When will /pol/ admit that capitalism is bad?
That's not real capitalism :^)
as long as things are as they are in norway now, i dont care much if americans suffer because of ebul capitalists desu
>>79838275
You will change your mind when you get TTIP agreement in EU.
>>79837620
Once we develop a better system
>>79837620
There is literally nothing wrong with outsourcing. It leads to cheaper products, increased standards of living for both sides and allows people to move into other job fields.
>>79839913
How do you get uncucked by Globalism, if you think capitalism is the best system?
There are reasons why major corporations are shilling for TISA, TTP and TTIP.
>b-but Trump will stop it
Doubt it, this guy always change political views and I don't see why he would stop it, since it will benefit his corporations profit.
>>79837989
This.
Controled capitalism with some socialist factors. Works wonders for the nordics. At least before they were subverted into muh multiculti crap.
It is bad. The only argument for capitalism ever put forward is "I-it's not as bad as other systems!" It's like contracting one disease but sitting content that you don't have another.
>>79840441
that's not real communism, either :^)
>>79837620
Name a better system.
>>79840703
Got to find a balance I guess, capitalism and socialism is just two sides of the same shekel.
Capitalism is efficient and works great.
>>79840902
this
>>79837620
When will you stop shilling for jewish supremacy?
I've been on Addie's side for years
>>79840992
>Capitalism not jewish supremacy
Good goy
>>79840576
Can you show me a capitalist system with Nordic people for comparison?
Any system works ok with Scandinavians. As they are finding out now, they don't all work with Arabs and Somalis.
>>79840825
Feudalism.
Try to argue that
>>79839240
Won't happen as the EU will collapse soon. It's only selling points are anti-racism and importing niggers and muslims
>>79837620
It sure is
but communism is much worse so fuck off faggot
>>79841132
/thread
>>79837620
When capitalism becomes bad.
>>79837620
>>79841082
So you itend to hand the jews a totalitarian state rather than some banks and a couple of burger chains?
>>79837620
Many do though, /pol/ is not one person.
>>79841167
No. Hats retarded. It's inefficient and history shows us that it is completely chaotic and unreliable. Monarchy with a parliament undertoe would be far more sensible. Authority and the power to change without the chaos that a large and turbulent noble society brings.
>>79841167
Functionally identical to socialism in that everything is owned by lords(bureaucrats) and conferred by lords.
>>79841292
Reminder read Culture of Critique by Kevin McDonald and install the coincidence detector
https://a.pomf.cat/euvxrg.xpi
>>79837620
niqqa this place is full of hardcore national socialists
>>79841405
History shows us it is capable of creating world-engulfing empires.
And feudalism =/= monarchy.
And not that i am seriously considering this idea - just amount of sheer "only capitalism works" in this thread is not a sign of red pill.
>>79841316
Capitalism works only with the state those elected often only sit within parliament to futher corporations while states bail out large multinationals
Why do you think capitalists love mass-immigration so much because it keeps wages low.
Couldn't think of a more jewish ideology
>>79841548
>that image
I keep seeing that image, I will save it for a shitpost later.
>>79840415
>Doubt it, this guy always change political views and I don't see why he would stop it
He has been against this stuff since the 1980's (NAFTA), publicly. It's the one position a long with the wall that he has been consistent on.
>since it will benefit his corporations profit.
It won't. People also have other motivations than profitt, even capitalists. Like nationalism.
>>79837989
> my specific brand of capitalism has never been tried
>>79841548
>Strawman the picture
>>79837620
>Bill Clinton
>capitalism
Are you serious? The guy was a corrupt piece of shit who increased the government and made shady deals with rich fags.
So you want to increase the government? What do you think is going to happen then? You think that will be bad for rich people?
>>79841132
Sweden was not such a paradise forever, in the beginning of the 20th century it was not much different than the rest of europe. Also we can't really tell how well pure capitalism would work for them today, but we can tell that a mixed system is (or was) working just fine.
>/leftypol/ is unironically making daily anti-capitalism/pro-communism threads in an attempt to "convert" /pol/
>gets btfo in every single one of them
wew lads
I'm a socialist but only because of robots and automation. They will destroy and bury communism for good and usher in an era of techno/robo socialism.
