So, how atheists explain the existence of life?
>>80122170
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>>80122170
>So, how atheists explain the existence of life?
Amino acids/DNA or some shit forming in rare but naturally occuring circumstances happens as non-magically as potassium flaring up and becoming potassium hydroxide.
"shit happens"
How did God come into existence? What existed before God?
>>80122170
>how do x explain reality
What you fuckers don't seem to get is that NOBODY KNOWS what started life. Any legend of god or some being is a guess. Much in the same as a hypothesis is to the scientific method.
Atheists just don't buy your stories of how it happened. That is all.
>>80122170
God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
In recent decades scientists have been stunned by the discovery that the initial conditions of the Big Bang were fine-tuned for the existence of intelligent life with a precision and delicacy that literally defy human comprehension. This fine-tuning is of two sorts. First, when the laws of nature are expressed as equations, you find appearing in them certain constants, such as the gravitational constant. The values of these constants are independent of the laws of nature. Second, in addition to these constants, there are certain arbitrary quantities which define the initial conditions on which the laws of nature operate – for example, the amount of entropy (disorder) in the universe. Now these constants and quantities fall into an extraordinarily narrow range of life-permitting values. Were these constants or quantities to be altered by less than a hair’s breadth, the life-permitting balance of nature would be destroyed, and life would not exist.
There are three live explanatory options for this extraordinary fine-tuning: physical necessity, chance, or design.
Physical necessity is not, however, a plausible explanation, because the finely-tuned constants and quantities are independent of the laws of nature. Therefore, they are not physically necessary.
>>80122617
>Amino acids/DNA or some shit forming in rare but naturally occuring circumstances happens as non-magically as potassium flaring up and becoming potassium hydroxide.
>>80123792
So could this fine-tuning be due to chance? The problem with this explanation is that the odds of all the constants and quantities’ randomly falling into the incomprehensibly narrow life-permitting range are just so infinitesimal that they cannot be reasonably accepted. Therefore the proponents of the chance explanation have been forced to postulate the existence of a ‘World Ensemble’ of other universes, preferably infinite in number and randomly ordered, so that life-permitting universes like ours would appear by chance somewhere in the Ensemble. Not only is this hypothesis, to borrow Richard Dawkins’ phrase, “an unparsimonious extravagance,” it faces an insuperable objection. By far, the most probable observable universes in a World Ensemble would be worlds in which a single brain fluctuated into existence out of the vacuum and observed its otherwise empty world. So, if our world were just a random member of the World Ensemble, by all probability we ought to be having observations like that. Since we don’t, that strongly disconfirms the World Ensemble hypothesis. So chance is also not a good explanation. Thus,
1. The fine-tuning of the universe is due to either physical necessity, chance, or design.
2. The fine-tuning of the universe is not due to physical necessity or chance.
3. Therefore, the fine-tuning of the universe is due to design.
Thus, the fine-tuning of the universe constitutes evidence for a cosmic Designer.
>>80122918
God always existed.
>>80122918
He was created in the minds of men and what existed before was the lack of impetus to do so.
>>80123836
>>Amino acids/DNA or some shit forming in rare but naturally occuring circumstances happens as non-magically as potassium flaring up and becoming potassium hydroxide.
When mixed with water. I forget the end.
I'm listening to Obama talk about some bullshit about cops and talking to someone else at the same time. I was distracted.
>>80123792
if it's so fine tuned then why are we the only ones here
wow wtf i'm in an existential crisis now
I won't say that atheists are the ones doing it, because atheists are just fedoras fighting christians on social media, but the scientific community is at least trying to solve that question. It's better than "lol, god just created life don't ask about details"
>>80122170
Why do we have to?
>>80123757
God created life, you are just an idiot if you deny it.
>>80123792
>Big Bang
A greasy Jesuit hauled that shit out of the private Vatican archives and they propagandized the shitty theory with their massive press mill. The original author was probably burnt on the stake hundreds of years ago. Using ignorance of something to justify sky fairies is what leads to dark ages which is all the church yearns for and always will. for in an enlightened world, it would cease to exist.
