How can you even argue this, stop being so greedy
>>79735846
really makes u think doesn't it
>>79735740
You don't give taxes. Taxes are taken from you.
>>79735933
It sure does. /pol/'s beloved 1950's had way higher tax rates than Sanders is proposing,
>>79736045
/pol/ also loves the 1920's, when there we no income taxes what so ever.
>>79736151
1950's is easily the decade that /pol/ fetishizes.
>>79736151
>pol is one person
>memes
>>79735740
Wanting to keep the money I earn is greedy. Ok.
>tfw this is the legitimate mentality of the left.
>>79736293
> hello I am a newfag
> hello I know what /pol/ fetishizes
>>79735846
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjCyVfBiwpE
>>79735740
>implying landing on the moon matters at all.
>implying space exploration matters
>>79736446
I've been here since /pol/ was created. The 1950's have always been seen as an ideal here by the hivemind.
>>79736293
I'm pretty sure you mean the late 30's, early 40's
>>79735740
top 1% earned less than 3% of the money in the 50s and today its over 20% so it's not a very comparable situation.
the 1% pays almost the majority of the taxes already.
also the majority of Americans make it into the top 5% at some point in their lives. your parents are probably an example of this.
>>79735740
>How can you even argue this
If your taxes were increased, do you think they would be used on space program, or perhaps something else?
>>79735740
We launched the Hubble Space Telescope when the tax rate was at its lowest.
Really makes you think . . .
>>79736293
>Pol
>1950s
>Degeneracy that lead to the 60's
>Shlomos playground
No
>why can't i buy a nice big house and a car at 20 like my daddy
>what taxing the rich, that's communism, i'm voting republicans to make america great again
>>79736539
Yea who the fuck needs satellites and GPS anyway.
We should all just stick our heads in the sand until an asteroid fucks our shit up.
There were several deductions that no longer exist
Nobody has ever paid the marginal rate
>>79735740
When we had a 85% white country we went to the moon.
Those are two things that are never happening again.
>>79735740
What is the effective tax rate after deductions m8?
I'm supposed to pay 28% of my income in taxes but in reality I've never owed the irs more than 700 dollars and sometimes I get refunds after all my deductions.
>>79736791
the 60s was the start of the degeneracy that carried on through the 70s
in the 50s all the war veterans were back home straightening the fuck out of everyone and creating a literal paradise
people were heavily taxed in 1950s due to the cold war
you dont have to tax people now because were at peace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY
>>79737003
We are literally in a decades long global war.
>>79735740
>How can you even argue this,
The govenrment doesn't deserve more money because you feel that certain people make "too much" money.
>stop being so greedy
But you and the government are the ones that want to take more of other people's money just so you and your anti-White friends can get elected.
>>79736803
you think taxing the rich will get you a nice house at 20?
>>79737184
It's a complex range of problems, one of them is the fact that the rich don't have to pay shit compared to what they used to.
>>79735740
>when hitler was around, computers were invented
>this is why we need hitler back
>>79736995
You forgot to add - voting LBJ and spawning the baby boomers.
>>79737550
How would an increased tax on wealthy citizens lower house prices?
>>79737550
Rich folk didn't pay as much because they have folk who know how to game our shitty as fuck tax code. I rarely ever owe in taxes because of it. I should be paying 28,000 dollars a year in taxes but last year I paid $700. So go figure on that.
>>79736857
Science in general is pointless and degenerate.
>>79735740
That's because during the time of 70% taxes those with top 5% income hid their wealth in property. Avoiding the tax in general and paid their je** I mean accountants a nice sum to keep it legal.
You're a fucking idiot.
>>79735740
And with current tax rates, Elon Musk is going to allow 100 Americans to go to Mars to settle.
>>79737886
Interesting, I didn't say or imply that it would lower house prices. Seems like you're disingenuous.
>>79737909
It doesn't have to be like that. That shouldn't be an option you parasite.
>>79737909
and here I was making $13 an hour, losing 1/3 of my paycheck to taxes every week and at the end of the year still owed money because I'm a FUCKING WHITE MALE
>>79736670
>less blacks
>less welfare
>less meaningless spending
>government wasn't "losing" billions of dollars
Life was great before the Left became the Social consensus.
Politics is downstream of Culture.
>>79735740
Now compare marginal tax rate with tax revenues.
>>79738104
t. Philistinist
>>79738104
I'm sure you'll tell the doctor that when he's sewing up your asshole after a Mohammed rapes you.
>>79737550
people who earn over 250k a year pay more than half of the entire income tax revenue in america. that's the top 5%.
people who make less than 50k a year contribute less than 6% of the income tax revenue. you don't think the rich pay their fair share?
you want to know what fair would be? a flat tax. that is an objective truth.
also in the 50s the top 5% contributed much less than they do now, see my other post, >>79736742
>>79738129
The us tax code is over 17,000 pages long. The amount that you can use on itemized deductions is stupid. I get deductions from the deprecation of my shitbox, my mortgage, schooling and to top it off I shove my IRA full of cash and deduct my charitable donations. Not to mention if I had kids I would collect that sweet earned income credit. Learn to do taxes, you don't pay them afterwards.
>>79738211
No because you didn't bother taking a class at hr block on filing tax return. It's not hard to do even a filthy hapa like myself can do it.
>>79735740
>when we had a 70% tax rate on the wealthiest Americans, the government used our money to pay Lockheed Martin to build the biggest rocket ever and put two people on a distant rock.
>After bringing back hundreds of pounds of moon rocks, many mysteriously went missing and ended up being traded by collectors.
except diplomatic elites always find ways to avoid taxes putting more stress on working people imploding the economy like venezuela
HEY YOU COMMIE FUCKS GO TO VENEZUELA AND ORDER A CHEESEBURGER SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR PRECIOUS SOCIALISM THERE
>>79736670
>been here since /pol/ was created
So you're a newfag
>>79737550
No, actually, it's a simple range of problems. There isn't enough work anymore because labor costs are too high, cost of living has exploded because of needless regulation, and inflation is no longer indicative of wages because our banking system is literally run by a doomsday cult.
People like this are the stupidest idiots in the world. You think that because a bunch of investors make a shitton of money, they're taking it out of your pocket? None of them has EVER taken anything from you that you didn't either pay to them for a product or service, or that wasn't taken from you by (uh oh!) the fucking government first.
The reason you are miserable and have no opportunities is that bankers are allowed to get away with murder, while the federal reserve can simply print more money to loan them whenever they crash the economy. Taxes are literally meaningless to them because they control the inflation, and because "money" has no intrinsic value anymore.
This isn't the 1950s. The ultra-wealthy in this country aren't business magnates and oil tycoons anymore, they're hedge fund managers and bankers. You cannot apply the same reasoning to them that you used to. All high income taxes accomplish is taking money away from US, the people who actually work for a fucking living and want to better our livelihoods.