The state will never whither away like communists and anarchists believe though.
>>79841859
Refute any of Politifact's claims.
all "isms" that go unchecked are bad.
>>79842124
Just because your against capitalism that dosen't make you a communist
Also which form of communism are you refering to there are multiple forms ?
>>79842124
>get bored
>go to /leftypol/ because why not
>it's ded as fuck
IM A CAPITALIST AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>79841792
World engulfing empires assuming that your enemies are barbarians. No country ever captured all of Europe. They never engulfed civilized nations. It isn't efficient.
If you are referring to empires like the mongols and the Romans, they weren't feudal. Maybe the Mongols kind of were, but their empire didn't last that long.
>>79842220
they refute their own claims when they state Trump's pants are on fire because he doesn't parrot their negrophile stance on black/black crime.
>>79841814
>Why do you think capitalists love mass-immigration so much because it keeps wages low.
That doesn't mean that corporations benefit from immigration, the states that show the worst trends economically (per capita) are the ones that take the most migration. California is slowly becoming less profitable and shittier in every way. They are motivated by pressure from far leftists and using state wage subsidization (wellfare for illegals) to lower the wages. If leftists hadn't created the problem, it wouldn't exist.
>Capitalism works only with the state those elected often only sit within parliament to futher corporations while states bail out large multinationals
Nope, that's a stupid cliche and you neither care nor know how corporations use the state to their advantage (which is why you vote for social democrats).
There's cosmopolitan capitalism, nationalist capitalism, cosmopolitan socialism and nationalist socialism. Cosmopolitan socialism fails as hard as cosmopolitan capitalism.
Outsourcing is a failure of cosmopolitanism, not capitalism. Protectionism isn't necessarily against the free market, within your nation people still compete fairly and equally.
>>79841862
Capitalism is a pretty clear-cut ideology. No government intervention in the economy. Has been that way since 1776 when adam smith's book came out, has remained that way from the founding fathers to mises to milton friedman to andrew jackson/
Unlike your shifty-ass ideology that can't even decide what to name itself let alone what its "true correct values" are or how any of them are going be achieved.
>>79837620
Earlier posts aside: Only a fool would admit capitalism is good, but this coming from a former "socialist" (whatever that even means), a well regulated market-based economic system is the best choice (see how I dodged, I didn't actually say capitalism).
>>79841912
I have never experienced it otherwisem, the only exception is that I personally addtionally resent communism for being anti-white and (in the West) the vehicle for jewish supremacist seizure of state apparatuses.
>>79841167
No. Peasants owed everything to their lords and had worse living conditions
>>79842591
Capitalism knows no nation. It will always seek to expand outward to drive costs down. The only capitalism can be considered nationalistic is fascism, which relies on military conquest. Again, expansion outward to drive costs down.
But discussing all of this is futile. Capitalism as we know it is doomed because of automation.
>>79842722
Capitalism works perfectly well without government, any reduction in the government intervention in the economy will make it almost certainly better.
>>79841859
Nice to know that website is garbage. I'll click elsewhere.
>>79842697
>t. Person who has never read Wealth of Nations
>>79837620
Because, on the whole, /pol/ is not mentally retarded.
>>79842556
>They are motivated by pressure from far leftists
Utter nonsense the number of those on the far left willing to use direct action against corporations within the United States is virtually null. Also you are linking those on the left as being supportive of immigration which again is a blanket statement. Corporations always profit from mass immigration
>Nope, that's a stupid cliche and you neither care nor know how corporations use the state to their advantage (which is why you vote for social democrats).
You haven't refuted my point also I don't vote for social democrats at all
>>79842722
>Only a fool would admit capitalism is good,
>- sent from my iPhone
>>79840703
your right
its real socialism :^)
>>79841912
>Not an argument the post
>>79843085
>Utter nonsense the number of those on the far left willing to use direct action against corporations within the United States is virtually null.
Incorrect, there is an enormous movement in the US to force corporations hire more non-whites. Corporations in the US either recieve support or resistance from the left depending on their stance on social issues. The Hobby Lobby is a christian corporation that refuses to finance the abortions of its female employees, and is therefore wildly hated by the left. Chicka-fil-a is against homosexual marriage and is therefore boycotted and lobbied against.
