uh oh
The left's biggest hero is a Russian spy.
Shocked.
The government of the US treats him like an enemy because he exposed their dirty secrets. What did they expect?
He still has to make a living. The US had every opportunity to offer him amnesty and give him whistleblower protection. But the government is so desperate to keep its blackmail machine they'd rather have him spill to the Russians than give it up.
>>79672291
Ironically Russia is the worst place in the world to be the IT guy.
>>79672291
wouldn't be the first time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Agee
>>79672291
This doesn't say he's a Russian spy.
It says he is giving information to the Russians.
>Be American
>expose government corruption
>offer government to tell you which ones are serious matters of national security so that you don't get people killed
>government doesn't take you up on that offer
>government labels you a traitor for doing your civic duty
>Russia takes you in and protects you from being unjustifiably imprisoned and/or executed
>Thank them but don't tell them shit for years while you try to bring America back to its senses
>America keeps telling you to fuck off and die
>Russia is still being nice to you
>fuck it, become Russian
why is this a surprise to anyone
That's not actually the case.
There wasn't an official announcement.
But he could have been working for russians yes. Wouldn't be surprised.
Also what the NSA was doing was wrong and it's good people know about it.
Even if we knew (suspected it) anyway and normies don't care.
>>79675693
All because obongo and his stubborn pride.
>>79672291
Snowden literally didn't do anything with confidential data that Clinton didn't do
>>79675693
This.
I doubt it
>>79672291
Oh no! You mean he didn't escape to russia for their human rights record?
>>79672291
Pretty cool, from anime nerd to Russian super spy.
Living the dream.
>>79677405
But does he get tendies in Russia
>>79672291
>Kremlin admits
>OP fell for it
Why is this not surprising?
Anyone remember when Trump said this in a debate months ago?
>>79678302
trump says a lot of shit. actually retaining anything he says would cause brain damage.
>>79672291
>Shocked
What did you think he was going to do there for the rest of his life, watch anime?
>>79675133
comey's basically implicated in all the corruption shit as well
Wait, are we gonna act like Snowden didnt expose big government? Since when is /pol/ pro-NSA spying?
>>79678776
whoops, wrong thread
>>79672291
Mr. Snowden, I'm KGB
>>79674940
FPBP, he doesnt really have a choice if he has to life a semi-free life
>>79678913
youre a big spy
>>79679020
for you
>>79674940
>goes to work for NSA,
>gets SCI cleared and signs all briefing documents
Dude's a fuckin edgelord supreme. Who signs on to the NSA and gets upset when he finds out people are being surveiled? Most contractors are already knew about black rooms at every telecom. Now he's making a career out of betraying his government. No one has been helped here other than himself.
>>79675693
This senpai
If the mudslimes take over America Russia will be the next safe place.
>>79678913
I bet his comrades in KGB are like: Do you believe that manlet loser became a president?
>>79675693
That sums it up nicely.
snowden = traitor.
bradley manning = not traitor.
when was the last time any news organization felt shame?
>>79677056
He's living in Russia but you don't think he has to pay for the protecting?
Really?
You doubt it?
That's liberal level logic fella.
>>79679405
Bradley manning is definitely a traitor bro. Prolly has more blood on his hands than Snowden.
>>79679405
Ummmm WTF? You transphobic bigot.
Her name is Chelsea now.
>>79672291
I don't think you know what the word "spy" means
He wouldve had a fuckton more sympathy had he stayed in the US, trial or not. Instead he went to Beijing and Berlin.
>>79679555
how so
>the left
why would the left expose Obama's illegal mass surveillance state?
>>79679772
Why?
Obama would never give him a trial
>>79679832
can't have security without sacrificing some of muh freedoms.
>>79679959
kek no
You really think Obama gives a shit about stopping terrorists?
>>79672291
>Russian agent
>supports Hillary over Trump
lolnope.jpg
>>79680152
>All of russia has only one opinion
>>79680125
Franklin didn't live in the world we do today. though he was right.
As a former libertarian, I hailed this goy as a hero.
But now I'm not so sure.
In fact, I kinda like the Patriot act now.
What the fuck.
>>79675693
/thread
>>79675693
>bluepilled morons actually believe this news somehow hurts America and helps Russia
Quite the opposite newfags. Lurk moar.
>>79676366
Agreed, both sold it to americas enemies
average russian spy is pic related
>>79672291
>Kremlin
>telling the truth
You cant actually be this retarded anon
>>79672291
I think this book makes a very good case that Snowden may have been unintentionally duped into this. And he's a retard if he thinks Russians haven't already accessed the files.
>>79678913
>78913â–¶>>79679020 >>79679255
>File: Vladimir_Putin_in_KGB_uniform.jpg (6 KB, 200x315)
>>>79672291 (OP)
>Mr. Snowden, I'm KGB
If you look at history it seems Manlets are the most alpha cunts going around. Napoleon Putin Hitler Mussolini Julius Caesar. All manlets all huge historic figures.