>>80122170
Given enough time and permutations the probability of any given event occurring becomes infinitely close to 1
>>80124120
i think scientist are ok, they are looking for awnsers that only will show God's existence, they are good people
>>80122170
>random stuff & shit just happens
>>80124226
ur gonna cease to exist if you don't delete that post bitch
>>80123792
>>80123850
>ctrl-c'ing and then ctrl-v'ing WLC means you've made an argument
topkek, dude's a fraud
>>80122918
Isn't he God for that particular reason? You perish after what...70-80 years?
There's an order, a hierarchy, and you and I are at the bottom. To interact with the "top dawg", you need to have some serious credentials.
Atheism has nothing to do with abiogenisis-theories... That's like asking an atheist to explain evolution. In fact, often the two topics are conflated. But, it is unrelated to "atheism."
Oh and you first need to define "life" before you go and make assumptions on what variables are needed to sustain in.
>>80125039
>There's an order, a hierarchy, and you and I are at the bottom
Galapagos tortoises live routinely live well over 100 years.
Do you, for one, welcome our new tortoise overlords?
>>80123850
It's a lot of text, and not necessarily a bad read.
However, beyond our existence and the initial Big Bang, we don't know what lies beyond. We don't even know how big our universe truly is thanks to expansion.
So then, is the fine-tuning of our universe sufficient to prove God's existence? I think not. We have insufficient data.
Do you propose any other evidence?
>>80122170
>So, how atheists explain the existence of life?
So, how religious explain the existence of God?
Repeat the process trillions of trillions of trillions of trillions of trillions of times with some random paint-spraying machine and we'll talk.
I bet a few would come out looking pretty nice.
>>80126081
They tried something similar with a computer that was generating random letters, the goal was to recreate the entirety of Shakespears works.
After a week they got one sentence from Hamlet I think. So the proof of concept exists.
>>80124992
you are a fraud. queer.
>>80122170
Mutations are random, natural selection is not. Take a basic biology course you ghetto shitskin
>>80122170
i laughed. that was good
>>80126585
Where in the biology course I see where life come from?
>>80126737
Under "abiogenesis" which is not the same as evolution you retarded monkey
>>80122170
>evolution is too complicated for me to understand
>therefore, god exists
Christians really need to start educating their members. They make your religion look retarded.
OH, ITS THIS THREAD AGAIN!
>>80122170
I still consider myself an atheist, although I cannot deny the innate feeling that God may indeed exist.
From my experiences on the old Internet, atheists simply say that the universe literally appeared out of nothing. Literally. When pressed for an explanation, they just went on about the big bang, and science, and mixed it with snarky comments.
Of course, that was in another era. But yes, even I as an atheist see the foolishness of asserting without a shadow of a doubt that the big bang just "happened" without any precursor.
>>80126872
your right. I'm now a #SpiritualAutist.
>>80126867
>Says that rocks becomes living beings
I prefer believe that live come from of the ass of your mom, it makes more sense.
>>80127364
>Brazilian Education
>>80126872
We are talking about origin of life, not evolution, you illiterate retard.
>>80127084
The Big Bang as the whole explanation is of course lacking details.
But one can`t say that it a theory like that is any more far fetched that an omnipotent entity just made it appear out of thin air (seeing as neither of us can back our theories).
That is simply lazy. And trough that laziness you keep calling everyone who might disagree a fedora tipping autist.
*Tips fedora, scratches neckbeard and takes medication*
>>80127432
>>80127364
>skimming wikipedia pages gives me complete knowledge of a subject
>>80127571
>And trough that laziness you keep calling everyone who might disagree a fedora tipping autist
If you disagree onto something you need explain why, atheists disagree just for disagree, so yes they are autists.
>>80127571
>God give people all the basics awnsers
>people dont lisen and fail
>they waste their time with things that are already known
>tfw figured out I can call myself """""agnostic""""" which gives me immunity from troll threads
>I can trigger everyone by saying that atheists are just as annoying/stupid/bad/cucked as religionfags
>my position is immune from criticism because I'm too much of a pussy to give any statement
>>80122170
So, how do Christians explain never seeing God?
>>80123876
And this is why religion is dying.