>Also you are linking those on the left as being supportive of immigration which again is a blanket statement
Bernie Sanders has dropped his stance against illegal immigration. The french socialist party told its voter to vote for the conservatives to prevent Front National from coming to power, because they are against mass non.white immigration to France. There are no leftists against immigration nor the dispossation of whites.
>You haven't refuted my point also I don't vote for social democrats at all
I assume your communist party is just an edgy social democrats party.
>>79843115
>Only a fool would admit Fedualism is good
>wrote on paper made by Fedualists
I can into strawman too
For the social democrats in this thread.
>>79842220
Can we use their logic?
Cause that would make things pretty easy.
But to indulge you: Politifact says that the factual information is correct, but the rhetoric that uses it is "false", but apparently using another form of rhetoric would make it "correct". It's pretty much self-refuting.
In essence, those are "mostly true" or "half true" according to the actual description. You simply cannot say that a statement has correct information, but is false.
>>79844073
He only did that in order to keep unions off his back.
>>79844282
True, but the unions were also threatening and killing the workers who didn't join the union (scabs).
>>79844073
The hate for unions over the MNCs is one of the best engineered societal trends I've ever seen.
>>79843839
Again your looking instead at the ideas of identity politics over those of economic regards Chicka-fil-a may indeed be boycotted against by those with socially lberal values but is this not a prime example of the kind of system in which capitalist love. The "freedom" to choose between which corporation in which you wish to buy from. In terms of the lobbying for non-whites this is a non issue when corporations wish to select immigrants as they are cheap labour in any regard. Business always chooses those who can work the longest hours for the lowest pay this is why they love 3rd world immigration.
> There are no leftists against immigration nor the dispossation of whites.
There most certainly was with the BNP but of course they where quickly regarded as racists by libertarians
>I assume your communist party is just an edgy social democrats party.
Again you haven't refuted my point
>>79844056
>guys porky isn't literally the same as le happy merchant i swear
commies are pathetic
>>79844590
capitalists*
>>79837620
Oligarchy masked as Capitalism/Democracy isn't Capitalism.
>>79844579
Big money gave us the comforts we have today. Unions are good, but I have capitalism to thank for my wealth.
>>79837989
Explain how a government worker selling private companies to foreign economies is capitalism.
>>79837620
Free enterprise and entrepreneurship is good.
Capitalism as it actually should be known as Usury/Economic Parasitism is bad.
Unfortunately the parasites have done well posing a false dichotomy between 'capitalists' and 'socialists'.
>>79844590
>Again your looking instead at the ideas of identity politics over those of economic regards Chicka-fil-a may indeed be boycotted against by those with socially lberal values but is this not a prime example of the kind of system in which capitalist love. The "freedom" to choose between which corporation in which you wish to buy from. In terms of the lobbying for non-whites this is a non issue when corporations wish to select immigrants as they are cheap labour in any regard. Business always chooses those who can work the longest hours for the lowest pay this is why they love 3rd world immigration
According to you capitalists love the social dynamics that gain them the most money and power, this wouldn't be it. Otherwise cultural marxism and other suck non-sense would not be funded at schools. A population of lazy hedonists is not the ideal society for production nor control, as such a population can't be controlled to produce great things. But, this style of reasoning shouldn't be taken seriously as it's a conspiracy-tard style of reasoning. It's a shame that this leftsist conspiracy style of reasonign has become mainstream. It's completely disconnected to anything.
>There most certainly was with the BNP but of course they where quickly regarded as racists by libertarians
So there was a right-wing party against non-white immigration. We remian with a anti-white left.
>Again you haven't refuted my point
You think there is a point to refute?
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/
>>79837620
it badly need communism as a counterbalance
and you know what?
fuck you!
>>79837989
> real capitalism has nevar been tried
>>79837620
When Leftypol admits a classless stateless society is an oxymoron.
>>79844638
desu if you triangulate the Jews from the right perspective and capitalists from the left perspective you find the cancer of the world >>79841041
>>79845916
What even is this? Shitty globalists use THE GOVERNMENT to funnel wealth to their Jewish masters.
