Mary veneration thread
sola christus, you literal cuck
Being a Catholic, learning Latin in highschool and my grandfather being fluid in Latin, I knew main catholic prayers by on Latin, by heart. Latin is always good to know.
Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum. Benedicta tu in mulieribus, et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.
>Christianity is monotheistic
>Pray to saints or the virgin mary
>>80042756
catholics are just pagans who like jesus
>>80042756
We only pray to God though
>>80042656
Much better
Shouldn't you pray to god and not to Jesus or the Jew who birthed Jesus?
>>80042337
Absolute heretic get out of here with the ahmed licking pope
>>80042944
Jesus is God. And we ask Mary to pray for us because she's in heaven with God
Mary got ROMANED.com by a legionary and jesus played a 500-year con against Rome to get revenge and make Israel great again.
>>80042337
Salve, Regina, Mater misericordiae,
vita dulcedo, et spes nostra, salve.
Ad te clamamus, exsules filii Hevae,
ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes,
in hac lacrimarum valle.
Eia, ergo, advocata nostra,
illos tuos misericordes oculos ad nos converte;
et Iesum, benedictum fructum ventris tui,
nobis post hoc exilium ostende.
O clemens, O pia, O dulcis Virgo Maria.
Ora pro nobis, Sancta Dei Genetrix.
R./ Ut digne efficiamur promissionibus Christi. Amen.
For those who still doubt, read the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Fátima
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Akita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Lourdes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Beauraing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Banneux
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Zeitoun
***especially this one***
http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/reflections.htm
***especially this one***
>>80042944
>>80042832
>>80042756
>>80042432
Thx for bumps, guys.
>>80042337
Dios te salve, María, llena de gracia, el Señor es contigo.
Bendita eres entre todas las mujeres
y bendito es el fruto de tu vientre, Jesús.
Santa María, Madre de Dios, ruega por nosotros pecadores ahora y en la hora de nuestra muerte.
Amén.
>>80042432
>>80042756
>>80042832
>>80042944
>protestants
Wew
Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners...
>>80042656
>learning Latin in highschool and my grandfather being fluid in Latin, I knew main catholic prayers by on Latin, by heart. Latin is always good to know.
Same here, do you go to Latin Mass? The level of the homily in the Latin mass is so superior to the vulgar one, where I live at least. It's like the regular Mass homily is addressed to mentally challenged persons, children or medieval peasants. The Latin one often delves into historical background and philosophical stuff. Not sure if they just suppose that churchgoers who know Latin are intellectually superior or what. The difference is clear as day.
Bump!
>>80042337
Heathens
>>80043109
God I keked vigorously.
>>80042934
>and mary
>and every one of the hundreds of saints
>>80043043
>yes, we catholics pray to mary - ignoring the trinity and the 1st commandment
>>80043481
>we catholics are wrong about salvation
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-6-47/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-5-24/
Jesus' words are very clear in this regard.
>cathlics/orthodox BTFO
>>80043539
Stopped bro. No time and really, desu, lack of will.
I used to have a mild obsession with Mary as a 2nd grade elementary student, well she didn't help with my problems at all. At least it felt nice to think someone worried about me. It had come to the point I kept looking at the sky for hours. I was disappointed I never saw Mary. Adults really should watch what they say around their kids, I followed my parents words as they were holy commandment.
>>80043539
But yea, I believe that knowing Latin is alpha AF.
>>80042337
where in the Bible does it say we should pray to mary? I thought God said "you will have no other gods"
>>80043481
>simply put
"believing, is behaving" but that does not include mary worship.
https://discord.gg/Aj62k
>>80042337
Converted Ahmed
>>80045070
Oh boy, you dirty fucking pleb.
The gospels of Matthew and Luke in the New Testament describe Mary as a virgin and Christians believe that she conceived her son while a virgin by the Holy Spirit.
There are saints who are blessed by the Holy Spirit. And that's the reason they are praised.
Americans can't into Mary, because Protestants.
>>80044732
Well she saw you. Stay strong pham
>>80045295
But why would i call the plumber's mother in order to have plumbing done? So anyone blessed means we should worship them?
>>80045070
Catholics don't pray to Mary.
I'm catholic. Never felt like I was praying to her as a deity just giving thanks for being a great mother.
>>80045369
>Worshiping Mary and not God
Heretic
>>80045407
We don't worship her. We venerate her because of her devotion to God. Christ honored his mother and so should we
>>80045447
Definition of pray - to speak to God especially in order to give thanks or to ask for something. : to hope or wish very much for something to happen.
: to seriously ask (someone) to do something.
Why ask her when you can pray to God directly? This seems like priestly ritualistic controlling of the dirty lay people to me
>>80042337
Red pill me on Catholicism. What kind of bible should I get, senpai?
>>80045604
>because of her devotion to God
How does that exactly merit you praying to her? Why would I pray to something that isn't God?
>>80045615
We don't read the bible
just old testament
>>80045744
that would be the Torah
>>80045447
>catholics dont pray to mary
>>80043043
>we ask mary (by praying) to pray for us.
this catholics logic.
please reread the 1st commandment and stop this sacrilege. only pray to the trinity.
>>80045833
I know
>>80045615
KJV is okay. Revised standart is better I think. You can just google best english translations and get yourself an idea. YOu can also read passages online to see the different styles
>>80045869
I like how you had to change what I said because you know you're wrong.
>only pray to the trinity
I do and so does Mary
>>80045869
Oh ALLEY OOP!
WAY TO GO MY AMERICAN BRUTHA!
>>80045615
catholics dont read the bible. they rely on priests to read it to them. you must have a priest that is higher than a man.. also a high priest that stands between you and salvation.
where as protestants are all brothers and equals unto the lord, they teach and learn from the bible together, their preachers are not better or holier than them, but one of the flock.
What did he mean by this?
>>80046070
DELETE THIS!
>>80045975
please explain the difference between asking mary to do something for you and God doing something for you?
>>80045975
which is your favorite saint to "ASK" (by praying to the saint)?
>>80045615
>>80045744
King James Version is sort of the standard, but its the only one I'm really familiar with.