Science has nothing to do with religion. They aren't even related. Science can never and will never disprove the existence of God, as it is a purely faith based choice. Science is literally just our understanding of the universe, along with its theories like evolution, the big bang (which is largely disregarded now), et al..
Literally the only retards that treat it as a deathmatch style thing are Americans. Even the Vatican accepts science and evolution and the like.
Again, science is merely us understanding the universe we are in. It can make no comment on the existence of a God.
>>80122170
there's no definite answer yet for how life came about, but some promising avenues for research into the matter
now how life came to be as complex and diverse as it is, given its existence in the first place, is very well understood as explained by the theory of evolution through natural selection
glad I could be of service ^_^
>>80128233
Everybody can see God through the existence and teachings of Jesus Christ.
>>80128287
>Science can never and will never disprove the existence of God
What if you make a really powerful telescope and see God?
>>80128365
your gonna burn in hell faggot change your ways.
>>80128060
>be agnostic
>be asked if I believe in God
>"lol idk"
gee, let me have no standing-point on one of the many things we wonder in life, if there is a god, so much better
>>80128365
>there's no definite answer
There is none answer so why deny God?
>>80124217
Yeah, he's the idiot for not believing the words of schizophrenic bronze age sheep fuckers.
>>80123757
>>80128650
So, how do Christians explain never hearing or smelling God?
>>80128807
Jesus fucking Christ for the same reason you deny flying elephants. Now get out of here, your attempts at both English and reasonable thought make my eyes bleed.
>>80128953
>an ark is so hard to make
>>80128953
God is not material.
>>80129103
Then how is he real?
>>80128868
>>80122170
how hard is it to google things before shitposting
>>80129054
>Let's reduce everything to the material world and physic laws so I will believe only in things I can touch.
atheist are really this stupid.
>>80129242
>the only material realm exist
it's like you cant see your own arm or something, it's fucking obvious
>>80125745
>Big Bang
>Expansion
Both theories are full of shit. The Big Bang is especially one of the most flawed theories to ever be propagated in science.
Expansion has a bit more basis with the Wavelength theory, but until we have any kind of definitive size of the universe, we'll never know whether expansion is a real thing or not.
>>80129103
Yes, he is.
>>80129348
>Argentina try to speak good
It's like you can't speak English or something, it's fucking obvious
>>>80129345
Atleast they have a reason.
>>80129345
A much more reasonable way of thinking than untestable metaphysical blind guesswork.
>>80129242
Jesus Christ proved he is real.
>>80129576
>haha nice typo
lad
>>80126872
>Evolution
>somehow conflicts with Christianity
Let this meme die already.
>>80129701
It's more than a typo if it makes your argument unintelligible
>>80129653
You are not different from an animal if you think this way.
>>80128953
I'm more partial to the Local Flood theory myself
>>80122170
Germany 7 Brazil 1
Where is your god now piece of favela shit ?
>>80129880
you are just dumb
>>80126452
source? i heard they got nothing.
>>80122170
I'm a Christian but I don't get why you're defending god so much. He put you in a shithole in Brazil so clearly he doesn't like you very much while I live in a comfy village in a nice country.
I hope your not trying to get on his good side with this because he'll know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyhZcEY5PCQ
>>80129894
Okay okay, you can't defend your position so you just attack my personality. My bad for expecting something else from a 87 IQ flag.
>>80129940
Not an argument
>>80130085
Is it okay if I believe that God created the universe and then the world over an extended period of time using scientific processes?
>>80122170
Seriously neighbor,must you be retarded every week? This is like the fifth to!e I've seen this thread from you specifically.
>>80130003
Not a attack just a statement.
Believe only in instinct is just an animal thing.
>>80123876
>>80122170
So, how christcucks explain the existence of evolution?
>>80130152
It's unfair. You can say this and nobody holds you responsible for explaining the origin of matter/life by yourself, even though you agree with me regarding every testable statement. #atheistlivesmatter
alien sewage
>>80122918
God exists outside of time. If He didn't, He wouldn't be God.
This """"argument"""" is retarded.
