This thread is for followers of Jesus Christ here to discuss faith and the gospel among themselves, and what we can do as Christians to help shift western politics and culture towards sustainable values.
This is not a thread to debate atheists, or argue the heresy/legitimacy of various Christain churches.
/pol/ is a powerful place with strong cultural influence, but also a place full of Judgement. I urge /pol/ users who consider themselves Christian to consider Jesus teachings on judging others before shitposting. Through Christian morals and values, everything /pol/ stands for and wishes for the world can be achieved. By coming together and making these threads regularly we can shift the negativity of this place and truly turn it into the "path of light"
>>79757480
Fuck off, >>>/x/ is over there.
>>79757480
Bump, my brother in Christ. I am really worried our fellow Christians (in the real world) do not recognise the gravity of the situation in which we are in
This is a time when we should fight for the restoration of our terminally ill faith, and of our terminally ill countries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oN43zXbnMc
>>79757480
Any idea on how to inspire our peoples to have faith in objective truths again?
fucking death cult. you invite africans into your lands and give them your lives and everything you own because "life is a trial and not eternal". you are one of the reasons why things are turning to shit
>>79757480
Happy 4th of July my American Orthodox brothers and sisters. American Patriarchate when???
>>79758376
#notallChristians
See how the Orthodox behave
Posting American saints, God bless the USA.
>>79758104
What the fuck did I just watch?
>>79758376
No, that's the result of "Judeo-Christianity" which is an invention pulled out of someone's ass in the last 100 years. Real Christianity was never about letting the outside world destroy yours. This hijacked version of it, is.
>>79758368
1. Pray for the world and the people of the world to be guided by Christ.
2. Don't be afraid to speak about Christ to others, yet avoid the off-putting mistakes of overzealous fire and brimstone zealous preachers have made in the past.
3. Be a living example of Christs teachings in the world, which makes subtle ripples of grace to nourish the world.
4. Wear a cross to remind people there are still Christians in the world.
I got a really pretty niv bible for my birthday
what do you guys think of that translation?
>>79759293
The state of Christianity in the West
>see the description of the video
>>79759450
Not my favorite but its okay. You may get shit from the KJV only heretics but don't listen to them.
>>79759393
You got it mate. Cheers for the advice
>>79759744
Why did they demolish it?
>>79759800
>You may get shit from the KJV only heretics but don't listen to them.
the kjv is fine, even for catholics
obviosly the Douay–Rheims trumps everything else, but that goes without saying
>>79759934
Because the Jewish goal is the destruction of Christianity in the Western world.
As long as you're true to Christ and spread the word however, a building is just a building. It's going to be like the old days, the faithful being driven underground.
>>79760236
I'm more of a NJKV guy. The KJV is fine but the KJV only people like Pastor Anderson are retarded heretics.
>>79759934
>the deputy-mayor of that town (falsely?) claimed it cost 10 million euros to fix it
Apparently the people didn't bother that much to check the figure and thought it was not worth it so..
http://www.thearttribune.com/Threat-of-demolition-for-the.html
>>79759393
i know that Christianity is just a meme for 99% of the people on here, but honestly
if you'd have told me 5 years ago even just a handful of young men in the west would actively choose to become followers
i would have not believed you. but things work
in such strange ways........
Is there a more redpilled chapter than Deuteronomy 28?
>>79760446
i know the kjv has the deuterocanonical books.
i wonder if proddie bibles dont even that in them?
>>79757480
jesus isnt real bud
>stoner jew turned water into wine, walked on water, rose from the dead
worst story ever
>>79761278
have faith buddy
>>79760530
I honestly have a feeling that a Christian revival is coming. The west has been a pioneer in all ways, including experimenting with never before accepted social and sexual freedoms. But slowly people are seeing the fruits of this culture detest its rotten taste. The shallow values of the modern day have no roots. But the tree of Christiandom has been planted in the Earth for two thousand years, and the teachings of Christ guided the West through two world wars and countless personal struggles.
I predict the sons and daughters of the west will soon become tired of worshipping their own vanity, pleasure, and comfort, and remember the wisdom of their grandparents.
>>79761112
Most of them don't, or if they do they will call them the Apocryphal books.
I havent been a Christian for too terrible long, but I am very faithful. Im just trying to root the big sins out of my life. The other day I broke my two week long no fap/sex/porn streak, which was the longest streak id made since ive started fapping.
Please pray for me or give me advice..I feel so bad..my soul hurts even it feels. Im such an idiot.
>>79761467
Amen. It's either Christ or an eternal and utter annihilation of the soul
>>79761577
Remember the sorrow you feel right now every time you want to have another go on the old Johnny
>>79761467
My priest says there is going to be a rise in Orthodoxy because of all the martyrs in the ME the Church is getting, so we will have more saints praying for us.
>>79761577
just recognizing that mastutbation is a sin puts you in a position to work towards grace. there was a time in my life when i thought it was normal. i thought it was my "right"just like women who slaughter their children in their womb think it's their "right". making you not know you are sinning is one of the devil's cruelest tools
>>79762209
I've recently developed a really strong interest in Orthodoxy,Icons, Liturgy etc. recently out of nowhere. I've tried to ignore it because I've had mental health problems before and sometimes I really have to question if what I believe is real but this feels different so I don't know.
>>79760446
what's up with him? he acts like he doesn't know who jesus is lol
>>79762537
"to work towards **receiving** grace" i meant to write
>>79761577
I feel an important part of breaking bad habits and overcoming things lies in forgiveness. Human beings are imperfect and we all sin.
