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Do we HAVE to shoot to kill when it comes to police?
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I'm actually very right leaning on things like business and foreign policy, but this is probably the one deal with conservatives I can't stomach.

inb4

>muh non-white population
I can understand the rate being a little higher than other developed countries, but this is almost hue-tier

>muh chimpouts
No shit, it's a life or death thing for them.

>Tyrone broke the law by reaching for his pocket
Isn't that what a taser is for?

I definitely don't mind throwing dindus in jail if they break the law and so forth, but surely there has to be a better way?

And let's be real, there are a lot of good cops, but there are also a lot of power-hungry pigs out there who would kill just because they can. Kind of like Shillary. And all this comes out of our pockets.

If you try and justify extrajudicial murders by police what makes you any different from the Tyrones?
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3 ways:
Take all guns - might as well call it a depopulation effort
Standardize - protocol when dealing with cops and taught in preschool
Better tech - robocop
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Germany doesn't have the nigger problem we do. However they are starting to get a taste of it with their refugees.
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>>80027286
In all those examples except America criminals have spaces where cops don't go
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>>80027286
Most police shooting victims are white.
The two recent shootings didn't involve chimpouts.
Tasers arent used in the presence of lethal force.

You shoot to stop, not to kill. That doesn't mean this power isn't misused.
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I feel if the right compromises on this issue they will be able to get more important policies through
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That's what guns are for.
If all else fails, that's the instrument

If you shoot to injure, you'd get fucked up by (((lawyers)))
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>>80027286

Shooting to injure someone will land you in Federal "Pound you in the ass" Prison for intent to maim.
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USA is 100x the size of Germany, UK and Japan combined. And our population is over 300 million while they are under 50 Million. Our country has easy access to guns and a larger lower class who become violent criminals because of poor inner city education
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>>80027286

Where do you live, by the way?
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>do they HAVE to shoot to kill?
noguns detected.
if you shoot at someone, you are intending to kill them. period. fuck off with this "shoot to wound" bullshit.
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>>80027286
It's really simple. If you signed up for a job knowing that it involves a risk of getting shot and killed, you shouldn't be complaining about it. Cops get paid 100k+ a year and literally just sit on their ass, and when their turn comes they just pussy out and shoot the guy.

How about next time they actually do what they're paid for?

Not shoot, until shot at.
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>>80029180
Actually you shoot to stop. They tell you to shoot center mass until they threat is gone.
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>>80027286
How many niggers are there in Japan, Britain, and Germany? Yeah, that's why there are so few police shootings in those countries compared to the USA: home of the dindu.
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>shoot to wound
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>>80027286

It's almost like America has a far larger and less homogeneous population than those other countries.

However, what it comes down to is that sometimes criminals possess deadly weapons and attack police officers. Try merely disabling someone who is firing a gun at you. Chances are they will be able to keep firing with intent to kill. Try facing down a criminal waving a gun at you. See how well you do when you wait for them to fire first. Allowing use of deadly force in these cases keeps police safe from people who want to kill them. It comes down to their right of self defense as people.
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>>80029420
The threat is gone when they die.
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>>80028543
>The right
In case you have amnesia, your country's right is currently being hijacked.
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>>80029410

100k? Try 30-40k in New Orleans / Baton Rouge
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>>80027286
I can give you a lot of information on this. The 9mm round is recommended by the FBI because of greater magazine capacity. They determined that when you are talking about handguns the caliber is not going to make much of a difference because a person pumped up on adrenaline is not going to fall down right away even with a fatal injury, unless you hit their central nervous system. Thus, they determined that more rounds on the person is better than less big rounds on the person with handguns. This makes them more likely to hit the nervous system, after several bullets the person is likely to fall down. If you need high stopping power then you need a rifle, pic related is 5.56 mm in ballistic gel, ouch. So, you shoot the person a few times and they don't fall down, sure they may bleed out and die later, but meanwhile they can still fuck your shit up, so law enforcement is trained to shoot until the person falls onto the ground. In short, the more rounds you put in, the more likely you are to hit the nervous system. People will commonly say "Why don't they aim for the legs?" well it is a simple answer. The chance of hitting a moving target for the average police officer who is not putting in a lot of range time is about 30%. So to aim for the legs would just lower that percentage actually hitting the person, and the cops would probably get their asses kicked. With moving targets a large magazine capacity is necessary, especially with multiple targets. Also the idea of a police force that does not kill is foolish, because how else would they force you into prison but ultimately the thread of death? And if they can't force you in prison they can't enforce their laws. And there is no use of a tax farm that can't tax it's subjects. There is no such thing as a peaceful state, all of them in history have had to ultimately use and threaten with deadly force to enforce their laws.
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>>80030453
here's the pic.
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>>80027286
A dead nigger is a good nigger. American police is doing Gods work.
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>>80027286
Should just announce open season on all gang members.
Release a list of gangs and allow the citizens and law enforcement to kill them on sight.
A little bit of chaos followed by peace since the most dangerous and violent criminals would be dead.
Maybe base the list of gangs on a threshold for number and severity of crimes committed by known members.
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>>80027286
Three countries that are a fraction our size with a fraction of our nigger population. Of course they have less police shooting people
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>>80029420
>They tell you to shoot center mass until they threat is gone.
BUT, CARL, THAT KILLS PEOPLE!
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>>80029766
This is the kind of shit that could spark a revolution, and not the kind of revolution you want.

