http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=795858
/k/, I've come across this thread and have so many questions. OP stated Obama contributed more to the national debt than every other president combined, and the rest of the post defends Obama as the greatest to ever hold office, by doing things like lowering debt, leaving office in better shape than when he left it, was an economic hero etc.
On page 5 someone says Obama even deports more illegals than any other president. As you'll see in the thread, those posters even come out to try to discredit Obama's adding more national debt than every other president combined by providing links. They also try to debunk the Clinton Kill Lists and say it was all fake.
What do you think, was OP right or for the first time was a liberal right, and was Obama the best to ever hold office?
If so, I need to reload my debating ammunition
>>79795531
>economic hero
Not hard when you take office just after the biggest economic collapse since the 20's happened. He didn't have to lift his finger to have the biggest economic turn around of any president. It was always going to right itself.
>lowering debt
I don't know where this comes from, the debt's at $19 trillion now and was $10 trillion in 2008.
>deports more illegals than any other president
Probably because there are more illegals to deport because of shit border control.
>>79796053
>The deficit is calculated by subtracting expenses from revenue. The federal revenue normally increases every year, but it dropped slightly in FY 2008 and dropped drastically in FY 2009 because of the recession. Federal revenue didn't surpass FY 2007 levels until FY 2013
http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/federal_revenue_chart
This was provided on the debt issue
>Under Obama, the actual number of illegal immigrants has been going down
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/16/the-numbers-ted-cruz-cited-on-past-deportations-during-the-cnn-debate-were-way-off/
These were posted for the immigration issue. Any thoughts? Correct or incorrect?
>>79796387
>>Under Obama, the actual number of illegal immigrants has been going down
Because he gives them automatic green cards
>While executive actions on immigration have a long history, Obama’s recent action was the most significant protection from deportation offered to unauthorized immigrants since 1986, when Congress passed a law that allowed 2.7 million unauthorized immigrants to obtain a green card.
>>79796775
Awesome, that's just what I've been looking for.
Do you have any thoughts on the Clinton Kill List, and Snopes supposed debunking? Real or fake? http://www.snopes.com/Politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
>>79796920
The simplest response is
>Snopes
Seriously, they're about as accurate as the weekly world news.
>>79797679
My thoughts exactly, I saw some links in the original thread from WaPo and HuffPo and felt the same way. Brietbart is where I get all of my news from, I just wish it was easier to find more like minded people on message boards. I think /pol/ is as close as I'll get to finding other non politically correct DGAF conservatives. Thanks for the info. Feel free to check out the original link on sraightdope, found in the first post, and see what other BS they are saying
>>79795531
Hes been a great president, unless you're a conservative/republican
>>79798477
I understand that opinion, I created this thread to get unbiased FACTS supporting either side. Care to provide any? I am looking to see if there is anything I might have missed
>>79798392
>Brietbart is where I get all of my news from
Don't. It's clickbait tailored to appeal to people on the right.
>>79799595
Where would you recommend a trustable news source that leans towards things like defending the 2nd amendment, etc?
He caused Elliot Rodger's rampage, he is not to be trusted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONE2913VP1g
>>79800165
Francis E Dec esquire was good while he was still alive.
