I was extremely anti-SJW.
I have watched countless hours of Sargon, Thunderfoot, Molyneux, Paul Joseph Watson etc.
But lately I tried to put my feet on the SJW shoes.
Try and justify Social Justice as much as I can.
And it kinda worked.
I'm no longer anti-SJW.
I think I have a very good case for SJW.
Both SJW and anti-SJW have fallacies that the other side has got it covered but due to their ideological positions they cannot discuss it properly.
Although, I think SJW is slightly more correct.
>b-but look at the crazy thumblr feminists
They are usually underage dummies that spout nonsense.
Example:
SJW: Pay Gap
Anti: There is no PAY GAP!!
SJW: Well there is one look
Anti: Yeah but that's because they choose different careers
SJW: Yeah but WHY do they pick different careers? Because of the overall gender roles
Anti: NO NO NO, THE DIFFERENCES ARE BIOLOGICAL
SJW: Then why every single year the number of women in STEM rises even with minimal effort in promoting?
Anti: It's just a few
SJW: how do you know? How can you generalize so easily? We lived in caves and bashed eachother in the head like it's nothing, look at the wild west, it was filled with white people and they were savages, today we have evolved x100, in each step there were people like you promoting status quo, and saying we reached the limit, but that was never the case.
Anti: WE REACHED THE LIMIT BECAUSE I FEEL OK HAHAH
>>79618241
I never understood the hatred for femenism here. I would gladly trade LGBT's for femenism. /Pol/ hates femenism so much they worship the faggot Milo just because he bashes femenism.
>>79618241
Sure must be boring living in the Balkans..
>>79618241
Just because you are a retard doesn't mean SJWs are not illogical hypocrites.
Remember, all SJW subjects are really a way to push for communism.
>>79618431
>>79618584
plebit
>>79618241
>Yeah but WHY do they pick different careers? Because of the overall gender roles
You havent proven anything.
>Then why every single year the number of women in STEM rises even with minimal effort in promoting?
Red Herring, has nothing to do with a probable wage gaop which does not exist.
Further more, women receive more money from thne State, are favored in schools and spend generally 80% of an households income.
>>79618241
Is there a point to this thread or have you never TL;DR? BORING.
>>79618584
It fucking is.
>>79619088
You're trying to conflate way too many things.
If you know enough about SJW, you'll see judging it anyone who remotely resembles it is no different than conflating right libertarian with a national socialist because "they are both racist XD"
If you actually read their literature, it's solid, it's the actual red pill.
>>79619334
You miss the point, it's not who gets the money.
It's about social evolution, the west is the living proof that we can go from primitive barbaric people into highly civilized individuals, the brain is extremely plastic and the tech around you, the culture, etc is the direct proof of that.
There are still disparaties that can be solved but JUST like any person in any point in history, you just stick to your status quo and yell "fallacy" and "not an argument".
You will never understand if you keep yelling, you must start to listen.
>>79618241
>that strawman
>that subtle "it's the current year" fallacy
Did you just justify brainwashing yourself?
Women don't choose STEM and other higher paying careers not because of "gender roles," but because they choose based on the image the career has. Lurk moar and see how even /pol/ portrays STEM fags, especially engineering.
The only gender roles or "omg sexism" here is that women internalize collectivism at a young age because for some reason they spend their play time socialising whilst boys spend it with sports or fighting. That extreme social bias makes them more perceptible and care more about stereotypes, which is also why they're more racist and sexist and try harder to prove they're not. This is why they're so SJW.
Lastly, the promotion isn't subtle. Women are twice as likely to find employment after attaining a STEM degree than men.
BTW, I've blown you the fuck out. Hang up your balls, drop your fallacy cards, sign out of 4chan and head back to tumblr where you now belong.
>>79619616
TL:DR Feminism/SJW are the correct causes, promoted by naive individuals which give it a bad name.
The case for SJW is that power to actually force the right to act in real life.
They are wrong but they have more consistent morals. Their opposition are usually more degenerate than them. 4chan is a more insidious form of subversion lf morality bexause it provides an illusion of freedom.
And its a good thing that SJWs are trying to shut down games and the internet. They are actually good allies to traditionalists because they will force true right wingers to let go of bread and circuses.