If the government is facilitating, manipulating, and outright controlling it, then IT ISN'T CAPITALISM! It is in fact closer to socialism you dumb fucking faggot.
>>79842943
> Somalia
>>79837620
Capitalism is bad like getting head from your best friend's kinky little sister is bad.
In other words, it's like a dream come true and only a complete faggot would say no.
>>79846429
>It's not muh special snowflake version of capitalism therefore it is not capitalism
>>79837620
no 'free' system will ever work imo, people on top are always corruptible. people need to be lead with an iron fist because as we a know the vast majority just agree with the narrative, take a shit once a day, and try to get by.
people are meant to live in small tribes where everyone knows each other, everyone empathizes with each other, and everyone works together. This is especially unattainable in the current ''multicultural utopia'' of today.
socialism cannot work in our society which is currently focused on proving to everyone else that you're less privileged and oppressed.
i wish i knew the solution.. but i believe likely we need to gas the kikes and race war now
>>79846731
It would be more accurate to say that it isn't a free market mechanism, meaning a capitalist function.
Using state intervention as the definition of capitalism is retarded.
>>79845835
>George Soros funds and installs the people who train, fund and direct ISIS
>lol good work Soros for helping to defeat ISIS
It's pretty fucking adorable how Leftypol tries to pretend that "porky" isn't just the fucking kikes, and then tries to talk about geopolitics while missing basic facts.
ISIS isn't "Jihadism," it's a CIA mercenary band destabilizing Russian allies in the region. And the reason why people are afraid of Muslim immigration is that they are racially displacing whites in Europe.
You'd think that the people who just got their teeth smashed out in America by the ignorant minority vote (Bernie Sanders literally lost because of the diversity vote lol) would be a bit more awake to the fact that their kike overlords are trying to replace THEM so that they don't have to deal with ideological Leftists anymore. Nonwhites are not capable of grasping enlightenment concepts, that's why they never built fucking civilizations.
Please return to reality, Leftypol. "Porky" owns you. You are not crusaders against the establishment, you are a psyop funded by globalist hedge-fund managers to bring about a bland,, soulless divided slave race that the oligarchy can rule in peace.
>Capitalism
>Darwinism applied to economics
>Communism
>"hurr free shit (but only for the politcal elite, the peasants get the scraps ;))
>>79846649
Somalia used to be a one part Marxist-Lennist state. Which is the period everything got fucked up and fell to civil war. No it is in a state of conflicting goverments feuding over land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Democratic_Republic
People should read up on the Grapes of Wrath. Not the book itself, but about the event surrouding it. The movie created a backlash on the USSR because it made the US look so much better than the USSR
>>79842879
>and had worse living conditions
Because you can buy Chocolate and Iphones?
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html
Enjoy working 60-70 hour weeks for Mr. Shekelstein and the progress of (((Society))) that will gladly replace your whole kind for cheap laber from the 3rd world.
>>79841859
>bias.jpg
that can't be real
>>79837620
Never. But socialism turns to shit everything it touches.
>>79845567
I want capitalism within my own country. No more outsourcing labor or hiring illegals.
>>79841316
those are shitty sources in your infographic senpai
>>79843027
>apple products are an argument for capitalism
you're not helping your case
>>79845002
how can you expect to not get fucked in a deal if you're not starting from a strong bargaining position?
>>79845835
so, george soros is the power behind the house of saud?
>>79846731
No, it just literally isn't capitalism.
>Observe the number one
>You tell me the number one is 2 because [insert retarded bullshit here]
>I tell you that 2 objectively isn't one because the definition of one does not allow for 1 to be 2
>You then tell me that my special snowflake definition of one is wrong
Your an idiot. This objectively isn't capitalism. The government is 100% facilitating it. There is no free market here. At all. Capitalism requires a free market to be true capitalism. It is so clear cut that you cancerous weeabo degenerates need to erect the most obvious strawmen to argue against it. You are so fucking stupid that you can't comprehend one of the most basic ideologies despite it's practice of the centuries in western civilization. Jesus fucking Christ shoot me.