>>80122170
At the quantum scale - universes can pop in and out of existence, suddenly given eternity - one universe suddenly ( trough it simply being possible mathematically ) - stretched into everything that you see - it was a soup of energy which cooled down and 4 fundamental forces split apart, then things started to organize - earth formed, conditions for life were meet - and abiogenesis happened, from that biological life in the simplest form, evolution as a phenomena that could manifest - trough natural selection led to all life today.
This is the general story.
>>80122170
So who created god? Obviously something can't come from nothing am I right, am I right?
>>80128060
Agnostics are the worst of the worst.
>>80130421
Then who made God exist outside of time?
>>80130421
>God exists outside of time
Citation needed.
>>80130380
>He believes in science
>>80122170
random ability to recreate information.
Serious question, why are atheist so embarassingly close minded when it comes to
the origin of our universe and all it contains?
Self proclaimed intellectuals who somehow think the intelligent mindset is to dismiss the existence of god simply because
>muh empirical evidence
Only to quote the Bible in arguments against a religious person. Which is strange because, like science, the bible (which is hardly meant to be takenliterally) is a product of human perception.
Limited to our non existant objectivity.
>>80122170
itd be more like
first he slaps on red paint
then he goes to a new canvas, slaps on red paint and then adds in a single dot near the head
and so on and so forth
its all about very slight improvements over time
>>80130523
Nobody created him you retard
God exists outside of the laws of the universe he created, thats his whole definition
>>80130648
>He thinks le fedora meme is an argument
>>80129084
>he actually believes in the ark
>>80130523
God would simple have existed unshaped and unchanged in eternity, being the absolute everything.
>>80130697
Not all of them you're just overgeneralizing - basement dwelling christians are bad and annoying in the same way.
>>80130774
then what the fuck was he doing for X amount of time
>>80130848
There's no time in eternity.
>>80130848
Idk, god stuff
>>80130774
Citation needed
>>80123876
Serious question, why are Christians so embarassingly close minded when it comes to
the origin of our universe and all it contains?
Self proclaimed intellectuals who somehow think the intelligent mindset is to dismiss the existence of science simply because
>muh biblical evidence
Only to quote theories in arguments against a scientific person. Which is strange because, like religion, science (which is hardly meant to be takenliterally) is a product of human perception.
Limited to our non existant objectivity.
>>80122617
this but it's more complex than "some shit"
>>80130945
The Genesis
>>80122170
So, how Brazilian shitposters explain the existence of God?
also-- once you get self-replicating molecules it's off to the races. We don't know which molecules, but it's not beyond imagination if you actually understand chemistry.
>>80130645
>>80130945
do you want a quote of the bible?
they are everywhere
>>80130918
>>80130944
He sounds like an autistic /pol/tard
>>80129688
>Hitler dubs
checkd.
>Jesus Christ proved he is real.
How do you figure? Eyewitness testimony is unreliable. Have you seen or heard Jesus lately, b/c if so, it's time for a visit to the psychiatric ward for you.
>>80130591
>honest souls are the lowest form of life
What is this, the dark ages again already?
>>80130945
Exodus 3:14 " I AM WHO I AM "
John 8:58 " Truly, truly, I tell you, Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am!” "
God is in eternity, not was or will be - He's unchanged.
>>80122617
You might scare off the religious people with some of those science words. Thay can only understand things on the level of "god did magic to make life appear".
>>80122170
Turn it around. Why would God bother creating you? Wouldn't that be an almighty fuckup?
>>80128807
If I lose my keys I don't automatically assume magic pixies stole them you fucking monkey.
>>80130848
there is no point of reference for time
when God is the only thing that Is, a million years could have been the same as a single second
>>80130781
It wasn't meant to be
I just can't understand how someone can have faith in science. It literally can't stop disproving itself
Christians have a hard time believing that life "just happens." It's more than that though, it's not just a tiger appeared somewhere or a tree magically happened. Yes, life did "just happen" ... over the course of millions and millions of years. It's hard to believe anything "just happens" but an incomprehensible amount of time passing makes for stuff that "just happen."
>>80131254
How could God do anything if he didn't have time to do said anything?
>>80131152
The correct quote is I AM THAT I AM. He was identifying himself as I AM, the god of Abraham.
