You realize that tuition free college isn't about "LOL FREE GIBS" as some of you say. Its about educating your population so they can find employment and not be total NEET fags.
You realize that college today is a joke right? Baby boomers ruined it when they grew up and became Marxist hippie professors and ramped up the tuition. Yes having a degree makes you more viable in the workforce but don't pretend it's because college makes you smarter. A good proportion of the 5 in every 6 people who don't major in STEM are coming out of college dumber than they were before, and making the same economic contribution (nothing) as they were before.
>>79962619
ben garrison BTFO
>>79962619
thinkin in progress…
>>79962619
That cartoon says nothing about that man except that he looks funny and is missing some teeth. Maybe he did turn out just fine.
>>79962619
>give everyone free college
>degrees become worthless
Because that SUCH A FUCKING GREAT IDEA given that you have people with Masters degrees working at Walmart...
Connections > Experience > Education
>>79962619
Educating your population in white guilt, womyns studies, and underwater basketweaving still doesn't help with finding employment after college.
that comic would have been funnier if it was by horsey
>>79962619
>everyone who disagrees with me is a fat ugly person
That's quite an argument he's got there, really made me think
>>79963143
What's that flag?
>>79963143
RARE
>>79963236
Your life.
>>79963135
came here to post something to this effect
For one, this platform assumes you need a college degree to find a good paying job when you don't and second, it assumes that everyone wants to go to college when that isn't the case either. This is without even going to into the fact that many people get degrees in worthless subjects with minimal job opportunities.
So now you feel you need to reach into my pocket, to pay for your worthless degree while I didn't feel the need or desire for college, took a trade, and make good money without wasting four years of my life in college.
That's why I despise the "free" college meme and that strawman image is fucking retarded considering you get 12 free years of basic education already.
>>79963236
hover over it you mongoloid
>>79962619
Wrong. Come to Europe. Free college is about extending your adolescents so you can explore your sexuallity. Turns kids into useless people.
>>79962619
>Its about educating your population so they can find employment and not be total NEET fags.
>wymen studies
You're such a fag.
>>79962619
College kids already can't get jobs.
Sending everyone to college will exacerbate this issue.
>>79963135
>He thinks a piece of paper has value
>>79962619
I for one look forward to receiving four years of gender studies and dance classes on the taxpayers' dime.
>>79963342
>What is mobile
>>79963143
Wtf is that flag
>>79963156
Well, no shit....but there are degrees that are 1000x better.
>>79963342
On mobile twinkle tits
>>79963410
something only stupid fags use to browse 4chan
>>79963410
>phone cucks
Kys desu
>>79963135
This is literally the situation in Serbia. The idiot that installed my a/c couldn't shut up about how he was actually educated and was doing this temporarily. Never mind that he gets paid 50 euro per job but he wants to be RESPECTED GOD DAMN IT. lol
>>79963143
Stop, you're scaring me. I've never seen anyone like you before.
>>79963456
Let me just plop out my laptop at work. Christ on a dump truck
>>79962619
> It's about "Educating" your population
Go educate yourself on your own dime, you fucking faggot.
>>79963436
Virgin Islands.
>>79963492
Can someone please tell us what he is already? So what if I'm on mobile.
>>79962922
FPBP sums it up perfectly
Most people go to college and just waste resources and learn absolutely nothing useful to contribute to society and often ruin it. Just look at the feminist witch hunt mentality of making everything to be racist sexist and just overall making society worse. Not every subject in college is useful and the sad truth is most of it is just a complete waste of resources.
>>79962619
Educating your population in made up social studies. Dude, if you don't study something technical, exact or useful for market then shut the fuck up.
I love how the ones who screech for free college never realize how it would change the dynamic of college and how they would be first to bite the dust.
>>79963528
>Browsing 4chan at work
>Having a job
>Having a phone
Making this site more accessible was a mistake.
>>79962619
> implying they wont be NEETfags after college anyway
What is a job?
>>79963135
Chicken or the egg kind of question - did the overabundance of degrees cause trade jobs to be worthless, not paying enough to even fucking live, or did the shit wages of blue collars drive everyone into college?
>>79963645
US Virgin Islands
>implying employers will value education when it's freely available
>>79963645
U.S. Virgin Islands
Our islands...
>>79962619
Have you ever stepped foot on a college campus? They're full of disgusting shitskinned Americans who couldn't give a damn about learning and only want 4 government subsidized years of daycare
>>79963143
Virgin is correct
If you have connections, you'll be fine. Even if you're a total dumbass, you'll learn on your way as long as you have connections.
>>79963486
hvac work is a legitimate trade. what kind of retard only charges $50 to fix an A/C?
>>79963410
It's the U.S. Virgin Islands
College education can be the best in the World here if you go to the right one, just like our Hospitals/medical industry. We're making bank off foreigners and it's pretty comfy.
I see no reason to change it and I'm happy paying off my degree
>>79963752
"Go to university so you can get government job and not have to work" this is literally what parents teach their kids in my country
>>79962619
>I AM SILLY
>>79962619
If the point is that they find employment, then explain to me why so many college grads can't find work today and how a 2 years associate degree from public college will do anything about that?
Hell, getting those 2-4 years of free college are still predicated on dumb people being accepted by those institutions. If their tuitions are covered, then they'll only let in people they think will be making millions that can be donated back for research and endowments. Average joes will be cut out of this shit the most and those with a professional or entrepreneurial edge from their rich parents will get ahead more than the others, this system benefits the rich more than the poor.
>>79962619
free college tuition under the guise of education is just a myth. same reason why students loans are for education is a myth.
protip: education prices havent skyrocketed over the last 30 years because education has become scarce AND a necessity
>>79962619
In the 50s to about the 90s College Degrees were rare because it was actually difficult to go through the vigorous academic process. These days, every Tom, Dick and Harry can find some sort of affirmative action, scholarships or other bullshit to get through College for their useless degree in french feminist dance theory.
Modern higher education is a joke now, except for STEM.
>>79963143
Uncommon flag
>>79962619
Educating them to be pinko red commiefags like all their professors. Free tuition is an attempt by democrats to gain an even greater hegemony over the country. End it now, and save the taxpayer.