>HAIL, HOLY QUEEN, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!
>>80045986
>their preachers are not better or holier than them, but one of the flock
This 2bh. Not like Christ told his apostles to gather the flock. Not like Peter is the cornerstone on which his church is build.
>and I say to you that you are Peter and upon this bible I will build my church. 100 years from now when the heretic catholic church gathers the Bible for which ironically they are guided by the holy spirit but in no else decision
>Reddit 4:20
>>80046070
>>80046123
The same thing Jesus meant when he washed the feet of Judas I guess. If protdittors were around when Jesus was on earth they'd call him a cuck
>>80046133
Because nobody asks Mary to DO something. We aks her to pray on our behalf. Because she's in heaven. WITH GOD. Physically. Are you genuinely this slow or are you pretending?
>Virgin Mary
Why was she still virgin? Wasn't she married to that guy? Is this the greatest beta cuck story of all time?
>>80046134
I don't. Except Mary. I see them more as role models to grow in faith
>>80046173
the Lutherans, for which your referring to realized the majority of the man made rituals and priestly control had no SPECIFIC basis in the Bible. Its a crooked way to keep people in fear. If there was no "purgatory" noone would habeeb in catholicism
>>80046302
the kiss is kind of strange though. I don't like this pope
>>80045579
>wanting protection from Jesus who died for human sins in human flesh
>not even accepting Jesus' mother
>>80044699
You're okay with Novus Ordo?
After attending Latin Mass I can never sit through an NO the same way again.
>>80046302
yes, in fact you do pray. Here's a big fat list of certain saints you can pray to for a certain problem.
http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Which-Saints-are-the-Most-Responsive-to-Prayers
for maximum effect, make weekly confessions to your catholic priest all the times you beat off to /mlp/
>>80045615
Douay-Rheims
>>80046133
they are unable to maintain adherence to the 10 commandments... false idols also. (eucharist,rosary,crusafix).
>TFW Martin Luther was Right
>>80046173
Peter was a man. The Lord guided him much like he does all his flock (me and you).
>>80042337
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VetV_G6XifY
Prayers for Philandro
>>80046337
>praying to mary
she was a woman. by praying to a moral you have forsaken the trinity. you faith is placed in the Lord as a Christian, not a mortal.
>>80046439
>accepting mary
i've never seen such heresy plainly state. you are not a Christian if you do this.
>>80042337
Honestly, I was considering going Catholic because they seem to have a more intimate knowledge of Jesus. But (and I grew up Lutheran) I realize most of the filler - rituals - statues are completley baseless in the Bible. I will never pray to mary. I will never ask a saint to help me with a problem. My prayer and devotion will ONLY be directed towards God. Not these petty secondary characters which you people seem to glorify so much more than the Main Character.
>>80046770
Mary is at center of every miracle, she's the only direct connection to god.
>>80046345
>had no SPECIFIC basis in the Bible
>>80045671
you shouldnt - catholics/orthodox are daily breaking the 1st commandment.
>>80046993
which Bible verse?
>>80045615
Ignatius Press Study Bible
It's just the New Testament which is the essence of Christianity, they will real ease the Old Testament soon too.
Also watch videos by Scott Hahn and Peter Kreeft on YT
I seriously hope you guys don't do this...
>>80046993
such heresy. mary was a woman who's life purpose was guided by the Lord Christ, just like your life and mine is. to pray to this mortal is a sin. i study the life and works of Peter, i dont pray to him. same for mary, study dont pray.
>>80046624
In all the thousands of contradictionary sects? That's some serious delusion you got there
>>80042337
>Me, my saint, and my saint's god
Literally a cult for cucks.
>>80042337
and this is why, among other reasons, the Roman Catholics are not true Christians. Mary was a vessel for the immaculate conception. That's about it. It did not change the original curse put on Eve for her transgressions against God, and by extension of Eve, all women.
Worshiping something that is cursed by God?
ISHYGDDT
Mary was more than just a woman. I remember hearing somewhere that she was specially preserved from sin by God. So that would make her and Jesus to be the only two sinless people to live on Earth.
You guys flipping out about praying to Mary should focus on more important things.
Why do evangelists have to sage every thread?
They are worse than fedoras. The Canadians of religion.
>>80047070
Literally cancer. If you were a bit smarter you'd see that Protestantism is directly responsible for the state of the modern world.
>>80047070
it's truly sinful what these catholics say/do. Martin Luther rivals Peter in his life's work.
>>80047187
Yeah brah. It's not like a new Eve and a new testament are predicted in Genesis
>But I only follow the bible verses I WANT to follow
Protestants everyone
>>80047187
>implying Adam didn't equally disobey God
Your horse is a little too high anon
>>80047030
Death through Eve, life through Mary.
The New Testament makes it clear that Christ is both the foundation (Acts 4:11-12 & Cor 3:11) and the head (Eph 5:23) of the church it is a mistake to think that here he is giving either of those roles to peter. There is a sense in which the apostles played a foundational role in the building of the church but the role of PRIMACY IS RESERVED FOR CHRIST ALONE, not assigned to peter.
Peter in (1 Peter 2:5) explains the imagery in his first epistle: the church is built of "Living stones" and Christ himself is the "cornerstone"
Sweet graphic, but i'm not going to be worshiping pete anytime soon
>>80047120
John 6:47
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
there is only one requirement for salvation, see above. this is not a 20 year process that requires thousands of dollars in tithe to the church and a final "ok" from your local high priest.
if the protestant sect studies the bible, maintains the path that Jesus walked in, repents all sins, the label is Christian - which is all that matters.
>>80047523
"living stones" who like peter confess that Jesus is the Christ the son o fthe living God, and Christ himself is the "cornerstone"
>>80046330
She married him after being pregnant, so when she married him, she was still virgin.
>>80047258
it's the 1st commandment for a reason brother. it kind of revokes your status as "Christian"
>>80047494
which verse does it say she merits worship?
>>80047523
Right? Like how can you have a President if he also has representatives? It makes no sense.
>>80047609
>Judge a tree by it's fruit
>the path is small [...]