>>80131254
if there is no time where he is then why bother creating us when we will kill ourselves in such an extremelly quick or slow manner
in fact why care at all
if I were god Id be fucking up planets for shits and giggles, not caring about if some random guy on a single mudball is kissing another guy
>>80131254
Just like time doesn't make sense and concept and reality of it drops under planck lenght so does in eternity space and time make no sense.
There's no million or billion of trillion of years, going anywhere - anytime. God simply IS.
From creation of universe to the end of It, God always IS - even when He talks with us in time - and manifests in history, He always Is.
>>80131210
he knows what he's doing, he gave you something that you aren't using, you are the fucked up that is not using what he has
>>80131058
Did God write the bible?
>>80122170
When you make arguments like this, all you're really saying is I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ARGUING AGAINST. It's not very effective.
Especially when you're a zika chimp.
>>80122170
How do theists explain the existence of god?
>>80131281
at the same time it is our only chance. or do you have a plan b?
>>80131446
How do you prove the existance of god?
He couldve gone the same way as the Greek gods and simply stopped existing once people climbed Olympus and saw there were no gods there
>>80131390
In septuagint it is: "And God said to Moyses, “I am The One Who Is.” - this is based on greek tradition of text.
KJV is based on masoretic - Jewish tradition of text. I quoted from the KJV at first, the meaning is the same.
>>80124391
>>80127677
>>80122617
yeah, extremely complex self-replicating molecules carrying information just happening to form is the same as potassium reacting with oxygen.
>>80123836
damn every response you had was so lacking in rebuttal and information most would think you should go sit down. Seriously just shut the fuck up and stop talking since you. Are. No one. Also you are nothing. Remember this when you think you are special and have a right to post over you non existent view.
>>80131427
he was the producer
the prophets were the artists
>>80131047
>>80131152
You can't use the Bible to prove the Bible right
The Bible itself needs citationS
>>80131474
Just don't pretend that anyone but a God can have an absolute truth and an absolute answer
>>80131530
You cannot point, or calculate God - He at one point manifested as form of voices from the sky - as clouds and lightening - but that was not God, it was just His manifestation - He made His intention clear in voice, in human language to Moses.
Then God took human body as Jesus Christ.
>>80131673
The first scientific paper ever needs citation.
>>80131281
>Says science disproves itself
>Doesn't say how
>Believes in literal magic
You're making me sound like an edgy teen here.
>>80129735
>be american
>have good friend who's boyfriend is hardcore protty
>creationist
>denies evolution
>"Catholics aren't real Christians" meme
>spews same argument debunk 100 times over
>can't argue, only acts condescending
i live in american so this is roughly a good amount of the population.
>>80131743
how is god jesus when jesus is the son?
Incest possesion?
this sounds too unrealistic, itd be a lot more believable if they were two separate but related people(?)
>>80131678
god is a word humans defined. its is part ot he human intellectual world. like science. but science is more. it is the attempt to understand.
>>80131672
So God didn't actually write the bible?
>God exists outself of our universe, you can't hope for any sort of understanding of such a being
>But we know his divine will and feelings on masturbation 100% for certain!
???
>>80131530
Realistically, how do you expect anyone to be able to prove the existence of god?
What would it even change? Would you suddenly start believeing in him, and if so what would be the POINT of believing in him then?
Really the whole concept is to place your faith, like atheists choose to place their faith in science.
Ironically the two do not conflict eachother at all.
>>80131877
>he doesnt understand it
>he call it magic
like a edgy teen
>>80131152
>"I AM WHO I AM"
>their god's name itself is the #1 logical fallacy, appeal to authority
Because I said so!
>>80131947
what is your point
>>80131966
contact
or perhaps a miracle
>>80132069
How do you know it's really what God wants? What makes the bible different from any other religious text or anything written by a any prophet?
>>80122170
>implying theists explain anything
>>80131920
Before time and space, Jesus was the son of Father and Father was with son all in eternity - there was not a time in eternity when Jesus was not the son, and the Holy Spirit was not begotten from the Father.
No angel, human or being ever seen God in full glory as He is - with the exception of Jesus - Jesus seen God face to face and God seen Jesus and refected into Him.