>>79962619
Once College goes to full public funding, education quality is going to drop within the generation.
>>79963852
50 € a job in Serbia is a lot of money. Our median monthly salary is like 350€.
>>79963757
Exactly, according to free market blaheebloobloo theory, if everyone learns that 2+2 = 4, then that depreciates the usefulness of knowing that 2+2 = 4. We could also make the case that making this knowledge rarer inflates the wages of those that know, so we should keep this knowledge from the rest of the populace. I believe this is a good direction for progress for the human race.
t. Confused man-toddler
>>79963757
They don't value it even when you pay for it. Most people fail to realize that a college degree is just a filter that employers use to get rid of the shitty candidates because it's quite expensive to train and employ a person and you don't want to waste thousands of dollars when your business becomes a revolving door. So you come up with criteria that has to be met so the candidates you do get have some semblance of respectability.
>>79962619
Most of the people calling for free college are already being educated, nigger. The only reason they're calling for it is because they would rather spend their money doing an "Eat, Pray, Love to suck a niggers dick" tour while the rest of the nation had to pay their way through college or deal with a loan afterward. They're only looking out for themselves. I bet you thought you could pull a taqqiya and pretend to discern any opposition to your failed idea and turn their minds around to stupidville, population (((You)))
>>79963658
Not just that but they're SO CONVINCED that they're more intelligent now with their Anthro or Sociology or Psychology degree that they actually become more close minded and less critically thinking
Less willing to test theories they have for fear that they'll be proven wrong, more attached to a narrative
>>79962619
reminds me of the incredibles - "if everyone's super, no one will be."
if everyone and their dog gets a degree, what fucking impact does it have in finding a job?
>>79963796
Maybe you should stop going to Devry University then faggot
>>79962619
He might have turned out fine, he's ugly, but he might have a good wage.
>Its about educating your population so they can find employment and not be total NEET fags.
Why can't we just go back to the old fashioned way of doing things and have the employer directly train his employee in how to do a task straight our of high-school. It makes a lot more sense than having people learn random subjects in college for 4 years that have little to do with the work.
College professors have never even agreed to this idea that its their job to train the next generation of employees.
>>79963957
This, modern college is an "education" like a re-education camp is education.
>implying state controlled schools are made for education
>>79962922
This. Agnew tried to want your parents and grandparents but they didn't listen. You reap what you sow.
>>79963486
its actually the situation in USA as well. people just haven't realized it yet.
>go to college, get a job, any job!
>>79964075
Just look at that FUCKIN' NAZI
>>79962619
>college
>find employment
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
Look at the fucking EU faggot. Look at the massive unemployment rates, especially amongst youths, yet pretty much everyone went to "free" university. Women's studies and gender degrees won't ever allow to find a job.
And another thing, the more people have a certain level of "education", the more their education is deemed worthless and people are pushed to study further to get above others. It's an eternal circle of leftards going to their indoctrination camp until they are 30 years old then cry about needing communism because they can't find a job.
DIe in a fire.
My education is free at a state school, and I can honestly say if my case was everyone's there would be no way out. The economy would fold on itself and the taxpayer would inevitably become welfare recipients, burning their shit worth diploma for heat.
>>79962619
Sure, give people free education, but dump every and all class that's not hard science. Sounds like a solid plan.
>>79962619
>Its about educating your population so they can find employment and not be total NEET fags.
So why can't they accomplish that during the first 13 years of public K-12 schooling?
>>79963999
I think Serbia has a lot of potential for inflationary growth because it has relatively low current price and inflation levels, an educated population and decently high interest rates (i.e it can use standard monetary policy instead of QEing out like western european whores)
That being said, growth is only really possible with lessened corruption so that there can actually be new physical capital
>>79962619
>amerifats
>educated
lel
>>79963410
>Browsing 4chan on mobile
NORMIES OUT OUT OUT
>>79963486
He just needs to ensure himself that he didn't waste 10 years in higher education, instead of working trades from the beginning.
>>79962619
I paid off my students loans.
Why the fuck shouldn't you.
Both my cousins in the US are paying off their student loans without any help from their parents.
Maybe if you didn't study underwater basket weaving you wouldn't be saddled with debt, a useless degree, and unemployment.
>>79962619
You're right, it's not JUST about lol free gibs, it's also about forcing more kids through liberal indoctrination centers for worthless liberal arts degrees that have no fucking value.
It's about mass-brainwashing more Bernie Sanders supporters on the public dime, and about wasting enormous amounts of my fucking money to do it.
>and not be total NEET fags
Oh the fucking irony.
>>79962619
>Its about educating your population so they can find employment and not be total NEET fags.
Many NEETs are educated
How about cutting off welfare instead
>>79964011
No, it means that when you have the exact same skills as everyone around you, your personal value is where it was pre-college. It means you enter a constant arms-race with every person interested in the same professional field to be getting more education and more qualifications. This benefits employers because they more often don't have to hire you but the bar is always being raised and often unnecessarily.
Stock markets aren't particularly more difficult to understand now than they were 30 years ago (the additions of computers to the trading process makes it faster but the philosophy hasn't changed) and yet most places won't hire you unless you have both a Masters and 3 years of internship with them under your belt AND higher mathematics skills
>>79963752
I don't know about your hellhole of a continent, but in America neither of those things is true. Trade jobs pay reasonably well across the board. Exceptionally well if you're motivated and competent. There are plenty of fields starving for new blood.
Getting a degree and/or a career that "requires" a degree is almost entirely driven by a desire to improve social status, not economic.
Fuck you...
I don't feel like paying for some douche bag to learn how to do keg stands while getting a liberal arts or political science degree and thus having ZERO value to the World..
Fuck You..
Follow opportunity, not your dreams. Fuck your dreams. It wasn't my grandfather's dream to be manager of train station but fuck it got him off the mud floor he was sleeping on while he was a peasant. Now he has multiple homes and is happily retired. Fuck your dreams. Get a job and accumulate currency, disregard wenches etc
>>79962619
So do you believe that people who go to college for degrees in women's studies and the likes are going to find proper employment, anon? employment that will completely utilize everything that they've learned to obtain that degree?