Making a mistake is one thing. Hating yourself for your mistake is a second sin. I feel like the Christian idea of repentance means that we have come to peace with our imperfect human nature.
We make choices that we know are bad for us out of guilt and a lack of self love. Understand that God/Jesus loves us no matter what we do, and with that knowledge we can love ourselves unconditionally. When we love ourselves, making a decision that hurts us makes zero sense.
>>79762544
t. Your average follower of organized religions
Etimology.
Diablo (diabolos) allegedly means slanderer, even tough if you look for this etimology the explanation isn't satisfactory, the result is rather silly and meaningless.
Dia is related to dies (dies irae anyone? yes, it means god).
Bolos however, doesn't make sense if it means what it allegedly means, we are left with a very stupid word sum.
Deacon, comes from diakonos, which means servant of god.
So konos is servant, and diakonos servant of god.
Bolos... is interesting, because I've gotten a few hints (untrustworthy) that suggest it means to desdcend from.
Funny enough, we all know what lucifer and luzbel means.
Also if you look for the word "lord" it means baal, which I guess doesn't need any presentation? as the full name would be ba'alzevuv.
>>79762742
t. Your average swede
>>79762678
>Hating yourself for your mistake is a second sin
this is what Judas did. dont end up like him, hanging from a rope b/c you didnt think yourself worthy of forgiveness
>>79757480
why does mother Mary look like a slut in this pic? is this some kind of subtle kekkery of Christians?
>>79761577
first you need to understand why it's a grave sin. it is because sex is literally for marriage and procreation, for what other reasons could ejaculation exist? thus masturbation and all other non-procreative acts are against the fundamental nature of our sexuality. you're depriving yourself of true love and replacing it with a self-centered simulacrum, you're divorcing pleasure from a human drive that isn't solely about pleasure, but which orients towards something much greater than that and ultimately for your own benefit. therefore cut it out, by managing your thought life most of all.
>>79763238
>fully clothed with a hood.
Just because she looks young and beautiful you think she appears slutty? Or is it because her hair is in front of one of her eyes?
>>79762544
Stop trying to ignore it anon. Orthodoxy is the most comfy faith. Might even help you with your mental problems, they might just be spiritual problems. The Orthodox Church is a hospital for sinners and our God is a merciful and loving God.
>>79757480
Can't you retards go to a church to jerk each other off instead of wanking it on /pol?
>>79761577
Any fellow Anglicans (Episcopalian) here?
>>79757480
>This thread is for followers of Jesus Christ here to discuss faith and the gospel among themselves, and what we can do as Christians to help shift western politics and culture towards sustainable values.
>
>This is not a thread to debate atheists, or argue the heresy/legitimacy of various Christain churches.
>
>/pol/ is a powerful place with strong cultural influence, but also a place full of Judgement. I urge /pol/ users who consider themselves Christian to consider Jesus teachings on judging others before shitposting. Through Christian morals and values, everything /pol/ stands for and wishes for the world can be achieved. By coming together and making these threads regularly we can shift the negativity of this place and truly turn it into the "path of light"
orthodox reporting in. I started holding the fasts of Wednesday and Saturday's and feel better. When I was reading St. Luke's gospel I felt a much more heightened bond to the scriptures.
>>79763909
ITT: Ba'alzevuv worship.
>>79757480
>>79758513
Based Nathanael.
This fucker is ready for the war against the jewish vampires.
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>>79763909
Thanks all for the wonderful responses.
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>>79763783
Not even theist. Orthodoxy is based and ought to be what god-fags strive for. Utterly based, as far as religions go.
ITT: BA'ALZEVUV WORSHIP
And just as Isaiah foretold, "UNLESS THE LORD OF SABAOTH HAD LEFT TO US A POSTERITY, WE WOULD HAVE BECOME LIKE SODOM, AND WOULD HAVE RESEMBLED GOMORRAH."
---->Baal (meaning lord) Sebaoth is another of Ba'alzevuv's titles
Cripplechan's /christian/ board is a nice sfw place to discuss christianity where you won't get spammed with porn
>>79764615
You know you want it
>>79764911
Satan fuck off
>>79764911
Sure is interesting living in the age of decadence
Instead of worshipping god, the people worship asses
>>79764811
Just as Jesus went and spent time with sinful people, it is crucial to discuss Christ here to spread the light to darker places. Many people here are against degeneracy, and I feel Christian General is an important thread to maintain here as an offering of a path to lead ourselves and the West out of the abyss we have created.
Nobody is more ripe to receive the love of Christ than a sinner who is fed up with the results of their poor decisions.
>>79765419
Can I still get saved if i've renounced the holy spirit?
>>79765419
Good point anon, hadn't thought about it like that
>>79765582
Yes. Jesus can forgive anything. I know which verse you're talking about. It's been misinterpreted. Read the surrounding context.
>>79765582
>Can I still get saved if i've renounced the holy spirit?
no
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>>79764911
Pay no attention to the people who will forever disrupt these threads. They do us a service by bumping it. Simply continue the conversation as if they are not here. If they post nudity they risk being banned.
Also be glad they are here because something inside them makes them want to read this thread. Do not insult them, but be welcoming and many will join us.
How do I pray to the Saints?
By the way, I am an Anglican.
