>negligence requires intent!
>regards, FBI
Apparently the FBI is now re-writing the dictionary to help Hillary.
How is "extremely careless" not synonymous with "grossly negligent"?
>>79879400
I'm ok with this. It sets a precedent that allows one to not be liable for carelessness, and I'm extremely careless
My next DWI I am pleading "extremely negligent "
Comey was vice president of lockheed martin and worked for HSBC. Total shill of the shadow government
>>79879745
>>79879870
He did set one hell of a legal precedent.
>>79879400
>Your honor, I was extremely negligent went I placed that explosive device, but I certainly never had any intent to blow up anything.
>Case dismissed!
>>79879745
>that allows """one"""
that allows SHILLARY
>>79879400
This will just lead to more FBI power under Hillary, they cut a deal after seeing Trumps low poll numbers.
>>79880081
You got it wrong.
No intent = no negligence.
>Defendant anon, you were negligent, but since I cannot prove any intent, you were not negligent
>>79879745
I was going to say (((t. FBI)))
but you have a good point
>>79879400
It was a CRIMINAL investigation.
Negligence is not a federal crime.
It's really that simple.
>>79879400
careless like leaving the back door open that let literal hackers to steal classified information. No you're fucking done FBI.
>>79879400
>god damn officer I'm sorry im being negligent over this bag of weed in my car can you let me go?
Will it work /pol/?
>>79880403
Negligence in dealing with classified information such as potentially using it for foreign favors is not a federal crime?
I believe it's called "treason"
>>79880403
>Negligence is not a federal crime.
Lol, it literally is.
See pic in >>79879612
That's a federal criminal law.
>>79880276
Are you retarded?
Open a dictionary
>>79880652
Hey, I'm just following the FBI's reasoning here.
According to them, negligence requires intent.
I work for the DoD and if someone were to fuck around with classified shit they would be in a world of hurt. I've seen one military dude get caught emailing classified shit on accident and he got his computer access revoked, lost a rank, and probably got a fuck ton of paperwork.
So chimp out when? Are you going to stay docile again?
>>79880870
oy vey that's a lie
some shut up this nazi
>>79880772
I'm waiting to her when that sailor that took a picture in the submarine is going to get out now. I'm waiting FBI
>>79879400
Clinton's probably threatened his family or career. He doesn't seem the type to jump at bribes.
>>79880961
It pisses me off so fucking much they put this in the article, essentially saying that she is above the law.
>>79881084
>you win Clintons, I'll hold a press conference and say there will be no charges
>dear press, the Clintons threatened me, here's the tape I secretly recorded
>cops throw cuffs on Clintons
>frame freezes
>yellow credits roll across screen
>>79881247
>they put this in the article
Comey literally said this during the announcement.
>>79879400
well, he's right
>>79879612
Exactly. But it doesn't matter. The bosses in power decided that the law does not apply to Hillary. And there's nothing we can do about it.
Or rather, there is nothing we will do about it.
>>79881383
It's pretty amazing.
Pretty much every dictionary has "carelessness" as the first synonym for "negligence".
Maybe Comey was trying to tell us in code that she's guilty af?
>>79879400
Anyone think that Comey really wanted to indict Hillary but the powers that be came down on him hard and said "No"? His reasoning behind why they're not indicting was so unironically Orwellian that it kind of spotlights just how above the law that Hillary thinks she is.
Just my rambling thought.
>>79881479
Seems like there should be plenty to do about this.
How about simply pointing out that gross negligence is a fucking felony?
>>79879612
Because it is, so that does not make sense.
>>79879612
It is, unless you're a banana republic
>>79879612
>implying she didnt know what she was doing.
This is why you dont elecet lawyers.
>>79879400
Can we just DDoS the FBI website into oblivion?
And the Clinton foundation site
>>79879612
I'm sure you know more about the extremely vast legal code of the U.S. Federal government than the career law attorneys at the FBI. Good catch, anon.
>>79881338
>rewinds
>freeze frame
>close up of Shillary
>"So you're probably wondering how I got here, well It's a long story"
>The Who's "Baba O'Reily" starts playing as we rewind back to her childhood growing up as a redneck in Arkansas
>>79879400
This is dangerous territory. Someone will use this as a defense and win.
>>79881674
I obviously do.
That federal criminal law could not be clearer.
Neither could the evidence that she did mistreat highly confidential secret materials.