/leftypol/ are absolutely the dumbest people on the internet. By a wide margin. I'd sooner let both summer and reddit chill here than you.
>>79837620
>NAFTA
>capitalism
Epic
>>79840441
Epic meme XDDD
>every man is created equal
>i don't believe in god
can a commie explain this mindset
>>79849444
I mean, I'm shrewd and not a dumbass, so I'm not going to go into deals without my best interests in mind. I'm not a fucking lemming. If they break the terms of a deal,and I have it in writing, I get the courts involved.
>>79850158
>it is not capitalism it is corporatism
Found the Ancap
>>79837620
>socialism fails in the Soviet Union
>dindunit rite, thats fake socialism
>capitalism has a crisis
>REEE SEE I TOLD YALL THAT CAPITALISM IS DEAD REEE MUH SOCIALISM
And a reminder, a monkey said your logic is fucked up. You should feel bad.
>>79850270
It raises a good point that you aren't capable of discussing properly.
>>79837620
When you fuck off back to /leftypol/
>Why can't we work for $666 per hour?? Stop employing those mexicans or you are oppressing me :^)
>>79849583
Convergent interests, or another fancy name saguine conspiracy.
>>79850352
Never said that but keep shitposting from your capitalist nation there
Name one system that is proven to better considering most wealthiest nations are all capitalists. Checkmate
>>79850352
Not an argument. No joke intended.
And as if ancaps aren't every bit as intelligent as the smartest commie.
>>79850548
Get ready for some cancerous sophistry.
>>79837620
Never because why lie?
>>79841859
>Pants on fire monitor on fire
>"He is correct, he just didn't add enough information."
That's not what lying is, that's omission. The website fails on it's own premise.
Define capitalism
>>79840441
Holy fuck this is perfect.
>>79849217
Apple is the best example of success in a capitalist system. Their products aren't bad, anyone can use them, anyone will pay what ever Apple asks for it.
>>79837620
Because that's not capitalism.
That's globalism.
You can't do both.
>>79837620
Capitalism doesn't have to be good. It just needs to be better than any of the systems that came before it.
>>79837620
>NAFTA means oil in slavshit
ayyest lmao has been achieved
>>79850637
my body is ready
>>79841859
>he may be 100% right, but he's still wrong
Why do people think that capitalism is some sort of ideology practiced by the corrupt and the wicked, it's the basic human strife for more efficient resolve, thinking that you have a higher moral ground then someone else is just masking the true nature of the human condition.
You should all read the book Wealth of Nations. It is a pretty good book
>>79849217
people want toys , and companies that make the 'better' toys will get the larger percentage of the consumer base and subsequently move the economy ; capitalism (sort of)
>>79844590
>>79845567
Silly, a Norwegian and someone in the UK arguing over essentially American politics.
I think it's safe to say America not only has a science victory, but also a cultural victory. Next will be domination victory type, and then diplomatic victory.
God Bless America.
>>79840326
Underrated. Moderately reasonable /pol/acks get futurist art
>>79840326
It also makes countries extremely ghetto, Accelerates pollution (which eventually ends up on our shores thanks to these things called currents), and is remarkably slow at building fair working conditions and proper environments for the nation's citizens thanks to suppressed unions and other groups. All while switching the outsourcing nations to fragile service and consumer based economies that virtually live on degeneracy and jewery.
But hey, at least you get those cheap, probably toxic plastic toys from China with lead paint and made by some 5 year old in a sweatshop.
>>79850548
>Name one system that is proven to better considering most wealthiest nations are all capitalists. Checkmate
National Socialism. Don't fall for the Jew tricks of "capitalism" and the "free market", its a trick to enslave the goyim. Capitalism was created by Jews, wake up you cuck.
>>79850075
No, capitalism also requires the enforcement of private property. That requires an entity with a monopoly on force, i. e. a state.
>>79847433
Both countries were notorious for fucking eachother over and their ideologies over as well (or at least trying to).