Your works should come from your faith. Just wearing a Team Jesus shirt while snorting coke of a hookers ass and kilingl children isn't a free pass I fear
>>80046700
We do not think Virgin Mary is a God, she is the mother of Jesus and we ask her to speak with his son because Christ will listen her before than us.
>>80047747
St. Ambrose of Milan ( +397 ) writes, "It was through a man and woman that flesh was cast from paradise; it was through a virgin that flesh was linked to God." St. Jerome ( +420 ) succinctly stated, "Death through Eve, Life through Mary." (Epist. 22,2 I ). St. Peter Chrysologus ( +450 ) picked up on this theme in his writings, "Christ was born of a woman so that just as death came through a woman, so through Mary, life might return."
>>80047315
>australia
>not trolling
>>80047819
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
>>80047888
The saint's I'm sure would think themselves worthy of prayer, but I'm looking for Bible based assertions.
Nice try father
>>80047888
i couldnt find that... help me brother.... maybe i typed it in wrong. pic related
>>80047819
you speak of someone who doesnt know the Lord as an example?
>>80047925
Do I need to remember you where all the current year degeneracy stated?
>>80047852
we ask (pray) to a deceased mortal. this is sacrilege and against the first commandment.
>>80047964
What you can not deny is that the saints and Virgin Mary are with God in the heaven.
When a catholic prays to a saint or Virgin Mary, he is asking him to speak with God (to intercede for us). There is nothing wrong about it because we do not think saints are gods.
>>80048121
No I speak of bad people in Team Jesus. The idea that just accepting Christ makes every outright evil person go to heaven instantly is preposterous. You have to repent your sins which by extension includes not repeating them
>>80048272
Psalm 148:13
Let them praise the name of the Lord, for his name alone is exalted; his majesty is above earth and heaven.
>>80047964
such a powerful verse. thank you. i wish our misguided catholic/orthodox friends would study the bible more.
>>80048255
>"Thou shalt have no other gods before me"
We do not think Virgin Mary is a God. So we are doing nothing wrong.
>>80048409
then why all the statues? why all the pictures? Why all the devotions? Why all the mentions of her in every mass? Why all the stress on asking HER for help? (Even if she is passing the word)
>>80047964
>>80048317
have they repented? have they regained the Lords path? if not, they are not on "team Jesus"
-------------
Matthew 7:21
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
>>80048507
the statues (false idols), and the rosary, and the eucharist... this is forbidden by the second commandment.
catholics wrong about the first and second commandments... wrong about salvation... why would anyone be a catholic?
>>80048507
>then why all the statues?
Since when making a statue means that it's a God?
In the catholic faith you will never find a Pope saying that virgin Mary is a God.
>>80048663
Because it's status quo. I'm just glad Martin Luther had the balls to go against hundreds of years of man made perversion of the truth.
![virgin-mary-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pHYOnfG.jpg "virgin-mary-2[1].jpg")
>>80048507
she looks like a vagina
we're praying that women remain pure and wholesome
>>80047964
And the mediator between Christ and the men is Virgin Mary and the saints.
;)
>>80048749
No, but they certainly revere her as one.
>>80048771
that is exactly what it is, man made.
catholics like this poor devil >>80047888
>>80048749
this is what Christians call a false idol. reread the second commandment.
>>80049033
where is it written?
>>80048749
That doesn't answer my question about the focus of mary in church
>>80049033
it makes me ill to read this. the relationship between the Lord Christ and man is direct. mary was a mortal.
![628e1da95c64ebd71b52bcdfe56368d7[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zO2lJnV.jpg "628e1da95c64ebd71b52bcdfe56368d7[1].jpg")
I wonder if the artists did this intentionally
>Catholicucks being blown out by based nip
who /unitarian/ here
>>80049296
>without being noticed
On a par with saying a photo is rare when you found it on Facebook. Are these people fucking retarded?
Christianity is bullshit and all you faggots who are Christian are full of shit. If you think Christ came from the sky into Mary you're a devil worshipping faggot. If you think Mary was white you are a devil worshipping faggot. If you make dumbass claims like "I'm not an Israelite but Christ came for everyone" you're a lying faggot.
I dare any of you pussies to even attempt to debate your salvation with me...I'm telling you now, you're all fucked.
>>80049387
I got it from pinterest on google images
>>80049355
what is a unitarian, brother?
>>80049122
Catholic church and every other church in the world, reads the bible and interprets the content. Not everything is stated in the bible, but you have to guess which is the will of God.
For example, masturbation is not stated in the bible (as far as I know) but the catholic church says it's bad to masturbate. With your argument maybe it should be allowed to masturbate since "it's not written".
>>80049458
thanks for the bump.
>>80049458
Psalm 14
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
>>80042337
>31There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him. 32And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. 33And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? 34And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 35For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
catholics need to read the bible or their soul is in danger
>>80043535
>mother of God
[citation needed]
>>80049033
Now you are just making stuff up. It doesn't say there is a mediator between Christ and men. There doesn't need to be.
>>80045604
>We don't worship her. We venerate her
this is the excuse of catholicucks
>>80049499
and who is to say that the church interprets correctly. If I'm correct the church is just recently changing it's mind about allowing gays into heaven? The church is just as fallible as the rest of us.
How many times must the Word change perfumed hands before you believe it?
>>80049613
>Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman,[a] here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
Mary is our mother.
>>80049499
Easy, 6th Commandant. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Masturbation is almost always accompanied with porn
Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Now, doing it to "clean" pipes is a different story. But I dare you to rub one out without your mind wandering to boobs.
>>80049701
>and who is to say that the church interprets correctly.
And here you are right. I have catholic faith, I do not know if It's completely right, but I believe in the catholic church because it has been thousand of years of reading and interpreting the bible.
I dont believe orthodox or protestants are not going to be saved. But I prefer my faith because I think it's the best for me.
Some say the works are not needed, but when I help someone or give money to charity I feel closer to God.
>>80049701
Umm dude, just become Orthodox. We are based Church, never changed core doctrine once, no purgatory bullshit, no accepting a priest's word if he's a cuckold, ORTHODOX HEIL!