>>79679442
Russia isn't your hippie station wagon, "gas, grass, or ass" isn't a guiding principle of the country.
>All this retards falling for some retarded headline of some random clickb8 site
>>79677214
He was in route to some South American shithole
>>79677565
Doubt it, his life there looks like shit
>>79678783
Trump said it's right so it must be right
>>79679106
He had a career at the NSA, now he's a shitty sysadmin at a Russian telecom
>>79679772
He would be dead and the journalists (if they even agreed to go to the US) would be in Guantanamo
Poitras definitively wouldn't had accepted, Greenwald is a corrupt dumbfuck so it wouldn't surprise me if he agreed
The only way he could do this was in either Russia or China, everywhere else they would had been stopped before even meeting
>>79681476
Protecting Snowden is a great PR act
>>79672291
>He's trading information in exchange for his life
no shit, sherlock
>>79681338
5'7" master race reporting in
>>79679020
For RU
>>79679106
>his government
Nice meme. The US government hasn't represented American citizens for a long time.
>>79681338
They say excess testosterone makes bones cap off early s they might be mean little fuckers.
Just so you know guys, Russia is about to implement a new law, according to which all internet and mobile providers are obliged to store each person's call and chat history for 6 months.
It's called "Yarovaya's package" after a parliamentary bitch who proposed this nonsense.
Also Russian authorities want cameras in every hotel room. IN EVERY HOTEL ROOM.
>>79692126
>Just so you know guys, Russia is about to implement a new law, according to which all internet and mobile providers are obliged to store each person's call and chat history for 6 months.
If Theresa May becomes PM she will do the same here, she already tried to get it through twice already
>>79675693
ALL OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID MAKES HIM A SPY
LIBERTARIANSHITS BTFO
muh freedoms
muh slippery slope
>>79672291
>Is now providing information to the Russians
>now
oh wow, you're a moron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV7yobI1m4o
>>79672291
I wouldn't be surprised but what he did was still good.
It's pretty much how I would expect a modern spy to operate.
>>79675693
I would willingly betray America to Russia
>>79675693
more like
>leak 99.9% info about foreign intelligence operations and collection methods
>leak 0.01% information about domestic metadata collection that requires a court order
>use the latter to craft a positive narrative about yourself in the media
>brainless idiots eat it up while you and your GF live large in Moscow
Snowden is literally Philip Agee 2.0
>>79672291
>Confirms what's been obvious to everyone for years
>>79672291
So Trump was right yet again?
>>79677405
Snowden never planned to be in Russia.
If you read his old forum posts and shit, Snowden planned to be an IT worker in Japan after serving in the army but after he got honorably discharged after suffering an injury, that life plan about working in Japan derailed.
And then he ended up in Hawaii, instead, which I guess has some minor Japanese culture over there.
But then he had to go to Hong Kong before finally ending up in Russia.
I wonder what would have happened in Snowden was stuck in Taiwan though rather than Hong Kong.
If I recall, Taiwan currently has no extradition treaty with America and Taiwan is just 90 minutes by plane away to Japan.
>>79672291
Wow, a whistleblower who immediately fled to russia is a spy??
Wow!
>>79696587
Its kinda sad seeing /pol/ on trump's nuts without any skeptical reserve
I guess of is summer
>>79696702
it*
>>79676208
Try again.
Of course it was Shillary who couldn't be convinced. Was it for Obama, he would be back.
>>79672291
Well when you're leaking classified information to public you are giving it to Russia as well.
That doesn't make you a spy though.
>>79696618
So all failed weeaboos end up in Russia?
It really makes you think!
>>79681338
Hey australian friend. You're probably shitposting (I can never tell with you guys because I'm german and don't have a sense of humor) but most of the people you listed there were of average, or above average height for their time.
>>79672291
Yeah, unless i see actual evidence from a credible source, i call bullshit.
>>79672291
Of course he defeteced when our fucking useless excuse of a government tried to force him back here and go to jail.
>>79672291
I don't get it.
I don't get why people try to call him out for criticizing the US more than Russia.
I don't get why people try to tear him down as some sort of moral icon.
I don't care about his opinions on the morality of the west, one way or the other.
This guy's value is in the information he leaked, plain and simple. His opinion carries weight only where it directly relates to his experience with the NSA.
Is he a retard on twitter? I s he providing information to the Russians? I really couldn't give any less of a shit- his part in public discourse ended after he leaked all that stuff. He is not some public intellectual or moral authority, he's just some guy who leaked some shit.
>>79697110
>LE CITATION NEEDED XDDDDD
Fuck off autist.