I hate BLM, but the guy with the CCW was totally unnecessary. If something like this happens and protestors are fired upon, by the police, by agitators, even if it's because the protesters shot first.

There would be riots across the country and they will be violent. Depending on who's president, the process of restoring order and the order that is restored could be extremely unpleasant for you and your family.

Failing a media blackout, which always fails anyways, the only thing to do is to keep them from chimping out. Otherwise it's only a matter of time.
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The term "shoot to kill" is entirely a misnomer.

You shoot for effect, by aiming center mass, to hit the upper CNS in the chest. The heart being located here is a happy coincidence.
A determined attacker cannot be stopped reliably and rapidly unless CNS is disrupted, failing this only sufficient blood loss can cause physiological incapacitation.

Pain is an emotive response and may not even be perceived due to the effects of adrenaline and mindset.
Often times when it is perceived it causes a determined attacker to resist even harder and continue to pose a threat. It does not dissuade.

The notion of shooting someone in the shoulder, or the leg to disarm and stop them is a thing of Hollywood myth. Defensive shootings are dynamic and unpredictable. Aiming for CNS tissue is the only way to bring about rapid and reliable physiological incapacitation.
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>>80029420
The threat is not gone until the target can no longer shoot back.
You don't need to be standing to shoot back and adrenaline is a wonder drug that likes to release itself when you get severely injured.
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>>80027286
Brown people and gun rights don't mix.
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>>80027286

>330,000,000
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>>80027286
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>>80027286
If you aren't shooting to kill, you don't shoot at all.
Why is this so fucking hard to understand?
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>>80027286
Tasers only go so far anon. Tasers are also only meant to subdue unarmed suspects that are non compliant. Shooting a taser at someone with a weapon in their hand would also be extremely dangerous. What can we do, shoot criminals with bola launchers to tie their arms to their bodies?
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>>80029012
American education
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>>80028282

>You shoot to stop, not to kill.

Wrong. You always shoot to kill.
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>>80029012
Japan is 140 mill the uk 65 mill and Germany 80 million. Combined they almost have the population of the US.

I doubt you have a bigger part of you pop in the working class either.

You are right about education and gun access though. (Though germany also has fairly high gun ownership)
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>>80032639
>Wrong. You always shoot to kill.
Wrong. You shoot to stop
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>>80029410
>Not shoot, until shot at.
>don't put on your seatbelt until you think you're about to crash
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>>8002728
In only one of the countries in that picture do citizens have the right to own guns. Most blacks just don't comply like fucking idiots cause they have a death wish or hubris thinking they're invincible king tut. Though this last one of the concealed carry man may very well be a huge fuck up on the cops part.
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>>80027286
>400 deaths per year
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>>80029410
>Cops get paid 100k+ a year
Ha

>How about next time they actually do what they're paid for?
They're removing dangerous animals from the streets. Money well spent.
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>>80027286
Germanys numbers are going to be 100x higher next year.
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>>80027286
>50 million niggers
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>>80033553
Yeah that's what you do if your duty is making sure the seat belt stays unfastened, just like a cop's duty is providing safety for citizens.

>>80033859
""""""""Protect"""""""" and """""""Serve"""""''''
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>>80032874
wrong.
lethal force.
shoot to kill.
source: Navy ASF and MA training
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>>80033700
underrated dubs
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>>80038148
>source: Navy ASF and MA training
Why don't you just google it you fucking POG.
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>>80027286
Nice dishonest information. Instantly disregarded.
>not taking proportionality into account
Proportional to the US population, Germany would have 36.

>spics and niggers
It's also better to execute criminals than to give them jail time, in most cases.
Criminals almost never get rehabilitated, and we already have too many people.
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>>80036128
They do both those things. Especially when they shoot to defend themselves.
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>>80038351
At least I was a grunt what the FUCK are you?

Google: shoot to stop
USA doesn't train police to shoot to stop.
Jesus fuck, cite a goddamned course for your nonsense you stupid twat
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>>80027286

gee, what is the difference between Japan and Germany, what would one think.
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>>80027286
>implying if niggers would not be kept on their toes, they would not harass or even kill more white people
>implying that you can keep primitive niggers between lines without fear and force
After the first month without a nigger being gunned down for some minor crime, you would see a 1000% increase in crimes done by niggers.
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