However, the USSR was a nation who achieved a similar living standard to the United States in 1/3 of the time (roughly of course). Which alone discredits allot of the American propaganda portraying the USSR as some ghetto shithole of a nation. Life there (until the cucked Gorbachev fucked it all up) was actually pretty decent. While we did not have unnecessary (and often wasteful) excess you would see in Western markets, we certainty had enough to live pretty decent lives.
That and the nationalism really helped squash degeneracy.
t. a child of former USSR citizens in Ukraine.
>>79853172
nationalist-socialism always squashes their tricks. It worked in 1939 that's for sure.
>>79841548
That image macro runs on some pretty bold assertions.
>>79854160
Enter ancap. People can enforce their own property rights. Force is a commodity like bread or wine. Of course ancaps would explain to you how an equilibrium in the system is reached, but ultimately I am just trying to say you are wrong. You were right before you pulled the second sentence out of your ass.
Enter Stirner. You are all my property and if I am strong enough you can't tell me otherwise. Capitalism is a spook and so are laws and the state. This is the real redpill.
When are people going to realize there isn't one answer to every problem?
>>79854241
That simply isn't factually true. Bread lines and poverty WEREN'T memes.
>>79854608
Then you simply end up where the state is the collection of major private security forces, once again, beating the shit out of you at the behest of their masters. All ancaps propose is dividing up the state for sale to the highest bidders.
>>79854241
>t. a child of former USSR citizens in Ukraine.
So you probably got your house from some kułaks starved to death in Holodomor.
USSR was built on bones of millions, people sentenced to death because they had nice couch, or came from war with watch stolen in Germany and refused to share it with local urka. Built on bones mixed with soil in Belomorsk Canal. Built on bones from mass graves in Ukraine. Built on bones of Polish officers, scientists and nobles 'erased' in Katyń, built on bones of countless lives lost in GULags.
'Modernity' of USSR was bought with blood of innocent.
>>79837620
>Capitalism
>Government controlling trade
>>79854687
>factually isn't true
I love it when people add the word "factually", or "rationally" to their arguments to make them sound more official.
>they werent memes
In the 1930's and 1920's when modernization was beginning to take off and when the newly-formed USSR was cut off from the rest of the world with a brain drain and vastly underdeveloped landscape still containing groups that lived in the medieval times, sure bread lines and poverty were everywhere.
After world war 2, when the USSR lost almost 30% of its farmland, with just 3% of its population aged between 18 and 24 surrviving world war 2, and major industrial centers completely demolished, sure there were bread lines and poverty.
However, even when taking those into consideration, the USSR still managed to pull off a modernization campaign almost never seen in history (falling in line with Castro's modernization of Cuba and Mao's modernization of China).
Cont'd in part 2
>>79841862
That's the joke, they are mocking you lefties, but ofc this faggot had to ruin the fun >>79842697
>>79854687
the socialist economy of the USSR was an economy and nation with inferior living standards to the United States, and made less progress during its ~80 years of existence than the United States did in its ~275 years of existence.
For starters i recommend the following website (PLEASE DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME ITS BIASED OR "BOGUS" BY ITS TITLE OR LAYOUT, READ THE SOURCES AT THE BOTTOM THAT ARE LEGITIMATE):
https://gowans.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/seven-myths-about-the-ussr/
>>79855307
The same can be said of pretty much all societies. The USA was built on the bones of Indians, the sweat of the poor, the tears of the Blacks, and the blood of peoples from Cuba to Vietnam.
By the way, take a look at >>79853688
>>79837620
3 years into the trump presidency
>>79854687
part 3
I would also recommend looking at life expectancy stats for the 20th century, and watch how quickly said statistics skyrocket over the relatively short period of time for the USSR while slowly climbing for the United States. When looking from 1980 onward, you can tell how close the USSR was to the United states (do keep in mind that the USSR is not recognized as a full entity in this list, but rather the modern post-soviet nations are, so you would get a scope of the regional variation that existed as well for life expectancy). Such statistics are found here:
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN
Also, you should look at the percent urbanized (which is one of the largest indicators of development according to articles such as http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360544209003193), you would see in the following statistic:
http://www.umich.edu/~csfound/545/1997/iye/Image126.gif
That between 1920 and 1975, the Soviet Union went from a population that was 10% urbanized to 35% urbanized, while the united states according to the following statistic:
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/cph-2-1.pdf (please refer to table on page 50 of the PDF)
Reached a 35% urbanization rate in 1890, 100 years after the United States government census begun collecting data (which was 1790 btw) on urbanization. Both nations begun isolated and despised by foreign powers, both nations came from ruin and strife, and both nations started off as agrarian societies in the industrial era with people living in mud huts or wooden shacks and dying at 40. Infact, the "libertarian" United States (between the period of 1790 - 1890 which was the period of time that it took to reach the urbanization level the USSR reached between 1920 and 1975) was not faced with a major conflict and arms race with the threat of total genocide at hand (like the USSR did).