>>79672291
It is every mans' patriotic duty to damage the government of this nation as much as possible, as they are the greatest threat to this nation. The only way the Snowden leaks could get any better is if government officials' planes start blowing up from him leaking some high level shit.
>>79672291
>implying he isn't a hero
>implying him being a russian spy wouldn't make him even more of a hero
>>79672291
Snowden has always been part hero and traitor. Hero for revealing domestic spying programs, traitor for revealing foreign spying programs.
>>79697398
It's called media spin, how can YOU not understand it? Are you holidaying?
>>79679106
The US government betrayed its people in the first place.
>>79697632
How long does it take foreign spying techniques to be used on American citizens?
>>79697063
>I can never tell with you guys because I'm german and don't have a sense of humor
If this is meant to be a joke, then the fact you don't have a sense of humour is confirmed.
>>79681338
napoleon was average height for the time. it was just english propaganda
>>79696325
>Requires a court order.
It was a kangaroo court - you could submit a request on the basis that someone once wore a Hawaiian shirt and it would have been approved.
>>79697984
You're an idiot, sorry.
>>79698018
Same goes for Charlemagne.
Pro Karlings depicted him as tall.
Anti Karlings depicted him as short.
>>79679106
totally, the consitution is so edgy lol only faggot edgelords want to follow laws
>>79697398
Don't think you understand the significance in the public psyche, its like the modern Dreyfus affair x10.
>>79675693
I agree
>>79675693
>da gubbermen didn't listen to my threats :/
>better become a traitor after realizing I fucked up and don't have any cards haha that will show them #freesnowden
Sack of shit, I would personally put a bullet in his head and piss on his corpse any day.
>>79698098
Man... I am replying to Germanbro.
Not to you.
I'll spell my comment out for you autists;:
>Ausbro shitposts (or posts seriously)
>Germanbro says he cannot tell which of the two cause Germans don't have a sense of humour
>I enter the room, hear Germanbro trying to make this self-referential remark, and call him out
If you didn't understand the exchange, I have bad news for you: you are an autistic person. And possibly 13 y.o.
And if you are autistic, then Germanbro deserves my apologies.
>>79679106
Did he break the rules?
Yes.
That does not, under any circumstances, justify the absolute cunt shit that the NSA was doing. You can't justify being a massive faggot and spying on your citizens by saying "WELL THIS RULE I PUT IN PLACE SAID YOU CANT BLOW WHISTLES BECAUSE ITS REALLY MEAN TO ME SO HA HA HA GET WRECKED YOU'RE TOTALLY A TRAITOR FOR VALUING FREEDOM OVER SECURITY XD"
>>79698352
You're a fucking moron. The government are the traitors. They don't follow the constitution, they don't represent American interests, they're globalist shills working for international corporations and banking cartels, they do not recognize borders or national sovereignty, only systems to be exploited. Fucks sake you edgy little faggot, pull your head out of your dirty asshole.
>>79672291
Keywords:
>is NOW providing ...
>>79696618
If I remember correctly, the US doesnt recognise Taiwan as a country; it would have been absolutely hilarious and pissed off china.
That said, Taiwan would probably have traded snowden for recognition, hence why it's a bad idea.
>>79675693
Completely agree, this isn't a surprise at all desu.
>>79698241
Don't get me wrong, I think that the treatment he would receive from the US government is still very important- a pardon, for example, would be huge. I just don't put think the man himself has anything more to offer.
>>79698241
>betrays his own government and becomes a Russian agent
>"wants to follow laws"
kek
>>79698552
>bro the gubbament is wrong open your eyes lmao
I'd love to put a bullet between your eyes and piss in the hole too. This isn't the time for internal strife and traitors need to be killed asap.
>>79698755
>his own government
doesn't. exist.
see >>79698552
Naive cunt
>>79698385
I was just making an offhand comment.
>>79698773
You're the fucking traitor, goddamn. And even I don't want to kill you. You're not only a moronic traitor to everything our ancestors created and died for, you're also a terrible person.
>>79679106
You can't be a government agency that constantly breaks the law, then go running to the law when one of your employees spills the beans that you're breaking the law.
>>79698923
t. 16 year old
You literally don't matter, shut the fuck up and study for your summer school exams brat.
>he's unironically a statist cuck
wew lad
>>79698773
>>79698999
I've owned knives less edgy than you.
>>79696300
You can fucking die
>>79698999
>Thinks the state can do no wrong
>Calls other people children
You're utterly insane
>>79698999
You're extremely ignorant of your own country and who rules it and why. You buy moronic kindergarten stories peddled by mainstream press. This would be normal, except you're on /pol/ where all the information leading you to understanding is available, so this makes you both culpable and intellectually incompetent.
>>79672291
So this is a repeat for every year since 1917?
>>79679555
dumbest shit i have ever heard.