>>79881635
You're missing the point. The FBI said they won't recommend indictment. That's that. There is no agency higher than the FBI to go to. It's over.
It doesn't matter that you're right and you're giving the law an intelligent reading. Nobody in power cares. Only the powerless care, and even not very many of them.
The law just doesn't apply to Hillary Clinton, or the Clintons in generally, really. It's a jagged pill to swallow, but swallow it we all will.
>>79881490
How slow are you, Anon?
>>79881674
>appeal to authority
>>79879400
>>79879400
What's the point anymore?
>>79881674
So if Edward snowden just sold his info instead of leaking it he would have been fine?
>>79881846
>There is no agency higher than the FBI to go to.
Well the DOJ is the one making the final pronouncement here.
>>79881674
>Appeal to authority
You commies are on a tear today.
>>79881674
>appeal to authority
Not an argument
>>79881846
/thread desu
>>79881390
I know.... I hit enter and then realized I'm retarded.
>Can't handle something as simple as email without committing "extreme negligence"
>This somehow makes her qualified to be president
EXPLAIN YOURSELVES, HILLARYFAGS!
>>79879400
#They'rewithher
>I didn't mean to do it
>also I didn't mean to delete all the evidence
never been more disgusted with our government
This is why they have been shilling Comey as "our good goy who will do the right thing" for months. They knew he would puss out.
>>79881895
>>79881950
>>79881967
>thinking thats fallacious
god damn this place is hilarious
>>79882171
>>79881674
>>79882171
The FBI literally said she was "extremely careless".
This is fucking synonymous with "grossly negligent".
According to the FBI's findings, she should definitely be indicted.
>>79881948
>Lynch meeting with Bill Clinton in secret and only admitting to it when a reporter blows the story.
>I-I'm t-totally impartial guys. I promise I'll do whatever the FBI says I should do. :^)
>See? The FBI said it wasn't a problem. No indictment.
It's a forgone conclusion at this point. The FBI was never meant to be a check and balance, but we were relying upon unelected federal cops to bring some sanity in our fucked up system. They didn't even have the shame to appoint an 'impartial' special prosecutor because of the obvious conflict of interest in the DOJ.
>>79882171
It is fallacious. It implies that the FBI are being honest brokers, rather than giving a dishonest reading of the law to manufacture a desired result. Where is your evidence that they are being honest? Provide it.
Until then "but they're the FBI!" is a fallacious argument.
>>79879745
You're right I'm glad. Now all a whistleblower has to do is put all their info somewhere insecure on accident and surely their negligence can't be prosecuted right...
>>79881390
your key word here is willful though
>>79882540
What?
>>79882540
How did she accidentally set up a secret server and receive and transmit classified information?
>>79879612
She transferred the data that she has possession of to herself.
>>79881674
You might not be a lawyer, so you may not understand.
The statement that negligence requires intent is something like "the sky is pink" would be to a layperson. Negligence is there to catch cases where the actor didn't intend for something to happen but it happened anyway due to them not caring to take proper care. It fills in for the intent element.
Even if a big fancy government man is saying it, it's a patently ridiculous statement.
by the way, Rudy Giuliani agrees with OP that intent is not required. He was district attorney for southern part of NY, the same position James Comey used to have so I think he knows something about the law
>>79882466
>Until then
is that how it works now
>>79882540
>I didn't mean to be grossly negligent
>>79882540
Under Section 793(f), the keyword isn't willful, it's "gross negligence."
You weak faggots will do nothing to challenge this.
>>79881674
This is the fourth time I have seen this exact wording today. Definitely people correcting the record around here. Reminder: the director of the FBI said very clearly that she broke multiple laws.
>>79882715
What?
The FBI finds that Hillary was "extremely careless" with classified info.
According to US federal law, that's a felony.
>>79882664
because ACCORDING TO THE FBI she was literally to inept to know better, and was not willfully trying to cause damage.
Dumb as fuck, I know.
Who the fuck really thought the fbi isnt a political enity?
>>79882891
Why are you focusing on the intent statute? Why are you not focusing on the statute OP cited, which requires only gross negligence, not willful anything? That too is a law.
>>79882818
>>I didn't mean to be grossly negligent
kek
This whole line of reasoning is so twisted and stupid that it's hilarious no matter how you phrase it.
>>79882818
that was literally her defense, and it worked, because the system is fucking rigged.
