i cant figure out if no fap or fap under 7 days is better. I just dont understand it well enough. I read loads of contradictory shit on the internet
>>80291562
At what age did you first look at porn?
And when did you realize it was a problem?
>>80291562
How does that work? Sex for men is mostly a thing of urge. Sex for women is mostly psychological.
So how long have you been at this and what sort of degenerate porn do you watch that has driven you to these feelings?
>>80290505
>>off topic
Posting something anti-porn on a site filled with porn.
Doesn't make sense.
When some people come to 4chan exclusively for porn.
A religitard is posting this.Most likey a muslim.
>>80292138
/pol/ is (at times) much more philosophical than much of 4chan
you're probably new here
I haven't orgasmed in 6 months, but I still look at porn before bed. I don't really masturbate. I'm just lonely as fuck. Hope I can drop that as well.
>>80291930
I started masturbating very young in kindergarden. There was a book about a duck that went on a boat and got spanked or something stupid like that, and it made me horny. It came naturally.
I remember that the song, "Three blind mice," made me masturbate because the wife cut off their tails with a carving knife, and they were blind. Then I used to fantasize about a factory where mice would have their tails cut off on a conveyor belt.
Kids getting spanked by their parents always set me off immediately.
I first saw actual porn in 4th grade on the playground. It was a playboy magazine, and I masturbated to that. I used to masturbate all the time, before I knew what it was and that it was bad.
I knew it was a problem as soon as adults made it shameful, and I went to a councilor at school that thought I might be molested or something. I literally used to masturbate for hours.
Now I'm ashamed of the idea actual sex with a real person.
>>80292077
Trust me, it's a very powerful urge in me and I'm a female. I've learned to feel shame for it from an early age though, so I just keep my sexual urges to myself.
>>80291776
For the reboot, wait until you can start dating effectively and won't turn back to fapping to porn. Then you can do no fap. No fap isn't for everyone, and its very rare that it works for everyone. Was a disaster for me.
For the hair loss, it could be genetic. But I would recommend getting enough vitamin-d through a supplement and trying to get enough inositol (its a b-vitamin) in your diet. Foods like beans, a few teaspoons of yeast, etc are rich in inositol. If its not genetic, this should help immensely. I reversed my hair loss when it started just by getting enough vitamins like this for a while and cold showers, though I think mine was just from being way overstressed and temporary low testosterone in college.
>>80292642
You sound like the type who would serially kill their children and commit Munchausen by proxy.
I'm happy you'll never have kids.
>>80281378
Don't fuck with my Edmund Blair Leighton you piece of shit. Don't even dare meme the banner of traditionalism into some kind of silly cuckery shitpost.
>>80292077
Sorry, I never answered your question about what porn I watch.
I like porn that either features solo women masturbating with vibrators, or things being tortured. I like older daddy and twink gay anal porn, too.
I like young girls in my porn, mostly. I don't think whores are sexy; I think it takes the surprise out of the scene. I had a phase where I used to read a lot of porn. Reading porn gets me off just as much as watching it, if it's good. I remember there was this one story about a 13 year old girl that trained her dog to lick peanut butter off of her pussy, and that got me going.
I've read some underage spanking stories too, but I always feel guilty afterwards.
>>80292922
I actually get along well in real life, and love kids. I would never have them be a part of my fantasy world. Part of the fantasy is that it's completely separate from reality, which is why I haven't explored these with anybody real. I would never hurt a fly in real life.
How could I help it, if I had fantasies that young? It also was without porn, so maybe a high sex drive and imagination is something that you're born with.
>>80292284
>>you're probably new here
i've been here a few years.
>>philosophical
Define philosophical of /pol/
Germans,Ron paul,Adolf,race war,heritage post, illegal immigration,Africans destroying europe,Donald trump,Syrian civil war,Daily atheist and christian posts. not to mention all the black cocks posted.
its the same shit everyday.
>>80292642
I have no idea what you look like but that is fucking incredibly hot. You should not feel ashamed, most men would probably be down with that, if they could keep up with you.
Its weird, because men can't really be sexually stimulated before puberty.. I mean I can't even remember if my dick got hard when I was a kid and looked at porn. I first saw porn in 2nd grade, but I never could masturbate until 7th grade.. and then I literally blew my load by touching my dick and looking at porn.
Honestly, this thread had put me in such a good mindset, I was going to go out and do productive things and then you had to make me all horny again with your tale of lifetime masturbation.
>>80273154
>>80286145
>ND-based stims can lead to permanent downregulation of dopamine with heavy prolonged use, and that translates into permanent states of increased apathy and decreased productivity.
what are ND based stims? How long does this permanent downregulation take, and how would you know if it's happened to you? Any ways of dealing with that?
I think this might have happened to me if you aren't bullshitting
>>80293549
it's few and far between, but the first few Zero Hour threads come to mind
yeah /pol/ is mostly shitposting and politically incorrect irreverence, but there are gems here and there
>>80292642
You just need to stop worrying about shit.
Maybe try a psychedelic like shrooms, LSD(or one of it's analogs, easy to get online), or 4-AcO-DMT.