Try this, instead of appealing to naked greed by trying to rob successful people, just try this: Actually enforce fraud laws on investment banks, investment insurance companies, and the Federal Reserve. Hang the people responsible for the Sub-Prime Mortgage scam. Punish the criminals. If that doesn't work, THEN we can discuss you taking half of my paycheck to pay for more nigger welfare.
>>79736393
Not really. Greed is keeping most of that money and using it to lobby for even lower tax rates on the rich while promoting privatization and "trickle-down" policies.
>>79738773
fiat currency was a mistake
person makes 500 million....we tax 35 million, but with writeoff and tricks gets amount down to 9 million
poor baby....only 491 million left over
he uses that money to buy a gazillion houses and rents them to the poor at a grand a month
>>79736915
>le whiteness meme
>>79738129
Ok, then please clarify. How would an increased tax rate allow for housing to be more either more affordable via lower cost or better purchasing power for more people? I'm genuinely curious.
>>79737173
>anti-white
ebin
>>79739177
>it's a meme that things are better under a white majority
reality deniers please go
>>79736915
i think we can all agree we want a country that is almost entirely white, with high taxes on the rich and strong labor unions. this is clearly what is best for society, facts and history prove it.
>>79739095
wew lad. corporations don't need to lobby for lower taxes. they don't pay taxes because the tax code is FUBAR.
"trickle-down" economics is a liberal fairy tail. no economist has ever uttered the phrase unironically.
not sure what you mean by privatization? maybe you can elaborate.
everything anyone does is motivated by greed. your just as greedy as the next guy, especially if you want to take what he has earned by force, against his will.
>>79735740
That doesn't mean we went to the moon because of the high tax.
>>79735740
You mean back after a world war where the world was split in 2 (the other side being communists that take ownership of all wealth) and those paying the 70% didn't have anywhere to go. It was also a much more patriotic age. (consider that when burning your flag)
>>79736393
Honestly I don't even think it's that. I'd be completely in favor of handing over every cent I made if government actually knew how to use it in the most efficient way possible.
The problem is that government is the literal opposite of efficiency though, isn't it? I mean yeah, if we could all pitch in and help each other and it actually worked out where everyone was happy and got what they wanted, while everyone still also worked to their full potential to contribute to society, that'd be great.
But that's a fucking pipe dream, a fantasy. Bernouts think that's actually reality. That's the scary thing. I live in MA and the Big Dig is a great example of this. Bernouts want the entire country to be the Big Dig.
>>79739223
the wealthy are buying up houses like candy....which is causing the cost of them to increase..
then they rent out all the houses they buy to the poor that can't afford them...fucked them twice!
>take a fucking economics course, ya clown
>income tax
1900' was greatest years of America.
>>79736803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ
Enjoy.
>>79739122
he uses that money to provide goods and services to others in his community. housing prices are dictated by market forces, not the building owner.
you fucking moron.
>>79739347
>"""white"""
Whatever that means.
>reality deniers
I'm not denying anything. I'm just not using arbitrary claims and cherry picked statistics to support an agenda.
>>79738129
>reply for other people
>get indignant when held to answer for their premise
>>79738504
Medicine is science and therefore degenerate.
>>79739525
your a fucking idiot.
>>79735740
Getting tax money out of the rich wouldn't be so hard if we didn't make a complete shitmess out of the tax code and allow a gorrilion tax shelters to pop up overseas.
>>79739604
>it's cherry picked statistics that white majority countries are the most successful
haha wow!
>>79736803
Houses are more expensive now because they're built better. I think it's also illegal now to not build them better.
Cars are more expensive for the same reason. They have much better safety standards than they did 60 years ago. We don't use asbestos and lead paint in houses anymore.
Housing is also in low supply since we've imported billions of immigrants and naturally our population has risen from birth rates.
It's not because "muh rethuglicans lowered tax rates"
>>79736803
>the rich getting taxed magically drops a house and car in your lap
hi bernie
>>79735740
How about a low tax rate, and private companies like spacex and blue Kevin go into space?
>>79739807
>allow a gorrilion tax shelters to pop up overseas.
you do understand that our economy is global now, right? apple does not have to exist in america to sell their shitty phones in america. if they left that would be a HUGE loss in terms of take revenue and all sorts of other shit. this goes for any company.
taking away tax havens is effectively raising taxes for corporations, if they can operate somewhere else for a lower cost you can bet your economically illiterate ass that they will.
just what good do you think will come by forcing businesses out of america?
>>79739943
>Housing is also in low supply
no it's not. this is an incredibly local metric by the way. if there is a housing shortage somewhere then it becomes profitable to build houses and apartments, and people do so.
the only exception to this is areas with rent control legislation which makes owning property a liability instead of an asset so the new building stops. see new york in the 80s.
>>79739921
>"""white"""
Again. Arbitrary definition.
Even if Scandinavia is very successful, there's no concrete evidence of anything more than some correlated factors acting to give an impression of """whites""" being "superior."
>>79740237
Tarrifs
>>79740478
affordable housing is in short supply. if i want a 4000 sq foot house for $300k there is no end to my options.
If I want a $100k house with a small amount of land there is absolutely nothing.
there is low supply of affordable housing because it's not profitable to build them because of building codes.
>>79739589
>no response to this video
Figures...
>>79739807
This really. You could tax at 99% and it won't make a difference if you've got loopholes the size of Hoover Dam for people/corporations to shovel money through.
>>79741112
that just shifts the revenue burden onto consumers while limiting the available products. also it has all the disadvantages of forcing businesses out of your country, loss of jobs, loss of technology, etc.
>>79741148
>there is low supply of affordable housing because it's not profitable to build them because of building codes.
you can build 100k houses in some communities, in any largish city, probably now. land in cities is in high demand, that's why it costs more. regulation via building codes obviously makes everything cost more but location is a larger factor.
>>79741219
i aint watching that shit. summarize it's main arguments if you want a reply.
>>79741769
it costs 60k minimum for any plot of land that isn't out in the boonies.
so really i should have said land is scarce. but not only land, small houses too.
>>79741769
forcing businesses out of your country, loss of jobs, loss of technology, etc.
Which is exactly what eliminating tariffs got us.
>>79741769
If importation is more expensive, companies will remain here. It's not about protectionism but disincentivizing abandonment
>>79742139
>Which is exactly what eliminating tariffs got us.
uhh... what? are you kidding me? I assume you are advocating isolationist economic policies, in which case I assume you want to work at a foxcon factory for $2 a day? there is a reason america is not a manufacturing economy any more, we upgraded to technology, we use the global economy for our manufacturing needs.
if you don't want to be apart of the global economy prepare to work some very shitty factory jobs, that is after we retool the economic infrastructure we have been building since the 70s at great cost.
remember the great depression? that's what happens when you suddenly drop out of the world economy and try to legislate prices.
