So when is Europe going to finally federalize and become a super state that truly rivals American global influence. I read that it's being talked about in the EU but never acted upon.
Is it due time for Europe to reclaim her former glory?
>>80058545
The day the EU manages to fully seize power from the nation states wil be the end of Europe. Nothing could be farther from a successful and independent Europe than this terrible construct. We were at our height of might when we had to compete with each other and outdo each other in scientific discoveries, technological prowess and cultural achievements. The EU drags everyone down and in fact numbs us even more than we actually are.
The EU is antonymic to everything Europe stands for.
>>80059400
Yes, because the Napoleonic, 1st and 2nd world wars were so great.
USE!!! USE!!! USE!!! USE!!!
>>80059762
they would have been great if the good guys had won
>>80058545
Europe achieved all of its glory as individual states that were often warring with one another.
>>80058545
what an ugly ass flag
>>80058545
British politicians have always preferred to be USA's pet poodle
>>80059400
>>80059400
You are so wrong. Ever since you've been united, you've gotten that much stronger and influential - but to federalize as one nation, your prowess will only increase. Think of it; you wont even need NATO or American security to defend your borders. You'll become a superpower of America's quality. Your economy will be your GDP. Every EU nation will combine their military might. Your culture will expand like you've never seen it before.
If anything, federalizing will only make you stronger.
A WELL BUREAUCRATIZED MILITARY POLICE BEING NECESARY FOR THE ORDER OF THIS JEW EXPERIMENT, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED.
>>80058545
The American superstate holds global power at the expense of its citizens, not for their benefit.
I hope Europeans resist this chimera and hold on to their identity.
>>80059762
Those wars were all fought in order to create a United States of Europe. They were started by people who could not accept the right of the individual peoples of Europe to live in their own countries with their own cultures and subject to their own laws and government.
How was your civil war?
>>80058545
Never with globalist in charge.
>>80060757
Ah, you're just our senile old man. You don't want to join the U.S.E because you're just like us...you don't want to share in the glory because you think that you're something too exceptional. You want to bask in your own light, sadly for Britain, that light died out long ago...sadly for us, we'll have no choice but pass the hegemon torch to the US of E - if they choose to federalize. But it will be a proud moment for us. To watch our babies grow up the way you watched us grow to be the world hegemon. Then, civilization will be just one step away from finally uniting as Type 1.
>>80060863
What up with the globalist shills today.
>>80059400
This, Europe manages great thing when there is a balance between competition and cooperation.
Collaboration on big scientific projects and favoring trade is a good thing (even though we should keep a bit of protectionnism to preserve a substantial autonomy from each other), political centralized power is a nightmare, it would become the equivalent of URSS.
No.
WRETCHED
FLAG
>>80060337
Sadly, if this doesn't come to pass, America will dominate world wide culture and... My Fellow Earthicans will be a real expression :^)
>>80058545
No one will ever be able to rival America again, it's simple as that.
In any case, there will never be a European federation. The concept totally alienates anyone but the most cucked Euros.
>>80060999
Would be better for all if they federalized. The whole of the world needs to unite like this and stop its needless bickering over what territory is there's - what sea belongs to whom. So fucking ridiculous.
>>80061364
The EU and its supporters are Anti-Democracy. This is shown by the fact that elected representatives have less legislative power than the appointed European Commission. This is anti-American, anti-democracy, and must be destroyed for the glory of America! Freedom for the UK, freedom for all!
>>80061393
Just anxious for the future, baby.
>>80058545
Never. Europe is a sinking ship, not a rising power
>>80058545
Imagine the differences between your states, which are already pretty noticeable, magnified by ten thousand. That's Europe. There is absolutely no way a gigantic European federation is going to work, the infighting would cause it to collapse in 5 years maximum.
>>80058545
Do you think anything the EU says will happen? I'm still waiting for this apparent world war 3 they said would happen if we leave.
>>80058545
it could have been such a force for good
>western european union
>unified border with Australian style controls
>unified sanctions of zimbabwe and south africa and jointly letting whites return to europe
>free movement between rich European countries
>>80061801
Your vision of democracy is about as archaic as the feudal system.
>the rich controls the system
>trickle down economic
>profit over progress
>unregulated capitalism
>survival of the fittest
A Social Oligarchy is FAR from anything truly democratic. Wake up and smell the future.
>>80058545
>Reclaim glory
>By being conquered
Americans have a very very strange view of the world. Being cucked is "good" to you guys.