>>80049613
we are all brothers, equal unto the Lord Christ. the entire priesthood sets itself up as holier than thou, with a pope standing in your way to salvation. if Catholics/Orthodoxy are wrong about salvation, why follow? i hope only one catholic here sees the light.
>first 5 minutes Orthodox/Catholics BTFO
https://youtu.be/-WLTcfWOKB4
https://youtu.be/-WLTcfWOKB4
https://youtu.be/-WLTcfWOKB4
https://youtu.be/-WLTcfWOKB4
nothing like a fiery sermon.
>>80049567
Did your dumb ass read what I said? I SAID Christians are fucked and are doomed for hell. White people especially, you bastards removed the Apocrypha and don't look into it because it only further proves this. Lol, white people are going into slavery while you faggots keep thinking Mary never had sex to get pregnant with Christ LMAO. Wtf you bastards are stupid.
>>80047494
you mean death trough adam everlasting life trough the son of god
>>80042337
I love Mary!
>>80049847
I still don't see how being a more prominent supporting character in Jesus's life warrants the prayers, worries, and sufferings offered up by countless millions to that secondary character (mary)
>>80049492
Deism Christianity
>>80047667
and then they fucked and had kids like normal married people do ?
>>80049847
Mary is not your fucking mother you fucking idiot. She was the mother of Christ, that is all. Nowhere in the Bible does it say worship her. This is why the Bible isn't for you non-Israelites.
>>80050207
>>80049890
always remind them that lust in your heart (adultery) is the sin.
>>80049890
>>80049499
masturbation is not written as bad because IT IS NOT BAD. and it's not tied to adultery. adultery involves another person you cannot commit adultery to yourself.
because otherwise 1. rape epidemic will rise and 2. more cucks will bring in more poor souls into this world full of pain and suffering and degeneracy and social constructionism.
masturbation is nothing more than a release of NEGATIVE ENERGY WHICH IS LUST, a ritual of rejecting lust.
>>80044691
We believe in Jesus tho. And pro tip: "Trinity" is nowhere in the bible their. Meanings of words are more important that words.
And do not even start on BTFOing someone kido.
>>80042337
if you can pray to mary, a woman, what is topping you from praying to other humans? oh wait you do...
idolaters will burn in hell
>>80050176
I really wanted to at one point. Because it seemed so pure and intimate. But again, and the whole point of the thread. I won't get on my knees and communicate with mary.
He does not change his mind.
He has a plan in mind for everyone
He is immutable
He does not listen to the nagging of dead people
>>80045615
Vulgata.
>>80050395
This isn't bait faggot. None of you non-Israelites can show me where in the Bible Christ said he came to save you faggots. He didn't talk to you nor did he bother with you.
>>80050443
but masturbation only makes me masturbate more
>>80050642
you're one of those jews who think we are going to be your personal slaves huh
>>80050609
But the earliest Church Fathers were saints. they may intercede for us out of love
>>80050692
lol. jews are so accursed and they dont even realize it. 'chosen people'. Yeah, chosen to kill the Living God in the flesh and be hated for eternity.
>ITT
I'd fuck Mary without a rubber right in the pussy
>>80050642
John 3:16 (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
>>80050707
please give me actual verses, not catholic ramblings
>>80050524
if you have accepted the Lord Christ, walk in his path, and have repented... you are my brother. lest you believe a false gospel, pray to false gods, worship false idols - repent before it's too late.
>>80050776
There is literally nothing wrong with sola scriptura
>>80050866
Do not worry brother I resisted the false gods of Luther, Calvin, Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide and other man-made bullshit that distract me from Holy Church of God.
>>80050856
they even store "new bible gospels" in a secret vault in the vatican that nobody has access to except cardinals. it's truly astonishing.
>>80050789
>Catholics would unironically pray to this man
>>80051003
lol
>>80050707
dead men do not hear prayers. the act of praying to a dead man/woman is a mortal sin.
>>80050975
It was fun engaging with you. I got to go play GTAV online now. Keep reading your bible and going to Church. See you in heaven brother
>>80049847
>and to the disciple, “Here is your mother
>>80049847
are you the disciples? can you heal the sick?
>14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
>>80050903
Scripture say otherwise
>>80050903
There is nothing wrong with sola scriptura.
But being an insecure faggot who ruins every Christian thread in bretty wrong.
>>80050903
sola scriptura is essentially catholics denying the bible itself. then they take all these new gospels they write and put into a vault that nobody can access. they just wrote into their new bible that homosexuals and atheists go to heaven.
>>80050650
and you should. unless you want to bring in poor souls in this world full of pain and suffering.
that's how powerful lust is. and we should be benevolent of rejecting it.
>>80042756
This
/thread.
Catholicism is just Christianity mixed with old pagan worship, where reverence to the gods was swapped with veneration of the saints and Mary. This is why the reformation needed to happen. So much heresy in the Catholic/Orthodox churches.
>>80050810
>>80050772
>>80050692
LMAO this just shows how much you know!!! Thousands were crucified when Christ was not just him!!! You stupid cave dwellers don't know shit. You really think the Romans just killed him and left? Fuck no! They killed thousands of our damn people and Christ rose again that was the miracle!!! Nobody else rose but Christ!
Mat 15:23-24 NKJV
But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us." But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Matthew 10:5-6
These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.“But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
B-b-but I thought he came for everybody?
John 3:16?
Christ was talking to a Pharisees you fucking idiot!!! The WORLD meant the ISRAELITE WORLD. The Bible wasn't written for you faggots how many times do I have to tell you this? It was written for Israelites!!! I just proved it with Christ's own words!
John 11:48
If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our nation."
Did the Romans not do this? Do you faggots not believe in Christ lmao? Believing in Christ won't save shit you dumbass fools. Demons believe Christ was the son of God and he arose on the 3rd day and died for my people's sins too. Lmao that shit doesn't save anyone lol the law does. I'm sorry if it hurts to know your people are going to die and be enslaved forever but that's what happens when you're God's chosen and when you're not.
>>80050948
they arent gods, i dont worship or pray to them. they were men, just like me and you. i study their works, much like i study the works of peter. i fail to see your logic here.