>>79698773
Mossad pol/ loves you but go away
He went to Hawaii because the security software that protects TS/SCI information isnt installed at the NSA station there, while access to the entire database of files is availiable to people with PRIVAC clearances. He went there intentionally and was able to pull off this job because of the Hawaii stations bandwidth limitations.
>>79680152
Since when did he support Hillary over Trump???
He doesn't like either of the candidates.
Shut the fuck up.
>>79699191
>fighting for the Taliban and telling them US TTPs.
>somehow killed less Americans than someone who leaked info about US ELINT collection
U what?
>>79699489
He would have been sent there because he had a need-to-know for his NSA position.
You don't choose to get access to data that secret.
>>79696676
I wonder who's behind this post
>>79675693
He acted as a spy, most likely recruited in high school or early university days. Meaning this was all planned in order for him to do exactly as he did. Everything you state in your post is aligned with him being a great spy.
Check into Snowden's flight records when he whistled. He appeared and disappeared on several flights where people were trying to catch him. If he was not a spy then there is no way he could have not been fingered by the feds.
Everything surrounding Snowden points to him being a spy, for example his lifestyle as well as his choice line of work.
I'm not trying to excuse the US GOV for their actions, all governments at this point in society are corrupt to the extreme. The point of debate is whether or not Snowden is a spy, which all signs point to yes.
>>79699562
noone has yet proven any of that data has been used to hurt US troops.
>>79699635
When you are a sys admin you get a special clearance called PRIVAC, which means privileged access. Since you literally manage all the data you have to have access to it all.
>>79699716
Can't be me I'm behind your mom
>>79699127
>dude like you just believe the media and shit, I've been on /pol/ for a few months now, don't even disagree with me seriously I've read an article about this
You are missing the point 16 year old. Enemies of the state should be put to death, period. Whether or not he was in whatever your underdeveloped brain perceives to be in the right is irrelevant.
>>79699868
I love it when isralies post on this board, with all the jew hate on here I have yet to witness anyone being directly racist. Such an interesting board this is.
>>79674940
>The government of the US treats him like an enemy because he exposed their dirty secrets.
...and got people killed you dipshit
he sold US government secrets for money, anyone who doesn't believe this is a fucking retard.
Why the shit would he flee to C H I N A of all places to release the documents?
He would have been 100% safe in any major EU country because the European Court of Human Rights does not allow extradition for whistleblowing.
e.g, Austria has repeatedly denied USA extradition requests
see:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32544699
anyone who buys his story is a retard, and for all we know a large part of it is fabricated to instill hatred and distrust against the US government by its populace(oh gee, just something someone who wants a destabilized USA might want maybe?)
>>79699781
>"Yes, Achmed, we always send men out X metres to check for wires."
>"Well, when we get ambushed, Abdul, this is what we do..."
>"Our SOP when you do this is to ..."
Explain again, how you suddenly require "proof" Manning caused American deaths?
>>79699817
Yep, but you don't ASK to become sysadmin for the NSA.
>>79699946
No-one hates them for being Jewish.
>>79699908
>Enemies of the state should be put to death, period.
So Obama and Hillary first, yes?
>>79699868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1yzoiUIGGs
>>79700008
no evidence to his disclosures leading to anyones death.
>>79698036
And?
Nothing the NSA ever gathered was admissible in a US court. The NSA's remit is protection the of country. It isn't busting credit card scammers, pedos, or drug dealers.
Except for excluding any evidence gathered improperly from being against a person in a court of law (based on precedents btw not actual law) there's not actually anything stopping the US government from spying on anyone they want. Especially not via electronic means.
>>79700008
>he sold US government secrets for money, anyone who doesn't believe this is a fucking retard.
>Why the shit would he flee to C H I N A of all places to release the documents?
US has long arms anon.
>He would have been 100% safe in any major EU country because the European Court of Human Rights does not allow extradition for whistleblowing.
The European Court of Human Rights can't do shit against a CIA-arranged "accident".
>>79700116
That's why Assange is dead, right?
>>79700023
Secret/TS SOP's obviously change upon public disclosure. You are still using hypotheticals, not anything that has actually occurred.
Yes you do ask to become a sysadmin. You apply for the job like any other job. That said, not anyone can apply for those jobs, usually require existing TS clearance or if they REALLY like you they will conduct a TS background check on you and then hire you. Sometimes it takes 6 months to a year so they very much prefer you to already have that clearance.
>>79699946
Nah I get direct racism but who cares
It's mostly against the diaspora jewry anyway and I'm immune to bantz
>>79700043
>Posts I wonder who's behind this post
>Blames others for unoriginality
rofl
>>79700023
>So Obama and Hillary first, yes?
I would support that, but America isn't a third world shithole so putting high profile politicians to death isn't very feasible.