Jesus is God and God is Jesus.
Three Persons in eternity each having a role - but being the same Being.
It's the same godhood.
>>80131783
>The first scientific paper ever needs citation
That's just a fucking retarded thing to say. It's results would be replicable,and it wouldn't apply to every fucking scientific topic,just the one relative to its results. Do you know how citations work and what they are for?
>>80132085
That would cause you to lose the need for faith and stunt your spiritual growth.
>>80132085
>contact
Why would he? Why SHOULD he?
>perhaps a miracle
How would you define a miracle?
>>80122918
God in monotheism is the prime mover. Why don't atheists get this?
>>80131941
>>80131877
>science is an* attempt to understand.
It's by definition merely an attitude to investigation. It has nothing in itself that would imply that it is an understanding of truth
>god is a word humans defined
God is by definition absolute. The details of what God represents we may never know
>>80122617
120 amino acids are required to form one single celled organism. When scientists replicated Earth's environment back then and ran an electrical current through it, they produced 6 amino acids. The probablity of this happening is 1 in 10^120
The probability of it happening in the time our earth has existed (according to athiests) is 1 in
10^180
Something considered impossible has a chance of 1 in 10^150
>>80132222
if i knew for sure there was a god then id put all my faith into being a good person by his rules
>>80132067
There's no logic applied to when an angel comes down a window.
There's no logical fallacy when God manifests as as a thunder voice from on top of a mountain where thousands of people hear Him.
God is above and beyond mental constructs, He's not a concept - He is everything and the source of our life and experience
>>80122170
The same way they do pretty much everything else in life, in the most cynical way possible.
>>80132259
because muslims, terrorists, heretics, nonbelievers and the like would probably stop being those things quickly if they knew *X* religion was correct
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>>80132221
Many scientific facts are replicable, do they need citations to be so?
The bible verses regardless of their tradition - have the same meaning. Do they need citation to have the meaning or the meaning is hold unto itself?
>>80132181
the NT are written letters from people who walked with Jesus, the OT is from people who God have spoken to
>>80131920
>it'd be a lot more believable if they were two separate but related people
Mormonism believes this
>>80131743
These are simply stories you've heard or read about, you have no firsthand knowledge about the events they pretend to describe. You've been conditioned to believe that they are true by reward and punishment, and when you recite them here, you are no more wise than a dolphin performing tricks at sea world.
>>80132000
>Doesn't understand it
You literally said nothing of substance. All it amounted to was "he believes in science lol" and now you're pretending you know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>80122170
>>80132305
Why has nobody replied :(
>>80132433
Mormons also believe in getting your own planet when you die, magic underwear, women must have lots of kids to get rewarded and that they can baptize the dead
God always existed and He created the universe, and us, in His image.
Proof?
My mommy and daddy told me that's how it is
>>80132512
well until someone starts showing evidence to the contrary then theyll keep believing that
>>80132423
God spoke to me and said that's not true.
>>80132374
What makes you think that?
Would things suddenly stop happening simply because someone was proven wrong?
>>80131919
At least Protestants can overthrow their leadership if things get too out of hand. You lot are still chained to the same succession of superstitious queers playing dress up for the last 2000 years.
>>80132597
We are in his image yet we are all different yet we are all equal and he loves us all except people who dont believe in him
>>80132465
But I alongside many have the firsthand experience of the Holy Spirit - which confirms in reality the events and the verity of Jesus words.
It's not limited to mental impressions, but it manifests physically also in the form of healing.
Why would I believe the stories if there was no backup?
>>80132603
>Argument from Ignorance
>>80132307
But that faith would not be as strong because there would be no need for you to cultivate and strengthen that faith. You would end up settling for the minimum needed.
God is both omnipotent and benevolent, yes?
However, if he is omnipotent and yet doesn't stop evil he is not benevolent
If he is benevolent and can't stop evil, he is not omnipotent
If he is both benevolent and omnipotent, then why is there evil?
If he is neither, why call him God?