>>80058545
confederate style EU flag for when UK, Holland, Austrua and Portugal secede from the union and there's a civil war?
>>80062300
Ah yes because a system controlled by the rich with extreme regulations and socialism is a lot better.
>>80058545
Never. It's one of those "looks good on paper" things. Can't work. The EU went down that route, allowed all citizens free travel and issued a single currency. The currency is worthless and everyone wonders why they can't have their own country. It's not what people want. People don't mind poverty if it means they can keep what's theirs.
>>80062268
Damn. You right-wing brits are but a European version of our North American teabagger society.
>both religious
>both worship the higher authority
>both dependent on archaic traditions/political strategy
>both fear social change
>both based the fallacy of making the higher class on a system that keeps them below it
kek
European countries don't even speak the same language, they're going to have a hell of a time joining into a super-state. That's obviously the end goal of the EU, but they're trying to force it way too fucking hard and it's blowing up in their face.
>>80062559
What? Not sure if we're on the same page here. I'm for social progress. The rich cant control with a regulated capital economy. More government, means less control for the wealthy. You should know this.
>The muslim califate of Brussels
>>80058545
>America still thinks that the EU is like a european united states, with a free market and a healthy dose of nationalism
>doesn't realize that it's closer to a new soviet union ruled by globalist cucks who want to flood their countries with third world immigrants and over-regulate literally everything
I don't understand what the fuck is wrong with this continent. The more success America achieves, the more europe does the opposite and fails. And ever since Obama got into power, America has been going the same way. Why can't the west understand that globalism and socialism is the fucking tumor that is killing society?
>>80060863
>You are so wrong. Ever since you've been united, you've gotten that much stronger and influential
Certainly true. But was it completely desireable? While Germany as a nation can handle itself very well - when being strongly federalised - Germany can't govern Europe very well, as we have seen in the past and as we see it right now. When (Greater-) Germany tries to reach too far in Europe it usually ends in shit. We don't understand our neighbours good enough, I think.
>Think of it; you wont even need NATO or American security to defend your borders.
I'm all for european security cooperation but I dont think we need the EU for that. If Germany would get it's shit together and stop with the hippie attitude we could be a leading military tech nation, well equipped and even span some of our security umbrella over the Baltics, Poland and some balkan countries.
>Your culture will expand like you've never seen it before.
Don't think so. Germany (less true for Europe) is a cultural desert because we handed the funding for culture to the state. All these very popular TV-shows are made in the US and are made by the free market. We aren't even very good in the cutting edge culture-stuff like videogames, unfortunately.
>>80058545
wont happen. america will become hostile towards it if it tries as it would threaten the standard for currency the dollar.
i know you think the euro and pound are already worth more so whats the big deal but its more complicated than that
>No goy, the EU will save Europe. Now open your borders and accept a few more million of Subsaharan "Syrians"
>Also we are gonna ban Guns, free speech, and regulate anus sizes
>>80062369
Being "cucked" is when the rich have all the wealth, power and government - while the middle class gets taxed into oblivion. Kind of what we Americans are sick of getting used too.
It's called an Oligarchy with a democratic concentration.
>>80063985
Which is exactly what you're advocating for
>>800639545
America cannot threaten what it can't control.
Besides, Europe will always abide to our best interests; they will not let the dollar sink or allow the Euro to usurp it because in doing so, they will fuck their own economy. Eventually, all of the West will have to merge.
>>80058545
>when
>>80058545
Sovereignty and the will of the people aside, it could've only worked with Germany+BeNeLux+Britain+France+Austria+Nordics
Taking in Eastern and Southern trash was the moment the EU signed it's death certificate. They chose expansionism over stability which is how empires fall.
>>80064169
On the contrary, I'm not. I want capitalism to be controlled...not free to fuck the people for its own greed. I want a political system that resonates the current EU. One that benefits the many and not just the few. Get it now?
>>80058545
I think you mean the Islamic State of Almania and Faransa. The wheels are already in motion, fret ye not
>>80063247
>Religious.
Disregarded right there.
>>80064495
> it could've only worked with Germany+France
Nope, it couldn't. A union between Germany and France cannot work. That's in fact the birth defect that's plagueing this union.
Germany and France are way too different to form even a common currency union let alone all the other stuff they are proposing, like the deranged that they are, in Brussels.
>>80063973
Still beats the feudal system.