>>79962619
the first test you take in any college class should be one question. "did you borrow money to be here" if you answer "yes" then you fail.
it is not that difficult to get a free Bachelors degree. I got one from an SEC school. it didn't cost me anything.
learn to play the system and you will go much farther than trying to change a perfectly good system
also, stop asking people to pay for your shit.
>>79964011
>>79964046
No, it's not about being special, it's about scarcity in the marketplace. Unskilled labor makes low wages because any retard can do it. If a certain job market has an influx of candidates able to do the work, job opportunities dry up and wages go down because the employer can easily replace you.
Autists like >>79964011 think that if every faggot has a degree, everyone will become a magical job superman and make good money and live the ideal American dream when the reality is that he'll still be flipping burgers at McDonald's with a masters degree because he doesn't have a PhD and his field has no openings.
Supply and fucking Demand, it's a law of the fucking universe you will never be able to change or ignore.
>>79962619
In what sectors? Feminism isn't a job, its an introduction to psychopathy and office politics.
"communist college" is a college where they push communism. Replace communist with "national socialist" college and how do you feel about it? Rallies everyday. Sometimes the professors cut the agitators some slack so they can push national socialism on the rest of the populace.
>>79962619
Wew, got me. Now I'm a #Democratrocket
>>79963895
I mean in krautlands you can somehow sustain yourself and live comfortably being a mechanic, welder or waiter. Here those are babby's first jobs or "i'm a middle aged drunkard with no perspectives" jobs. They pay barely enough to live.
>>79962619
fuck free education
literally more useless shit than autismbux
>>79962619
80 percent of muh degrees you sad fucks earn are useless shit. It's only gonna get worse if it's free.
>>79964075
This should be the case for degrees like CS or software engineering. Professors are 10 years behind the ball and have little to offer in the way of preparation for a career. Instead you learn about interpreters and compilers.
>>79962619
>Its about educating your population so they can find employment and not be total NEET fags.
If you want to educate your population why would you improve the quantity of education when you could just say improve the quality of elementary-, middle- and high-school instead?
Wouldn't that be a more effective and cost-efficient way of educating your population?
>>79964437
more neets are living off of rich parents than welfare
>>79964293
Mostly because of diversity and no-one gets left behind.
I actually do believe a large percentage of our high-school graduates are competent enough to get a job straight out of high-school- if they were trained well by their employer.
Its just become a mantra and almost a religion in the U.S. that our high-school system is worthless. That college textbooks are the new Bible- that reading college textbooks is the path to a higher self.
And its just pure laziness and irresponsibility from the baby boomer and gen X generations who say "I don't want to train the millennials for a job, I think colleges should do that for me." Of course this isn't going to work, when the college professors have never agreed to training students to become employees.
>>79964469
This...
I dropped out of college once I realized what a crock of shit it is...
I started my business 4 years ago, and my LOWEST paid employee ( who works in a skilled trade ) made $90k USD last year. I did better..
>>79962619
> promote mass immigration to undercut American workers
> promote outsourcing of jobs to foreign countries
> my free college will help you get a job hurr durr
>>79964319
Yeah I have no idea what you just said lol. Could you recommend a book so I could hold a conversation about economics?
>growth is only really possible with lessened corruption
This I understand perfectly. Society here is rotten only purges will fix it.
>>79962619
(((((educating)))))
>>79963528
use clover you noob
You're paying for my education /pol/. How does this make you feel?
>>79962619
>Taxing me more money so a bunch of a bums can go to college, fail out, or major in some useless branch of study.
No thanks. I think college might be pricey, but I paid my way through it, and Hilrod isn't going to reimburse me. So why should I support it? I pay enough money in taxes to help support people I don't know, nor care about. So how is this beneficial to me?
>>79962619
>pic related
>company needs 200 burger flippers
>company needs 20 mid managers
>company needs 2 ceo
>I KNOW WHAT MY COUNTRY NEEDS ARE 309718273 PEOPLE WITH DIPLOMAS SO THEY CAN FLIP BURGERS WITH SKILL!
>>79964319
All I know is that employers here pay 60% to the state per job. And the tax money goes directly into the pockets of criminal politicians
>>79964075
>College professors have never even agreed to this idea that its their job to train the next generation of employees.
It isn't their job.
College is for if you want a research position or you want some job that requires understanding the theoretical underpinnings of things.
For instance, if you want to design a nuclear reactor, you need solid foundation in particle physics probably.
If you want to code some web app, you are wasting your time in college.
There are places where you can get jobs without a Masters degree.
You just shouldn't expect to start at a high salary.
And you are going to be doing basic grunt work.
Who the fuck goes to college to learn
Everyone goes to get a piece of paper that lets them have a sustainable job 250,000 dollars later.
>>79963895
Exactly what I was told. Too bad nobody said you need connections, not an education to work for the government.
>>79962619
>putting an idiot in college will make him smart
>believing this
W
E
W
>>79964938
I'm not
>>79964938
Considering I did the same thing, just fine. The cycle continues
>>79964759
Gamer kid is probably making millions on jewtube.
Greatest kid is probably shot dead.
I'll chose to stay alive please.
>>79965006
Except all of those motherfuckers who don't have jobs, but have $80,000 in student loan bills..
Honestly, I would not want someone studying in my major using the "free college" model. Zoological nursing is not a field for morons , morons get stepped on by hippos, and eaten by tigers. They also make things far more dangerous for people that do know what they are doing. I do not wish to be in class with some Aposematic feminist fuck up that thinks it's a good idea to let everything run free. OP must be a Bernie shill
>>79962619
more people in college means more idiots in college. I've wasted enough of my time sharing classrooms with people incapable of thinking.
even though i'm not going to be in Uni much longer, i don't want people as smart as or smarter than me to have to deal with the mongoloids of the lower rung
>>79962619
>Supply and demand, how does it work?
Why can't liberals wrap their heads around the fact that if you flood the market with qualified candidates it drives downs wages? It's so fucking easy to grasp, yet they scream free shit from the mountain tops. If employers can pick and choose from hundreds of qualified job seekers there will ALWAYS be someone with the same qualifications willing to work for LESS.
>>79963156
are you capable of forming a sentence without regurgitating what you read on /pol/?
or are you just rationalizing why your friends all went to college without you?