>>79742126
depends on the city. land costs are independent of tax rates for the rich or any tax rate for that matter. its based on demand for a finite resource.
>>79742150
if the corporation can profit more by leaving they will. if you make it more expensive to leave via tarrifs then you are punishing the consumer.
>>79735740
>70%
>effectively 20%
good one tard.
>>79736151
20's were fucking crazy tho, you could be a millionaire as long as you werent a fucking retard.
of course it all had to come crashing down at some point I guess.
>>79735740
I don't necessarily disagree. The 0.01% are total scum and ironically very leftist so tax away. We could use that money to build a beautiful wall, deport all eleven million illegals, and then restart our space programs.
>>79742879
>if they have incentive they will
And? So remove incentive. Make taxes here low and tarrifs on products with domestic equivalents higher.
And which is better, factory job or no job? Wages go down, so do prices or noone will buy your shit.
>>79742984
>of course it all had to come crashing down at some point I guess.
not really. the great depression started as a normal recession which was recovering in less than 8 months until Smoot–Hawley tariffs and socialist projects were enacted as a response, which spiraled the economy right down the toilet until we switched to a war economy and abandoned all the retarded isolationist and socialist economic policy after the war.
why can't we go back /pol/?
>>79735740
Back then the taxes just coerced the rich to either invest in assets that could avoid high taxation, like real estate, or just move their money offshore.
So really, a higher tax on the rich reduced revenue from that bracket and created artificial bubbles in the market.
>>79743640
>>79743266
>The 0.01% are total scum
the 1% are the reason for almost all the technology and convenience you take for granted today you ignorant Marxist.
>>79743693
>>79743570
It crashed because the FED refused to loan to smaller banks while nothing was done to halt bank runs, all after the FED approved loaning out more than your actual reserves
>>79736742
>the majority of Americans make it into the top 5% at some point in their lives
Well it wouldn't be the top 5% if a majority of americans are in it
>>79743914
We move about
>>79735740
The argument againt that tax rate is: "nobody paid it".
Yes, the right wing are that pathetic.
What is even more pathetic is: people actually believe it.
You're all ore than welcome to drown in your own bullshit. I'm done with you all.
>>79743643
>moving money offshore in the 1960s
You have a source on that?
Heard it was a relatively recent phenomenon.
>>79743328
>And? So remove incentive. Make taxes here low and tarrifs on products with domestic equivalents higher.
you were close there, the solution is to make taxes lower and reduce federal spending. increasing tarrifs doesn't just hurt consumers it hurts manufacturing. what happens when car companies can't buy Chinese steel because the tarrifs make it just as expensive as american steel? your car costs twice as much. enjoy your 1998 toyota neon because its all you can afford now.
>And which is better, factory job or no job?
that's a false dichotomy. america is a technology economy. most of our GDP comes from tech, not manufacturing. I can tell you that a tech job is better (and much higher paying) than a factory job.
>Wages go down, so do prices or noone will buy your shit.
if that were true recessions would never happen. if that were true Argentina wouldn't be happening. if wages are going down its because of deflation or recession. deflation will never happen until the fed pulls its head out (so after the next great depression) and you can't lower your prices in a recession if you can't afford to because your already on razor margins (average profit for business in america is 6%, not a lot of wiggle room there). what happens then is industries collapse. like banks in the 30s.
>>79744096
Only idiots pay full income tax here.
When did you realize that the same people that are pushing for mass immigration are the same ones pushing the profits towards the 1%?
>>79743807
>FED refused to loan to smaller banks while nothing was done to halt bank runs,
no that was after shit hit the fan. that's part of the reason banks got raped. FED loaning money to banks has nothing to do with the cause of the recession and the cause of the lack of a recovery making it a depression.
>>79743914
>reading comprehension.
>>79744265
More specifically they began basing their businesses in different locations. But yes what happened was mostly the former situation, where money was invested in things that get taxed less.
The point is that taxes mean less about government revenue and more about artificially inflating different parts of the economy.
>>79743714
0.01% =/= 1%
I'm pretty sure that's not true either. Most modern tech was the result of a few brilliant innovators who changed the world, got rich, and formed huge ass corporations. Their legacies have been wasted and are now trapped in an insane ideology which is destroying the West.
>>79735740
Tax exemptions, tax safehavens. You are ignorant of history.
Sage goes in the options field guys. Don't bump these shill threads.
>>79735740
Space landing may have been a hoax.
>>79744539
>where money was invested in things that get taxed less.
this is exactly what you want people to do with their money. if you don't spend the money you have you are fucking the economy over and causing artificial deflation. the situation you described is an ideal one.
>>79743750
Now that is an attractive family!
Too bad they most likely hold incorrect, problematic oppinions on topics such as:
Race
Religion
Nationalism
Sovereignty
Credit
History
Sexuality
The environment
Socialism
Gender identity
Womens roles
Music
Health
Personal responsibility
Education
And a host of other wrongthoughts that make them shitlords.
>>79744711
>Space landing
Of course it was a hoax. There's nowhere to land in space.
>>79738761
low quality bait
>>79735740
What the fuck difference does it make? Sanders is out.
I seriously doubt anyone had that high of a marginal rate.
>>79744281
This is of course open to modification baded on needs of domestic businesses. Another important factor is government involvement in union negotiations but I won't get into that. I agree tech jobs are better, but not everyone can do that. A mix is better. Argentina is more a case of government meddling paired with haphazard enforcement leading to harming the consumer and renter while not equally controlling producers
>>79744562
>huge ass corporations.
where the hell do you think the products you consume come from? did you buy your microprocessor from the mom and pop shop on the corner or from the bult billion dollar corporation, intel? did you get your car made by the bloke across the street or a massive corporation like Ford or Toyota?
face the facts, most of the material goods we consume absolutely need to be produced on massive scale to be affordable as they are now and cannot be produced by small companies. obviously there are many exceptions but most of the high tech, complex goods we consume necessitate massive organizations to produce efficiently.
>>79744790
Lets imagine that a business, say corn production, has a value. The government sets up a tax haven on corn investments and the value of corn fields and products shoot up. There is overproduction of corn products, like high fructose corn syrup, and the moment someone calls into question the true value of the corn industry the value will crash and screw the workers, producers, and by extension the economy. This kind of artificial inflation on the true value of something is dangerous. Furthermore how will an industry loose value just because it is not enhanced by the tax haven? It would seem that the industry and its value would grow at an apparent and healthy rate as it grows and meets demand.