>>79679131
Muslims are already taking over Russia
There's no place to go
>>79672291
>implying anyone's surprised
he transfered over a million secret documents
>>79700000
>>79699999
Seriously what did Obongo expect by not letting him come back home.
>>79672291
It's a little late for shilling damage control tweets, huh NSA?
>>79700209
I hear ya, im persian so im right there with ya in some ways.
>>79672291
So you get to be "an agent" if you give them information while living under their protection? Does he get a nifty badge?
This article is much ado about nothing. He's already given the world much of the data he had and that includes the Russians. There's no story here. He is not "an agent" now or ever before. OP is a fag.
/thread
>>79700303
Yeah, I'm connected to world Jewry about as much as you are connected to the current Iran govt, i.e. completely separate cultures.
>>79678783
Im allowed to disagree with trump on this
people are using it to divide and conquer though
>>79700092
>Except for excluding any evidence gathered improperly from being against a person in a court of law (based on precedents btw not actual law) there's not actually anything stopping the US government from spying on anyone they want. Especially not via electronic means.
4th Amendment:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
NSA actions are a breach.
>>79700160
It's why he's been hiding in Ecuador's embassy for how many years now?
>>79700205
>obviously change upon public disclosure
>obviously
So you admit you don't KNOW.
Considering the amount of fuckups I saw while working in government, and the lack of REAL change when things didn't work, I very much doubt they'd change much of anything.
>>79700429
As a Jew, whats your opinion on world jewery? It seems like there is some credence to it in many of the most powerful industries (banking, media, etc).
>>79700056
Snowden released many, many documents that had NOTHING to do with domestic data snooping.
Many, many intelligence operations had to be immediately canceled, they learned how to avoid their information being intercepted, etc.
If you don't think this has gotten people killed you're insane.
In fact, I will prove to you it has.
2011: 9086 killed, 16291 injured by islamic attacks worldwide
2012: 11546 killed, 20254 injured by islamic attacks worldwide
2013: 16775 killed, 29577 injured by islamic attacks worldwide
— halfway through 2013, Snowden releases leaks
2014: 32863 killed, 27522 injured by islamic attacks worldwide
2015: 27628 killed, 26150 injured by islamic attacks worldwide
2016 so far: 10920 killed, 13348 injured by islamic attacks worldwide
WOW WHAT A RADICAL COINCIDENCE
I WONDER WHAT CAUSED THAT
>>79700453
Well if we are talking about the same leak it would have been the Department of the Army's job to fix that and I have confidence they would have made the necessary adjustments to not lose a tactical advantage. I mean, its what they do. But I know just as much as you do, and we are both dealing in hypotheticals, but your hypotheticals are what this conversation is based on, so essentially neither of us know. If you havent noticed, I come from a government background as well.
>>79700550
Your logic is terrible, that is not at all how correlations work. If you are so confident try and get this theory of yours peer reviewed by a journal. If your methods are correct you will be hailed a hero by our current government.
Or your methods of drawing conclusions are flawed and you should not do what I suggested. Ill go with the latter.
>>79700490
They're not my people the way I see it, my people are Israelis. I suspect they act this way because they have a religious identity that is stronger than their national identity, while Israelis have a very strong national identity. so I simply don't see them as being connected to us in any way.
Regarding their actions, I dislike what they are trying to push because we are a ethno-nationalist country and in the end of the day Globalism and Zionism are mutually exclusive, not to mention a lot of them tend to be leftist filth.
>>79699908
>Enemies of the state should be put to death, period.
I didn't miss your moronic point buddy, I was just calling you a piece of shit and an idiot. If your precious state suddenly conceived your religion/opinions/beliefs as traitorous, than you would be on a hit list. That's why we have a system of laws and a constitution to protect our liberty and life. But you're actually just a sociopath so its as pointless arguing with you as with a brick wall.
>>79700550
Break it down by months and you might have a point. As it stands, you don't.
correlation=/=causation
>>79700618
>it would have been the Department of the Army's job to fix that
The same one that has studiously ignored the 1970 study on military professionalism ever since it was made at their request and expense?
I'd like to hope they DID sort their shit out, but I would not bet money on it.
>>79700774
Yeah my Jewish friend here in SoCal was educating me on the different tribes. When it came to the different tribes migrating to Israel I asked him which one was most prevalent there.
He said there was one tribe in Israel and everyone in the homeland is a member of it.
Did I understand him correctly?
>>79700865
>>79700710
>i-i-it's just a coincidence that muslim terrorists started blowing literally everything up after the methods used to spy on them worldwide were exposed!
>>79700865
But at the same time you cant postulate the opposite, which is what you are doing. You cant say that there have been lives lost due to that disclosure because while we can hypothesize it occured, we have no evidence.
At the end of the day the Iraqi War Logs were a stupid fucking leak.
>>79681338
Caesar was average height. Hitler was above average height, Mussolini was below average, Napoleon was average height.