>>79963486
>do ac
>make good money
>everybody assumes you're a broke ass scumbag
>they brag about their income
>if they want to finance they have to reveal it
>laugh when it turns out I make twice what they make
To be fair, getting treated like a scumbag gets old though, I don't know why we get treated so poorly.
>>79962922
Pretty much. University education has been downgraded and diversified into the crapper. Not to mention that (even in Europe) it's run as a for-profit business. Even when they don't make profit, because the numbers of graduates themselves serve as a profit target for state-funded universities.
So universities have a lot to gain by offering people bogus educations. We have people rolling onto the labour market with degrees for specializations that only employ two people in the entire fucking country. And those are real sciences, let alone all this "media studies" crap and who knows what. The left has even taken to parking immigrant youth in what is supposed to be vocational school for, I shit you not, "light singing". That's a thing you can go to school for! Which lefties promise you will result in a career!
I can't even be mad at the students. When you were 18, did you know the ins and outs of educational politics? No, you didn't. This is firmly on the heads of politicians who knowingly fucked up our entire system, condemned an entire generation to debt and unemployment, and probably made bank while doing so.
The field of Western education needs to be wiped clean.
>>79965006
>250,000
Is your diploma printed on a block of gold?
WTF.
Worst debt I've seen among my friends was about $100000, and that was for two people living together.
Mine was about 6000 EUR, but then again, I had a scholarship that paid most of it.
>>79964863
You should just read an introductory microeconomics/macroeconomics textbook. I think it's good enough to give you a background.
And yes, corruption is a killer of all societies. Maybe Serbia can pull a Russia, and have the corruption work its favor by pulling a weird supply-side arrangement where the corrupt oligarchs are the investors.
>>79965418
Med school students.
>>79964759
>World of watercraft
> controller
If you're going to mock someone do it right at least
>>79963752
Trades are where the money is right now.
>>79964938
Good. Thank you for your service.
>>79965418
>>79965518
I remember reading an article that a girl had $200K+ in debt, not even a STEM student. She took a year off and vacationed in Spain.
>>79962619
>I AM SILLY
>>79965367
ac as in hvac stuff? their average salary is like 50k, kek.
are you seriously bragging about that or do you own your own business?
>>79962619
Man you could make this portly fellow black and it would make more sense.
Been around a lot of whites from the midwest and south and legal/1st generation browns that have little to no education and yet they usually have something valuable that you can't learn in college.
Common Sense
>>79962619
>current year
>not knowing what academic inflation is
>>79964759
>greatest generation
I really hate how the these cunts pat themselves on the back for joining WWII two years late, supplying the Soviet Union and ensuring their dominance on the global stage for the next few decades, and willfully dismantling European powers leading to the clusterfuck the world is today.
But no, you're the greatest generation for making life good for yourself, and no-one else but yourself.
I need this shit mayne.
I want to be a firefighter.
But right now I can't pay for EMT school, Fire Science associates, and fire academy.
>>79965418
I think he's talking about total tuition. My college tuition came out to something like $50,000/year, so $200,000 total. Financial aid took that down to $1250,000 (I was from a fairly well-off family, poorer students got more) and scholarships down to $50,000. Loans paid the rest. I walked away with $50k in debt and paid it off in 5 years because I found a great job.
>>79962619
I used to live in the Phoenix metro area. College students are FUCKING retarded. Really all they pick up is a few mathematical parlor tricks, most of which weren't even related to their field. I knew one that could calculate the time it takes a laser to travel to Jupiter and back but needed a calculator to come up with a 15% tip.
>>79965708
Well, when you're that deep in the hole, I guess you shouldn't worry about it, because you'll be worrying for the rest of your life.
>>79964293
> during the first 13 years of public K-12 schooling?
This. Everyone talks about post-secondary education even though the real problem is the k-12 system. When someone who just spent 12 fucking years in school still doesn't know how to survive in the real world and has zero marketable skills, there is a problem. The fact that a high school graduate, a grown adult, cannot do anything other than flip burgers, means there has to be sweeping reform to the education system.
Specializing at the high school level would be a step in the right direction. The fact that information recall is abysmally low after high school means that the overwhelming majority of that learning was a total waste of time. Time that could have been spent learning either useful life skills, or learning and developing skills that the market actually demands.
>>79963410
>Not having clover
Or
>Using iOS
WEW LAD
Not when half of them major in asshole studies lile OP
>>79965401
Well said, brother.
American high school teacher here and half the shit I am asked to do is just a waste of time and energy, even though I'm required by law to do it. We need to just get kids out and into the work force, teach them how to pay their bills, budget, be positive contributors to society, etc. So many of my teenage students can barely read no less wipe their ass or bathe themselves. And I have to review the concept of cell theory with them? While they have these shit covered, smelly assholes their mom didn't even teach them how to clean?
I would love if the American system kicked kids out into a trade immediately following junior high, and required 2 years of a service or internship to teach them "real world" skills as a high schooler. Then maybe they could take classes they wanted to take (business, natural science, engineering, psychology, nursing, etc.) as an older teen (17-20).
The system as it stands is so fucked up
>>79962922
So what do you suggest ? That people don't go to college at all ?
Funny what excuses you NEETS come up to justify the fact that you are lazy leeches incapable of anything other than ranting on the internet.
There is nothing more pathetic than someone with just a high school degree. Not all degrees are women studies and not all professors are SJW marxists. If you ever went to a university you would know that.
Math courses, Physics courses, Engineering courses, economics courses etc are devoid of political agendas in reputable colleges.
>>79965921
>good for yourself and no one else
Well.. Yea, isn't that the point?
You some kind of communist?
>>79966017
I mean during school she took a year off, or just went every Summer, then went back to school
>>79963757
They will value the most educated.
>>79962619
>education
>college
Pick one
A lot of people are coming out of Uni dumber than when they came in.
>>79965975
Let's see, Jupiter is around 5x further from the Sun than earth, it takes light 10 minutes to come from the sun to earth, so thats 100 minutes to Jupiter and back. How'd I do?
>>79962619
Not everybody is cut out for higher education and many would be better off and happier working honest jobs in labor, manufacturing, industry, etc. Fleecing taxpayers to afford free college for everyone won't change that fact.