>>80064552
>benefits the many and not just the few
>Advocating the EU
You literally can't make this shit up. This has to be bait.
>>80064552
> I want a political system that resonates the current EU. One that benefits the many and not just the few. Get it now?
Yeah i get it, it get that you really have absolutely no understanding of the EU. I suggest you do your research in future first before making threads like these, it makes you look silly. This is not even taking into account how ancient European countries are and how their cultures are all different etc.
>>80065134
Yes and living in China beats living in North korea, but I am glad I am not living in either
I agree but only under this flag
>>80066152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEeSPc5oTcM
>>80064958
How so? Is Britain still part of the EU?
>>80066479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGZHHXiUYQ
>>80066746
>>80066479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDLyKSYRqXM
>>80058545
Yes.
But your flag designe is not the best.
>>80066913
>>80066913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOXmrVR00RI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbO3_vHpehM
>>80065181
>>80065778
Wow. No wonder you voted for isolation. Your education is on par with the average dum-fuck American. You sheepfucking brits and the degeneracy of Trumplets in this stupid fucking country have more in common than I originally thought. You spit in the face of fact and champion your own, misguided ignorance with pride.
Sad, really old chummy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmtuCzKy83U
>>80067003
I think a red flag would suit the modern EU the most.
GO GET EM!
>>80067003
It's not MY design. It's just a prelude of what it could look like - since, concurrently, there is no flag design.
Never.
Europa consists of many different countries with different culture and language and values.
It's not like the states of us.
>>80067285
So instead of explaining how the EU isn't the feudalism/oligarchy you seem to hate you just attack me. Yeah, heres you (You).
>>80063461
>The rich cant control with a regulated capital economy. More government, means less control for the wealthy. You should know this.
>he actually believes this
Protip: who do you think controls the government?
A bigger government just means a less accountable one.
>>80065967
Now that, I'll agree.
>>80067285
He's still going!
>>80058545
When Muslims become majority and take over. But it will be a shit place to live and for white non-muslim a shit place to be stabbed/beheaded.
>>80067003
>But your flag design is not the best.
How about this one?
>>80068182
twinkle twinkle little star, oh how fanatically degenerate you are!
>>80058545
Never
There will be too many shitskins stinking the place up and every last white person worth a shit will move here ensuring our dominance for the next thousand years
>>80068304
>Netherlands calling someone else a degenerate
Don't make me laugh.
>>80067714
Wtf? The EU is a political system that puts humanity, progress and socialism over the capital greed. While, that may contradict the signing of TTIP, its still the best system that the world can currently emulate. Only an oligarchy would deny the welfare of its citizens; deny the right to free healthcare so that independent health agencies can maintain a steady profit! Now THATS feudalism.
>>80058545
So whats the deal with these?
Does the star circle represent the serpent?
>>80068575
I am stateless. The Netherlands currently does not exist
>>80065134
It's still there.
You pay taxes, get protection. Or else ;)
>>80067836
I'll educate you as often as I must.
>>80068752
He's STILL going!
And still wrong!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-xecPFivPs
>>80068752
Let's see how your delusions help you in some 20 years when muslims become majority and knife/shoot/behead the white minority.
Assuming based Google doesn't implement robotic army and global corporate state.
>>80065009
Wasn't the original point of the Coal and Steel community to shackle you two together to prevent another war? Hell the only reason you adopted the Euro was that it was a French condition for reunification.
>>80059400
Our "world" got kinda bigger since the XIX century and nowadays Europe sticks out like a sour thumb with mostly small and increasingly irrelevant countries that can't agree on anything despite numerous things they have in common.
Literally the Balkans of the planet Earth.
>>80058545
>Implying the EU wasn't implemented to cripple germany
>implying they dont want a EUSSR with highly centralized government
>imblying
>>80069299
Ah, Russia! Now there is a prime example of an autocratic system of governing. Notice how the western part of the country is barley developed enough to pull its head from its eastern half of third world standards. It's HDI is low. It's government, oppressive. The water is not even potable. It's infrastructure looks the same as it did when the Germans left it - and this is all due to their backward way of thinking. The Russians are akin to the teabagging American degenerate or the sheepfucking conservative Brit - religious, archaic, submissive and uneducated. The fear of change makes them attack anyone who wants it.
So they remain - tattered in rags and post industrial filth over the stagnant of their traditions and beliefs.