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>>79765582
Yes. Jesus forgave even the people who nailed him to the cross "Forgive them father, they know not what they do." I think nailing him to a cross is a bit worse than simply saying words of renunciation with your lips.
Countless kids (myself included) go through an edgy atheist phase and say all kinds of nasty stuff about god, jesus, and religion. God does not condemn them for it.
How can someone come back from the dead?
>>79766109
>God does not condemn those who reject them
What?
>>79761577
Yet I have to fap to keep myself from getting a boner on my way to work. The vibration from the road give me a raging boner everytime in the morning.
I'm actually can't wait to get old so I can't get a boner therefor no reason to fap.
When are we going to throw protestants into the ovens already?
>>79766207
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2011
John 11
>>79766109
i know what youre saying, but he has to renounce his renouncing to be saved. if he were to die now renouncing the holy spirit then that's it. hell for eternity
>>79766264
You Christians are so deprived even that will give you a boner.
>>79766391
That's not scientific evidence.
>>79766362
Our job as Christians is to be a Christ-like as possible. Forgive them, they know not what they do. Even if they are splitting apart a long standing church.
Side note: It is best not to scrap with other denominations while non-believers are present. It gives them a bad idea of the faith when they see the believers fighting among each other.
Please pray for my bro, he's under immense mental and spiritual distress. He's in a very bad and dangerous way right now. If you could pray that he doesn't have a complete breakdown and finds peace I'd appreciate it.
>>79766419
>hell for eternity
Never believed in that, and nothing about the forgiveness and compassion of Jesus suggests that. Jesus taught that there is value and growth to be found in suffering. If there be post mortem hell, its purpose is the purify the soul and prepare them for eventual reunion with God.
Ideas about the end times and the return of Jesus seem to suggest a day when all people in hell are freed. I remember learning somewhere that when Jesus was crucified and descended into hell he freed some people and brought them out with him.
Infinite punishment for finite crime makes no sense.
And yes, I agree with you it is beneficial to renounce his renouncing. I assumed that was what he was saying he did, but was worried it didn't count.
Do Christians usually care about the OT? Is it actually relevant after Christ did his stuff or is it just Jewish lore?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiemtHphY3w
Here is an Orthodox Western Rite hymn (notice the icons are Western Rite, including the carved one): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI92g8JWwn8
Here is a reading list for those interested in Orthodox, along with FAQ to objections from atheists...Catholics...Protestants...Jews...liberals...Muslims: http://pastebin.com/bN1ujq2x
>>79766555
Jesus is a copy of the Mithra myths to begin with so you won't get any scientific evidence about the resurrection of a man that never existed. You'll just get the scriptures of books written 600 after his supposed life.
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>>79762644
fffffuuuuuuuUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK YOU CHRISTFAGS
IM GOING TO TURN THIS PLACE INTO THE PATH OF MY COCK STRAIT INTO YOUR DADDYS ASS HOLE!
>>79766419
Do you think so? If a kid renounces his parents it's not like he's truly cut off from them.
>>79767072
He probably existed. But he didn't come back from the dead.
>>79761467
>I honestly have a feeling that a Christian revival is coming.
I wholeheartedly agree that Christianity will see a new revival in the upcoming years.
I personally rediscovered my faith after going on a pilgrimage with my family. It's surprising how my viewpoint of the world and of myself has changed drastically. My heart feels lighter and more in-tune, I guess would be the word.
I think it comes from the results of the past decade. We're now sowing the fruits of praising equality, social justice, feminism, and atheism on our societies, where people are silently afraid and hate one another for saying the littlest things. It all boiled down to "me, me, me. It's about my feelings, not yours!" A selfish attitude proved to be deadly to everyone's happiness. It sparked an empty loneliness that people just accept because the world seems to big to change anything.
It's terrible, and you can tell everyone's gotten more miserable because of it. But the church is still here. Christ is still here, and I have never been more confident in reaffirming my faith.
And it's not because I want to be some God-warrior crusader to impose strict rules on making society perfect. I just want to make the world better when I leave it than when I came into it.
I want people to see light in the darkness and realize that we can all come together through faith in each other, faith in God, and faith with ourselves.
This is the lesson I take away from everything related to social justice/feminism.
You cannot fight hatred with hatred. Only love defeats hate. Love your fellow man, and don't be afraid to tell him he's doing something that harms him. That's what the Father does, and that's what we all ought to do.
>>79766109
Unforgivable sin is unforgiveable.
He hates you for eternitu now and you will burn with no remorse.
My family isnt religious at all. My dad is a civil engineer and my mom is a teacher. I recently converted to christianity thanks to 4chan because i believe we're in a holy war with the world. I live in utah and its filled with infidel mormons. I've been trying to get my parents to see the passion i have for christ but they believe that religion has no place in our house because we must think logically and not be brainwashed by myths of the past. I tell my dad if they're just myths how do you explain jesus or the bible? Zeus was a myth because he didnt exist. The bible and Jesus exists however. How can I explain Christianity, the bible and god in a logical way and get them to see the light of God?
>>79767010
There's a lot more to the OT than dietary restrictions and temple laws.
Kike on a stick!
>>79767146
In the time it took you to click all those post numbers you could have prayed the whole rosary.
If you don't believe in Jesus you don't have to click on this thread.
>>79767010
I believe it is relevant. Jesus quoted from it.
>>79766060
"Hey, I need help with this, I'm gonna pray to God about it, will you pray with me?"
Just put it in better words than that.