Sending more and more people who aren't capable of completing a college education to college will only encourage more young people to become perpetual students and put off having an actual life and career, and worse, will encourage colleges to drastically reduce the already plummeting standards and expectations for college students to the point where a college education becomes completely meaningless.
You're already seeing this in a lot of STEM fields. Standards nationwide used to be high enough that even getting a BS meant you had a clear grasp of the concepts and were intelligent and hard-working enough to succeed in a job in the field.... now nobody in industry will fucking touch you without at least an MS and some labs won't even give you an interview without a "Dr." in front of your name.
>>79965866
I know what it says but I don't know anyone making less than 70k. The average person here makes 28k and honestly sub six figures is on the low end. Most of my friends fall between 80-120k a year. I'm projected for 78k this year and it's my first year.
The government already offers people 12-13 years of free education. They spend thousands per kid per year. Look at the results. Half of the kids can't read or write at even a high school level. Many of them have to take remedial classes at college.
They don't need more education. They need a better quality education. Stop using graduation rates as a standard of success. Let dumb kids fail. Stop making things easier.
>>79964331
I'm here to stay, so eat a prick and a few dicks.
>>79966511
Where do you live? That's insane for a job with no college degree required.
>>79966175
Let's be real now: In the past, employers would have educated these people and it was possible to start from the bottom. Today, they demand base competences in their employees, and when they need something else they fire said employee and hire another instead of training up people already with the company.
It's not just education that needs reforming (and it does need reforming). Employers need to be told they're reponsible for their own workforce, and the state is no longer going to pick up the slack by giving everyone a college education.
The problem with specializing in high school is that you're going to give dumb teens the most important decision they can make in their lives. They already do this after a fashion in Britain. And it's not like they're racing ahead of the rest of the world in terms of employment and education.
But yes, school seems to be nothing more than mandatory socialising and remembering a few base facts.
>>79964469
i wish it were that simple anon. i have some physical issues which more or less doom me to white collar cuckery.
>>79965965
>$50,000/year
Is this for everything including housing and whatever?
I paid about 5000 per year, just university registration fee I think.
And this is for pretty much the best university in the Netherlands.
>>79964075
>playing video games promote more violence than being a military bootlicker
>>79966777
>The problem with specializing in high school is that you're going to give dumb teens the most important decision they can make in their lives
When I was in high school, more than anything I wanted to be a filmmaker... now I'm a physicist.
Teenagers are fucking stupid and have no idea what they want to do or what they're passionate about.
>>79963143
RARE
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>>79964331
>Not browsing on mobile while taking a dump
Pleb
>>79966424
I guess I better start working on masters or phd now.
>>79962619
College and job is nice, but even better is no college and job. Why do employers demand high education when they import more illegal workers than ever before?
>>79962619
I like having free college here but a lot of people take retarded courses which nobody needs and then cry about "muh degree" anyway.
>>79966902
I go to an an average state school, it's about 9k for tuition and mandatory fees. but I have scholarships
>>79962619
>everybody has a college degree
>you need a masters to get a job at Stop&Shop
>>79962619
Paying for degrees in Women's Studies, money well spent.
>>79967037
Because Pajeet, with his masters in electrical engineering, will work for less money than Steve, who also has a masters in electrical engineering.
>>79966561
100% agree anon. See my other post: >>79966326
I fail kids constantly and all I get is shit from the school. I could be the most amazing, masterful teacher who holds his students to the line, but at the end of the day it's my job and if I fail too many kids I get "written up". It's happened at least twice in my 6 years of teaching.
I actually had a friend who was fired for failing 25% of his students in a middle school computers class. They were 8th graders learning how to program and do basic IT work as part of a voluntary elective course. A handful of kids refused to turn in work or even touch the keyboard during the entire year, even with multiple interventions, phone calls home, etc.. So, my buddy warned the parents and the administration for the 100th time that he was going to fail them and then he failed them. 15 out of 60 kids failed for the year, almost all of them minority kids from the inner city.
The administration asked him to quit or they would be forced to fire him. He stood his ground and, well, you get what happened next. Poor fucker has that as a "mark" on his record now too, no matter where he goes, if he uses this school as a reference he becomes known as the teacher who failed a quarter of his class. Has to explain it at interviews. Sucks.
>>79966777
The flip side is employees are spending less time at each company. The best way to get a raise is to change companies. And since companies are no longer training their employees, there's no intensive to stay for long periods of time. Used to be that you would stay at one company nearly your whole life. Loyalty was rewarded with more responsibilities and money. Now its different. Best case you can move between departments in the same company, but more likely you'll be quitting when you want career advancement.
>>79966401
I've seen this attitude. It's the age-old moneylender's trick. Target stupid people, and let them sell their lives to you. A few years ago we had a tiny law pushed through that said loanshark commercials had to append their shit with "taking out a loan costs money" because of all those idiots who looked at the commercial promising you that big TV if you just loan the money to buy it.
>>79964992
People like Obama have said that colleges should train the next generation of employees to be "work ready at day 1." And many boomer and gen X employers really believe in this idea.
The problem is, that college professors have never agreed to this idea. If you ask them what their job is, they will usually say "research, expanding minds, teaching general theories." They've never agreed to train the next generation of employees to be work ready at day 1.
What if you believe that college is deadweight on society, the economy, and doesn't really educate people that well for the most part?
Then all that "free money" is wasted, along with people's wasted time that are encouraged to go. Just a loss to the economy.
College just needs to collapse. It is a big business. They all just need to be turned into law schools, tech schools, medical schools, engineerig studies, etc. that's all that would be remaining. Most would otherwise shut down. The sports teams you jerk off to keep them funded though. So when you go to college you're essentially paying partially for a sports game.
>>79966719
>Where do you live
Florida
>That's insane for a job with no college degree required
The crazy part is not really, tradesmen here make good money because most are starving for new blood. I actually got my first hvac job after my ac broke and the guy who came out offered me a job, it was that easy to get a job. When I first rode with him he pulled out his old paystubs showing 3-6k a week.
Even pest control guys here make 60k+, my buddy who does roofing does 4-5k a week.
>>79966340
I go to college and I'm employed, fucktard. I'm majoring in computational biology. I agree with you man. I'm not one of these morons trying to overthrow a system with nothing better to replace it.