>>80061393
>What up with the globalist shills today
With all those protectionist policies out the ass? EU is anti-globalist as fuck. It caters to it's member states interests only.
If the EU leadership wasn't the most corrupt people in the world I think it could have worked. But I don't think Europe even knows who their leaders are (who get paid so much fucking money it's no wonder tax is high over there) and the EU is failing. People don't care because of muh nation-state nationalism. It was set up to be a failure when the people just don't care.
>>80070873
Not an EUSSR...but a United States of Europe. It sounds better, trust me.
>>80058545
Fuck the EU. What we need is a voluntary alliance of European countries where each European country retains its sovereignty and independence.
>>80062725
>People don't mind poverty if it means they can keep what's theirs.
That should be the EU's motto.
>>80071220
All while accepting tens of thousands of refugees and immigrants from the 3rd world everyyear???
>>80071588
>What we need is a voluntary alliance of European countries where each European country retains its sovereignty and independence.
>Fuck the EU.
>>80071220
>EU is anti-globalist as fuck. It caters to it's member states interests only.
Full blue-pill, you retard. The EU is globalist as fuck, it's planned as being just one of multiple super-states evolved out of economic trade areas. The plan is for a super-state for each continent (Oceania is a continent in this model) and then to combine the super-states into a single global government with a single global army and a single global currency (which is completely electronic - and this has fundamental implications for freedom).
>>80072488
>Implying that EU member-states weren't coerced into joining the EU
>>80058545
They will never federalize because no states would ever give up their national sovereignty for a failed European economic commission that can't even close their borders in a crisis or negotiate debt payments properly and simultaneously forces its member states into poverty.
>>80070938
>religion, archaic, submissive and uneducated
true, submissive because of commies
but, europs is going to become much more religios, archaic and uneducated in things besides Koran ;)
>>80072406
Yes every one can apply. Dos not mean you get in and stay.
>>80072488
No.
You in with all of the attached danguers and benefits or you can go and fuck your self.
Fuck polska.
>>80072406
Refugee crisis is a good example of negative consequences of globalization that EU tries to counter. You have a foreign superpower (USA) waging war against some irrelevant third world shithole, but due to its proximity the negative effects of the war (refugees) were only felt by Europe, and not the country who caused this mess in the first place. Do you think if EU didn't exist Syrians and other assorted peoples wouldnt just storm through Europe like they did last year? Look at Serbia, they're not in EU but the muslims still went through the country like a hot knife through butter. If anything the crisis would be even worse, there would be no coordinated response and countries would try to dump the responsibility on one another. The whole thing could have easily ended in a war, especially in the already violate Balkans.
>>80069362
>Wasn't the original point of the Coal and Steel community to shackle you two together to prevent another war?
Yes?
>Hell the only reason you adopted the Euro was that it was a French condition for reunification.
Correct.
What's your point though? I remain my statement: a German-French union cannot work. The Coal and Steel thing doesn't contradict that. The german steel plants developed in a total different direction than the french ones.
>>80070610
>Our "world" got kinda bigger since the XIX century
Kinda, yes. So?
>nowadays Europe sticks out like a sour thumb with mostly small and increasingly irrelevant countries that can't agree on anything
No, the number of countries increases all the time. There are more nations now on this planet than ever before. And they don't agree on much, that's for sure. In fact, that's why these countries come to life in the first place. If geographically distinct people can't agree on something they either go to (civil-) war with each other, or they secede.
>>80074390
Ah fair enough but brits think those problems are britains and ultimately europes fault there are calls for tony blair to be brought up on war crimes for the middle east when ultimately that entire mess was dick cheneys fault
>>80058545
Voters rejected the Treaty of Rome establishing EU constitution en masse.
The Treaty of Lisbon, which is Rome with all the teeth removed, barely passed plebiscites, and more or less caused Brexit 7 years later.
It probably take until 2040 before complete integration.
* I say 2040 because political integration is predicated on cultural integration, and old people who don't speak English will have to all die before European cultures become amalgamated.
>>80058545
>So when is Europe going to finally federalize and become a super state that truly rivals American global influence
Never, the Euro constitution is written to suppress peoples freedom, the opposite of ours, so it's not physically possible for the EU to become powerful without a free population.
>>80074390
>Refugee crisis is a good example of negative consequences of globalization that EU tries to counter.
Bullshit.
Juncker and Merkel were hellbent on keeping the borders open because muh Schengen. They feared that the EU would start to crumble if we would close intra-EU borders and thus force Greece to do something about its seaborder.