>>79743914
Leave it to a leaf
>>79735740
Oh you mean when we didn't have globalism and free trade up the ass and actually kept shit in our country?
Go ahead and enact a 70% tax and see how fast they fucking bail
>>79745127
What are you even arguing here? I never said there was anything inherently wrong with corporations. They were corrupted and don't live up to their origins. The current elite in the West are fucking nuts and don't deserve their positions.
>>79744539
Yeah but wasn't that the point? Either invest the money or get taxed?
'Artificial inflation' of industries is still putting that money to work, instead of letting it stagnate in bank accounts.
And working money means a more active economy means more taxable revenue.
>>79745393
Aren't 'tax havens' usually used to encourage low-profit-but-high-demand industries?
Things people usually don't want to do but everyone still needs?
>>79745552
the REALLY rich already do their taxes in panama
the rich use highly trained accountants to pay as little as possible
>>79745094
>Argentina is more a case of government meddling
that's exactly what tariffs are. price fixing is economic suicide. ask the USSR.
>open to modification based on needs of domestic businesses.
assuming that can be done correctly (it can't, by the way, pricing is practically infinitely complex due to theinterdependancy of raw materials) what about the needs of consumers? what if I "need" a phone for under $1000 but can no longer get it because your tarrifing apple which has moved to china due to high american tax rates, taking competition away from the few domestic phone makers left and therefore taking away their incentive to charge less?
apply this scenario to any and all products which a domestic competitor.
all this aside, we WANT manufacturing jobs to move out of country. it HELPs us when we can buy chips from foxconn in china for $0.0001 to use in our phones made in Malaysia for less than $5 of labor per unit. if that labor was american, if those chips were american, your phone would cost three grand!
>>79735740
>implying the wealthy paid 70% of their taxes
>implying the poor and middle class were footing the bill
>implying the current tax code wasn't written because so few of the wealthy were skipping those high taxes
Get fucked libcuck
>>79736467
what the fuck did I just watch
>>79745699
So you would agree then that taxes are a way to push central planning of the economy. I would say that tax havens manipulate the supply for a given demand in such a way that even if demand is satisfied it is still incentivized to produce more. Also what would happen if the true value of the industries were called into question, causing a scare?
Why don't we automatize everything and spend time on art and philosophy, like in a greek polis?
>>79745393
we are talking about free markets and you bring up corn in america? completely artificial market due to government subsidies which should be eliminated ASAP.
>They were corrupted and don't live up to their origins.
they live up to their obligations to their share holders, what more do you want from them? they are simple entities designed to profit and profit alone. this is the only way economies work effectively. profit is THE indicator of what goods are needed and where they are needed. profit should be the only motivation a corporation has. that being said if true corruption exists the penalties for such need to be so harsh that they constitute and effective deterrent for corruption or law breaking. I don't they they are at this time.
>don't deserve their positions.
says you, the infallible moral authority I assume.
>>79746141
that is the future, but for the elite. if we destroy the establishment the benefits of automization will be available to the masses, if not they'll accrue unimaginable profits and we'll line up for our meal ticket
>>79746141
we are. in the 1800's over 90% of Americans were farmers. now its less than 3%. thanks automation.
>>79746317
>>79746317
But what happens when people profit just by having money in the industry and dodging taxes? Then the value and supply doesn't truly match demand and the economy gets shaken. Also, I used corn as an example of an industry whose value was tampered with my the government.
>>79736008
Thats right
>>79746426
>if we destroy the establishment the benefits of automation will be available to the masses
your nuts, dude. the full extent of current automation is available to every person on earth. ask the south african eating american corn, thousands of tonnes of which are produces by a total of 4-10 people! if that isn't automation I don't know what is.
"the establishment" (whatever that is, rich people?) does not keep automation from the masses.
>>79745788
I'd love to talk more but I'n low on battery. God Bless America and Peace to People of Goodwill
>>79746829
Im not not nuts lel the dude that drives that tractor gets a shitty 40k a year salary compared to the owner of the land that makes millions a year exporting his food around the world. And there are still so many foodstuffs that require handpicking, which is dominated by hispanic migrant workers that go all the way to canada in picking season
>>79745803
>implying the current tax code wasn't written because the weathy wanted to skip those high taxes
>>79745788
It doesn't help if the poor & stupid run out of jobs & have to rely on welfare to live.
>>79746081
A scare in an industry which is being boosted by subsidies & which has a never-ending demand?
>>79746141
>>79746829
>you nuts, dude
What about his nuts?
Full automation and guaranteed basic income aren't completely inconceivable. I think that would have negative psychological effects and long term evolutionary effects on humanity though, contrary to the utopia of morally righteous people working only to better themselves that you see in Star Trek. People would all become neets and fap all day and nothing of interest would ever get done.
yeah but we didn't spend it on niggers
>>79746729
>when people profit just by having money in the industry
the only place I know of where people profit from "just having money" is the stock market, and you could still argue for the value of those assets as they represent the public's estimation of a companies value. I don't like the idea of the stock market but I don't think it would be such an issue if not for legislated bailouts and legislated monetary injections into said sock market. if the government would stay the fuck out of the economy things would be much better. the corporate and stock market bailouts basically give your hard earned tax money to the rich and prop up corporations which deserve to fail.
>dodging taxes
there is no such thing as dodging taxes, there is just a shitty tax code that is completely unfair. it is not the fault of a corporation or a wealthy person for not taking every break they can, how much money do you donate to the federal government every year? why would you expect anyone else to?
>the value and supply doesn't truly match demand
then you have surplus goods or a shortage of goods, depending on the situation, surplus goods is basically throwing money away. too much corn is made, a lot of it is sold dirt cheap over seas as a net loss to US tax payers. we get fucked when this happens. shortages, like in the housing market caused by rent control laws in new york in 1980 caused an almost total collapse on low and medium income housing, building owners literally burned their buildings down to save money because they were a liability instead of an asset. the same thing is happening now in detroit (thanks democrats!)
>>79740478
Building housing requires permits from the government. Banks and real estate financiers often lobby against liberal housing projects inorder to protect their existing investments in housing. You see these rich people got rich by buying crappy houses and restrict new building new houses near major population centers. This will increase even the price of the crappiest crack dens to levels that only a couple decades ago would have been price of a Beverly Hills mansion. It's all about government corruption and crony capitalism where business class and political class have become too much of a good buddies to each other.
The golden age of western civilization had high tax rates and strict separation of private and public sectors. Now these two are becoming more and more intertwined so that it is harder and harder to tell them apart from each other and this is the root of many of the problems in our current system.
>>79747473
If the machines get to this level of sophistication, they would most likely have developed intelligence. And would use this intelligence to rise up against the humans, and wipe them out. Even machines won't like to be slaves.
>>79735740
Cutting taxes from 90% to 70% put us in space.