>sola scriptura/fide
you deny the bible? AND claim to be christian at the same time?
>>80042337
Madonna puttana
>Mary veneration thread
>>80051177
i'll say a little prayer for japan tonight.
>>80051490
never tie christianity with catholicucks. they're the ones perverting christianity.
>>80043043
Why ask Mary? Why not ask God directly?
John 5:14
>This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.
So why do you have to """"""""""""ask"""""""""""" Mary? If it's in accordance to God's will, he'll listen to us and provide for us.
>>80051577
You act like those men ideas, those false doctrines, have a higher authority than Word of God and his disciples. Literally, protestant made an idol out of their own thoughts and feelings.
>you deny the bible? AND claim to be christian at the same time?
Of course I do noty dine the Bible. That's why I throw to the trash those false doctrinas.
Wanna proof?
The Bible was not put under one cover until the Councils of Hippo (393) and 3rd Council of Carthage (397) accepted the official list of books (click here for the actual Council text and scroll down to see the list of books in the Canon at that time, which is the same as used by the Catholic Church today). Not for over 1000 years after these early Councils was the printing press invented (~1450), so Bible manuscripts were quite rare and costly before the printing press came about. Between 397 and 1450 then, how did most people learn about the contents of Scripture, and who was the authoritative figure for the early Church during these centuries? The authority clearly could not have been the Bible, but clearly was the Church Herself who preached it to the faithful. So how can Scripture have been our only guide for the centuries before copies of the Bible were readily available, and were the people who lived during those centuries all damned because they did not have access to Scripture?
Consider this verse from Scripture: "Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book. But these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God: and that believing, you may have life in his name" John 20:30-31. What else does this tell us than Jesus did and said other things that were not recorded in Scripture? Are we really to think that anything Jesus did or said that didn't make it into the books of Scripture are false or should not be adhered to?
>>80051844
Christian means to be a follower of Christ. Christ followed the laws of the Bible. The laws were only given to God's chosen people, therefore no other nation can be a Christian besides our own nor can be saved because they don't have the laws. Please tell these bums to stop claiming they're something they ARE NOT.
Psalm 147:19-20
He has revealed his word to Jacob, his laws and decrees to Israel. He has done this for NO OTHER NATION; THEY DO NOT KNOW HIS LAWS. Praise the LORD.
Get your ass out of our scripture and go back to being pagans and living in caves Caucasian(Cave Dweller). The Bible isn't for you that's why all your asses are so damn confused. ITS NOT FOR YOU.
>>80051844
asking mary is praying to a false god. a sin. the bible couldnt be more clear on this.
>>80051913
cont.
Consider the verse, "But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written" John 21:25. Clearly there are many things Jesus said and did that were passed on as tradition (by word of mouth) and did not make it into the books of Scripture.
Nowhere in Scripture do we see references to Jesus writing anything down during His public life, nor does Scripture show that He ever asked His Apostles to write down what He was teaching either. We can see only Peter, Paul, James, John Jude, Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote parts of what Our Lord taught, the others did not write anything as far as is recorded. If Scripture were the ONLY resource we should have for our salvation, surely Jesus and His Apostles would have written constantly, but they did not. Instead Scripture shows that the Apostles TAUGHT as they were instructed by Our Lord: "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" Matt 28:19. So while Scripture is essential, tradition is also essential.
Nowhere in Scripture does it say Scripture alone should be accepted as revelation, and it certainly does not say we should condemn Apostolic tradition. Look all through the Gospels and you will see nothing spoken against tradition except for traditions which are human or against Scripture. Why do the Protestant reformers add this to Our Lord's words? It is forbidden to add anything to Scripture, as it is to take anything away from it. Why do the Protestant reformers also take away the traditions which are expressly authorized?
>>80051986
cont.
Consider the verse, "Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle." 2 Thessalonians 2:14. What else does this tell us than the Apostles spread the word of God not only through Epistles, but also by WORD, and that we should hold to the traditions which we are taught?
Any unwritten Apostolic doctrine we call Tradition. Consider the verse, "If any man be hungry, let him eat at home; that you come not together unto judgment. And the rest I will set in order, when I come." 1 Corinthians 11:34. This clearly shows St. Paul writing important words to the Corinthians, then stating he will "set the rest in order" when he comes, yet we do not have writing about them elsewhere. What he said then, will it be lost to the Church? No, it has come down through tradition.
Consider the verse, "Having more things to write unto you, I would not by paper and ink: for I hope that I shall be with you, and speak face to face: that your joy may be full." 2 John 1:12. St. John had something worthy of being written yet he chose to speak instead. Instead of Scripture, he has made tradition.
Consider the verse, "Hold the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me in faith, and in the love which is in Christ Jesus." 2 Timothy 1:13. This is clearly St. Paul recommending to St. Timothy an unwritten Apostolic word. This is tradition!
Also consider the verse, "And the things which thou hast heard of me by many witnesses, the same commend to faithful men, who shall be fit to teach others also." 2 Timothy 2:2. What is this but the Apostle speaking, the witnesses relating, and St. Timothy teaching, followed by these teaching others? This is clearly tradition.
>>80052076
cont.
Consider the verse, "I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now" John 16:12. When did He say these things which He had to say? Was it all written? It is also said that He was forty days with them teaching them of the Kingdom of God, but we have neither all of His apparitions nor everything He told them during that time.
Consider the verses, "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” Matthew 28:20, and “He that heareth you, heareth me" Luke 10:16, etc. This clearly shows the Apostles teaching is true revelation.
And now Sola Fide
>>80052112
Nowhere in the bible does it state faith "alone" justifies, and this new doctrine was not heard of before the 16th century. Why did the Protestant reformers propose it and what authority gave it to them?
Consider the verse, "Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in. Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me." Matthew 25:34-36. Are these not examples of good works? Why would Our Lord give them so much emphasis if only faith was of importance?