>>79766656
But I don't see protestants as Christian at all.
>>79767691
Have to question if Jesus quoted anything from the old testament, he was written into the myth later.
>>79757480
well said brother
>>79767146
anyone think this guy is genuinely possessed?
shitposting demon or just a shitposter?
in a lot of the exorcism videos i've seen, the person being exorcised says stuff like this.
>>79766960
Jesus spoke most about hell. it is real
what happened to the two thieves crucified next to Jesus? one was saved. the other not
Christ said it would be better to cut off your own hand than have it sin and take the body go to hell. he wasnt syaing that just to be edgy. he meant it
>>79767161
i didnt say he was cut off forever
but if you die unrepentant, that's it. this life is the only one you get to get yourself to heaven. the Church teaches nothing less
>>79759209
hell yes
>>79762678
But anon I'm a worthless turd not fit for a dung beetle.
>>79768388
Regardless, we should still pray for him.
I ask of my Christian brothers and sisters, regardless of denomination to pray for the non-believers. May the see the light of God and turn to him, for they are in need.
May I suggest "John 17:1-26."
Jesus prayed to his father with these words, hoping that the non-believers would seek repentance through him.
>>79769109
You are a child of the most high God.
>>79759209
I literally prayed for this last night, for American Saints! I'm from Alaska myself and was wondering if Alaska had anything like this!
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>>79769519
This is now my new favorite image in my 4chan folder. Have my previous favorite.
A desert father
>>79770081
what's this werewolf saint's story?
Arise, arise, arise, sons and daughters of the West.
Why do you wander the garden tasting every fruit that pleases you? You seek to create Eden again on the Earth, by doing that which brought the fall. You accept and discard morals for your life as easily as you pluck an apple from a tree. You eat what is sweet, and discard all truths that are bitter. Endlessly you hunger, picking mushrooms and durian, biting them once before casting them away. The worms of contradiction feed on them. These foods have little nourishment, and you continue to taste more in hopes of finding an enchanted concept which will remove the sorrow and challenge from your lives.
You have no guides but yourselves, and who you choose to trust as a teacher. Rare is it that you meet others in the garden. Your goal is the same, but all the children’s paths are different. The Few that you do meet in the garden do not agree on what food is best. When seekers do eat together in communion, they revel and throw all fruits into a great bowl to ferment. Around it you dance and become drunk on that self-deceiving spirit.
A spirit that says “Deny yourself nothing. All that feels good, is good. Abandon strife; the road to Heaven is easy if you love yourself enough to believe it.”
While this party lasts, you are at peace and deeply in love with God and creation. Yet in the morning you are sick to your stomach, and hunger for the chance to howl at the next full moon.
>>79770168
You smash fruit to create colorful dyes for your clothing, and reduce the juice of your experiences to make art. The art, much like the experience, is beautiful. Yet like the experience, the value in the art may not endure the test of time. Deep down you know this, for you carry your greatest works into the desert to burn. You cherish this home while it lasts, and do little to establish a family and home for yourself in society—which you judge.
Verily, you know that you are children of God. But it is as if the child believes they have the wisdom of the father. And so the child makes the rules, and runs the house, and the world is in disorder.
Children of the West, cease your wandering. Far back where your journey on this Earth began, there is a well. The water there flows from the heart of God. This well was built by your ancestors. Stop eating weeds from foreign lands that blew into your minds on the wind. They take years for their roots to reach the water already found within the well. End your frantic search of the horizon, ever worshipping only that which is new. Lower your head, as you lower the bucket, and drink. Be still. Let the cool waters wash over your head, and rest.
When you wake you will find a sheep beside you, offering itself to eat. Work diligently to build a fire of faith to cook upon. Gather your lost brothers and sisters together and eat Lamb. Thereafter, you will know true nourishment.
>>79770165
He's the patron saint of travelers
http://www.orthodoxartsjournal.org/the-icon-of-st-christopher/
This is what I could find about it. The dogs head
has to do with dealing with forgien land and people
>>79770165
It's noncanonical silliness.
That's a dog's head, by the way, not a wolf's head.
It's just a myth guys.
>>79759209
SAINT WORSHIP IS DEMONIC
Nowhere in the Christian religion do they worship saints. You are misled by roman catholicism as I was. Saint worship is the same as worshiping multiple gods. My grandmother and family members, including my mother have idols of saints in their homes and even outside in their gardens.
Back in the day they prayed to the god of growing shit, the god of safe travel etc...., it's just easier to accept because we were force taught it. The only difference was the word saint was substituted. Roman catholicism is the babylonian mysteries
>>79770861
Dude...it's a myth.
>>79770861
>oh god I can't stop sucking my preacher's cock
kill yourself. degenerates like you belong in the oven.
>>79767432
You have to grow in Christ, so they can begin to know Christ who lives in you. You have to "die" so Christ can born in your life. He's the one that converted you, not 4chan. He'll convert your parents, not you.
>>79771345
>You have to grow in Christ,
Whoa now buddy, that was a bit too far. Keep that to yourself.
>>79770861
Orthodox also respects the Saints.
We do not pray to the Saints, we ask them to pray on our behalf.
>>79771345
Basically deny your inner jew
>>79770914
I'll believe you when you give me the evidence.
>>79770861
Moses worshiped his father-in-law in the Bible
Exodus 18:7
The word used here in Hebrew means "worship"
This is also done with kings throughout the new testament.