>>79966561
So we can't do both?
>>79962619
HuffingPoo: The Cartoon
Why does the "intellectual elitist" left hate white people?
>>79966777
>give dumb teens the most important decision they can make in their lives
People change careers and education streams all the time, at any point in life. At worst, you're just giving dumb teens the most important decision they can make in the next few years. And this decision can be made a litte better informed through the aforementioned education reform.
I went to an academic high school. The expectation was that everyone would pick a standard university career and go with it, like engineer, doctor, lawyer, businessman, etc. What students don't get told is that there are orders of magnitude more jobs on the planet than the handful they think exist, and that their decision of what they "want to be when they grow up" has to be informed by market research. This blind, naive entry into post-secondary education is a large part of the reason we have so many starving artists and others with completely useless educations.
>>79962619
When it costs nothing it is worth nothing.
>>79967182
Most US College students owe their money to the government, not a private bank loan since FAFSA money is easier to get and the first $5000 is free.
>>79967301
Is cost of living high where you live?
>>79962619
What happens when everyone has a college degree?
>>79967493
nothings free slomo
>>79966374
Hitler was socialist.
The good guy
Was
Socialist
>>79967542
Import more third worlders to clean our toilets
>>79962619
A great part of college is tha ability to self-educate yourself. People should learn that.
>>79967220
Most of the stuff I learned in my STEM major was not applicable to the jobs I got out of college. They only became relevant when I also became a teacher, which is ironic.
>study natural history and ecology
>spend 4 years research animal behavior, species interactions, geologic history, etc.
>all the most advanced theories and independent study I could muster
>land a job as a marine biologist and they made me relearn everything to the research firm's standards, laughed at me for quoting college science talk at them
>work as an outdoor field scientist and nothing I learned in college applied to what I was doing and all of the equipment was unfamiliar
>work at an aquarium and suddenly the job is more about boat maintenance, plumbing, and water chemistry -- stuff I didn't learn in college
>become a teacher and now everything I learned in college is applicable, but must be dumbed down to the minimum for 15 year olds to understand it
Sure was worth the debt, though. Those were some bitching parties.
>>79966902
Yeah, I think it was $10k/year for housing and food, so $40k/year for classes. This was a private uni, so more expensive than most. In my state, there are three tiers of public unis - University of California ($25k/year with housing), Cal State University ($5k/year, no housing) and community ($1k/year but only offer 2 year degrees and transfer credits). An extremely poor student would do best at a well funded private university - who offer full need-based financial aid - or starting at a community college and transferring after 2 years.
>>79967479
THE DEGREE HAS NO VALUE ITS THE SKILLS YOU LEARN SHITHEAD
>>79962619
I spent $60k on my degree. Are the Democrats going to retroactively repay me?
>>79966340
>lazy leeches incapable of anything other than ranting on the internet
i wish anon but it's such a fucking waste of time. last time i was enrolled it was always like, "do i study this week or sleep? do i take an extra shift at work or do i pass my exam?" then i look at my schoolwork and it's some fucked essay about the objectivity of aesthetic appreciation and i can't bring myself to care.
the amerifats aren't off the target when they bitch abt how shitty and stupid high school is; i lost all my zeal for learning sleeping thru that shit.
>>79967478
We can owe a large part of the to the trend of telling children to "Be what they want to be". Now every kid out thinks they're going to be the next sensation and major success in their dream field, which often ends up being the arts because Science and math are "soooo hard"
>>79967512
No, it's really low, hence why the average income is 28k.
>>79962619
Oh look Liberals making fun of the uneducated again.
This is why I hate Liberals.
>>79967759
Don't forget they all think they're Youtube stars
>>79967685
Your skills are worth nothing if there's an ocean of other retards like you with the same skills you autistic idiot.
>>79962619
The vast majority of people from my class (2007) that went to college have barely been able to find jobs. If free tuition happens, seems it'll just flood the job market with unemployed educated people. Lol meanwhile I didn't go to college and have a 6 figure career with full medical/dental/vision benefits.
>>79967478
I've been a victim of this way of thinking. Nothing but boomers telling me that "the paper is more important than what's on it". That's literally what my parents and their peers always told me.
I should have just become a fucking plumber.
>>79967685
when your skill is not hard is it a skill
>>79967478
>has to be informed by market research
i kept begging people to help me with this as a teen but they never seemed interested or didn't care.
>>79966340
College should be for training in a specific field. Gen eds are fat that really, REALLY needs to be trimmed. The administrative costs alone are proof positive "well rounded education!!!" isn't worth it. Does EVERY stem student need to take six credits in sociology? Professors are trying to push it even further, taxing the free money machine that is student debt even more by pushing for "STEAM", as if an electrical engineer NEEDS to take underwater feminist basket weaving 201
>>79967685
Kek
It's 90% the degree. You can get most of what you need from college online for free. You can learn all those skills for free, the degree shows that you can also follow a routine and aren't a complete retard. That is half of what you pay for, the other 40% is "prestige."
>>79967685
But employers do require a degree.
>>79962619
The people who deserve free college, get to go to college for free.
>>79967926
The irony is that college would be extremely cheaper if the liberal arts requirements were eliminated and students only took classes required towards their field of study. English is the only exception because everyone needs to be able to write a proper proper paragraph and have legible handwriting
>>79968043
>You can get most of what you need from college online for free.
Seriously, I don't know why people don't learn online then become an entrepreneur, especially for anything involving computers.
Same could be said for any engineer that isn't working, you should have the knowledge to make something in your down time.
>>79967888
>I should have just become a fucking plumber
I dropped out halfway through an econ degree, because it was only then that I realized my job prospects with a bachelor's were basically nonexistent. So I became a welder, and am making significantly more money now than I would have. Also, my education took 6 months and not only was it free, I got paid to do it through government grants.
If the market falls out and welding stops being lucrative, I'll switch to something else no problem. The meme that it's hard to learn something new later in life is just lazy people justifying their degeneracy.
>>79962619
>Its about educating your population
Shit, if only we had a government institution for that specific purpose.
>>79967741
>>79967926
>6 sociology credits
Does this mean 6 courses in sociology ? That's insane.