Consider the verses, "And behold one came and said to him: Good master, what good shall I do that I may have life everlasting? Who said to him: Why asketh thou me concerning good? One is good, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He said to him: Which? And Jesus said: Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness. Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith to him: All these I have kept from my youth, what is yet wanting to me? Jesus saith to him: If thou wilt be perfect, go sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come follow me." Matt 19:16-21. Are the above verses not filled with good works? How much more proof from Scripture do we need to show that Our Lord commanded us to do good works for our salvation?
Consider the verse, "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will he render to every man according to his works." Matthew 16:27. Again here we have more proof that good works are required of us.
>>80051806
Good point my brother.
>>80051975
Agreed. I like how Catholics always skirt around the question.
>But we don't pray, we just ask her to pray for us?
So why have the middle man? Where anywhere in the Bible did Christ say, "oh yea, btw, if you ASK my dead mum to pray for you, I'll listen to her more than you. I mean, you could directly pray to me, I am omnipotent and ever present, and I know the hearts of every man, but ASK my mom, and I'll listen all the harder, kay?"
>>80052180
Consider the verse, "And every man shall receive his own reward, according to his own labor." 1 Corinthians 3:8. Again this clearly does NOT refer to faith alone, but to labor, which is works.
Consider the verse, "And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." 1 Corinthians 13:2 (St Paul). What is charity other than helping the needy? Charity is clearly considered among good works. And in the same Chapter we also see the verse, "And now there remain faith, hope, and charity, these three: but the greatest of these is charity." (1 Corinthians 13:13). This clearly puts charity BEFORE faith, so to say "faith alone" is all that is required of us is clearly contrary to Scripture.
Consider the verse, "Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?" James 2:24. How much more plain can it be said that faith alone is not enough for our salvation?
Consider the verse, "What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?" James 2:14. And we see several verses later that the answer to this question is NO.
Consider the verse, "So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself." James 2:17. No explanation is needed for this verse!
Consider the verse, "But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith." James 2:18. Another extremely obvious verse that proves our point on the subject.
Consider the verses, "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?" James 2:20-21. No explanation is needed for these verses.
>>80052278
Consider the verse, "For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead." James 2:26. How can the Protestant reformers claim faith is sufficient when we read a verse like this with such obvious meaning?
And finally consider the verse, "Wherefore, brethren, labor the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election." 2 Peter 1:10
In summary, justification by faith alone has overwhelming opposition in Scripture. Some Protestants have been known to reference other verses from Scripture in an attempt to show that works are NOT required for our salvation. However if one looks at verses that appear to speak negatively about works, they are clearly referring to works that glorify men and not God. Here we agree; works done to please men do not help with attaining our salvation.
What now? Papacy?
>>80052323
Consider the verse, "For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead." James 2:26. How can the Protestant reformers claim faith is sufficient when we read a verse like this with such obvious meaning?
And finally consider the verse, "Wherefore, brethren, labor the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election." 2 Peter 1:10
In summary, justification by faith alone has overwhelming opposition in Scripture. Some Protestants have been known to reference other verses from Scripture in an attempt to show that works are NOT required for our salvation. However if one looks at verses that appear to speak negatively about works, they are clearly referring to works that glorify men and not God. Here we agree; works done to please men do not help with attaining our salvation.
What now? Papacy?
>>80051964
irrelevant. there was no bible in Jacob's time.
>>80051913
>>80051577
Neither one of you have the laws, statutes, and commandments of God nor can follow them so how is it possible you can be Christian or Christ like unless you're calling God a liar? You can't show one doctrine that gives any reason for you fools to think you have any dealings with OUR GOD. He's the God of ISRAEL NOT mankind. We rule over mankind because y'all are our servants, Christ is our King aka the King of Kings(that's why he calls himself that in case you retards didn't know we're the other Kings), and then there is God who is the The Most High.
>>80051913
>peter gave false doctrines
are you a Christian?
>martin luther - sola scriptura - the bible is supreme
you deny the primacy of the gospel? is this some new catholic thing to deny the written word of Christ?
>what other things Jesus said are not in scripture
are you implying that catholics have lost scriptures?
>>80052511
So much for Sola Scriptura
>>80052376
You're going to hell faggot. There were scrolls and the word of God has always been here you damn idiot. So what is irrelevant? The fact your stupid ass is going to be a slave? Nah that's pretty fucking relevant to me retard.
>>80052657
More like you are
>>80052411
atheist troll detected. thanks for the bump though.
>>80052411
>Neither one of you have the laws, statutes, and commandments of God
We do. I am not sure about him tho.
> nor can follow them so how is it possible you can be Christian
We do. I am not sure about him tho.
>or Christ
Why would I want to be Christ? I am not Lucifer.
>unless you're calling God a liar?
I am not Muslim.
>You can't show one doctrine that gives any reason for you fools to think you have any dealings with OUR GOD.
What do you mean by that? Why would we?
>He's the God of ISRAEL NOT mankind.
Prophet Amos and Jesus say otherwise
>We rule over mankind because y'all are our servants
You try to do it but so shit about it
>Christ is our King aka the King of Kings
Christ is Kosmokratos
>(that's why he calls himself that in case you retards didn't know we're the other Kings),
And you acted like a swine
>, and then there is God who is the The Most High.
Correct. Now, repent.
>>80051554
Matthew (FINISH THE STORY)
"Send her away, for she cries out after us." But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." But she came and knelt before him, saying, "lord help me. And he answered, "It is not right to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." She said, Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table." then Jesus answered her, "O WOMAN GREAT IS YOUR FAITH!" BE IT DONE FOR YOU AS YOU DESIRE." AND HER DAUGHTER WAS HEALED INSTANTLY."
Proving that God wants all walks of life to follow Him regardless of birth.
John
Where does it specify he was only talking about the Israelite world. Him talking to a pharisee does not exclude every other group, There is no reason to not take John 3:16 as face value. You are complicating the uncomplicated just for trolling's sake
"If we let him go on likes this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our nation" But one of them Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them "YOU KNOW NOTHING AT ALL. NOR DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS BETTER FOR YOU THAT ONE MAN SHOULD DIE FOR THE PEOPLE, NOT THAT THE WHOLE NATION SHOULD PERISH." He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation..."