The idea that there should be a term for worship that is only for God came from catholic Christianity, specifically to distinguish him from saints and others. Hebrews didn't make such a distinction verbally, because they knew it intuitively.
tl;dr you can thank the veneration of saints for the idea that there should be a special term (latria, which worship is used to mean in contemporary English) for the respect paid to God as distinct from respect regularly paid to a superior.
>>79767432
>I live in utah and its filled with infidel mormons.
Mormons are strange, but I have a great respect for their ability to live chaste drug free lives and create large families. God/Jesus love the family. We are in the midst of a holy war with the world, and now is not the time to cast any animosity to other types of Christians. I don't believe that whatever small differences we have are more important than the larger war.
Mormons are 1000 times better at having strong communities and families than most other Christians in America today.
>>79771544
Yes. But that alone is too negative. It's important to contemplate Christ, to consider Him your reason to live... It's hard, because we tend to be egocentric, it's in our own nature. It's impossible, in fact, if not for him, for his Grace.
>>79771824
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mythology
Done.
>>79772007
Deny the inner jew means good emotions.
How is denying it not a happy experience?
Why is Christianity anymore valid than any other religion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrcQAYS9JtY
>>79766960
Sin is not a finite crime.
>>79771976
>mormons
>Christian
pick one and only one
>We dare not be complacent about confused and erroneous thinking about God, in ourselves or in others. If anybody’s thoughts about God are sufficiently confused and erroneous, then he will fail to be thinking about the true and living God at all; and just because God alone can draw the line, none of us is in a position to say that a given error is not serious enough to be harmful.
>>79772084
An article full of unargued assertions. Nothing more.
>>79771824
Literally as sound as any other mythology.
Also
>removed stories
>things turning noncanonical every time history says it couldn't have happened or it doesn't fit the popes agenda
>majority of the stories taken from zoroastrian and mesopotamian myths
>>79772591
an article full of well established peer reviewed sources is not unargued assertions.
Classic denial.
>>79772186
Sorry, I should have said "passive", as oposed to the active contemplation of Christ. Of course, mortification (literally "death-fication") is necessary and that usually feels bad. Without Christ all this is useless and un-achievable voluntarism in my opinion. At the end, is Christ, not you, who will kill your inner jew. It's just a quick thought not meant to contradict you.
>>79772201
Might help explain the thought process behind it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5qJPZySo7A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWY-6xBA0Pk
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2 corinthians 3:7
Remember pol
>>79772201
because of the resurrection:
http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/resurrection-evidence.htm
>that video
even aside from its ridiculous strawmanning and misunderstandings, i hope you see the incoherence in applying objective moral standards against the source of all objective moral standards, on a backdrop of an utter lack of such standards (i.e. evolutionary materialist presuppositions).
>>79773124
>because of the resurrection:
People do not come back to life after they have died.
>>79773243
Exactly.
>>79773124
This largely ignores that the Bible's new testament is dated to 600AD and that christianity took hold easier in places Jesus was either barely in or never in.
>>79773243
most people, but God surely can cause such things to happen. and if you follow the logic and evidence of the early church and its spread, the resurrection surely happened.
>>79772842
What is this fucking Bhuddism, live by faith. Killing the inner jew i s the best god damn feeling in the world. It's ecstasy, materialism and deceit bring misery! But believing in God and loving each other is full of joy and peace
>>79773414
>evidence
What actual evidence is there? I only ever see Bible quotes as though a book can cite itself for authenticity.
>>79773414
Jesus was not god, he was physical and therefore falls under a naturalist view. People do not come back to life, the resurrection is a christian myth, don't confuse myth with reality.
The rest of your (logic) is completely irrelevant and uses improper deduction.
I have a huge version of this pic, but this is all I can upload faggots
>>79759450
my personal fave tbbh
I like it as an easier read
>>79772974
>>79773546
This.
According to the Quran he never even died. He was wisked away before he was speared in the side and survived.
>>79773541
>>79773546
the new testament's documents qualify as sound historical sources:
>The earliest available Christian texts are the letters of the apostle Paul. Scholars date his epistles from approximately 50 to 60 C.E. Therefore, many individuals think that there is at least a twenty year gap between the death of Christ and the earliest Christian writings. However, most do not realize that the epistles of Paul contain creedal summaries of early Christian beliefs which possibly date as early as 35-40 C.E.1 The general nature of these creeds includes the death and resurrection of Christ.
http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth21.html
https://carm.org/analysis-pre-pauline-creed-1-corinthians-151-11
>>79773604
AMEN
I have no idea what's going on here in this pic but it's fun to look at.
>>79773341
>the Bible's new testament is dated to 600AD
nah
I haven't found a church I am comfortable with yet
How do I preach? When I watch Evangelists on YouTube, they always seem like scholars with an answer to everything
And the golden question of our era
Does this thread and online discussion count as preaching? The difference between street preaching and talking about Jesus on the chan is the anonymity
This one is a painting of Jesus among the teachers in the beginning of Luke (pretty sure)
>>79773773
>the new testament's documents qualify as sound historical sources:
This is a meme, not the reality. the Bible is used because it's one of the few indicators available, if historians had something better that was filled with less bias they would jump ship in .0001 seconds. That being said, the bible and its figures are just as dubious as most bias historical accounts are.
Historians rely on Bayesian analysis and archaeological evidence more than just words. I really doubt you understand what I'm talking about because you actually said the Bible is an accurate retelling of events, it most certainly is not and has been modified many times, this is documented.