>>79618241
>minimal effort in promoting
>MINIMAL
>EFFORT
>All these outreach programs
>all these tv show
>advertisement oriented toward woman
>free shit for studying in STEM as a woman
>many things I didn't even mention
>ALL THAT
>MINIMAL
>EFFORT
saging in a slide thread
>Greek intellectuals
>>79619755
No, it's a naive cause for naive people fuelled by the fact that it was actually a positive movement until recently (early 80s), where people fail to realise when enough is enough and instead turn things to 11 expecting that to be double plus good superior morality.
It's naive. These people have a complete lack of understanding of virtue.
>>79619705
>It's about social evolution
Progress for progress sake?
Our point is that SJW don't understand the right direction and instead want to continue in the same direction... Right off a cliff.
>>79619705
>There are still disparaties that can be solved but JUST like any person in any point in history, you just stick to your status quo and yell "fallacy" and "not an argument".
Why do you think women would not be inclined to do other careers you fucking sexist? Why won't you let women choose what they want to choose (useless college degrees that require zero effort but make you "smart") en let those who want STEM jobs take STEM education. Stop screaming that there are less female STEMs because of "gender roles" because you are literally oppressing women when you say that.
>>79619705
>You miss the point, it's not who gets the money.
>It's about social evolution, the west is the living proof that we can go from primitive barbaric people into highly civilized individuals, the brain is extremely plastic and the tech around you, the culture, etc is the direct proof of that.
>There are still disparaties that can be solved but JUST like any person in any point in history, you just stick to your status quo and yell "fallacy" and "not an argument".
>You will never understand if you keep yelling, you must start to listen.
Well now your engaging in a totally different discussion buddy.
Furthermore, I am listening. I just think that what you are suggesting is wrong and I show evident and logic for my position.
If I call a fallacy, it is because it is what you are using and it invalidate your point regardless of what you prefer. I want your discourse to be better and to if possible convince me.
I'm not anti-SJW or pro-SJW. I simply don't give a shit. I do however look down on every single one of you faggots who get absolutely buttdevistated over every single thing any random SJW says in every far off corner of the internet. An SJW is just a troll who drinks beta tears, and as long as your keep filling their glass they'll keep winning.
>>79619721
>The only gender roles or "omg sexism" here is that women internalize collectivism at a young age
BECAUSE of existing gender roles all around the society, media, parents, school, entertainment, etc.
>Women are twice as likely to find employment after attaining a STEM degree than men.
That's because they are trying to fill quotas, to SHOW women they can choose it too, because they aren't many in STEM, BECAUSE of social conditioning.
Thank you for proving my point.
>>79618241
>minimal effort
what are you talking about?
If women want to join STEM and go into higher-paying careers more power to them, but the fact is they are not. And it is not my fault that they are not and it is not the fault of society that they make 77 cents on the dollar. These are natural choices made by women, it's not wrong and it's not something that should be fought against.
SJWs fight against reality and they demand that it reflect their ideology and their viewpoint. That's why they are despicable individuals.
>>79619897
SJW are more pure yes, closer to traditionalists, non-capitalist, more in tune with nature and humanity.
>>79620318
>BECAUSE of existing gender roles all around the society, media, parents, school, entertainment, etc.
Those gender roles exist throughout time and throughout almost every single culture on Earth. Perhaps these are just natural differences in gender?
>>79620312
> if we talk about it they win
You can't be this stupid
>>79620318
How do toi deal with the fact that marriage between a man and a woman is the onlt one that produces a stsble family. And homosexuality is completely destructive. I dare you to justify why fags should have the right to adopt children or men change their gender.
>>79620463
Yeah ok, pure b8
>>79618241
Yeah that's great and all but pay debts.
>>79619912
See
>>79620318
>>79619994
Start with the Greeks
>>79620032
>It's naive
I'm not seeing arguments
>Progress for progress sake?
Holy hell man, lets go back to 40 years ago and say "treat black equally? why? just for the sake of progrsess? lol so naive"
Or 100 years "what voting to women? why? just for the sake of progress? lol so naive"
200 years, "what stop slavery? fucking naive senpai"
S.T.A.T.U.S
Q.U.O
FALLACY
>>79619912
The frog's spoken and the shill must shut the fuck up.
i was sjw before becoming anti-sjw because i actually started to use my brain to think and reason all of this points that made an sjw in the first place.
people like you are fucking idiots, you base everything you think from bullshit propaganda from jewtube.
now get the fuck out of my board degenerate piece of shit
>>79620463
Except for the faggot and anti marriage part.