I can't believe you wasted my time.
PLEASE CIA !
HIRE ME AND ILL KILL SNOWDEN FOR FREE!
FUCK THESE GOD DAMN TRAITORS!
WE NEED TO GO HARD AS A MOTHER FUCKER NOW!
Seriously.
>>79700963
Causation =/= Correlation bro
Besides, we have upgraded to way better systems, which is the only reason the executive branch allowed that BS bill pass that limited the Intelligence agency's ability to monitor us.
>>79700963
> I...I...I... don't have the data broken down by month, and can't even show that islamists received any of the data or that it had anything to do with their attacks
>b...b...but how DARE you point out the massive logical holes in my argument
You'll call us Russian shills for disagreeing with you now, I expect.
>>79700963
Keep memetexting kiddo that's really gonna drive your stupid point.
NOT!
>>79701108
What he said.
>>79701098
>>79701108
Prove to me that it had nothing to do with it then :^)
>>79700913
To be honest I'm not very religious at all, at least regarding Judaism, I'm pretty much getting closer to Jesus if anything.
But, what your friend said is true now, we are all united under one flag in this nation.
>>79700963
>Snowden's files had any effect on Syria
What's the point in being so disingenuous, you are not fooling anyone and it's not funny either.
It's just shit.
>>79672291
Where's the link to the story?
>>79701167
Thats now how logical debates work. Can disprove something that is not proven in the first place.
>>79701303
I provided evidence that established a link between the two.
You can't just shout "NO THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS!"
Prove to me that there is not a link.
>>79701174
Thats cool man, whatever makes you happiest. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.
>>79699780
So you are claiming weeaboos are naturally born ninjas?
>>79701334
What you posted is not a link which is what 3 of us in this thread are trying to tell you. Causation does not equal correlation. The onus is on you to prove the link, not for me to disprove an unproven link. Trust me, if it was proven the government would have been blaring it on all the MSM stations in order to save face.
>>79699780
I don't agree. To me it seems he became a Russian agent after his initial whistle blowing.
The word agent is very important here. Kremlin admits that Snowden is an agent but they do not admit him being a spy. IRS agents are also agents. If he works in any capacity for any Russian governmental agencies that would make him by definition an agent.
>>79701007
>at the same time you cant postulate the opposite
I can postulate that the DoD culture hasn't changed, and therefore their response to Manning's leak will have been sub-optimal.
I can also postulate that at least in the area Manning was, this caused the deaths of Americans.
>>79701167
That's not how it works. You claimed it did, so prove it. Show us the data, month-by-month, with clear links showing how islamists used that data to target Americans.
You DID remember to only include Americans or American intelligence sources in your dataset, right?
>>79701334
I farted on that same day which means ti eq omjaifwmqofkwj ioqm FUCKW OPQARJIOQ FJFOI OMKQWJYOU
>>79701334
>I provided evidence that established a link between the two.
No, you really didn't.
You're arguing like a teenager.
>>79701336
That's cool. I'm lucky to be born in a patriotic nation like this
>>79700453
4th amendment doesn't apply to email and cellphone texts/calls, just like the second only applies to muskets :^)
>>79701451
Well this puts you in an interesting position, if you are a DOD official you cant confirm what we are discussing. I think DOD wouldnt have cared and it would have fallen upon DOA to fix it and I think they would have fixed whatever needed to be, if anything needed to be after their review of the situation.
>>79701675
>if you are a DOD official
I'm just a shitposter on a Mexican sombrero discussion room. :^)
Snowden is a patriot.
Your traitors reside in the White House
>>79674940
> offer him amnesty and give him whistleblower protection
would that stop other spies? and you think he really wants to come back after this?
> A U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency report declassified in June 2015 said that Snowden took 900,000 Department of Defense files, more than he downloaded from the NSA.[77]
>>79701755
:^)
>>79701616
I know right, no fucking multiculturalism going there.
kill yourself shill
>>79674940
>>79675693
this only proves /pol/'s bias and unwillingness to deal with the truth.
it has been proven to you and shoved in your face that russians started all the leftist bullshit in your country, that they sent edward snowden to destabilize american government, they were the main force behind immigrants invading eu...
and all of this is painfully obvious.
but you refuse to acknowledge that you never really won the cold war, and instead of realizing who your real #1 enemy is, you keep believing the delusion and questioning your countries, not russia.
because all /pol/ ever wants is to be a special snowflake, and if everyone is saying one thing, you will convince yourselves that the opposite is true.
>>79672291
He is a CGI 'Sim'. Politicians played along with this bullshit, just like that stupid Charlie Hebdo hoax parade in Paris.
Everything on TV is fiction.