>>79773773
The bible isn't considered a historical document. It's deemed unacceptable as there is no archeological evidence to support any of the stories.
In fact, the only document of Jesus being executed is an engraving in a THEATER HOUSE.
>>79757480
>argue with Christians about their false god
>it said atheist are welcome but keep it civil
>christfag are the ones spouting memes and disrespect
>mrw
>mrw debate on their religion is no longer allowed.
>>79773686
That's St. Hierotheos of Athens btw
Also this pic identifies the issue with our society. Every single test of Satan's the Jews fail. EVERY ONE.
>>79773900
tearing down idols by the looks of it
>>79773946
Are...you retarded? This just proves the bible is not an eyewitness account. 100+ years after the supposed existence of Jesus Christ is when the gospel was written. You want to know why this is? The bible has been editted mutilple times. To where it is inaccurate of the events th at actually happened. They are just making it up. There is no archaelogical record of Jesus Christ, nor is there any diarys or journals of descriptions of his miracles. Stop being so delusional. Diaries are primary sources, and there are none that describe Christ's doings.
i think this is worth sharing. three common misconceptions about God:
>1. Metaphysical arbitrariness: Some atheists suppose that belief in God is essentially belief in a kind of “magical” being, where magic is a kind of pseudo-explanation and indeed something inherently unintelligible. Or they suppose that the existence of God would be a kind of unintelligible “brute fact” that is certainly no more plausible that the existence of the universe as a brute fact, and indeed less plausible than the latter alternative given Ockham’s razor. But all of this is precisely what the classical theist denies. Classical theism maintains that there are no ultimate “brute facts,” that reality is in itself intelligible through and through. And its reasons for saying so are grounded in sophisticated metaphysics, not crude appeals to magic. (I have addressed these matters at length here and here.)
>Hence, when classical theists say that God does not have a cause, that is not because He is an arbitrary exception to a general rule. Other things require causes because they have potentials that require actualization, or parts (whether material or metaphysical) that need to be combined, or have an essence or nature that is distinct from their existence and thus needs to be conjoined to it. But God is pure actuality and devoid of potentiality, and thus cannot in principle be actualized by anything else; He is absolutely simple and thus does not have parts which need to be combined; and He is Subsistent Being Itself and thus cannot have being or existence imparted to Him. This makes God not less intelligible than things that require a cause but more intelligible. (I have said much more about this in various posts on classical theism and the cosmological argument.)
>>79774346
Glorious St. Wolfwood
Protector of children.
Vasily Polenov
>>79774374
cool thanks
One story about a desert father. had a beard all the way down tohis knees. Wore only som old roman armor. Up in northern africa. Went around screaming and tearing down idols to every single town. His life threatened all the time but he didn't give a fuck.
>>79774569
> By contrast, whatever is not metaphysically simple, or pure actuality, or subsistent being itself, would -- however otherwise impressive in its strength, knowledge, or moral qualities -- be less than ultimate and would thus require an explanation outside itself. This would apply to all the gods of the various heathen pantheons, who typically have material and temporal limitations of various sorts. It would also apply to any view about the God of the Bible that would deny that He is metaphysically simple, purely actual, etc. These views implicitly make of Him a brute fact and something that differs from created things only in not happening to have a cause of His own. They essentially reduce Him to a glorified Zeus or Odin.
>>79774600
YESS
>>79774620
>2. Moral arbitrariness: Many atheists suppose that to attribute goodness to God is to say that He is a moral agent like us, only much better behaved. Or they suppose that God’s status as a moral lawgiver must involve the issuance of arbitrary commands backed by threats, and that to avoid this result would require acknowledging that there is a moral standard independent of Him and to which even He must answer. And they might wonder in light of all this exactly why God’s demands on us are ones we should be expected to follow. Does it really boil down to His having the ability to threaten us with damnation? What does that have to do with morality per se (as opposed to self-interested calculation)? But all of this rests on a trivialization of the notion of divine goodness. For the classical theist God does not merely “have” goodness, as we do but to a higher degree. He just is Goodness Itself, that by reference to which other things are good or bad to whatever degree they are. To say:
>God’s demands on us are arbitrary; or if not, then He must be appealing to some standard outside Himself.
>is thus like saying:
>Euclidean triangularity as such makes arbitrary demands of particular Euclidean triangles when it requires of them that they have straight sides and angles that add up to 180 degrees; or if not, then Euclidean triangularity as such must be appealing to some standard outside itself.
>>79774721
>It is, in other words, a category mistake, a basic failure to understand the nature of the reality in question -- or purported reality, for whether one actually believes in either Euclidean geometry or classical theism is beside the point. (I have addressed these issues at greater length here and here.)
>Damnation, in turn, is ultimately a matter of one’s character having become permanently corrupted so that one is, as it were, forever incapable of even wanting to be near that which just is Goodness Itself. One’s will has become fixed on evil and thus cannot be in the divine presence. It is a matter of metaphysical necessity rather than arbitrary divine whim. (As General Honoré might put it, the damned soul is one that has become metaphysically “stuck on stupid.”)
>By contrast, whatever is less than Goodness Itself is something that would be subject to a standard external to him, and would be something about which we could intelligibly ask why we should respect its demands. Now all the gods of the heathen pantheons are like this (which is precisely why they are described as having various moral virtues or vices to varying degrees). And views of the God of the Bible that would interpret Him merely as a particularly admirable moral agent would also make it intelligible to ask why we should obey His commands and whether He must be subject to a standard external to Him. Again, they essentially make of God a glorified Zeus or Odin.