If you took the anti corporate and pro nature views of the SJW and dumped the rest and adopted the morals and social conservatism of the Right then you would be right.
Actually guess what that's called? National Socialism.
>>79619705
no one on /pol/ reads anything academic so no one will agree with you.
The wild west was actually pretty safe, OP. I think you've been taken in by historical fictions.
>>79620463
Also if SJWs are truly anti capitalist why do they push women to work in corporate jobs instead of things like making their own clothes and providing anti consumerist alternatives to the wage slave life entirely?
>>79620072
Also in leadership positions, they are too few.
BECAUSE OF SOCIAL CONDITIONING.
>Social conditioning doesn't matter
THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING IN FRONT OF COMPUTER?
GO FUCKING MURDER A DEER AND RAPE THINGS YOU FUCKING NERD.
Oh you're too afraid? Why? Oh yeah because of social conditioning, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
>>79618241
stop roleplaying and pay denbts
>>79620318
>BECAUSE of existing gender roles all around the society, media, parents, school, entertainment, etc
Which somehow start taking effect at young girls at the age of 6? Ask yourself if this makes sense.
>That's because they are trying to fill quotas, to SHOW women they can choose it too, because they aren't many in STEM, BECAUSE of social conditioning.
So because of something they can't control, men deserve double the difficultly in finding employment just to send a message to women. Sorry, this is fair to you... How? And why is this even necessary? Why not just accept unequal outcome in the face of equal opportunities, which is currently at risk from your moral hazard?
Thank you for proving my point.
You realise how badly you're being BTFO? Not even by me. SJWism requires fallacies, it's why pointing them out to SJWs always leads to "fallacies are just buzzwords" or attempts to belittle fallacies themselves. These people are habitually intellectually dishonest because they have dishonest intentions.
>>79620759
Why ignore my arguments and tell me I had no arguments?
Progress is great.. in the right direction. SJWs don't have the right direction, they're just picking the old one and marching right ahead blindly.
They are virtue signalling, because you're right no one can argue against emancipation or the equal treatment of demographics, but when you start arguing for special treatment to correct something that might not even be a real problem in competitive societies, you're arguing against our definition of equality. Equality of opportunity.
>>79618241
You've already cited all the sources that have clearly explained why you have to go back (to leddit).
>I have a good case fow sjw
> fictional dialogue
FUCK YOU STUPID RETARD.
>>79618241
SJW always want to use force and coercion to promote their shit. (Laws, regulation, subsidies, disciplinary board, intimidation, etc.)
That's why they're annoying as fuck. They're also parasitical in nature since they don't produce anything. So yeah, they suck.
>>79620147
I gave you things to work on.
Can you reply with WHY they are fallacies?
You can't.
You know why?
Because you're just another ideologue that bought into /pol/ meme so hard that you actually believe it's memes.
>>79620312
>Being apathetic, uneducated about the environment I live is the superior way to live, I'll let my retarded neighbors decide for my life
RETARD ALERT
DING DING DING
>>79618241
>It's a "Somebody do my thinking for me" thread
>>79621085
What's the right direction?
>>79618241
Holy shit you're retarded
>>79619912
Literally this. Currently working at a botanical garden and literally everything is "we're making a push to get better representation of women botanists in wikipedia" or "look at this rare book by a WOMAN botanist isn't it great that a WOMAN did science?"
Bitch got upset how Chasing Amy ended
Never got the deep dicking she needed
>>79621260
the right direction.
What's wrong with gender roles?
Men and women are different physically.
They are different hormonally.
They are different emotionally.
With all those differences, why should we expect equal interests, equal duties or equal function?
Roles provide guidelines for people to follow to function in society, create a structure for family units, social gatherings and relationships.
It's no coincidence that the most successful marriages are based on traditional values.
>>79618241
??? You can't refuse people a job because of their gender. it is literally illegal and has been since the 40's.