>>79700550
what a fucking retard jesus christ, mid 2013 is when ISI became ISIL due to scalation of the war in Syria and they called for muslims around the world to join their cause
ISIS cells trade messages via the psn network for fucks sake
not only do you think they employ a bunch of tech experts to build and secure a state of the art network of communications you assume the leaks could've gotten into their hands in the first place
which is impossible because if anyone is allying themselves constantly with islamic terrorists it's the USA already, not Russia nor China
they had to remove some agents and maybe pull the plugs on some operations but that's about as far as damages snowden has caused goes
>>79701899
Not true, but we're resisting. We have our leftist traitors too you know, the notion that there are no people who want this place to be like sweden is just false. They want to integrate Arabs, Niggers, Faggots and the rest just like they want for you and Europe.
>>79702091
Dear god. Why the fuck are people pushing this bullshit agenda? Multiculturalism failed, everyone knows it. Why are people pushing it.?
>>79672291
Here's the real shit
Snowden is a patriot and a hero to the American people because he sudoku'd his life to give the people confirmation of the treachery of our government and the immense scale of their kikeshifting against our rights.
On the other hand, he is indeed a traitor to the US GOVERNMENT because he commit a treasonous act. But let's be honest, does it matter if you are a traitor to the most corrupt organization of kikes and profiteers on Earth? Probably not.
tl;dr the American people and the American government are not the same thing
>>79702091
you have 25% muslim citizens of israel
>Tfw you played FFXI with snowden back in the day
>Tfw you listened to him allude to his position and could tell he was getting increasingly frustrated
>Tfw you know he's not a traitor just a closet weeb and a good dude that wanted to protect people's rights
>tfw we never got our mythics
>tfw a nerd like snowden landed a hot model gf
>>79672291
When privacy dies, /pol/ posters will be the first to go.
Spies only work for themselves, they don't have the sense of "honor" for any country as soldier
That's why double agents exist
>>79672291
It's just like The Americans
>>79702221
Because they hate themselves, their neighbors, their nation and all of humanity.
>>79702239
I meant palestinians who are objectively the enemies of Israelis. I don't have a problem with Israeli Arabs who are good citizens, this country is a true racial melting pot anyway. But they want to integrate people who are antithetical to our culture, "refugees", and they promote degeneracy.
>>79702380
The true villains of our age.
>>79702222
Kek be praised
>>79672291
>supporting the NSA
>On 4chan
>>79702247
pic related
>>79702427
And the world will know it after we'll win this culture war. I will never surrender to them and I refuse to be demoralized.
>>79702521
Amen, I am your brother in arms.
you guys are fucking morons
everyone knew government surveillance was a thing since fucking watergate. guess what, no one gave a shit and nothing happened.
did it affect you? were you somehow anally probed by government officials after they saw you watch child porn or some shit? NO
what snowden did was a huge mistake. he basically revealed what we already knew but didnt want to hear. he shot himself in the foot for nothing because even now no one gives a shit.
in order to save his own hide now, hes probably sold who knows what kinda classified info on government officials and americans and probably even used it to barter his fucking asylum
WAKE UP FAGGOTS.
AND NO THIS IS NOT A LIBERTARIAN BOARD, THIS IS AN ALT-RIGHT BOARD, GET IT RIGHT. THROW THIS TRAITOR IN PRISON
>>79702509
for real? damn.
too bad she'll be a typical Russian babushka by age 30. Maybe it's the climate that makes them age so fast
>>79698773
I genuinely hope you're very young.
Let's apply logic to this, and it should be clear as to why you are wrong. You just stated that you would love nothing more than to kill me and then desecrate my corpse. Admittedly, the feeling is somewhat mutual. Given that, why do you think that people working in the government are excluded from those feelings?
People in positions of power are just as prone to idiocy or corruption as you or I.
>>79694553
No. Being a spy would mean he was on the Russian's side before he stopped working inside the US Gov. That's not what happened. King nigger had a vendetta and pushed him into the arms of the greatest cultural manipulators this side of Israel.
>>79702626
>we knew since watergate
but didn't have any definitive proof of how massive the whole scheme is until he came along
>defending the Jewnited States government
Shalom brother
>>79702797
>but didn't have any definitive proof of how massive the whole scheme is until he came along
YOURE STILL NOT DOING IT EVEN THOUGH YOU KNOW NOW THE SCHEME IS MASSIVE
FAGGOT BITCH NIGGER KIKE WHORE
>>79696300
Haha me too right? Please provide your email address and home address so we can talk about betraying the US
>>79672291
you just a cucked monkey
Snowden is real hero of planet
@79672291
kek
>>79702948
hahahahahahahahahahaha
>>79672291
Traitor -> Prison
>>79672291
>be arrogant nerd
>decide you have a moral duty to expose government corruption, even though everyone knows it exists and simply deals with it because in every huge organisation there is corruption
>know this anyway but because you're an egotistical little shit you tell the world about it anyway
>act surprised when you are rightfully treated as a traitor
>>79700550
Holy shit shill, trying to tie the rising power of ISIS directly to Snowden revealing PRISM is a disgusting miscarriage of logic.