Remember: At one point earlier in the debt crisis last summer Greece threatened to send all the refugees further into the EU saying "and there are probably some ISIS terrorists among them". They also declined help from the EU.
If you can't act against a member of your union after such an affront and because you think your whole petty globalist projects goes down the drain because the necessary needs to be done, then it's probably shit.
>Look at Serbia, they're not in EU but the muslims still went through the country like a hot knife through butter.
Because they are all dependent on Berlin/Brussels for monies and accession talks. The whole of Europe is dependent on Germany, by now. And we, again, blow it.
If Serbia felt, they would end up in their country, they would have probably gunned them all down. It's Serbia after all.
>If anything the crisis would be even worse, there would be no coordinated response and countries would try to dump the responsibility on one another.
GOOD! That's exactly how Austria solved the problem. They said: either you fix your borders or we let the shit run up at ours. Then you deal with it. That's exactly how Kurz communicated it, too. It worked.
>The whole thing could have easily ended in a war, especially in the already violate Balkans.
War in the Balkans? *yawn*
So, nothing new on the western front?
>>80074185
Financial redistribution is a necessity in a political union with large regional wealth differences, such as the EU. Without them the poorer states would get absolutely, completely fucked over by brain drain. In a way you can interpret the EU funds as a partial transfer of wealth the country's workers produced in the richer states.
By the way, the EU subsides are still laughably small compared to something like USA state-to-state transfers, even though the difference between the richest and the poorest US state is much smaller than between let's say Poland and Germany. But I'm too lazy to dig up the relevant data.
>>80076749
So you would rather have EU countries close their borders and let this shit stir until a humanitarian crisis in the Balkans breaks out? Another war would have had far more damaging consequences than taking the migrants in while working on a deal with the bordering countries did, for all parties involved.
>They also declined help from the EU.
Yeah, because they knew that had they accepted the aid they would be forced to keep those million or so migrants within their borders, and Greece already had it bad enough with another euro crisis and almost getting kicked out of the union last year.
>f Serbia felt, they would end up in their country, they would have probably gunned them all down. It's Serbia after all.
Oh come on, you and I both know this would never work that way, NATO would make a short job of them once again.
>>80058545
Shouldn't there be 7 stripes?
>>80058545
That flag looks fucking gross
>>80060863
People are retarded and don't realize that in a globalized world you're a piece of meat if you're alone and unable to protect the societal values you share with your neighbours.
If the EU doesn't become what it was supposed to become when the path was taken in the 1950's, in two decades from now you'll see them whining about how the US and China are pressuring their socioeconomic fabric into something dramatically different and foreign.
>muh culture
>muh independence
>implying a union with your neighbours is more a threat to your survival than global competing superpowers
>literally every single country that survived as a society, a culture and an independent power had to unify into a larger block at some point of their history
>>80058545
What as a Muslim capital of the world with Islam and killing freely are not outlawed. Yeah no eu will explode within 10 years
>>80083733
I noticed /pol/ has generally little to no idea what globalisation really is.
Then again this is the board where the word "cuck" can mean anything from watching interracial porn to helping a woman carry her baggage.
>>80059762
Nationalism was dead in 1914. At that time you could move freely throughout Europe without a passport and cultures became intermingled with each other. Also, a big part of Hitler's decision to invade Poland was based on the fact that there were Germans living in Poland from before WWI. If you're going to blame the world wars on the cultural climate of the time, you have to at least be accurate in knowing that Europe was very much open borders/globalized prior to both.
>>80083733
In 2 decades USA will be majority brown and China will implode as automation replaces the backbone of their economy - dirt cheap labor
>>80059762
> Imperialism is nationalism
Nice one. It's actually the opposite of that
>>80084808
Actually the biggest advance in globalisation occurred in late XIX century. But it was mostly economical in nature, so it didn't do anything to stop nationalism from ravaging Europe. "Cultural" globalisation was more of a XX century thing.
>>80083322
>So you would rather have EU countries close their borders and let this shit stir until a humanitarian crisis in the Balkans breaks out?
Why is it our task to sort the shit in the Balkans out? Can't they have orderly relations on their own? Are these guys children, or what?
>Yeah, because they knew that had they accepted the aid they would be forced to keep those million or so migrants within their borders
Really? Who would have forced them? Haven't read anything about that form that angle.