>>79618241
Pay debts
>>79621304
Also 8/10 of my coworkers are female cause non profit and affirmative action and an entirely female nepotic HR staff
>>79621458
>something is illegal so it never happens
>>79618241
>Yeah but WHY do they pick different careers? Because of the overall gender roles
gender roles are vital for society to function
there's a billion arguments that can be made for them
>>79620032
It was never a good movement it was founded by people who said we should kill all men.
How does that mean it was EVER a good movement?
>>79618241
>pay gag
It's an earnings gap, you fucktard. And exists among numerous variables, not just gender, and if affects men too.
Why did I even bother to respond to this fucking bait.
>>79620445
Welcome to the real world.
The only people who are non-SJW are the people are underestimate the overall societal influence.
>>79620532
That's a huge fallacy and I'll tell you why:
Imagine living in 10kBC and find a time traveling machine.
Go through various countries and jump few decades ahead.
You go throu America, Africa, Asia, Europe for 5 THOUSAND FUCKING YEARS and see slaves, primitive behavior, low culture, women being second class citizens.
You' think "oh wait, that's how the world is, if after so many years shit's the same pretty much, it means stuff like democracy, equality before the law, no owning slaves etc will never work, I mean I have SO MUCH data to prove this duh"
Can you even fathom how retarded you sound?
>>79618241
Fuck off you fucking nigger cuck leftie I fucking HATE YOU, I HATE THIS FUCKING COUNTRY, EVERYONE'S EITHER A FUCKING LEFTIE OR A FUCKING ANARCHIST FUCK OFF YOU INTOLERABLE CUNTS.
EVERYONE'S A FUCKING COMMIE HERE, HELP, I'M BEING CULTURALLY ENRICHED.
>>79621260
That's the question, isn't it?
Honestly, we need to get over this association with modernism and Nazism, specifically referring to the "no pain no gain" mentality. People must accept that some inequality, or pain, is necessary to provide relative incentives to allow others to excel and thus benefit society either through their labour or their taxes.
Social Darwinism and natural eugenics can no longer be terms or ideas that intellectuals scoff at, even people who aren't in the least bit naive. Although it's a bad idea to control our own evolution, the nature of survival and selection should be accepted.
Basically, there must be "evil" in the world, not just relative to good. You must understand: life is suffering.
>>79621658
First wave feminism, in theory, doubled the work force. Third wave feminism, in practice, halved the work force.
>>79618431
I don't hate feminism. It's the bullshit 3rd wave "DON'T ARGUE WITH ME BECAUSE YOU'RE A MAN AND IF YOU ARGUE THEN YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM" feminists that piss me off.
>watching countless hours of ecelebs telling you their opinions
No wonder you got turned so easily, you're an impressionable idiot who let's other people do their thinking for them
>>79618241
>Then why every single year the number of women in STEM rises even with minimal effort in promoting?
>even with minimal effort in promoting
>minimal effort in promoting
I hate SJWs based on the fact that they RARELY shape their arguments on logic, mostly just emotion, which I see as a short-term fix for long-term """"problems""""
>>79618241
bait is too long
1/10
>>79618241
yes, goy, they're the logical ones, fighting for justice and equality and not to feel good about themselves
sage yourself before you kill yourself
>>79618241
What are you even trying to say? There is no pay gap and even if there is a small one, it is mostly because females are statistically worse at negotiating. And there are certainly no females in STEM. I work as a programmer and there are maybe 10 ugly girls in a company with 250 coders and believe me when I say, that the company is trying their hardest to employ as many females as possible.
I'm sorry but there is really nothing to discuss about this.
The only thing that SJW have going for them, is that it might be true, that our society/culture is to some extent responsible for the choices most females make. But then again, what does it matter. Why do we need females in STEM? In general feminists seem to fetishize working. Why? I never understood why they wanna make a career. Most men hate work and only do it because they have to.
No woman will accept a man who wants to be a homemaker. And most people don't want their children to be raised by some stranger at a daycare, unless they are degenerate. That bias against men is the reason why woman choose to work less hours to take care of their children. Then, if they do decide to go the hard charging career, they will be chosen before an equally qualified man. My daughter is studying computer engineering, and I have no doubt she will be hired before any male with the same degree.
>>79620637
>homosexuality is completely destructive
It isn't thought.