>>80132683
no, once some otherworldly god made himself known then all those people would put serious doubts into their current religions
which would make the world probably a lot better place and more unified in said gods vision rather than the political nightmare it is
>>80132552
These are all lies. Read less hate propaganda.
>>80132603
Atheism explained in 45 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI_T_p_K3o
>>80132609
many people said they speak for God and was a lie, they never end in a good place, that's why God give us the bible, that's the basic, if you go against it, you are against God
>>80132781
How??
so being stubborn is better than knowing what exactly you need to do to be a good person??
Id rather accept eternal nothingness from death than a fate like that
>>80122170
several hundred million years worth of chemical reactions
>>80132903
then all prophets are liars and so is the bible which was written by prophets
>>80122170
They don't, they only know that people who believe in some form of a creator are wrong. Which is exactly why they are universally known as hypocritical smug losers.
So people who don't believe in the tooth fairy how do you explain teeth?
>>80132264
I never talked about truth.
i can't say if there is something which is absolute. but believing in absolute things has many disadvantages. let's talk about fundamentalists and stuff.
>>80122170
Amino acids became DNA.
DNA led the way for simple organisms to evolve.
Simple organisms working in symbiosis became more complex organisms.
More complex organisms became even more complex through evolution.
>>80132903
God said I'm actually the only one telling the truth and that the people who wrote the bible are liars who wanted to make true prophets like myself look like liars
>>80122617
>some chemical compounds = poof and life woo hoo
This is what atheists actually believe.
>>80128694
Thats like a fish trying to find water.
>>80132957
God gave us that bible, it warn you about those prophet
>>80132414
>Many scientific facts are replicable,do they need citation to be so?
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Citations are basically shortcuts so that everyone doesn't have to repeat the same experiments every time they add to a topic. You find studies that have already done that experiment, and use them as a basis to expand on what you actually want to do. The first experiment would have to be replicable to even be a proper citation,and would have to be repeated a fuckload of times to even be relevant.
>Bible verses have the same meaning
We're not discussing what they mean, we're discussing whether they're true or not. Which is why you need citation,because you can't test any of that shit.
>>80122170
Roll of the dice/Monkey theory. Enough energy passed through primitive water and rock on the primordial Earth that somehow amino acids appeared, became cells, etc.
>>80133077
read >>80132903
Im going to ask
Do many christians try and follow the bible's rules simply because its the right thing to do, because of the implied reward or because of a fear of being punished?
Look I aint trying to be rude here, Im curious
>>80132512
>The belief there was absolutely nothing
Only Christians believe this
>>80133227
God wanted me to tell you those prophets were false and not really true prophets
>>80133233
>Citations are basically shortcuts so that everyone doesn't have to repeat the same experiments every time they add to a topic
Citations are not limited to sciences.
Damn you're one of these basement dwellers amirite?
>>80122918
Life is fucked up, dont mind it. God is dead
>>80133319
Fire n' brimstone n shiet, nigga.
At the very least, a simple understanding of logic and the analysis of objective evidence rules out any religion known to man.
What happens in the discussion after that (as to a prime mover) is purely speculative either way.
Why waste time on it when none of us will ever know?
>ITT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiW3qRlDhig
>>80132909
Faith in a god you can see does not require conviction. It would require no strength to achieve anything and you would end up weaker in the end. This life is one of trials and hardships. Seeing God would render these trial meaningless.
>>80132512
This is flat out wrong, I'm a deist and I know this.
The entire universe was compressed to a singularity. Everything that exists today fit inside a grain of sand.
Something caused the big bang to happen after this, whether it's from divine intervention or some sort of natural process I don't know.
>>80132997
But believing in no absolutes (except in the self-refuting absolute that there aren't any absolutes) is an even more dangerous dogma. Let's talk about contemporary post-modern """"culture"""" and stuff
>>80132741
>Why would I believe the stories is there was no backup?
Credo Qui Absurdum was Tertullian's motto - "I believe because it is absurd." Plenty of early church fathers admitted there was no evidence that their creed was true, essentially confirming that their religious practice was one of practicality, or the path of least resistance in their personal lives.
If you think you actually need evidence to believe, you are still in the lower rungs of "the faith".