Nevertheless, shouldn't they from the get-go try to prevent migrants unlawfully crossing their waters? It's their duty as a country with EU outter borders. The fact alone that they speculated to have the illegal immigrants funnel towards central Europe is enough of a proof that without the EU this whole situation wouldn't have arisen in the first place. It would have been in their utmost to get these people away from Greece.
>Oh come on, you and I both know this would never work that way, NATO would make a short job of them once again.
Border security is very well laid out in international law. You have a lot of measures at hand to prevent illegal border crossings. Hungary succeeded.
>>80058545
Europe is nearer destruction than anything else.
I think every redpilled european would love to see united Europe (not the actual jewish trick that we have), but right now northern europeans probably hate us, and we hate Germany, and Germany hates everybody and everybody hates Germany, and Greece is fucked up and is a black hole of money, Britain just left the boat, etc.
We need 4 basic things:
>1. United fiscal policy
>2. Sacred sovereignty for basic social issues. Mediterranean countries are not nordic countries nor slavs
>3. Supranational independent bureau anti-corruption; southern countries are corrupt as fuck and, at least here, politicians feel free to literally rob us in our faces without any consecuences, and we need an URGENT cleaning. Also transparency.
>4.Some kind of system of participation in European institutions. We all see EU like a fucking bureucratic monster far far away from us.
>>80064552
fuck of communist shill
>>80058545
Where you guys failed is where America is great.
The fact you cannot unite together and its the year 2016 speaks for itself.
We have developed a term for 'super power' which includes a minimum of amount of land-mass a nation or united front must have.
Europe not being able to unite makes you guys not able to meet this requirement.
If only now in 2016 you are even thinking about uniting ... it will take decades for you guys to work out the kinks before you can regain any glory as a modern cultural center or modern source for innovation.
The place for cultural innovation and any innovation worldwide has been blacks in America since the 1950s!
It will take Europe a very long time to 1. unite to become a super power then 2. work out the kinks to make it actually work so that they can reclaim their role as the cultural center of the world.
You guys have alot of work to do.
America learned from this limitation of Europe and that is why it is a super power in the world today.
Its also very clear that the other super powers like Russia and China are not able to promote innovation because of their Governments which limit any cultural growth or innovation.
Europe needs to act quickly so the world can be a better place.
>>80085991
> The place for cultural innovation and any innovation worldwide has been blacks in America since the 1950s!
>>80059400
Spot on, based German.
>>80060863
This is an obvious shillpost.
gtfo kike
>>80083733
>People are retarded and don't realize that in a globalized world you're a piece of meat if you're alone and unable to protect the societal values you share with your neighbours.
We don't share too many societal values with the French.
>>implying a union with your neighbours is more a threat to your survival than global competing superpowers
If Germany would uncuck itself and do what needs to be done, then we would be very well able to compete with the US and China.
>literally every single country that survived as a society, a culture and an independent power had to unify into a larger block at some point of their history
That's hardly a falsifieable statement, but I'll say: Switzerland.
In fact, most of the unions that aimed for that failed (UdSSR, Yugoslavia, Habsburg, Ottoman, Napoleon).
>>implying a union with your neighbours is more a threat to your survival than global competing superpowers
Germany gets dragged down and has to pay up for everyone. That's my take-away message from the EU.
>>80084575
>I noticed /pol/ has generally little to no idea what globalisation really is.
Then make a thread polack. I'm waiting for a globalisation thread for some time now.
>>80058545
>imblying EU will ever do that
First off there is no European treasury so any money the ECB collects gets either reloaned or stored so Europe is CONSTANTLY in debt.
>>80059762
suuuuuurreee you're totally not mentally ill.
>>80061364
STFU senile weirdo
>>80060757
Other way around U.S is Britains bitch.
>>80083733
>Literally every single country that survived as a society, a culture
Europe is much more diverse than you are making it out to be
We aren't like the USA
There are many cultures vastly different from one another
Superstate EU just doesn't work
We're too different
Why can't we just respect these differences and do our own things without trying to make everyone submit to subjectively abstract cultural norms
EU is a doomed project and it's made us all weak and compromising
>>80087727
>stored
>no treasury
yeahhh
>>80088077
>stored in ECB bank
>imblying that's a treausy
Sure buddy, im going to pretend you aren't mentally ill.
>>80058545
Ya dun goofd
>>80088495
>ECB lends but also credited
>Forever in debt
How does that work from first principles?