>>79620697
fag
>>79620695
That's what a normal person would say if YOU posted your own opinion and you'd be shocked that so few people understand and you'd feel superior.
But it's the type of double standards that you shut down so you don't have to think about them.
>>79620790
>I was x before and then I used my brains to become y
>w-what? you want arguments lol no I just TOLD YOU I USED MY BRAINS
Literally every single ideologue can say the same about any ideology he doesn't support.
Good talk.
>>79618241
pay denbts
>>79618241
>ImAJEu
>>79622146
>Country invents gayness
>calls me a fag
Loving every laugh, Popadopalous.
>Strawman argument
>Concern trolling
>Lives in a failed socialist state
>"both sides are retarded, so you should pick the one I support"
OP is a faggot. Don't forget to apply your perennial evergreen aromatic shrub to the email field.
>>79618241
NOT EVERY JOB IS RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT, PRIVATE CORPORATIONS HAVE THEIR OWN RULES ON WHO TO PAY AND WHAT TO PAY THEM, LEARN ABOUT FREE MARKET CAPITALISM FAGGOT
The bait was pretty good to begin with, but as the post went on it became a little too obvious.
start would be a solid 8 or 9/10
by the end it falls to a measly 3 to 4/10
Good try though.
>>79621446
OP is only right that SJWs are calmer debaters and spend more time being eloquent. Doesnt mean their ideas are right at all. Many anti SJWs are bad at arguing and fall into their trap.
>>79622097
The anti consumerist anti advertising and anti porn attitude that some of the more radical ones have is actually the only one of their good aspects.
But the homo, anti family and anti gender role aspects and obsession with equality as the highest virtue are completely destructive.
Really both the modern left and right have the truth divided and mixed with lies. You need to figure out which points are right on both sides
>>79622269
>>79618241
You're a fucking idiot if you think any group of people is currently being systematically oppressed in western society.
I refuse to accept the ideals of perpetual victims and anti-white racists.
>>79621037
Pay denbts and GTFO. Men are talking
>I used to listen to all of these people
>but now I listen to these people instead.
But you've still yet to come up with an original thought.
Fucking useless.
>>79618241
>that fucking ID
meme magic
>>79622146
So you support gay rights but still call someone a fag. Clearly homosex still has a bad connotation in your mind for a good reason.
>>79620859
>Except for the faggot and anti marriage part.
What kind of ethical metaphysics model you are using to justify that homosexuals are inherently bad?
>>79620984
Actually not even the Victorian England was safe, filled with open bigotry, abuse of the workers and whatnot, anything prior to now is a hell on earth.
>>79621032
Because they are still part of a capitalist country.
SJW promote democratic socialism which works with a carefully controlled capitalist system, like Scandinavia
>>79621046
I literally laughed.
Also why don't YOU pay denbts?
You owe fuckton of money even when adjusted for size of the economy.
>>79618241
faggot
>>79621860
This
Thank you based aussie
SJeWs believe that womyn are mentally the same as men anyway, thats unscientific and pure fantasy
Men work on average more than women, but of course, i don't expect a Greek to know about work.
>>79621037
>hurr durr sOciAl CoNdItIoNinG!!!!!!
No evidence that it is the sole factor. Biological differences are almost guaranteed to to be more revelent. You gotta be retarded to think men in construction industry is related to social determinism more than biological determinism or methodological individualism.
You remind me some insane Norvegian social worker I saw in a documentary who argued that 100% of differences between males and females are due to social determinism. Never heard anyone in a documentary say something so retarded.
>wage gap
Yeah that model that supposedly compares salaries between sexes for every kind of jobs, degrees of risk, experience, education. etc. etc. It's fucking impossible, anyone who pretend to have calculated "the wage gap" without 57 flaws in his model is a lying asshole.
>>79621759
>You' think "oh wait, that's how the world is, if after so many years shit's the same pretty much, it means stuff like democracy, equality before the law, no owning slaves etc will never work, I mean I have SO MUCH data to prove this duh"
and it hasn't worked. all have resulted in the degradation of society. the world would objectively be a better place today if niggers were still slaves and women couldn't vote.
>b-b-b-but we have smartphones now
can someone explain why technological progress has slowed to a halt ever since we started promoting women in the industry and outsourcing jobs to street shitters and dog eaters?