Cutting them further won the cold war
>>79747070
good talking to you ameribro
>>79747175
the dude that drives that tractor gets a shitty 40k a year salary compared to the owner of the land
and if the farm fails the owner is completely fucked, totally ruined, HIS investment is wiped out. the guy driving the tractor doesn't lose a damn thing except for this job. the reward for labor is commensurate with the risk.
>And there are still so many foodstuffs that require handpicking
I am not saying automation has gotten us to a post-scarcity or a post-labor global economy, but it has gotten us (in post industrial economies) very far towards that goal since.
>It doesn't help if the poor & stupid run out of jobs & have to rely on welfare to live.
then educate the population. the solution is not to downgrade your economy to one that can be run by an uneducated population!
>& which has a never-ending demand?
cord has a much lower demand than it's supply. your taxes pay the difference there.
>>79747473
>Full automation and guaranteed basic income aren't completely inconceivable.
your right, in fact i would say they are inevitable.
>People would all become neets and fap all day and nothing of interest would ever get done.
this is don't believe. take the farming labor statistic I quoted earlier, over 90% of america were farmers at one point, just because automation got that number down to less than 3% doesn't mean that the other 87% spend all day jerking off. they find other things which are profitable. in the future that will probably be making better robots and software.
>>79747651
Avoiding a higher tax rate could be considered a profit. I don't blame the rich, I am just raising concerns about the effect this has on the economy. It would seem you and I agree actually on government intervention in the economy.
Tfw I pay 42% taxes. And I don't even earn that much.
I do like the fact our infrastructure and internet are #1 worldwide though. Suck on that, burgers. ;-)
>>79747651
The idea that 'boom & bust is the natural cycle' is what gives everyone's money to the wealthy.
People's retirements are invested in those companies which 'deserved to fail'.
They wouldn't have gotten their money back.
Only those who play the market would.
They'd get their money and then some.
Gotta love shorting.
>>79748191
I wouldn't really mind that because they would destroy leftism in the process. And humanity sucks.
Nick Land is right.
>>79747997
building permits are free.
>liberal housing projects
oh boy I could go on about projects. do you ever wonder why projects always look like shit? because the land lord has no incentive to maintain the buildings because there is no competition in the market. they have no incentive to do so. in fact they have incentive not to spend money because no matter how shitty their housing projects get they will still be rented by the local government. its a disaster. spend the money on basic income if you really care about people who cant afford housing. projects are a complete waste of a building because in 10 years its fucking garbage and needs to be renovated or rebuilt for massive amounts of money.
>The golden age of western civilization had high tax rates
not even close. 1950s was horrible for the western world which had just destroyed most of its economic infrastructure for WW2. 1920 is the same way everywhere but america because of WW1. 1800s, when the industrial revolution was getting into full swing was the golden age and taxes were lower than they have been since.
>strict separation of private and public sectors.
that is completely true. that is a necessity that is no longer being fulfilled (thanks FED and democrats)
>>79748622
>The idea that 'boom & bust is the natural cycle'
yeah its natural when you have the Federal reserve, a fiat currency and interventionist economic policy. it's completely natural.
>People's retirements are invested in those companies which 'deserved to fail'.
are those people not responsible for their investment? they should not have invested in those companies. they should not have worked at a company for a pension they would later lose when the company sank. they should have more wisely invested. their failures, however unintentional or tragic are not a good enough reason to bail out failing companies. "too big to fail" means YOUR paying it with your taxes.
>>79735740
Its easier than ever for those rich fucks to move to a tax haven.
>>79749472
Meddling in the market to rescue good businesses which were swept up in a catastrophic, orchestrated, irrational panic is better than letting tens of millions of people lose all their savings and watching the economy tank just so the richest fuckers alive can successfully play the system and reap the savings of the entire nation.
>>79750783
which bailouts are you referring to? because I can argue against each one specifically if you wish. if you want to be rational about it use the bailout money to pay the pensions or investments of those who would have lost them. do not prop up a failed business.
also, tens of millions? economy tanking? no way. the loss of GM, for example, would have affected millions but other companies would have baught out the GM assets and likely kept most of the GM employees to run their newly purchased factories. just because GM goes under doesn't mean you burn down the factories and send all their employees to the welfare office. those other companies that would have purchased the GM assets would have used them better too! because they are not so incompetent to require a bailout.
>>79736151
>/pol/ loves gays and degeneracy
:^)
>>79736670
>not being here since 1chan
Hello newfag
>>79751237
>arguing specific bailouts
Fuck that. I don't have the time and frankly I'm not well versed enough to represent my positions in a technical argument.
>tens of millions, economy tanking
As I understand it, it was the banks collapsing that would have done everything in. They'd all invested in eachother & propped up their shitty investments- if one failed, they'd all fail, as suddenly everyone's assets were worthless. Which means everyone who relied on those banks for business or to hold their cash would lose everything there.
Failures would just cascade as people/businesses lost all access to any money and failed to pay their bills, which would cause more people to fail.
>they don't burn down the factories & send the employees to the welfare office
That's exactly what they'd do.
They'd take the cream of the crop, burn down everything else and send 70% of the employees to the welfare office.
Perhaps more, if the economy tanks and they don't have the money to invest in an acquisition.
>>79753343
>the banks collapsing
alright I'll give you my take on the 2008 mortgage bank bailouts although I'm no expert.
basically republicans were trying to pass regulations on the mortgage industry pre-08' crash and that got shot down by democrats, the FED (they have a hand in every economic fuck up) encouraged people to get variable rate mortgages which can fuck you over if interest rates rise, the Clinton administration relaxed requirements for getting home loans in the 90s, letting people buy houses they couldn't really afford and wall street not correctly evaluating the risk of those mortgages before they sold the loan assets to investors. so now banks and investors own the mortgage assets of all these people who have houses they can't afford, these people were basically scammed by mortgage brokers due to a lack of regulation there also, they started at a low interest they could afford but later got too expensive, didn't stop the mortgage companies from selling to them though because they often sell the mortgage asset to other people, they are just a middle man in most cases.
the thing about mortgage assets is they are historically a really good investment because one doesn't typically give a mortgage to someone unlikely to pay it back, that, thanks to the FED and Clinton and the democrats blocking regulation wasn't the case this time. so you have billions in mortgage assets that are defaulted on when the fed raises mortgage interest rates by a fuck ton in 2007-2008 and they become worthless as the banks reposes massive numbers of homes.
cont, 1/2...