>>80133513
If everything was in that grain of sand wouldn't God also be in it and unable to cause the Big Bang?
>>80133053
>Nothing became everything
>>80133319
your eternal soul will burn or be with God
you choose
>>80133499
>>80133394
I personally dont believe good deeds will be rewarded or bad ones punished
the only thing we will get is a faded tombstone with a name that eventually no one will remember
I want the few people who will remember me to at least know I tried to be a good person.
>>80133683
Pascal's wager works both ways m8
>>80133363
>Citations aren't limited to sciences
Point out where I said they were. Oh wait,you can't . Because I didn't .
We are talking about fucking science right now, fuckstick. If you want every definition and application of citations,get a fucking dictionary or Google it. Also,nice way to duck out of a failed argument m8
>>80133257
amino acids don't evolve.
>>80133605
I don't know what to say caused it, really. Nobody knows for sure, but I'm willing to bet there was some sort of chain reaction before the big bang that made it all happen.
In my theory, the big bang wasn't the beginning, but something else was. What it was and is though I have no idea.
>>80133683
If God loves everyone wouldn't he want us all to be with him? Why does he have to punish us for free will, something he gave to us?
>>80133684
well if he doesnt i lose nothing
if he does i win everything
>>80133773
>Everything that gets more complex is evolution
We get the same fucking exams,how are you this retarded
>>80133541
>contemporary post-modern """"culture""""
there are so many people which are angry. to which faction do you belong? srsly what do you mean?
>>80133319
I follow the ways of the Bible because it holds everything you need for s wholesome and healthy life. It also contains everything you need for a healthy and thriving society, all of which, I believe would be seen as good in the eyes of god.
I cannot speak for anyone but myself and the others attending my local church, who share my views.
>>80133399
>objective evidence
No such thing anon.
>>80133839
but what if its a different god that controls everything that neither one of us believe in
>>80133819
this is a fight, satan want to diseve you, you are being Influenced by 2 forces
>>80133773
Viruses aren't organisms, yet they evolve. How do you explain that?
>>80134016
Why does God allow Sagan to exist? Why wouldn't God want to protect us?
>>80133683
>can't prove his proposition true, so he gets angry and threatens everyone who refuses to bend a knee with eternal torture
Wow, sounds like a great organization, where can I sign up?
>>80134079
Scapegoat
>>80134079
Satan* lol
>>80132305
>>80132519
because its unavoidable to reply too without stating some deeper reality. I'm with you
>>80134065
Virus is life, amino acid not.
>>80133928
we will see when we die lol, im taking my chances, Jesus says see the fruits and judge, and i see everything around him matters
Okay, I'll bite. There were enough chemical reactions for amino acids to form, and there were enough amino acids for a DNA to form.
What then?
How will the DNA support itself long enough to (((evolve)))? It has no multiple parts like a fully functional cell does.
It wouldn't have been able to eat other DNAs, it wouldn't have been able to use sunlight since it's just a DNA and had no chloroplasts.
When you worship science that much, at least try to be scientific.
>>80134155
Viruses are not alive, this is a well known scientific fact.
>>80134164
thats the spirit
Look none of us know for sure what the hell lies beyond the cold grip of death
Whatever brings you comfort into that oblivion then believe in it
>>80134164
>Jesus says
take your meds, son
>>80133782
Better question would be how do the atheists explain the Big Bang, or Singularity or this recursive series of asking yet another question after an answer is given. The fact is, we don't know ANYTHING and that is the ultimate level of wisdom.
>>80133928
THOU
SHALT
HAVE
NO
GODS
BEFORE
ME
Not religious but definitely not an atheist. The fact that all living creatures are made up of complex yet often very organized information coming in specific patterns negates the idea that everything is an accident.
>>80134295
we *think* its because the universe goes through a dying rebirth cycle
>>80134079
he want a test what you follow, he put a lousy fallen angel and even then people fails
>>80132741
Lots of children believe in Santa Claus, doesn't make him real.
>>80122170
A lot of them will say science will disprove creationism while only a few of them will elaborate.
>>80134324
Then that other god could have the same views and dump you into their version of hell
>>80132909
Faith and long suffering brings greater happiness