>>79774772
>3. Epistemological arbitrariness: Atheists often suppose that to hold that God is the ultimate cause of things is to assert a lame “god of the gaps” hypothesis subject to overthrow by future scientific discoveries. Or they think that it is, even worse, a sheer appeal to faith understood as the will to believe without evidence. Understandably, they wonder why belief in Zeus or Quetzalcoatl couldn’t be equally “justified” by faith, or why one of these pagan deities would be any less plausible a “god of the gaps.” But the main arguments for classical theism are precisely the opposite of “god of the gaps” arguments; and far from resting on an irrational faith commitment, the very content of classical theism is inextricably tied to a commitment to the rational intelligibility of the world.
>>79773773
It is impossible to resurect someone that had been dead of three days. The body changes chemically, fat turns hard, he would not even be capable of coming back. It's not like he supposedly died of age, he was killed. Done. Body and conscience is gone forever. Enough with these myths cited as fact.
>>79774819
>The explanations of common sense and empirical science explicitly or implicitly presuppose a world of changing things, of causal relationships, of complex entities whose parts require composition by something outside them. When the classical theist says that God is pure actuality, subsistent being itself, and absolutely simple, what he is saying is precisely that none of the explanations of common sense or science could in principle count as genuine explanations at all unless there is a cause of the world that is like this. In particular, change -- the actualization of potential -- would not be possible unless there is something that is pure actuality and thus can impart the power to actualize to other things without having to derive it from anything else. Things could not exist even for an instant unless there were something which, as subsistent being itself, could cause their existence without having to be caused itself. Composite things could not exist unless there were a source of reality which, being absolutely simple, did not have to be composed itself. In short, the explanatory resources of common sense and of science are intelligible in principle only within the context of a classical theist metaphysics. That -- and not some arbitrary faith commitment -- is why classical theism will not be overthrown by science. It is rationally and metaphysically more fundamental than science, not less fundamental. For its rational foundations are to be found, not in the gaps in current science but in the necessary preconditions of any possible science. That, at any rate, is what the classical theist argues, and he does indeed argue for his claims rather than merely assert them. (I have said much more about all this in various posts on the cosmological argument.)
>>79774569
>Classical theism maintains that there are no ultimate “brute facts,” that reality is in itself intelligible through and through. And its reasons for saying so are grounded in sophisticated metaphysics, not crude appeals to magic. (I have addressed these matters at length here and here.)
The problem with this is any deity fits into this mindset where the Christian argument from this standpoint falls apart at its foundations. How can you claim your God exists and is all powerful when every other all powerful being imaginable fits here?
>But God is pure actuality and devoid of potentiality, and thus cannot in principle be actualized by anything else; He is absolutely simple and thus does not have parts which need to be combined; and He is Subsistent Being Itself and thus cannot have being or existence imparted to Him.
Prove it.
>>79774836
> By contrast, it is hard to see how the deities of the heathen pantheons could be argued for in anything other than a “god of the gaps” manner. Why suppose that Thor exists (say) unless this were somehow the “best explanation” among others of lightning phenomena, or of certain apparitions people in northern Europe have had? Precisely because these entities would be metaphysically less than ultimate, no appeal either to the ultimate explanation of the world or to the necessary presuppositions of the very practice of explanation could be used to argue for their existence (as such an appeal can be deployed in arguing for the existence of the God of classical theism). And any view of the God of the Bible that would make Him metaphysically less ultimate than the classical theist conception of God would, similarly, reduce Him to the sort of thing for which “god of the gaps” arguments might seem the best we can do.
>Once again, atheists are right to object to the arbitrariness they see in lame arguments of this sort. But once again, these objections are irrelevant to classical theism.
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/10/who-wants-to-be-atheist.html
>>79773492
I agree. I was talking about mortification more generally (whosoever will lose his life for my sake...), not specifically about killing the inner jew (I interpreted that as fighting greed and deceit which is obviously a liberating feeling that is emotionally satisfying). But all saints go through tests and tribulations at some points of their spiritual lives. Feelings are sand on which you should not build, although the Christian experience obviously feels generally good because is why God created us for.
>>79774537
>claims new testament is dated to 600 AD
>i show earliest extant COPIES of manuscripts are dated centuries earlier
can you admit you were wrong?
>This just proves the bible is not an eyewitness account.
the chart i showed you listed the earliest dates of manuscripts we have, the estimations for the dating of the new testament books are much, much earlier, even from non-believers.
>>79774836
Jesus Christ dude just cite it instead pol isn't a Thesis
>>79766941
Sending prayers your way, senpai
>>79774721
>But the main arguments for classical theism are precisely the opposite of “god of the gaps” arguments; and far from resting on an irrational faith commitment, the very content of classical theism is inextricably tied to a commitment to the rational intelligibility of the world.
Irrelevant.
How dare you not be an Orthodox Christian , just look at what you're missing
https://youtu.be/noetoc2W4Pc
>>79766941
>>79774882
>Prove it.
Seek and ye shall find:
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/07/cosmological-argument-roundup.html
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/07/classical-theism-roundup.html
>>79774836
>In short, the explanatory resources of common sense and of science are intelligible in principle only within the context of a classical theist metaphysics.
According to what?