>>79755111
cont 2/2...
two bailouts happened, one to the home owners, the federal government offered to refinance the loans at 90% - this bailout I think was a good thing. the other bailout was to the banks that traded these risky assets, these banks deserve to go under for being incompetent. they got rich by taking advantage of stupid poor people who can't to interest rate math and don't understand mortgages then got rewarded by the government when their scheme came crashing down around them.
of course if the FED didn't control interest rates this would have never happened. also if there were real penalties on trading worthless assets like risky mortgages this probably would not have happened.
so I think bailouts are OK if they are bailing out people who got fucked by corporations, I do not think corporate or wall street bailouts are ever OK.
>>79735846
So if you tax the rich but not the poor everything crashes.
>>79735740
Remind me, who killed the space program to pay for dem gimmebux?
>>79753343
That's exactly what they'd do.
They'd take the cream of the crop, burn down everything else and send 70% of the employees to the welfare office.
when a company goes bankrupt they auction all of their assets. they would have all gone somewhere.
>>79736933
Would an HR Block tax class actually help? I'm willing to consider it if you can provide me some proof behind your claims.
>>79736933
>I'm supposed to pay 28% of my income in taxes but in reality I've never owed the irs
are you kidding? tax is withheld from every check, depending how much you made its typically at least 30% withheld. you pay the government throughout the year and pay/receive the difference from what you actually owe when you turn your taxes in, your giving them an interest free loan of 30+% of your earnings till tax day.
>>79755541
BASED BILL
Just tax everybody the same percentage of the total they make. The rich still make tons of money, the middle class will do fine and the poor still make enough to survive. Don't give tax cuts or breaks to large corporations that can't sustain themselves to continue healthy competition and we're golden.
For anybody running a business that can't even sustain itself without tax breaks, just remember that you have a weak bloodline, end of story.
>>79737909
>folk
>>79755541
BUT...BUT...DUH CORPORASHUNS
>>79735740
>people more successful than me should be treated unfairly to fund a program with no current economic viability
>how can you guys be so greedy
This is progressive thought?
>>79738761
>1 post by this ID
>>79755541
>>79756865
Good old Bill.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ
>>79736045
>Not knowing about all the loopholes available during that time
>>79755111
>>79755133
>democrats shot down regulation
100$ to a bent button that 'regulation' would have done exactly the opposite of what it claimed.
OR it had some other toxic clause in it.
>clinton admin relaxing requirements
Again, a million to 1 this was a concession to the republicans as some part of a larger deal.
Sounds like a lack of regulation is what caused it. Better regulation is traditionally part of the democrat platform, while less/worse is part of the republicans'.
>bailouts for people vs businesses
I suspect the way they did it was the cheapest way it could be done.
They didn't particularly LIKE saving the asshats who caused it, but would prefer to spend $700bn on that than some ass-pull amount like $3tn your way.
>if not for the fed this would never have happened
I get the feeling bubbles don't last forever- if the fed hadn't popped it, (assuming they did), something else would have.
>>79755308
Yeah, the scrapyard for pennies or straight-up dereliction, because that'd be 'running the business better'.
>>79755243
'Fiscally conservative' republicans?
>>79756817
The rich have a much larger % of expendable income.
A 20% rate hits the poor much, much, MUCH harder than the rich.
Ever heard of the Space Race? Yeah, most of that tax money went into nuclear research and Civil Defense preparation. OP is a faggot shill.
>>79757380
>'Fiscally conservative' republicans?
No, the Great Society did it in and Obama (muh science president lol) delivered the coup de grace.
>>79735740
FUCK YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING IDIOTS
sage
>>79756925
>*current* economic viability is the end-all be-all
I guess you think it's a good idea that no one's developing any new antibiotics eh?
>>79757380
> that 'regulation' would have done exactly the opposite of what it claimed.
see for yourself. it was a pretty clean cut bill. the regulation problem was known for a long time and the democrats opposed it, probably because the bill would have clamped down on the FED and banks which lobby pretty hard.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s190
>Again, a million to 1 this was a concession to the republicans as some part of a larger deal.
no way.
>In 1999, President Bill Clinton signed into law Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed portions of the Glass-Steagall Act. Economist Joseph Stiglitz criticized the repeal of the Act. He called its repeal the "culmination of a $300 million lobbying effort by the banking and financial services industries..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_policies_and_the_subprime_mortgage_crisis
>Sounds like a lack of regulation is what caused it.
yes, that's right. the bush administration is also to blame because the problem was known and they did nothing about it, probably due to the huge lobbying effort by wallstreet and public ignorance of complex shit like this.
>I suspect the way they did it ...
government never does it the cheapest way.
>like $3tn your way.
doubt it. but that's my opinion.
>I get the feeling bubbles...
the FED is what causes bubbles in the first place by lowering interest rates. normal currencies don't work like our fiat currency. the FED can inflate and deflate as they wish by printing money or taking it out of circulation. printing money make the economy look good and gives all the new money to banks and rich people but devalues the USD making savings worth less. its not good.
>Yeah, the scrapyard ...
I doubt it.
I'm not saying not bailing out the banks would have saved more money then bailing them out I am saying they deserve to fail, at least as a hard warning to every other financial institution that if you fuck around you get fucked, not rewarded.
>>79755541
Top 1% (34.6%)
Next 4% (27.3%)
Next 5% (11.2%)
Next 10% (12%)
Upper Middle 20% (10.9%)
Middle 20% (4%)
Bottom 40% (0.2%)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States
They earn a proportional amount of the money so obviously they have to pay as much. It's not fair to charge a billionaire and some poor fuck the same amount.
>>79758130
pharmaceutical RnD is insanely expensive and risky. companies can't afford to develop drugs with no existing market. so long as current antibiotics work there will be no real effort to make new ones.
That along with the horrible PR caused by raising drug prices (martin shkreli, et al.) pretty much means no one can invest in that yet.
>>79747473
>Guaranteed basic income
Oh this meme again
There will never be basic income
Ever
It's a pipe dream of the neet class who want to live in star trek
Like god damn
It will never be a thing
The government will not pay you just to fucking exist at least not in a sustainable way
When did people start thinking like this anyway?
What does full automation even mean? Just robots doing all the basic jobs? We're not even close to that you dumb fuck. Ask literally anyone in the robotics field about that.
Even if we were the government would only give basic income to fully flesh out the two class system with a faux democracy. When people don't have a reason to work they don't find new things to do like some dumb shits might think. They become fucking niggers and niggers are easily controlled. Do not think for a second that the majority of white people are much wiser than blacks.
Why is this thread full of so many retards?
Like holy shit we have fucking American partisans itt
Fuck threads like this remind me of why I hate flags on /pol/
They just make me hate my fellow Americans
>>79759397
he is talking about income tax revenue and your talking about net worth. they are not the same thing.
>it's not fair to charge a billionaire and some poor fuck the same amount.
>it's not fair
>the same amount
fair, adjective :
marked by impartiality [...] free from [...] prejudice, or favoritism
so you are prejudice against people who are wealthier than you because they have more than you? that isn't fair.