A lot of time these can level out your neurotransmitters, though if you have a risk of psychotic behaviors/bipolar, you're advised to NOT use these drugs as they can initiate hypermania in prone folks. Whatever you do, don't start a downer habit, for the love of god. Straight road into personal hell they are.
>>80273154
hahahaha, no. It's messing up the lives of a very small group of males. Go outside. There are lots of guys who have no problem getting lots of pussy, on a daily basis
>>80293581
Thank you, you actually are making me feel a little bit better about it but I'll never tell any man about my fantasies because they're fucked up sounding, and I'm a straight classy conservative girl.
If you're curious, I have long dyed blonde (naturally brown) hair and I'm 5'4 with a 20 BMI and size 5 pants.
It's interesting to hear about when people start masturbating at different times. I started masturbating not because of porn, or because I had a vagina, but because the urge was so great. My brain latched on so some strange things to "trigger" it back then, but I quite literally would masturbate so much that my mom and her friends would constantly have to stop me and tell me it was bad. Years later, it embarrassed the Hell out of me that I did that.
For me, I tried to teach my friends the "secret" of masturbating because I felt like I knew something that nobody else did. In a way, I was right. I tried to teach my friend Chrissy to rub herself on the bar until it felt good, but I think she was just confused.
At that phase, it was just rubbing against stuff. My wrist, a plastic golf club toy I had, pillows, riding the couch arm, etc.
Porn got me off immediately like I was on fire.
>>80294129
I would never take downers. They are the bane of our society. I've never smoked, and I do not take drugs.
I always wondered if psychedelics would actually help me out in any way, but I'm a little wary of the reaction I might have to them. What if I get into a trip, and never got out?
Funny, I'm against all drugs but I'm addicted to porn and that might actually be worse.
>>80294206
The problem is that there is literally no one in this generation (for males at least) that hasn't seen porn by the time they're out of high school. Erectile dysfunction was never diagnosed as young as it is nowadays, that we know, but the effects on marriage, mental health, etc. are unknowable because there is basically no control group
>>80292642
I kind of wish I could find a woman with an absurdly high sex drive, because I started young too (for a boy, no where near as young as you) and I've always been hypersexual. I don't try to conceal it, I try to channel the urge and desire it into things not related to sex. That's easier for men though, because it isn't as psychological for us. Most men, masculine ones, couldn't fap to storytelling if we tried.
I'm glad you don't feel those urges for actually hurting kids or animals. I hope you try to get past it, and find new sexual pursuits. Because it sounds like you need to just find and lock down a chad who's fully aware of your sexual nature and can control and oblige you desu.
>>80292888
Step by step then it is, genius, thanks dude, i'm literally too dumb and/or addicted to even think about these solutions lol.
Our bodies are complex stuff. I took multi vitamines for most my life, and compared with taking it and no, it does nothing desu. I also recently read that it can harm your health.
I'll be more selective about which complement i take.
>>80293914
>what are ND based stims?
ND - Norepinephrine+Dopamine
They come either as releasing agents(NDRAs) or reuptake inhibitors(NDRIs) though functions usually involve both release and reuptake inhibition in both classes.
Common NDRAs - Amphetamine(Adderall), Methamphetamine, Phenmetrazine, and 3-F-Phenmetrazine
Common NDRIs- Cocaine, Pyrovalerones(MDPV/a-PVP/a-PHP) and Phenidates(Methylphenidate being common, aka Ritalin)
>How long does this permanent downregulation take
Varies person to person and drug to drug, But I'd recommend no more than a week max on ANY ND stim, and a good 4 weeks sober in between uses, to keep trouble at bay.
Keep it down to 72 hours or less under the influence for best safety efforts.
>and how would you know if it's happened to you?
Probably. You'd likely notice you have no ambition in life anymore, get depressed, or are sleeping more often. Apathy that just won't seem to go away.
>Any ways of dealing with that?
Not really, though intense meditation and a personal spiritual journey, possibly with the help of a psychedelic trip, might spark up your brain's natural drive.
Psychedelics have that affect in many users.
>>80294720
>it sounds like you need to just find and lock down a chad who's fully aware of your sexual nature and can control and oblige you desu.
I would feel frightened by it, to be honest. I'd be afraid that he would not like me, that he would tell my secrets to someone else, etc. The problem is that I don't think I could ever sexually be satisfied with just a dick pounding, and that's it. He would have to watch some weird porn with me or something, and that would make me nervous.
Maybe my brain could rewire all of my urges to just want dick, and that's it. Maybe in a way, watching so much porn made me think that I would always have to put on a "show" all the time, and I have a sort of stage fright. I'm also the type to get nervous in the condom isle, which is unfortunate,
Sometimes I fantasize about a guy watching me, while I masturbate. I have this makeshift vibrator I made out of an electric toothbrush and sometimes I use it in weird positions. I'm in really good shape physically, so watching myself gets me off. I suppose that's a classic case of narcissism.
Sometimes I'll bunch up some pillows, put the vibrator on top, and ride it in front of the mirror. I'll put limits on myself, like I'm not allowed to arch my back or I cannot take my feet off the wall or something like that.