>>79879400
Hillary wasn't being negligent. Her subordinates were. Therefore her punishment should've been an administrative one. That's the argument I've heard. Anyone care to call it out?
>>79882891
>she was literally to inept to know better
That's gross negligence.
A felony when dealing with classified info.
>>79881948
It will never happen, but a gotcha indictment from the DOJ would be amazing
>>79883014
because we were breaking down the definition of gross negligence.
>>79882786
I think people are either shills or completely retarded if they don't see the point about negligence. Intent matters in some actions that could be crimes. We have these laws to try and make people give a shit about national security. If your only laws concerning top secret information were 'don't sell it to the Russians' then you've set the bar extremely low.
The information is never meant to fucking get out, and whether you meant to leak it or not doesn't change the reality that you've made the United States significantly more vulnerable to our enemies. Hillary should rot in prison.
>>79881674
Notice how correct the record people post tinfoil hat memes or retards. This is a petty ad homenim (personal attack) method used to try to discredit the obvious. Very dishonest, sad really.
>>79883067
>Hillary wasn't being negligent. Her subordinates were.
Bullshit.
She was the one who gave the orders and made the decisions. She is literally on record telling her subordinates to use unsecured servers.
>>79883067
The server was set up at her insistence. She failed to pursue any sort of security safeguards, and told nobody in the chain of command at the State Dept. what she was doing. What's more, she received e-mails with classified data on that unsecured server, in her custody, and told nobody. She made no effort to alert security experts about the mishandling of classified data and kept it on the unsecured server. How is that not on her?
>>79883127
I'm aware, but it seems they would rather dabble in philosophy and say, "can you commit a crime, if you don't know it's illegal"
It's blood boiling, I'm aware. But you can't fairly fight these people.
>>79883067
Except she sent classified emails too, and ordered minions to strip classified markings
#DontTrustHer
>>79883162
And willfulness has nothing to do with that.
>>79879400
Comey was appointed by Obama....this fact alone means he can't be trusted.
>>79879400
my brother used to be in the military doing some shitty intel job, and one day he got slammed so hard he got kicked out over a top secret document going amiss and him not knowing about it
negligence is not an excuse, she's straight up committing treason at this point.
>>79883346
>But you can't fairly fight these people.
A fucking child could personally demolish their argument in a court of law.
Comey just said this stupid shit today, let's see how it pans out.
>>79879400
>>79879612
Why do you hate America bro?
>>79881846
>There is no agency higher than the FBI to go to.
trump becomes president
>appoints AG
>indicts Hillary
>>79881397
>>79882171
>>79882805
Thank you for Correcting the Record. 30 pieces of silver have been deposited into your account.
It was her her intent to be cut off of the .gov .mil networks to use the unsecured .com system.
>>79882882
If she removes it from its rightful place to a wrongful place. She generated the classified documents on the email server. Hence the statute doesn't apply. Further the statute deals specifically with defense intelligence, not general state department affairs or general classified information.
>>79882882
They weren't even looking to build a case under the espionage act.
>>79883434
>willful, or reckless
it's literally in the definition, anon.
reckless MIGHT imply you knew the consequences, and she said she didn't.
This is what lawyers do, play with words to get their client off.
was classified information in her email? yes.
is that illegal? yes.
why is a jury not deciding? politicians.
i've said it before and i'll say it again: the three branches are losing legitimacy.
>>79880390
Not really. Comey literally said that someone else could do the same thing in the future and they may be charged. He was basically trying to tell us this decision isn't what he chose and he was coerced into letting her off. Hillary and Bill have murdered almost 50 people over there careers.
>>79880870
But not thrown in jail. Which is what the FBI literally said.
>>79883512
Oh dude there's no way a normal worker bee could do what Hillary did and get away with it.
Imagine if some Homeland Security data analyst that works out of a cubicle and makes $50k a year decided to set up a server in the basement of his home where all of his classified work-related e-mail was routed, and told nobody about this. Does anyone believe for a second that this hypothetical worker would escape criminal charges?
Our government is corrupt. It's really just that simple. Some of the sheep don't want to accept this.
>>79883571
>trump becomes president
He won't even get the nomination kiddo. The GOP convention will be the biggest shit show in human history. Enjoy!
>>79880870
That's what Comey said. They didn't think there was enough there to prosecute, but normally there would be some kind of administrative punishment like in your post.
>>79883638
then why is bradley manning in prison? all he did was state department intelligence. not defense intel.