I don't know much about how american STEM universities handle courses like political science but I've read stories online about how proffesors make you right about how great diversity is and how refugees are good. I always assumed this was an exaggeration though. If this is the normal then there is something wrong with your education system.
Our colleges are garbage (for other reasons) but courses like philosophy and political science were devoid of agendas, we approached things from a completely neutral standpoint and the proffessors were decent. And these courses weren't even mandatory for most of the time.
>>79967859
it's different if you're gril, as far as i can tell none of the wellpaying trades are cut out for the weaker sex. honestly the biggest block is that i don't know anyone who does any of this stuff, so it's hard to make an informed decision. the good news is they've finally stopped hiring me for crappy childcare jobs.
>>79962619
Its not free, someone else has to pay for it. All these European countries with publicly funded education have ridiculously high taxes.
The difference is that instead of financing your own degree some blue collar worker that never went to college has to pay for your education.
In Germany you earn really well if you study STEM, but you pay over 50% of your salary to the government. People that study useless crap will never pay back their fair share compared to that. Publicly funded college will only lead to more useless degrees that provide no value to society.
>>79962619
I went to college and it's a joke. It's basically the same thing as high school for many majors. An example is all course which fall in the 'Liberal Arts' I was demoralized beyond repair when I took these courses / graded other students papers and then saw their final grade from the teacher. The vast majority of college graduates never progress past the intellect of a 16 year old.
Don't get me started on the professors, if you doubt that many of them are depressingly stupid just grow up a bit then look back. This one proffessor rambled for an entire class about her profound life experience - a near death episode that changed EVERYTHING it was so deep and so insane - do you know what it was? She was "blinded" by headlights when she was 25 and swerved off to the side of the road where she came to a safe stop - but WOW thank god she survived to tell us about the meaning of life.
This must have been at just some random shitty school? No that was at NYU and I took courses at other schools they're basically all the same
A tremendous waste of money for 90% of people and a sick joke in many respects for everybody.
>>79968494
>Does this mean 6 courses in sociology
Most classes are 2 or 3 units, so it's probably two or three classes
Off the top of my head, I've had four or five classes though. One was actually interesting, Death & Dying.
>>79962619
Education is the great equalizer between the classes. The plebeians must be kept stupid and satisfied with their bread and circuses, so that they do not rise up against their genetic and societal betters.
Accept the crumbs from our tablecloth that we're kind enough to scrape your way and fucking like it, you filthy guttersnipe.
>>79962619
High school is """""free""""" and look at what a diploma will get you in terms of a job. Nearly everyone besides loser dropouts have diplomas, if everyone had a college degree it would make it as worthless as a diploma or a GED, I don't think you want that.
>>79968203
I was a go-hard STEMer to the point that it didnt feel right to have a semester without at least one mathematics course, but I really enjoyed my liberal arts classes. They werent practical by an means but they gave a different perspective. The electives I enjoyed most were Islamic Theology, International Economics and Modern Russian History.
Community college...
It's free or damn near free for low income people who can't afford it.
I COULD afford it, and still got my tuition paid around 75%... Stop blaming gubbermint for not being able to get some form of education.
Just suck it up, like most of the other losers who aren't good enough for scholarships to real colleges.
>>79968064
That's part of the problem. Employers set their hiring standards far too high, because they're too lazy to vet their candidates properly (with relevant skill testing, not "show me your papers, you're hired!"). If you ask graduates how much they remember from university when they've been working for a year or two, you'll find that recall is extremely low. Which means that they didn't actually need all that education for the job, they just needed a couple courses at most.
>>79968516
>it's different if you're gril, as far as i can tell none of the wellpaying trades are cut out for the weaker sex
On the contrary, most of the well-paying trades are less labor-intensive. Welding, for instance, doesn't require strength. Neither does plumbing. Neither does crane operating. Or wiring a house. These trades are male-dominated, which may dissuade some girls from joining, but there are certainly women working in them already and they do quite nicely (obviously there are useless cunts, but there are plenty of guys like that too). Women just have to be willing to get their hands dirty if they want money.
>>79968562
my school was higher on the us news world report and it was basically paying 40k a year to teach yourself from a textbook. was class of 2011 so lots of recession shit and as far as i know none of my peers are appropriately employed.
>>79968691
>Education is the great equalizer between the classes
I'm not talking about class warfare frog. To make it in the [current year] you need skills. Trade school is fine but some people want to continue their education past HS. College tuition is fucking insane.
I'm 12k deep with 2 years to go in my Software Engineering degree. But some people won't get the same opportunity I have, its lost potential.
>>79968814
A bachelors is (overall) just as useless as a high school diploma.
>>79969047
>I'm not talking about class warfare frog
Damned right you're not. Your politicians suck our gilded cocks, and so will you, you lowly peasant. Be thankful we gave you a loan at all, just so that we can have a few house peasants along with the footpads who tend our gardens and wash our toilets.
>>79969047
no you think you need to be patrt of a machine that does nothing but consume on the most part.
you dont creat you entertain, now make me something fun jester, you dancing fuck.
>>79965602
i honestly don't want to risk electrocution and fish through sewage for a lifetime tbqh
>>79967478
The quicker someone makes a decision, the quicker they can learn if it was the right decision for them or not. More importantly, people learn from their mistakes. You arent helping anyone by putting of important decisions. The opposite, in fact.
>>79964759
>world of warcraft
>sega controller
what sorcery is this?!
>>79968996
>they're too lazy to vet their candidates properly (with relevant skill testing, not "show me your papers, you're hired!").
It's all that HR bullshit, most business don't even hire themselves.
It's disgusting hearing so many HR firm advertisements.
>>79969107
A college drop out is the new high school drop out
>>79968996
>Women just have to be willing to get their hands dirty if they want money.
funny that, i get my hands dirty every day, and the pay is absolutely lousy.
haven't had a good reaction from the people i've asked so far; you can't deny there's an enormous amt of sexism re: job roles. the exceptions are the cucked shittier jobs that no dudes want to do in the first place. i'm a dishwasher right now which is nice because i don't have to care abt anyone's feelings, but shitty because i'm dishwasher. the last job i held for any length of time, also in male dominated industry, i was literally assaulted and my boss fired me in retaliation for speaking up. i can't seem to stick with the girly shit for some reason.