Your copy paste effort from /r/eddit is noted
>>80052511
Have you read this, or you are a niger that have IQ below his shoes number and cannot understand it?
>>80052611
an atheist voodoo doctor quoting an atheist university professor. lol
>>80052673
>>80052739
>>80052611
atheist voodoo doctor detected. thanks for the bumps though.
And now, let's move to the Mary
Why did the Protestant reformers choose to discard devotion and veneration of the Blessed Virgin suddenly when this was always the practice of Christians in earlier centuries? And why is She ignored and even disliked by most Protestant denominations, contrary to Scripture and the early Christian Church? Even Luther himself admitted it is possible to honor the Saints and the Virgin Mary.
("I admit that some can make a proper use of honoring the saints and the virgin Mary; though it is seldom they do.")
First let us consider the following verses from Scripture:
"Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name." Luke 1:48
And also the verse, "And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women." Luke 1:28
Here we have the written Word of God which states all generations will call the Blessed Virgin "blessed", and also an angel from heaven referring to the Blessed Virgin as "blessed" among all women as well. Note the term "blessed" refers that which is holy, heavenly, favored with blessings, or highly favored.
>>80052957
i noticed your pasta. try typing in your own words though poland.
>>80053314
Why would I evryfuckingday come out with something in new form if that's enough?
>>80053260
Now consider the Blessed Virgin, a human being, was chosen to bear in Her womb God incarnate, a God who created all things and is infinitely perfect. "And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Luke 1:35. We know God would not have chosen a sinful person to bear an infinitely perfect, divine being like Jesus Christ. This fact alone makes her "blessed" without even having to read it elsewhere in Scripture. Though the fact that she is considered "blessed" does NOT make her divine, and does NOT make Her comparable in any way to Our Lord, since only Our Lord is the one who is divine. The Blessed Virgin was still a human being like you or I, but obviously a specially chosen one at that.
Worship or adoration of the Blessed Virgin has always been FORBIDDEN by the Catholic Church, since She is NOT divine and since only the Holy Trinity may be adored. For proof of this, we can look in the Catholic Encyclopedia under "Devotion to Blessed Virgin Mary" at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15459a.htm.
Instead, rather because Scripture tells us she is "blessed", the Catholic Church has always only allowed DEVOTION or VENERATION to Her, or simply put, a reverence and devoutness towards Her.
>>80053446
We see many early Christian writings which spoke frequently of the Blessed Virgin, a sign of their veneration to Her. The Early Church Fathers venerated the Blessed Virgin and were profoundly devoted to Her as Catholics are today. St. Irenaeus (115 - 200), Bishop of Lyons and Father of the Church refers to the Blessed Virgin as "our most eminent advocate". St. Ignatius of Antioch (50-117) wrote to the Ephesians (c. 18-19) about mysteries of Our Lord's life being connected to those of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Elsewhere she is referred to more than once as the "antithesis of Eve". St. Justin and Tertullian both wrote about Her before the end of the 2nd century. She was included in the writings of countless Saints, always being referred to with the highest veneration, yet never worshipped. She was defended in the Council of Ephesus in 431 and the Council of Trent makes mention of Her under Justification. Pope Pius IX made pronouncements about Her as well among so many other writings. We also have miracles such as those repeated healings at Lourdes which are directly associated with Her. Simply put, if the Word of God refers to someone as Blessed or Holy, though worship is inappropriate, reverence and devoutness are quite applicable.
>>80053495
Why do so many make a devotion to the Blessed Virgin? Simply to ask Her intercession and prayers as we see done elsewhere in Scripture. For example:
"For the rest, brethren, pray for us, that the word of God may run, and may be glorified, even as among you; And that we may be delivered from importunate and evil men; for all men have not faith." 2 Thes 3:1
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the charity of the Holy Ghost, that you help me in your prayers for me to God" Rom 15:30
"Praying withal for us also, that God may open unto us a door of speech to speak the mystery of Christ (for which also I am bound)" Colossians 4:3
"And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God. And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel." Apocalypse (Revelation) 8:3-4
As Christians, we believe in the Word of God found in Scripture, which refers to the Blessed Virgin as being called "Blessed for all generations". Why ignore or take a dislike to a creature God himself refers to as "Blessed"?
Also note, Jesus loved His earthly mother above all earthly creatures and loves Her exceedingly to this day. As Christians we strive to imitate Christ, so why ignore or even take a dislike to the Blessed Virgin in direct opposition to Jesus? Is she to be disliked for some reason? If so, why?
If Jesus and the Blessed Virgin Mary were still on earth, would Jesus encourage us to ignore and even dislike His Mother as so many Protestant denominations openly do?
>>80053556
Jesus could have appeared on earth in any fashion of His choosing, but instead He chose to come through the Blessed Virgin to us. Why did He choose to come through the Blessed Virgin if there were not a reason? The reason is obvious; He came to us through Her, now God allows us to go through Her to Him in our prayers and requests.
>>80053314
>it's a pasta and therefore invalid!
Nice refute.
>>80052673
>>80052741
>>80052857
>>80052878
You're all in denial and I'm not arguing with you faggots about this FACT. I'll let God speak for me. These are the last days and it speaks of NOW!!!
2 Esdras 6:54-59
And over these you placed Adam, as ruler over all the works that you had made; and from him we have all come, the people whom you have chosen. "All this I have spoken before you, O Lord, because you have said that it was for US that you created this world. As for the OTHER NATIONS that have descended from Adam, you have said that they are NOTHING, and that they are like SPITTLE, and you have COMPARED THEIR abundance to a drop from a bucket. And now, O Lord, THESE NATIONS, which are reputed to be as NOTHING, DOMINEER over US and devour US. But WE YOUR PEOPLE, whom you have called your firstborn, only begotten, zealous for you, and most dear, have been given into their hands. If the world has indeed been created for US, why do we not possess our world as an inheritance? How long will this be so?"
Why do you think my people keep asking for reparations and have 0 knowledge they are Israelites?? Because they're lost. Our inheritance will be heaven on Earth where we shall rule over you and I'm sure we rule over you bastards in heaven too.