>if she wasn't such a completely inept buffoon then what she did would be considered a crime and face harsh legal consequences.
>of course now that I've said this on national television, the rest of you are now considered "informed enough" so that if you do try to do anything like this you will be punished.
>>79883520
I think we all know how this will pan out, it will be dropped from the media until after the conventions and then it will be picked back up again to say "Look how stupid Trump was, saying Hillary was guilty and then the fbi said they weren't HAHA WHAT AN IDIOT vote for Hillary :^)"
>>79882370
>It's a forgone conclusion at this point.
Of course it is because everyone that had knowledge of Hillary's negligence and had the power to stop her would be brought down as well.
This includes president Obama
>>79883849
fuck off, shill.
Comey goes on record saying that "no reasonable presecutor, "would bring such a case.". So Comey is basically giving Lynch her marching orders and poisoning the well so to speak. There is no way Lynch can prosecute now that Comey went on record deciding for everyone what Hillary's intent was....like he couold ever know. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.
>>79883614
not an argument
>>79883753
It seemed to me that he was forced to say that but decided to give her the hardest beating he could while at it. Can someone give me a quote if he said something along the lines of not recommending that "NOW, because that would basically mean he said they might change their minds if the situation change just like the FBIbro said.
>>79883346
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat
I guess it doesn't count this time.
>>79883741
Where are you getting this from? Show me the precise piece of legal data that you are deriving the word willful as part of the legal definition of gross negligence. It's not in the relevant statute, so let's see what you are referring to exactly. Source it.
>>79883985
>if you support Clinton = shill
>if you beg /pol/ to give money to trump = not shill
I'm glad my ancestors killed yours
Legally, negligence DOES require intent. The intent to neglect. If it is a crime so serious that ignorance is not an excuse then the crime would not be negligence, it would be committing the act. Pleas of incompetence are quite common in legal cases regarding negligence. When it comes to things like child safety and car accident, it is quite difficult to argue that you were unaware of what was expected and required of you (especially since you have to take a test to even be eligible to drive), but when it comes to following proper procedure, it's quite commonly a successful defense.
wow.......really makes you think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrsPePYszEQ
>>79879400
>ME:I was speeding??? Oh geez, oh man...I'm sorry officer! I wasn't intending to go that fast! I was merely trying to move at the speed of traffic!
>OFFCIFER: No problem! carry on, son!
>>79884121
THIS PICTURE, JESUS CHRIST.
>>79881383
>>79884209
>what is colloquial?
KEK
>>79881912
If his last name was Clinton and he accidentally leaked everything then he'd be fine.
>>79884203
yes
blacks do kill lots of white people
>>79883753
>Hillary and Bill have murdered almost 50 people over there careers.
which is exactly why Comey used this phrase:
>no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.
yeah, reasonable people don't want to be killed
>>79882715
Yes, she was in possession of her own emails and should be in prison
you know what offends me the most? i never ever hear about government officials facing criminal charges. the us government employes over a million people, and i never hear of any of them being criminally charged.
except congress doing meth and fucking hookers and only getting sent to rehab.
>>79883900
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_charges_in_United_States_v._Manning#First_set_of_charges_.282010.29
>>79884319
>Dictionary.com
Oh, so you're just talking out of your ass. I should have figured.
Yeah, dictionary.com is not part of the U.S. Code or American legal precedent.
>>79879400
negligence requires intent?
since when?
based Giuliani btfoing our faggot FBI Director
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdcdmRtnP8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD6Ykxlvddk
>>79884209
All I know is, I get thrashed for my bed not being properly made, but the born-to-wealth ruling caste can hand secrets over to our enemies and it's not a crime. This system is dysfunctional and anyone else could do a better job.
>>79884209
Her first days as Secretary of State Hillary was briefed on the proper handling of classified materials and I believe required to sign an affirmation she understood. Then she immediately went to setting up her private email server.
Her real intent was likely to avoid her ability to do shady shit via the Clinton Foundation and avoiding the FOIA. That she exposed classified and highly sensitive materials to foreign governments was just a side effect. But it still happened because of her fuck ups.
>>79884209
It's simple. The fact that she wanted a private server denotes intent.
>>79884209
Comey said that many of the emails were marked as secret, top secret, and classified. He also said that those that weren't marked, she as the Sect of State should've known they were. In sending emails that she knew she shouldn't be sending, she showed intent.