>Implying ECB isn't a treasury
>>80058545
Not until the Eternal Anglo is defeated, we will not have a united and prosperous Europe.
>>80089067
ECB isn't a treasury because nations can't take from it. U.S treasury is a treasury because U.S government can take from it without borrowing.
>>80060757
Would prefer to be an American state than an EU province.
>>80059400
Humanity's curse. No force of nature can destroy us any more, only the monsters we have created.
>>80058545
When it becomes a caliphate
>>80058545
Point out a single little thing that has become better for the poeple since the EU was created.
>>80058545
Your dream will remain unrealized, globalist scum.
>>80058545
europe is not a country you fucking burger
>>80087921
>We're too different
You obviously haven't travelled Europe and the world, or you're shallow as fuck and unable to blend in.
Most of the differences I've seen are superficial behaviours upon the same canvas of key values and philosophical principles about society, individuals, the state, the economy and culture.
Good luck trying to set up something as fundamental as the NHS in the US or China for instance.
England is a specificity though, as much of you guys are fucking retarded and brainwashed when it comes to the EU.
Either that or you have a major personality disorder considering you willingfully joined an ongoing unification process, only to complain about the ongoing unification process and fuck up the hard work undertaken by the founding countries 20 years earlier.
>>80068752
>States an oligarchy denies this stuff
>Calls it Feudalism
Go away child. I can't believe how shitty our educational system has gotten.
>>80058545
>former glory
ayy lmao
>>80085574
>Why is it our task to sort the shit in the Balkans out? Can't they have orderly relations on their own? Are these guys children, or what?
Balkan democracy is still rather young and underdeveloped in a lot of places. Serbia's last general election was rigged by literally 1 vote just so the current ruling party could still hold a super majority in the parliament. Anyway, it's not the case of "having to", rather than "minimizing the risks". As long as it doesn't threat the western countries they couldn't care less what kind of fuckery happens on their political scene (unless said countries are in the EU).
>Really? Who would have forced them?
International treaties, I guess. It's been a while since I last read into this topic but that was basically the argument when people asked why Greece didn't accept EUs "help".
>Nevertheless, shouldn't they from the get-go try to prevent migrants unlawfully crossing their waters?
Because water borders are pretty much un-defendable, especially against such a massive human wave. Shooting the migrant boats was also out of question for the reasons I've already mentioned earlier.
>Border security is very well laid out in international law. You have a lot of measures at hand to prevent illegal border crossings.
True, but none of them involve killing people apperentely seeking safety from war (I know, >implying). That only happened once in Bulgaria and the responsible party was immidately condemened.
>>80072835
I think you forgot something
>>80096030
don't be upset that we have some nationalistic pride but your country is cucked and your women love muslim dick
>>80096030
I'm inclined to agree, the first time I ever felt something resembling a culture shock was when I first traveled to the USA. All the shit I experienced in Europe before (and I traveled through most of Western and Southern Europe, and about 1/3 of Eastern Europe) felt so small time in comparision. Unfortunately not many people have a chance to travel to another continent and feel the difference on their own skin, so we're pretty much banging our heads against the wall here.
>England is a specificity though, as much of you guys are fucking retarded and brainwashed when it comes to the EU.
I don't think they're brainwashed, just poorly educated. I washing the anti-Brexit demonstration in London, and when the crowd started singling "Ode to joy", literally no one in the crowd knew the lyrics. And these was supposed to be their pro-EU crowd! They all were singing some generic "lalala" instead, like little children. I mean I guess in the bigger picture it's not that big of a deal, but it really put some things into perspective for me.
>>80099194
>washing
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>these
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quickfix
>>80097720
>Anyway, it's not the case of "having to", rather than "minimizing the risks".
Fair enough.
Still. Austria did it exactly right. They used their old acquaintances down there and closed the borders to put the pressure on Greece. And it did the job.
The EU did nothing. Absolutely NOTHING. In facht Merkel kept bitching about Austria, despite them saving her old and fat arse.
>Because water borders are pretty much un-defendable
Bullshit. They are much easier to defend against such an intruder than land borders. But the Greek Navy didn't even support the coast guard; not even with some radar or sonar. I've read articles from the beginning of this year that were just mind blowing how much (deliberate) incompetence Greece put on display in that matter.
>True, but none of them involve killing people apperentely seeking safety from war
I might have used a slight hyperbole in my OP. My point still stands: There are tons of measures to prevent illegal border crossings. Don't know why Serbia, out of all places, doesn't take of themselves more fervently. There are still hundreds of illegal migrants using the Balkan route, as of today.