>>80053590
how did you come to that conclusion? Where does it state
"Now thouest will prayeth to my mother to then convinceth me of giveth what you wanteth because she is more convincing that youeth alone?"
It all sounds like giant leaps of interpretation from such little scripture.
>>80053591
he is literally copy/pasting several chapters.. nobody is reading it.
>>80054091
better version
>>80053801
quoting from something as dirty apocrypha is like using a penthouse as a spell checker. Your invalid source is about as much value as finding truth in the satanic bible.
>Last time i'm falling for your copy bait pasta
>>80053556
>>80053495
>>80053446
>>80053260
No one's saying Mary's not blessed, but you haven't answered why you """"""""""""ask"""""""""""" Mary to pray for you when you can ask God directly. Or why you have Saints that are "Patrons" of something, i.e. hunters or sports players or doctors (you know, which sounds awfully a lot like Apollo being the God of medicine, etc).
>>80053801
>2 Esdras
false gospel
>>80053934
Read rest Nippo :^)
>>80052857
God's going to destroy you and no man can save you/10
>>80052878
Finish the story for what? Finishing the story proves what? Does it change his word? NO.
Notice your faggot ass can't prove me wrong lol. Use scripture and reference and prove God cares about your people? I proved more than several times he doesn't, he said your like spit and ALL OF YOU are like a DROP into a bucket of water. He doesn't care about your bitch ass get over it white man. You're a future fucking slave and you'll be destroyed and 0 fucks will be had. You're denying this truth because you're wicked and you can't accept that you bastards will be punished for your years of wickedness you cunt. Just know before the year 2020 all of your family and friends will be dead or in chains by then.
>>80054251
I will write this again then.
Why do so many make a devotion to the Blessed Virgin? Simply to ask Her intercession and prayers as >>>we see done elsewhere in Scripture<<<. For example:
"For the rest, brethren, pray for us, that the word of God may run, and may be glorified, even as among you; And that we may be delivered from importunate and evil men; for all men have not faith." 2 Thes 3:1
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the charity of the Holy Ghost, that you help me in your prayers for me to God" Rom 15:30
"Praying withal for us also, that God may open unto us a door of speech to speak the mystery of Christ (for which also I am bound)" Colossians 4:3
"And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God. And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel." Apocalypse (Revelation) 8:3-4
As Christians, we believe in the Word of God found in Scripture, which refers to the Blessed Virgin as being called "Blessed for all generations". Why ignore or take a dislike to a creature God himself refers to as "Blessed"?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY1OJyaWBJ4
>>80054374
weirdest atheist troll ever
What's the difference beetween Orthodoxy and Catholicism toward Mary?
>>80054349
I wanna know. and it is your duty as a Christian to break it down for me, because your first try failed. But I'm still here, so put it into terms I can understand.
Give it to me in layman's terms why it's better to ask mary, than to ask God for things?
>>80054455
Notice how all those people he's talking to are ALIVE?
Who says that I dislike Mary? I dislike Catholics/Orthodox treat her like some pagan goddess.
http://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?s=31
http://www.marypages.com/PrayerstoMary.htm
>literally says prayer to Our Lady or Prayers to Mary
>But we don't pray to her, I swear
Catholics and Orthodox treat Mary and the Saints as Olympian Gods. You all need to repent. Venerate, honour them, stop praying to them and treating them like they're Heracles.
>>80054509
more like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzZNlH5bCIw
>>80054321
False gospel? These books were written 200 years before Christ and he preached out of them, same as everybody else. You white devils removed it and that's why you're all going to be killed and destroyed.
Revelation 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
Revelation 20:14
Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Have fun in that lake of fire lol. Lmao you can't repent either because NONE OF YOU FAGS KNOW HOW TO REPENT HAHAHAHA. That's the best thing about this. God is hilarious lmao. He allows people to sin and let's them think they can oops sorry and that's repenting lol. Dumbass non-Israelites. This is why you all die in sin and everyone you know who's dead is burning in hell right now for their evil. This revealing in itself is justice. You all sin yet only my people know how to truly repent but you fags don't.
>>80054832
fuck off Jap the last best thing that came form your country was Oda Nobunaga.
Desde el cielo una hermosa mañana (2x)
La Guadalupana (2x)
La Guadalupana bajó al Tepeyac.
La Guadalupana (2x)
La Guadalupana bajó al Tepeyac.
Su llegada llenó de alegría (2x)
De paz y armonía (2x)
De paz y armonía y de libertad.
De paz y armonía (2x)
De paz y armonía y de libertad.
>>80042337
Daily reminder
>>80054842
>persistent atheist troll with his false gospel.
"Apocrypha--that is, books which are not regarded as equal to the holy Scriptures, and yet are profitable and good to read."
-Martin Luther
>>80054944
>Oda Nobunaga
smells like swamp ass in here. Be sure to wipe the cheetoes dust off your keyboard, (it attracts mice)
>>80054842
>And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
That verse pertains only to Revelation and nothing else. Stop taking it out of context.
>>80054648
About her beginning and her end.
>>80055282
Tell me more
>>80054770
Explain this faggot
>>80055133
Luther is wrong and Hustory proves it
>>80054770
And this
>Roman
>Catholic
>Church
>>80055333
Explain what? Some person trying to justify why Romans and Greeks swapped their old gods for new ones...I mean for Saints?
>>80054770
She is alive tho. Rapture and shit. Since very beginning we pray with saints and martyrs.
http://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/saints.php
>>80054770
Oops shitface
>>80043109
>Mary got ROMANED.com by a legionary
This is a Talmudic belief, are you a jew anon?
>>80055526
Wrong meme lad.
We use Latin.
We are universal for whole world.
We are the Church since times of Jesus.
Also:
>unironically listening to Volitier
ayy lmao
>>80055533
You mean Early CHRISTIANS and JEWS who also do the same bloody hugonutcase? >>80052673
>>80055577
No, she's dead. Just like Christ died on the Cross. The resurrection of the faithful cannot happen if we don't physical die. Yes, the spirit lives, but she's not physically alive.
>>80043539
True dat, I often go to the mass in Latin in Paris.
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