>>79759705
welfare is an incredibly ineffective form of basic income. all social safety net programs are.
mono culture states (western cultures that is) could get away with basic income, like the Scandinavian countries if they were not taking in so many immigrants.
>>79735740
>Wanting to keep what you make is greed
>wanting other peoples money isn't
>1 post by this id
>>79760226
How many people in Scandinavia are actually ON welfare
Basic income means EVERYONE gets welfare
I don't believe for a second that people could get away with it
I think that's just wishful thinking
Also in this imagined future I don't think it would be monoculture
Thinking the West will preserve itself is wishful thinking
>>79762184
the swiss just had a vote for basic income. basically they will tax everyone enough to pay everyone a certain amount per month as a safety net. this only works if you have a very low participation in the social safety net already which some European countries do (but not for long). in Scandinavia people on welfare are almost exclusively immigrants.
>I think that's just wishful thinking
I have to agree with you there, that doesn't mean some half commie state wont try it. the scandies and the swiss are pretty close.
>Also in this imagined future I don't think it would be monoculture
there is still the asian cultures which are just as nationalistic and racist as they always have been.
>Thinking the West will preserve itself is wishful thinking
the west will be tainted by the 3rd world but our culture produces too much good to disappear.
>>79755953
You get to learn about your deductions and what the government tends to look for in audits. It's worth learning. My mom does it for side money still.
>>79756196
Yeah, the government got a free loan if 150 dollars. I can't claim deductions until the end of the year. It's not like I'm a dindu abusing earned income credit collecting 30k for having 12 kids.
>>79758905
>2005 bill concerning new oversight of FMFM
Ah, I see they opposed to to maintain 'affordable housing'.
Well yep, that seems pretty bone-headed now.
>Gramm-leach-bliley act
>authored by 3 republicans
Yeah, I'd say that's a republican bill.
>gvt never does it the cheapest way
Ha
>FED
It's not good Unless the world economy is getting depressed & banks aren't issuing loans.
The US is doing well because of it.
I'd rather have a sea anchor like the FED than drift untethered on the whims of the market.
>you get fucked, not rewarded
Except the execs all had their 'golden parachutes'.
Only the workers, the retired, and the poor would have suffered.
The people responsible for those decisions would have coasted to their next CEO job.
>>79759583
Yep. Which is why rich fucks ought to get their shit taxed to pay for it.
It's in the common good, just like space development.
>>79735740
This retarded fuck thinks the moon landing actually happened lmao
For those doubters go ahead and find me a non-cgi picture of a satellite in orbit.
I'll be here waiting.
>wanting to keep your own money is greed
>wanting to take other people' money is 'fair'
>>79763337
>Yeah, the government got a free loan if 150 dollars.
if you make 500 a year maybe. if you make 20k they get a loan of around 4k, if you make 50k they get a loan of around 15k, etc. learn 2 taxes man.
also calling it a loan is a misnomer since they just take that money on tax day. its the interest that you loose out on. you don't technically have to let them withhold money from your paycheck but you had better have your 15k at the end of the year if you don't.
THE HORIZON
IS HORIZON(TAL)
SEA LEVEL
NOT SEA CURVE
SEE? LEVEL.
>>79740979
Whites >are< superior. There is no argument against it.
>>79735740
Why does /pol/ always fall for the '1 post by this ID' meme?
SAY IT WITH ME
>MOTIONLESS
>FLAT
>>79764898
it's almost as if clouds move and that the earth is imaged in small chunks that are later stitched together.... hmmmm rly makes u thin
>PLANE(T)
>>79764512
k...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_route
>>79735740
They are because what Bernie proposed was permanent government spending and not finite goals like putting a man on the moon. Comparing Bernie to Kennedy is both idiotic and infuriating. Kill yourself OP
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>>79765547
Hate to say it, but the Canadians really are worse than the Aussies. Have some (You)'s
>>79748509
out country is also 100x bigger
and we have niggers and share a border with mexico
>>79765301
https://www.quora.com/If-a-part-of-a-circle-is-infinitely-magnified-will-it-end-up-being-a-straight-line-segment
>>79763502
>Yeah, I'd say that's a republican bill.
im not on the side of republicans or the democrats. the democrats are generally more economically stupid but all politicians are typically fucking retarded at everything except getting elected.
>I'd rather have a sea anchor like the FED than drift untethered on the whims of the market.
you remember hearing about all the booms and busts pre 1900? no? there was no FED back then. free markets are incredibly rugged. you can have entire markets collapse due to innovation or new competition and not have a recession so long as the FED isn't there pumping money into the system ruining the value of a dollar. if you think the FED is at all a good thing you should really look into it further. there are a multitude of reasons why the FED is a horrible horrible idea, mainly the inevitable instability it introduces to a currency. how can a market work when the currency it operates on is volatile? not very well.
>The people responsible for those decisions would have coasted to their next CEO job.
not so much. you sink a few companies and your done as a CEO unless you gather your own assets and start your own company.
>Only the workers, the retired, and the poor would have suffered.
when shit happens people suffer. what about the tax payers who payed for the bailouts? they don't matter to you? I get that when people get fucked its a tragedy but you don't resolve someone getting robbed by robbing their neighbor to pay them back.
>rich ought to get taxed to pay for it.
that is philosophically immoral and objectively unfair. you think you know better than the market what should get human resources. I hate to break it to you but you don't. your basically advocating socialist ideals and they have been tried time and time again. read about the economists who ran the USSR back in the day to get an idea of just how badly this line of thinking can get, of just how inefficient, of just how impotent it is compared to market prices.
>>79765423
Every single picture is CGI, there are no real images.
>>79765538
These flight paths exist only in imagination and cannot actually be scheduled and flown.
>>79765733
When you redpill so hard retards think you're trolling, why do you think there is truth in jest pleb?
>>79765932
>https://www.quora.com/If-a-part-of-a-circle-is-infinitely-magnified-will-it-end-up-being-a-straight-line-segment
>Leo C. Stein
>(((Stein)))
No jewish physics please
>>79736045
For a Christian society to be created at the image I love. Not for a liberal utopia for trannies and feminists.
I wouldn't approve that, if I was an american.
Formed decades after the Earth was "proven" a globe the United Nations still opts for a flat earth map for their flag, divided into 33 degrees I might add.
>flat earthers know some-thing
>>79766638
this isnt a flat earth thread if you want to talk about that start your own thread and stop bumping this one off the board you fucking canadian retard. i didn't know that they don't have science classes in canadian public schools.
>>79767016
The thread started with the OP claiming the moon landing was achieved, it is indeed a flat earth thread because the moon landing was hoaxed, to perpetuate the globe hoax.