>>79884044
bumping for this question
>>79880057
No he didn't. If the DOJ follow his example then the precedent is set. As an institution they can say whatever the fuck they want.
>>79884446
Why does the FBI exist again?
This guy said they spent a year recovering all of these illegal top secret mails which probably cost 100 million dollars to do. Then just laughs at the camera and says
>we're not going to prosecuting her though lol
>your opinion doesn't mean shit xD
Comey just used the false "intent" argument to satisfy the crooked Obama/Lynch regime.
He brilliantly worded it to make it obvious that the reason NOT to prosecute was just political bullshit.
>>79880945
Da.
Ja.
Oui.
Si.
Yes.
Comey's conclusion does not match the facts he stated in his press statement. She lied about turning over all the emails. She lied about not sending or receieving any classified ot top secret emails. Hillary and her lawyers "wiped clean" the hard drives so that the information could not be recovered. And yet this cuck still has the balls to say that there was no criminal intent.
The system has failed the American people.
>>79884381
>us government employes over a million people, and i never hear of any of them being criminally charged.
>>79884319
Sorry, buddy, the law is pretty clear. This isn't the first case of negligence that has ever come up.
>>79884221
>18 second clip
This is called 'taking out of context'
>>79880403
Yes, it is, and the FBI director even said as much in his speech today. Hence so many people being so pissed off. He literally outlined what the crime is, that she did it, but they won't recommend charges because reasons. Even went on to say that someone else under similar circumstances WOULD face consequences.
>>79879400
If the FBI will not enforce or respect the law, then I will not respect the FBI, nor will I recognize them as a legitimate authority. They made their bed, now they may lie in it.
The only good FBI agent is one that is hung from a tree. The enemy is our own government. If they refuse to resist globalism then we should resist them.
>>79884609
Nope. Still wrong. Dictionary.com is not a valid source for the legal definition of gross negligence.
Here, use a legal dictionary at the very least. No mention of willfulness at all:
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=838
Like I said, the FBI has been infiltrated for decades. If you think they care about real justice or even the founding documents you still live in blue pill land
>>79884625
>hillary would face administrative punishment if she were still in government
>this means she is guilty of a crime
fuck off trumpshill
>>79879400
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea
>>79884768
>and is so great it appears to be a conscious violation of
gee, that sounds familiar.
>>79884700
I hope they trace your IP and kill your whole inbred family fuckstick.
>>79884885
Except it's not willfulness.
>>79884768
>Dictionary.com is not a valid source for the legal definition of gross negligence.
what mental disability do you have? I never mentioned anything about dictionary.com. You got the autism?
>>79884700
People like you are the reason cops are constantly red flagging this fucking site. Fuck off..
>>79884488
Getting fired is a very different thing than getting criminal charges mounted against you. The court of public opinion is still out on how this effects her campaign and whether or not we should give her another job in light of her incompetence, but the legal consequences are pretty clear (there are none).
>>79884506
I believe he said 9 of the emails were the Special Access type that need to be viewed in a secure location and are considered above top secret.
>>79884960
The anon I was replying to did, however. Pay attention to the conversation if you're going to insert yourself into it, communist.
>>79884960
he does, he meant it for me, and is currently arguing over the meaning of words with similar definitions, and similar meanings.
So if I have a government position with security clearance and I accidentally put nuclear secrets onto a thumb drive and accidentally give it to a Chinese man who then accidentally deposits $5 million in my bank account which I accidentally spend on a luxurious lifestyle, I'm totally cool, right?
After all, the FBI said so.
did someone order some faggot canadians?
>>79885104
No, you're just wrong. Plain and simple. You based your argument on dictionary.com. Embarrassing.
How much is Hillary paying you?
>>79879400
>James Comey
Jimmie Commie
>>79885033
>The court of public opinion is still out on how this effects her campaign and whether or not we should give her another job in light of her incompetence
Sadly, people will forget about this in a week and go back to focusing on the banal excuse of a life they have.
>>79884381
Weren't a few Representatives caught on corruption charges last year?
>>79879400
I'm sorry, I didn't intend to run over the Black Lives Matter Parade, and I didn't intend to put the car in reverse to run over them again.
Can I go home now?
Kek
This entire charade is a joke. Are they even trying to pretend that there isn't some corruption going on with this decision? How can they keep a straight face?
>>79881582
Of course. There is no way he could protect his family. He was coerced.