>That, at any rate, is what the classical theist argues, and he does indeed argue for his claims rather than merely assert them.
implying?
>>79774915
There's nothing painful about it. Not for me and christians I know. You give it up it aint that hard. Feels are important dude. The best feels come from God, an evil path makes men miserable. It's on their faces.
>>79774820
>It is impossible to resurect someone that had been dead of three days. The body changes chemically, fat turns hard, he would not even be capable of coming back. It's not like he supposedly died of age, he was killed. Done. Body and conscience is gone forever. Enough with these myths cited as fact.
For a supremely more advanced being like Christ was, cheating death was childs play
>>79774882
>How can you claim your God exists and is all powerful when every other all powerful being imaginable fits here
God precedes religion. All, including Christian religion. Any "deity" that fits into that mindset is God.
>>79775196
>blogspot
I can make a blogspot and argue anything i want, this is just a massive psuedo-intellectual strawman. Also, address my other statement.
>>79758104
>our terminally ill faith
Maybe in England and Protestantism in general, but Christianity is not "terminally ill".
>>79757480
You can only try to non-violently persuade. Anything else is sin.
>>79775156
Very nice
>>79775256
It's intellectually dishonest to believe in God and not every other all powerful being imaginable.
>>79774620
>>79774569
Except scientist are not assuming anything. They observe, record, and form a thesis. Nothing is made up in science, there is a process. The evidence for the universe is substantial. If anything, assuming God did everything is given Ockham's razor. You're assuming that something can exist, but does not with ways we can describe. Everything is made of matter, except energy. This is an undisputable objective fact. You assume the universe came to be in 6 days, and no it isn't a metaphor, because the only reason those say it is because have substantial evidence that suggest otherwise. Christians always thought the universe came to be in 6 days, and treated it as fact. Things are different now? Because we don't need a fairytell to say what and how things came to be.
>>79774620
Your God is just as real as Zeus, Odin Muhammad, Sheeva, and Ra. In the sense that they are all non-existent, the only thing saying otherwise is you assuming your God is the correct one.
>>79775231
Epictetus (a pagan yes) but he had comments on giving things up. He said no one should ever have an Cynic lifestyle like Diogenes unless he genuinely enjoyed it. Not out of obligation but out of a genuine dsire to do it. God empowers me in this way and with my brothers. For us, denying sin is fun and easy. But it 's Jesus Christ's work that does this for me
>>79775526
It's the classic "nothing can be proven" argument, so even the mundane and natural are turned into these enigmatic unprovable non-entities which is a massive misunderstanding of quantum mechanics. They blow a hole in reality so big to fit god and fail to realize they just made it so that philosophically anything and everything is also true and real because it's not disprovable (even the non existence of God).
Philosophy is only useful as an exercise in thought, basing your life on philosophy is outdated and the job market of those who major in philosophy reflect the usefulness of its imaginary nonsensical approach to learning.
>>79775846
I love how the aura of Judas is black in this painting.
>>79774721
God didn't create morals. Morals that the bible shares with other parts of the world are older than Jesus. The Chinese and ancient romans punished rape, not because a god said so, because we human and already have a sense of humanitarianism, and morals. This is because humans lived in groups, and as natural selection goes to show, the humans that are ostracized don't get to put their genes in the pool.
>>79776028
>which is a massive misunderstanding of quantum mechanics
It's more like you have a massive misunderstanding of logic.
>>79776069
I didn't notice that. That's really cool
>>79775526
>>79776160
Evidence?
>>79774721
>does it really boil down to threatening us with eternal damnation?
Yes, that's why the majority of Christians are,"If I'm wrong, nothing happens, and if you're wrong, eternal burning in hell.
>>79776262
This image is the ground of all naturalist/empiricist belief, which is viciously circular. You're an empiricist/naturalist. Therefore logic rapes you in the anus.
>>79776412
Great, you just BTFO ever scientist here on earth!
>>79775231
I'm glad you feel good.
>>79775413
Not really. Unicity is a perfection. All those powerful beings, if perfect, share this perfection. That's it, they're one. So they're mostly just different names to call God.
>>79776412
Elaborate. I'm not following. Explicitly show where i am flawed.
>>79776512
Except the non-naturalist ones who can do things like base the uniformity principle in God's truthfulness.
>>79776543
Jesus suffered for us so we are not obligated to. On the account of all of our sins. Satan is the only one comes to take away our joy,
I see temptaion and I flee from it. I deny carnal jewy pleasures because I desire to do good. It's easy and fun. I love loving others. It's because of God's power. Enjoy the Holy Ghost!
>>79774946
>implying I'm that anon that said the earliest manuscripts were dated 600AD.
How can a book be written before the actual manuscripts? I'm aware that the estimations for the New Testament are earlier than the actual manuscripts. That's the point. It isn't an eyewitness account, therfore neglegible.
>>79776543
>That's it, they're one.
Imperfect all powerful beings exist in the hole you blasted in reality, and so do ones that don't follow logical perceptions of perfection and so does snow white and the seven dwarves.
Anything that can't be dis proven explicitly fits...so anything and everything, even God not existing at all.
>>79776606
Yes, you're not following. You've made a successful observation. For the third time, your belief is rooted in this image. Which makes your belief illogical and absurd.
>>79776606
Science is based on induction problem. That because one thing happens today, it means it will happen forever. Well, one cannot know it. And there is some other problems with induction.
Literally every scientist knows this, but only philosopher autistic fags actually care