>>79702222
Quads do not lie. You say what we're all thinking.
>>79700008
>He would have been 100% safe in any major EU country because the European Court of Human Rights does not allow extradition for whistleblowing.
As a brit I wouldnt trust the EU on this. EU law seems to be pretty flexible depending on political pressure, especially from the US.
In his shoes I would have done the same thing and gone to Russia/China
>>79702626
Kek. If he just told everyone what they knew already, why bother with all the excessive persecution of him
>>79672291
Gee! What an amazing coinkidink. I have absolutely no reason to be sceptical of that. None at all.
Reminder that if he actually leaked something he wasn't supposed to he would be dead.
>>79703559
Your post is free of any logic
>>79704236
nobody ITT has any idea of the scale of his theft of secrets not just from the NSA but from the military and several governments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Global_surveillance_disclosures
>>79675693
next they will be telling you Ron Paul is a spy
>>79704396
what if he stole things that even the US didnt know about?
>>79703559
>all governments are corrupt
>rightully treated as traitor
>rightfully
>by the corrupt government
great post faggot
>>79702222
Well that's settled. You can't argue with quads.
>>79702222
i hope you realize he also released information THAT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE US, BUT IMPLICATED SEVERAL OTHER COUNTRIES, YOU DUMB NIGGER
>>79672291
Proper sauce or GTFO
>>79704236
because he grabbed literally millions of documents, many of which are extremely classified, unailavle to even our allies to see, and essentially did whatever he wanted with them. who knows what he could have done with them. ill tell you one thing, russia wont grant asylum to just any traitor without gettin something in return.
kek based pootie cucking the cucked states once again
>>79705761
If you dont want your people to 'turn traitor', try treating them better
>>79672291
>The left's biggest hero
Kill yourself, neo-conservacuck
>>79702010
take your meds man
Don't worry US government, nothing to fear, nothing to hide right?
>>79707307
nice non sequitur. do people even know how to argue here.
>>79700550
>>79700963
IF anything there is a way greater coincidence then snowden revelations having to do with muzzies.
How about the fall of Qaddafi and all his weapons hitting the black market. Good GOY don't point the finger at the cunt who is most responsible for the latest muzzie problem.
>>79699780
>Everything surrounding Snowden points to him being a spy, for example his lifestyle as well as his choice line of work.
That may be related to the fact that he worked for the fucking NSA
>>79672291
>The left's biggest hero is a Russian spy
That's what they want you to think about him.
Good goys
>>79672291
It doesn't say he was providing it to them while he was working.
Lets see
>expose government corruption
>Da gubmint gets angry
>run off to another country
>US government still after your ass
>Russia be bros and bring you in
>Want to head back to the Burger Republic but the president wants your head
>Russians will probably pay pretty well for some trivial bullshit
All they had to do was let him come back and put him on the do not fly and revoke any security credentials he had.
Says he is now giving Russia info, not he was a spy.
He was just an idealistic dumb fuck who thought the only reason we put up with this shit is because we just didn't know. We know. We don't fucking care.
Over controlling government isn't the sickness it's the symptom. The people are always the sickness.
>>79672291
Seems legit
>>79702278
>all that ((((())))))
I don't know if this thread is full of shills or people who don't understand the difference between their government and their country.
>>79675693
>This doesn't say he's a Russian spy.
>It says he is giving information to the Russians.
That's the fucking definition of a spy.
>>79672291
I get my information from sources like OPs, because when has a site like OPs ever been wrong?
>>79711988
And grant him immunity to treason charges, which is untenable for non leftists
>>79679106
You just writing that proves that our population is a bunch of boot licking cowards.
>Huur you should know USA does shady shit! HIS fault.
When I heard this I was outraged, more so than anyone else. You're all a bunch of fucking sheep.
>>79714326
Not even that, Snowden said he was fine with a jury court outside of Virginia.
A trial in Virginia isn't a trial it's a verdict.
Snowden is a naive nerd, of course the Russians tried to work him and of course they succeeded.
>>79672291
He is a traitor and a cuck.
>>79701998
>le /pol/ is one person meme
>>79702626
After the proof came out, it was easy to say "we knew this all along." Except that if you mentioned FVEY pre-Snowden, it was considered tinfoil bullshit. The loudest criticism would come from the same people that want to see Snowden swing from the end of a rope.
The US is spying on its citizens through FVEY. Yes, they're doing it poorly. But they shouldn't be doing it at all.
>>79701998
>you refuse to acknowledge that you never really won the cold war
Who says that? It's just Jewish, not Russian.
>>79672291
Doesn't matter. A dark age is coming, anyway.