>>79885118
do you have evidence she colluded with foreign governments? the FBI doesn't
>>79885098
Cool story mudblood
WHY YOU HATE MUHH FREEDOMS?
>>79884700
it's ironic the government is losing legitimacy right as north american union 2017 will start. heh
>>79884768
Why don't you two fags get a room. No one gives a damn about your stupid semantics.
>negligence requires intent
No, reasonable prosecutorial success requires intent.
![Hillary_Clinton_email_uses_slang_term_to_3501060000_24699567_ver1.0_640_480[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GQa3RpO.jpg "Hillary_Clinton_email_uses_slang_term_to_3501060000_24699567_ver1.0_640_480[1].jpg")
Its the equivalent of holding the door open for a coworker. Yeah its against the rules, but no one gives a shit about it.
The email thing has been played the fuck out for months now. I hope Trump keeps going after it, when people hear about Clinton's emails it makes bores the fuck out them, makes them want to fall asleep, not vote Trump.
>>79885049
Hopefully someone will release these
>>79884821
shhh don't trigger the /pol/tards
>>79881709
underrated post
THE FBI JUST SAID ALL LAWS ARE SUGGESTIONS
WE'RE FREE BOIS
I'M GOING TO FIRE AN RPG AT MARINE ONE
IT WAS LEGAL THIS WHOLE TIME
THEY TRICKED US XD
>>79884954
>http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?typed=willfulness&type=1
"willfulness" isn't available in the dictionary.
Whatever difference you have in your head about the difference between willfulness and consciousness does not have legal precedence.
>>79885300
>do you have evidence she colluded with foreign governments? the FBI doesn't
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/
>>79884381
You clearly don't read the news very often.
>>79885313
Give up so soon, commie? It's okay, nobody was taking you seriously anyway.
>>79885209
stay mad bro,
I NEVER said Hillary is innocent, she is guilty as fuck.
I'm just explaining her defense to simpletons like you, who doesn't think a willful decision is the same as a conscious decision.
we need more meme magic
or KEK will forsake us for all eternity
WE NEED NEW HASHTAGS AND IMAGES
WE NEED MORE HIGH ENERGY
t. MAGA
>>79885277
>Are they even trying to pretend that there isn't some corruption going on with this decision?
>a Bush appointee with a storied history of impartial success not to mention the prosecution of powerful figures renders a decision that favors a politician
>he must be corrupt
>>79885028
go kill yourself canuk. your government already lost all legitimacy. go lick dog balls you homosexual loser
>>79885432
where on the website is hillary proven guilty? i can't find it
>>79885336
Great,then he should go after clinton foundation
>>79879745
Actually, no.
"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."
So basically, "it's okay if she does it."
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>>79879612
>Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting national defense WITH INTENT OR REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THE INFORMATION IS TO BE USED TO THE INJURY OF THE UNITED STATES. . .
Stopped reading here.
>>79885401
Well there is obviously a difference between willfulness and mere consciousness, which is why there are two separate terms for the two different concepts, but the disagreement comes in the form that willful behavior is simply not at all the same thing as 'the appearance' of conscious violation of the law.
Words matter. Especially in the law.
Go back to your disgusting communist subreddit.
>>79885561
No, if in a position of responsibility someone lower on the totem pole would be open to administrative punishment. not legal prosecution
>>79882540
Comey rewrote the rules today. The day after our Independence Day of all days.
>>79885300
>pass secrets to a private email server
>disable security features on email server
>hacks 'accidentally' happen
>money mysteriously appears in Clinton Foundation bank accounts from China, Dubai, Saudi Arabia
Daily reminder Watergate was over breaking-and-entering.
These days, intentionally compromising state security is perfectly okay if you're a woman and a Democrat.
>>79879612
It is. It's not supposed to make sense, you're just supposed to accept it. They're telling you she's guilty, but that she will not be charged.
What they really mean is "extremely careless" is not necessarily "grossly negligent" if you are Hillary. He's saying this flat out to give you an idea of what their thought process is.
>>79879400
Tbh I think he was told to drop the case or else his wife, kids, parents, sister, sister's cats etc were all going to have some unfortunate "accidents"
>>79885699
What do you think that administrative punishment is? The loss of security clearance at the very least.
What does the President have? A security clearance.
Hillary should have her security clearance forever stripped, should she not?
>>79885561
Or he was forced to not do that, he did said "now", which mean that if the situation change so will his stance.