Globalists aren't just the enemy financially.
Russianvids, you fucking retard, stop posting in this thread :D
>inb4 bill higgs
>>79735846
Keyword: Marginal
Everyone knows nearly no one paid the full amount. Doctors, for example, would reinvest their money in businesses or charity for tax credits. Peter Schiff had a good article about it.
>>79767166
there isn't enough posts left until the bump limit to debunk your stupid flat earth ideas so start a new thread and ill destroy you there if you want to be humiliated you functionally retarded leaf.
>>79767622
There's not room for you to find me, one, single, real picture of a satellite in orbit?
That seems quite unlikely, assuming there is thousands of them in orbit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr6Vcvl0OeU
Moon landing was so real they'll punch you in the face to prove it, rather than swear on the bible.
>>79767725
you can literally watch the space station (which is a satellite) orbit the earth at night. http://iss.astroviewer.net/
you fucking moron.
>>79765647
fuck me that was gud
>>79735846
What the fuck did HW do?
>>79768466
You're the moron if you accept that as proof that their billion dollar budgets are going anywhere but straight into the pocket.
Here's a picture from NASA's own website with a UFO in it.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-147-22470HR.jpg
>NASA CONFIRMS UFO IN ORBIT AROUND MOON
This is you right now. You retards are so gullible you can be tricked into ignoring your own senses.
>>79735740
>Bernie
who?
Alternative flight methods very well may exist, however space travel is strictly science fiction.
>>79766010
I've heard some of the most incredible bubbles occurred before 1900- like the colossal east India crash.
But I don't think looking back that far is very practical anyway- looking at how markets worked pre-electricity seems..like apples & oranges. Far too much has happened between now & then.
>CEOs are finished & taxpayers suffered
Bullshit. After the 08 crisis we were hearing monthly reports on CEOs who fucked up getting bonuses 'just because', being promoted, and getting rehired all the time. Being the CEO of a fortune-500 company, even if it went down the shitter, is a nice little star on your resume. And they had enough money to weather any unemployment comfortably anyway.
Tax payers benefited from the bail-out. The economy didn't crash and the loans taken out by the businesses have all been paid back with interest.
As for free markets, I'm with you. They're a great economic system, the best, but they have to be protected from themselves.
A completely unrestrained free market is at best a race to the bottom of short-term profit & at worst the winners subvert the market & eliminate their competition anyway.
And yeah, the market isn't omnipotent & omniscient. It isn't even very wise, and often irrational- it's just profitable.
If we need anything that isn't immediately profitable, or benefits the society instead of the individual, capitalism just won't get it done. There's no incentive.
We do need SOME central planning.
As for unfairness, a lot of rich people seem to think they don't owe anyone anything. The roads they drive on, the safe societ(ies) they do business in, they are doing very well in this world.
And they think they did it all themselves.
If they're raking in 50% of the income & hold 90% of the wealth, they've got to pay taxes equivalent to it.
And then some, because they can fucking afford it unlike everyone else clawing around in the muck.
>>79768864
dude you are so fucking stupid you can see the space station with a telescope clearly. you are hopelessly lost to your own confirmation bias. the only soils I have here is the knowledge that you will make a massive fool out of yourself for the rest of your life when you tell people about flat earth. spread the word, leaf. the world deserves to know (how stupid you are).
That concludes my info dump, anyone reading along should note the dissenters inability to provide even a single real image of a satellite in orbit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_submarine_cable_disruption
Most of the internet as we know it is conducted through these cables.
>>79769361
Are flat-worlders really a thing or are they all just elaborate trolls?
>>79769344
Make no mistake I am well aware of my foolhardiness.
>the only soils I have here
Oh I don't think so chap(ped)
>>79769125
The only fictional thing about this subject, is your capacity for shitposting, combined with your non existent cognitive capacity.
>>79769558
Oh they're very real, unlike non-cgi images of satellites in orbit and the moon landing and space travel and NASA and Antarctica.
Globa'alists are the new kids on the block.
>>79769558
Flat worlders come from the same broken logic as people who believe in FTL.
"What? i can't have what i want? i'll just make excuses to make the bad reality go away!"
Same arguments, too. "science is always wrong, we can't know for certain, that's what they said about airplanes, etc etc"
humans are incapable of being rational when it comes to things they want.
Quite a (((coincidence))) that it's only people from Five Eyes disagreeing.
The Five Eyes, often abbreviated as FVEY, are an intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. These countries are bound by the multilateral UKUSA Agreement, a treaty for joint cooperation in signals intelligence.
Not a single refutation offered by any in disagreement that rose above ad-hominem. Your handlers should have trained you better, if you pretend to respond with science at least that way it would be up to the would-be dupe to figure out the deception instead of seeing that you have no solid argument.
>>79739465
You know, I love this ignorant argument, as if none of the problems in government are due to privatizers coming in, filling their payrolls with shitskins, fucking everything up, and costing way more than quadrupling the "unsustainable" pensions ever could. And then the same retards who bought the lie that the private sector magically never wastes or fails and voted in other retards who gave them exactly what they wanted turn around and blame the public sector for everything that they warned would happen.
>>79769188
we are talking about american free market economics which essential stopped existing when the FED was created, there were no crashes in america before 1900. the east india company wasn't in america and wasn't due to free market forces.
>Being the CEO of a fortune-500 company, even if it went down the shitter, is a nice little star on your resume.
no, its not. thats like saying being lawer who never won a case is a nice little star. doesn't work that way, champ.
>The economy didn't crash and the loans taken out by the businesses have all been paid back with interest.
the economy did crash, worse than it has in decades, by the way, and the businesses have no obligation and will never pay back the tax payer's bailout money.
>Tax payers benefited from the bail-out.
you cannot know that since you don't know what would have been the result in the opposite scenario. you are just assuming and not even providing supporting material for the assumption, forgive me if that doesn't change my mind.
>winners subvert the market & eliminate their competition anyway.
no, monopolies cannot exist in a free market.
>market isn't omnipotent & omniscient. It isn't even very wise, and often irrational- it's just profitable.
you don't understand what price/profit represents in a market. I would start with a book on basic economics, i recommend tomas sowells book, basic economics.
>There's no incentive.
wrong. your mistake here is not realizing that society IS individuals and there wants are represented by what they are willing to pay for which the market recognizes by the price of things. there is literally nothing that capitalism cannot provide. before you bring up homelessness and poverty you should understand that these were basically not a problem pre-1900.
>SOME central planning.
see the anons post above, the image with the beavers, it explains nicely why small government is to be preferred. ultimately humans are too short sighted to run an economy.
I'll be checking the thread until it closes, this is an imageboard and all it would take to disprove me would be a single image that should be readily available on google.
But we both probably know that won't happen :^)