when iceland stops crushing the dreams of nations who have been /lifelong/ fans for years and doesn't lose to fucking france.
you do realise there's now no incentive to watch the euro, right?
>>79855307
Name me one decent, powerful, nation that was not build on "millions of dead people". War is just something we all benefited from and suffered from at the same time.
Also, the Holodomor was more complicated than your making it out to be. It was something along the lines of a protest via not farming the crops rather than the communist party starving Ukraine for fun.
Also, there were groups in the USSR that needed to be outright purged. Such as the Cossacks or Steppe tribes who loved causing havoc and wished to stick to their backwards culture of subsistence rather than progress to modern farmers and laborers.
>watch stolen in Germany
Kek, and did you ever see what collectables US solders returned from the war in Europe with?
The modernity payed with blood is the reason why the USSR and Slavic race for that matter did not get completely wiped out, but its nice of you to leave that fact out for your argument.
>>79855530
Its actually government loosening trade barriers between nations and letting markets do the rest of the work.
Hence why its called free trade.
>>79841859
<Transgender girls aren't boys
<has penis
>>79850492
>wanting a livable wage in the current year 2016
What a bunch of cucks, amirite guys?
>>79854959
Mhm. Someone will crack the whip.
However they rationalize it different. They believe that they will all fight amount themselves for a monopoly. They can't exactly start wars and kill people, because they need a consumer base and a work base. It isn't as simple as you think it is.
This is also why starless communism isn't a thing. Commies of everyone discussed here are the dumbest.
>>79854959
Also that picture is fucking funny.
Where there is freedom a state will rise, and freedom will die. Hence there is no lasting freedom.
Lenin was a dumb nigger and you proved it so.
>>79855748
I'd love to but I am going to bed. Food for thought though. You have piqued my curiosity.
>>79855787
Sure, they got their life expectancy up. A lot of people were essentially enslaved to do it and hundreds of thousands died. Life is worth ore than it's weight in gold over it's existence. If you throw it away like change you will go places.
>>79837620
not real capitalism
>>79856508
>War is just something we all benefited from and suffered from at the same time.
The point is that those millions of deaths in USSR weren't because of wars. Just some Red j00s went on binge genocide spree to keep low and middle class Ruskies in fear.
Holodomor was what we call in Poland 'rozkułaczanie', or to translate in into English, 'doing literally everything to ruin anyone who dares to be better farmer than govt appointed agrarians'. Reds did that in Russia, Ukraine, Poland and every other land they got hands on.
>Kek, and did you ever see what collectables US solders returned from the war in Europe with?
Kek, have you read my sentence to end? If commies sent anyone, who took spoils of war, to Siberia, they would run out of soldiers before getting to Riga. But hath you even thought about not giving lion's part of the loot to Political Officers, oh boy, you were up to getting into deep shit, son.
>The modernity payed with blood is the reason why the USSR and Slavic race for that matter did not get completely wiped out, but its nice of you to leave that fact out for your argument.
Czechs managed to get modern without bloody revolts or massive genocides, damn, they modernized so well that Gerrys had bet everything on one card to get those factories.
We, Poles, managed to pretty much get enough industrial power and ingenious engineers to create army that could hold Nazi legions longer than joint forces of UK and France.
Soviet 'improvements' were overpriced, overpaid, and underdone as fuck. Overpaid both in blood and resources. But nobody on top cared, they were too busy jewing each other out of business to care about their serfs.
Seriously, if Hitler wasn't a retard, Russia wouldn't stand a chance.