>>80061508
>not china
>>80099194
> and when the crowd started singling "Ode to joy", literally no one in the crowd knew the lyrics.
And you are going to tell me, you, a polack knows the (german) lyrics of the Ode an die Freude? If yes, then you're probably the only Pole.
>Unfortunately not many people have a chance to travel to another continent and feel the difference on their own skin
I've backpacked through Europe after my studies. For almost a year. And there is no way in hell we can make one country out of this continent. Fortunately!
It's a way too beautiful and diverse continent to have it all ruled from some opaque circles in Brussels. The fact that there are even more different places in the world is hardly an argument, is it?
I don't think I will ever understand the EU fanatics. Are you genuinely worried about some outside threat or are you driven by an (internal) need to be part of something bigger?
>>80064552
You're a Socialist Yahoo!?
>>80102464
>And you are going to tell me, you, a polack knows the (german) lyrics of the Ode an die Freude?
We were taught the translated lyrics of course, I assumed the other countries do too.
>I've backpacked through Europe after my studies. For almost a year. And there is no way in hell we can make one country out of this continent.
Hah, if you feel the differences between the European countries are so deep then you better never try stepping out to truly foreign cultures like the American or the Japanese one, the culture shock might knock you out.
>It's a way too beautiful and diverse continent to have it all ruled from some opaque circles in Brussels
Hence why when people talk about unified Europe, they only ever talk about a federation...
>I don't think I will ever understand the EU fanatics. Are you genuinely worried about some outside threat or are you driven by an (internal) need to be part of something bigger?
I'm actually pretty neutral to the idea myself. Our continent knows both succesful (Germany, Italy) and failed (Austria-Hungary, Yugoslavia) examples of unification, so it really could go both ways.
>>80061508
The sheer fact that you're being culturally challenged by small and resourceless nations like Britain and Japan proves how shit your country is in the culture war.
>>80091242
Would prefer to be an independent nation and reclaim our superpower status by building a world empire.
>>80066152
The only way
>>80061801
If the EU falls, you fall too.
You're country has invested so much in the EU, so much that you rely on it.
Furthermore, Obama's bigoted and rash actions have lost you your only ally, making your friendless in a world that hates you.
America's days will be gone if a miracle doesn't happen.
I don't think the EU can work like the US,
Europe is full of different nations, and although there are a lot of states, they were all created by the same kind of people and ideals,
each european country is different and has a different past, you can't just unite them all.
EU: 9001 cultures that like and dislike eachother (also inside a country)
USA: white western culture.
too many different polarities(cultures) that attract and repel each other preventing the folk from ever uniting, unless there is one common enemy (islame) like a few hundred years ago.
>>80096030
Britain is completely different to Europe. We're like our own separate continent.
>>80104702
>We were taught the translated lyrics of course, I assumed the other countries do too.
No shit?! You learned that at school? Interesting.
>you better never try stepping out to truly foreign cultures like the American or the Japanese one
I've been outside of Europe. South America, Bahamas, most countries around the Mediterranean and to Vietnam.
Of course it's way more different there.
>Hence why when people talk about unified Europe, they only ever talk about a federation...
Hair-splitting. The kind of federation the EU seeks is less federal than Germany to its states or Switzerland to its Kantons.
>I'm actually pretty neutral to the idea myself.
ok. But you seem to be interested in the idea itself, it seems.
Also:
>Italy
>succesful
>>80058545
never. Nigel put that to rest.
>>80107499
>No shit?! You learned that at school? Interesting.
In elementary school we were taught how to sing it and play it on flute. I still know the first verse by heart.
>The kind of federation the EU seeks is less federal than Germany to its states or Switzerland to its Kantons.
We don't now what kind of federation (if any) the EU is seeking, since nothing concrete has been said so far.
>ok. But you seem to be interested in the idea itself, it seems.
Cause I'm tired of /pol/ being an anti-EU circlejerk all the time in all honesty. I'm here to provide a balanced view basically.
>Italy
>succesful
As a country that was made up of multiple different provinces, they're definitely pretty succesful. No major separatist movements that would be comparable to let's say Catalunya in Spain, and until the 80ties (?) they were the third or second largest economy on the entire continent. I wouldn't write them off so quickly just because they face a bit of economic downturn nowadays.