>>79962922
>Because people who don't major in STEM areas are dumb
>Because we don't need Historians, Accountants, etc
Please, kill yourself faggot. Only degree that comes to mind that actually makes people acritical of their surroundings and overall dumber is Women Studies.
>>79966340
>There is nothing more pathetic than someone with just a high school degree
This is the cause of why anon thinks it's a joke. This is a very modern way of thinking, people used to realize college wasn't for everybody. Now people like you have to pay debnts because they thought they had to go to college and wind up flooding college establishments without a true yearning for education and just want to learn dumb shit or just upgrade to the next level of day care to say to people "Yeah I'm going to school" because they think people like you will judge them for it instead of making a smart and real decision.
>>79962619
I thought it was about making the public pay for more useless shit they don't need, you showed me
>>79962922
>le Marxist college meme
>>79967665
Interesting.
Sounds like it isn't that much more expensive than over here, depending on the uni of course.
>>79969617
Sorry to hear that. My mom was one of first women at her job (repairing telecommunications equipment for the now-defunct ASPECT). Despite occasional sexism, she was enormously successful and eventually became a top saleswoman at the company. Dont ever set your sights low. Your life is harder than hers ever was, but I know you can go the distance.
>>79963143
this virgin's got the right idea
>>79962619
Current college student here, your idea is fucktarded. A large chunk of my peers are still undecided 2 years in, many don't have the first fucking clue about current events/politics besides whatever they get through Facebook/Twitter. Many can't even handle it and drop out (which isn't necessarily bad, some wise up and pick up a trade or do something that's otherwise productive. "Free" college would only exacerbate the current bullshit going on in higher education and would most likely lead to more SJW crybabies who feel that planning things like privilege walks and lgbt parades are more important than pursuing their degrees.
>>79969246
Electrocution isn't that bad, I've been hit by 240 so many times it's stupid.
Definitely worth the money.
>>79969107
>>79969545
Not to mention, a bachelors degree is low hanging fruit.
>>79962619
That only works when you have an actual barrier to enterance to higher education. Otherwise, like is the case in the US, it becomes worthless.
>>79963957
>Democrats
>Marxist at all
The most extreme Democrats in Congress are mostly social democrats.
>>79970108
thank you for your support
>>79970308
Heh, one time in high school we hooked up a bunch of power supplies in series. I think each could pump 240v so we had something fierce wired up. I stupidly grabbed a wire in each hand and accidentally touched the live wire on each side. I was on the floor before I knew it. Seriously glad I didnt die, considering the current went across my arms and though my heart. Still have little burn marks on my pointer fingers from that.
>>79964414
>le epic librul arts degrees meme
>>79967888
>the paper is more important than what's on it
This is true within certain limits.
Obviously a degree in EE is not the same as a degree in history.
But a degree in EE is almost as good as a degree in CS, CE, or other similar things if you are just looking to get hired by a random company not looking for someone with 30 years of experience.
Of course there are far more jobs that just don't require this kind of higher education, but people subconsciously think those people are worth less because they have less education and they don't want that for their kids.
I think it's normal to have smart people working stupid jobs.
Just because you can go to uni and get a degree and get a job at google or intel doesn't mean you'll be happy.
People run all kinds of shit with barely any education at all.
From supermarkets to restaurants.
>>79969976
>implying it's a meme
>>79964622
>le communist feminist librul conspeeruhsee
>>79962619
There is already practically free college: State assistance to go to a community college.
The discussion about "free education!11" is a joke because everyone assumes you're entitled to an ivy league college - being able to show no credentials whatsoever.
I mean maybe there are some rich kids that get an easy pass - that's not what you should use to set the standard!
Earning credentials is very useful to avoid careless waste of resources.
>>79969976
Its not a meme anon
>>79968881
Weak.
I did EE and CE.
My electives were all control theory.
Pretty much the classes everyone in EE hated because they were too hard.
>>79962619
>current US university
>majority of people going for shit degrees which hold no value
>people not going for biology,chemistry,engineering,software development
yea lets promote going to college now for free and have a even MORE SATURATED APPLICANT POOL WHICH NO ONE WANTS
face it, its a stupid idea
>>79970414
that would only work if high school were worth a crap. in my country we have to give students a national iq test in order to normalize admissions against wildly fluctuting (read: bad) hs standards.
>>79970085
Yeah there are good options for education here. I have imagine the school you went to is much better than a Cal State tier uni for around the same cost, though. A very good student should be able to make it into a private uni and get a great need based financial aid package. Every private school I know of claims they meet 100% of the financial need of a student.
>>79962922
this, colleges now are mostly churning out unemployable crybabies who are allergic to hard work. This is doing nothing to boost productivity and giving the advantage to countries who dont coddle students and fill their minds will bullshit.
>>79965921
Are you saying we should have fought the Soviets rather than the Nazis?
>>79970414
this
we have an entry limit but it's so low that college diplom means dipshit here, so everyone goes for experience instead, which most of the college students dont have
>>79964469
>>79964787
Out of interest, what trades can one step into with a high school diploma and make a living? Provided one is truly motivated to pull their own weight?
>>79970765
plenty of people are too smart for the jobs you can get thru 2 year degree but not poor or black enough for a free ride to a 4 year school.
>>79971203
never did a trade but there are camps for software development which work
but with that you have to understand you start off with not the degree level wage and you also have to learn new things constantly to stay viable
as for regular trade: HVAC, welding and probably pest control
>>79971203
Some trades require training or certification, which is usually available at community college. Some will let you into an apprenticeship. Either way, it's comparatively cheap.
It'll still take time to make real money, but you'll have learned a valuable skill instead of analyzing recent history through a black supremacist or feminist lens.
>>79971328
Then 2 years at community, transfer credits to a 4 year school. When taking out loans, remember that you are borrowing against future earnings, ie earning that are supposedly going to be higher after you graduate. If you dont have a plan for earning more after uni and the higher earnings dont exist, then you really reconsider going to college.
>>79970657
>>79970792
It is.
An increase in the number of gay-straight alliances and political malcontents with left leanings doesn't mean there's a chance of a communist coup.