Usually the spin is better at obfuscating. This is sloppy, more like what I'd expect from Russia or China - thinly veiled excuses.
>>79879400
I thought when handling information critical to national security, admittance of negligence is literally admittance of guilt.
Didn't a guy get 20 years for taking a selfie on a sub because there was a radar monitor in the background?
>>79879612
Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information? Does this function upon home email servers not being a form of "lawful possession?"
>>79885561
But that isn't what he said. He never stated that. You are putting words in his mouth. With other anon, I have to say that it would be administration punishment, not legal. She would have faced admin punishment, not legal. I still feel like this will bite her in the ass later on, Trump will use this in the debates.
>>79885739
Watergate was just about Republicans breaking into the Democrat Party war room. That was just election spying, and had nothing at all to do with national security or state secrets. Everything Clinton did was on so many orders of magnitude higher than Nixon would have had a stroke at the idea of being that corrupt.
>>79883260
lol, the people leaking her emails are her political enemies, not her
Why shouldn't they rot?
>>79885652
> I did this on purpose
> I plan to do this on purpose
>OH YEA, THOSE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT, HOW COULD I BE SO STUPID
please get educated.
>>79881709
>"Baba O'Reily" starts playing
>not
>"Teenage Wasteland" starts playing
5/10
>>79885907
That was my point.
Nixon resigned over something Hillary would call a Tuesday.
>>79885777
>>>
the cowardly right at it again this time afriad of literally all women
>>79885777
Kek confirms, he knows her lies, her offerings of unfunny memes insult him, his reckoning will be harsh
>>79885972
Terrible argument. The difference is not between willfulness and intent to commit act. The difference is between willfulness, and the appearance of a state of mind that would indicate a disregard for protocol.
You're bad at this. Hillary should fire you and bring in a better shill.
You see, you can draw whatever you want out of what he said to fit your narrative. Others would just say that anyone else who was in the position would be tried through administration, not legal proceedings. Unless you can find those emails that specifically had her selling secrets, garnering money, etc, your are just putting words in peoples mouths to fit your own narrative dude. I follow Trump big time, but this is getting into that weaponized autism side of /pol/ again.
>>79884790
There was some noise about being embarrassed about the legacy of MLK harrassment, not to mention Hemingway.
One would think they'd want to rebuild some trust from the US public.
>oops i crashed into a mother and her child killing them both instantly
It's ok though i didn't intend to.
>>79879400
>Ignorance IS a defense.
I like this.
>I wasn't aware what I was doing was illegal.
>>79886203
shill
Guys..
guys..
GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we need to get the Bernouts worked up about this I mean get them into a frothing rage, fire up all your sock puppet accounts and rage non stop about this to the Bernouts for weeks
>>79885214
lol blagoyavich was imprisoned the day after shutting down bank of america
the dea arrested a congressman helping the cartel
>>79886175
>grasping at straws
oh yea, I said she was guilty. I'll say it again, she is guilty. gee, how shilly of me.
>>79884487
The best part is that Rudy USED to be the fucking Grand Prosecutor (or whatever the fuck the thing is called) of NY State.
I fucking love this man and want him for mayor, governor, President, God-Emperor, whatever. No homo.
>>79886261
Why is drunk driving illegal when leaving top secret information in an unencrypted .txt document on a server you share with russia is legal
>>79886203
It isnt even about her garnering money or selling shit to foreign countries. This is about Hillary willfully setting up a private email server that classified information was sent to. That cannot be redeemed
>>79886552
I'm not grasping at straws. I am deconstructing your shitty subversive argument.
>I said something many posts ago but proceed to employ subversive, nonsensical pro-Hillary arguments so I'm not really a shill
Just go.
>>79885622
Do you understand how the word "or" works. Think about it like this, a person is gay if they
a.) are romantically attracted to men or
b.) sexually attracted to men.
your defense is the same as saying "I only like sucking cock so it's not gay because I'm not romantically attracted".
>>79886324
Why not? Reagan got off by saying he didn't remember.
Thanks FBI "I didn't intend to do it"
If Hillary was just a nobody in some nobody position in the military and fucked up like that she would be having a very hard life right now
>>79886864
He was at least old/had dementia. Hillary is fully within her right mind, and if she's not, she should not be an elected official
>>79881674
>1 post by this ID
>>79887052
>Hillary is fully within her right mind, and if she's not, she should not be an elected official
Trump thinks vaccines cause autism and is running for president.
>>79879400
It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.
It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.
It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.
It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.
It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.
It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery.
> paging FBI ANON
> does investigation continue behind the scenes
> IS INDICTMENT IMMINENT
>>79887159
no he just said a big booster shot of vaccine all at once rather than lower dosed and spaced out that's all
>>79881674
>he thinks it's a question of law and not a question of political pressures
>>79885699
Yeah, okay. So she should have her clearance stripped. And she should be fired. Absolutely. It should definitely force her to quit the race.
>>79885846
Uh, how can it change? At this point, the FBI did its job. It's up to the DOJ to correct this mistake.
>>79885889
Fine. I agree, maybe she shouldn't be thrown into jail. She should be a) fired, b) have her clearance revoked permanently, and c) be forced to drop out.
Alternatively, why the fuck shouldn't she go to jail? Other people went to jail for similar stuff, so what, is she special or something? (Yes)
>>79879400
The clintons needed to be convicted and put in prison while they were out of power. They will not be stopped this time until they completely redirect the military of the U.S. to invading Iran and completely redirect the tax system to funnel money to faggots and dindus.
>>79879612
>How is "extremely careless" not synonymous with "grossly negligent"?
Pro tip: words have multiple definitions and trade usage; e.g. "theory" in the scientific sense (evolution, gravity) vs. "I've got a theory on who ate my lunch in the break room fridge."
"Gross negligence" != carelessness or even "extreme carelessness" in legal parlance. Come to the States and get a law degree. Good advice to the rest of the millennial shitheads itt who think they know how the law works because they can punch in Merriam-Webster.
>>79879400
Somebody should negligent discharge a bullet into Hillary's skull.
>>79887477
Unfortunately, the powers at be are going to try and make her president.
We need to reveal how corrupt all this shit is.
>>79887477
You know the FBI guy came here and SAID this wold happen a few days ago, the clinton foundation is still under investigation.
>>79887620
The the FBI that would be be just fine and dandy.
>>79879400
I am remembering this next time I am in court...
>>79880390
Fuck off with your shit tier t. meme you fucking faggot.
>>79887620
>I was aiming for the birds
>I didn't intend to kill her
>>79887620
We need more foreign flags saying this shit. You guys can't be prosecuted, unless you're German.
>>79884625
>tfw Trump's AG does press charges based on the FBI's investigation
2016 is good, 2017 will be even better
>>79887705
Well, yeah, and I'm not pissed off about that.
I'm actually more pissed off at the FBI. Like, if this was the way they were going to resolve it, they should've simply said - "We do not believe Secretary Clinton is guilty of gross negligence." And that's it. It's not like the FBI HAS to report how they concluded their investigation.
>>79886780
>Do you understand how the word "or" works
Let's get this straight. You believe she had reason to believe (the part after OR) that information used on her personal email server "be used to injury of the United States?"
Reminder : the Clintons sold top secret information to China
Leaving top secret info on an open access server isn't the ONLY thing they've done
There's absolutely no legal recourse, we can't stop them or their foundation, as today proves
>>79888024
>I'm actually more pissed off at the FBI. Like, if this was the way they were going to resolve it, they should've simply said - "We do not believe Secretary Clinton is guilty of gross negligence."
See:
>>79884625
The FBI wanted to make it very very clear why they said it the way they did.
trump is a fucking idiot
I'm sure a little more will fix everythhing
As soon as I heard about this whole thing I knew nothing would happen. I was a Counterintelligence agent in the Army for 9 years, and have seen shit similar to this a million times. Leaks and mishandling of class happens very often, especially from incompetence and sheer negeligence and nearly always ends in same ways.
If a junior enlisted or officer, they will lose their clearance and occasionally go to prison. If mid level, they MAY lose their clearance and be sent somewhere else/leave theater. If they are a general or higher absolutely nothing will happen to them, often the rules of handling class are unofficially altered for them from the get go.
It's extremely unfair and part of the reason I left the army and especially CI. You can gnash your teeth about it all day but it's pointless, if you're a big wig in anyway you don't follow the same rules as the little people.
>>79883224
That's not the kind of orange suit I want to see her in.
>>79885777
This is what I think too. All it really takes is to threaten to kill anyone close to Comey to get him to think twice about recommending an indictment. He's been in government long enough to know that assassins do exist.