I'm on board for SJW because they still bring facts and evidence, whereas antis rely on conspiracies, pseudoscience, and fringe crap.
>>79618241
the longer I am on /pol/, the more blue-pilled I get
>SJW: Yeah but WHY do they pick different careers? Because of the overall gender roles
So you want lower paid jobs to be paid as much as higher paid jobs.
That's not how the free market works. That's communism.
>>79618241
>the number of women in STEM rises even with minimal effort in promoting
>minimal effort
>government and all stem programs throwing money and female only opportunities around for girls to get into stem
sounds like you're just an SJW and you never understood shit
modern sjw liberalism can essentially be boiled down to the desire to tear apart the society they live in. i personally view this as a negative, but if you're an entitled spoiled brat who thinks that society owes you something, i can see how sjwism would be appealing to you.
>>79618241
Men and women are not equal.
>>79622786
Because this board is a psyop intended to wear you out on redpill and mix truth with lies to shock you until you become completely demoralized and give up entirely.
>>79621260
Not that anon but I believe just enforcing good culutural values and to learn to just see everyone as a person. Destroying ideas that are against these ideals is a good first step (destroying islam) and give equal opportunity to everyone by abolishing affirmative action. I'm half indian and half hispanic and I think affirmative action is really unfair to whites. Almost all my friends are white and they have troubles finding jobs and are constantly made to think that they are bad people for what their ancestors did. Is that a fair society?
>>79622599
RARE
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also based
>>79618241
>the number of women in STEM rises even with minimal effort in promoting
>minimal effort in promoting
are you retarded?
>this thread
>>79621037
The fact that SJWs go on fear mongering only makes it worse for women for they are not accepted because of their deeds or merit but by sole virtue of being women. It makes women unable to stand up for themselves in negotiating higher wages for they are constantly told the myth of a sexist world pushing them down. They are told to whine and whine rather than to actually do something about it
>>79621085
>Which somehow start taking effect at young girls at the age of 6? Ask yourself if this makes sense.
No particular age, that's ship of Theseus fallacy tier.
It's an overall effect.
>So because of something they can't control, men deserve double the difficultly in finding employment just to send a message to women. Sorry, this is fair to you... How? And why is this even necessary? Why not just accept unequal outcome in the face of equal opportunities, which is currently at risk from your moral hazard?
Let me ask you this
If you lived in a society that men were repressed from pursuing certain things and you could solve it by forcing some men into positions so it can lose the social "stigma".
It would be unfair for a time but 50% of the fucking population would have justice.
It's not like the tiny fraction of women that would lose a position would be out of job.
You're being arrogant and absolute, you already PRIVILEGE, so it's easy to speak.
Yeah I know everyone dislikes that word but it doesn't make it any less true.
This post is reaching limit, the next one is where I redpill you on Equality of Opportunity.
>>79622946
I actually think Islam isnt as much of a problem as western decadence.
I dont like Arabs much but really theure more traditional than modern whites and its the Jews and corporations that are the real evil.
Some SJWs see this part lf the truth but fkr all the wrong reasons.
>>79622840
This is pretty much accurate.
>A priori decide "gender roles are bad"
lel. Traditional institutions exist because they played useful roles in their societies. Some of these traditions are probably pointless, but a larger number (ex. having some sort of standardized family unit) are socially useful. SJWs start from the premise that equality of outcome is a necessary and moral end, and then work backwards to say "everything is bad if it doesn't promote this." Their ideal is impossible and doesn't contribute to productivity or social cohesion. Then they take it a step further and decide to actively reshape anyone who doesn't fit their historiographical ideal ("society must move towards perfect equality"). The entire movement is shaped by Maoism, although most aren't even aware of that.
OP is still a faggot
>>79618241
There's no reason to suport the neo-marxist "SJW" people.
But then this is a bait thread isnt it?
>>79623099
Actually youre right in that privelege exists.
Anti SJWs fail because theyre actually still liberals.
Instead a traditionalist should embrace privelege and aocial hierarchy as a good thing instead of whining about reverse racism.
>>79618241
You're straw-manning harder than Ray Bolger.
Women don't get paid less, they earn less.
They chose different careers because they desire different things in life.
Gender roles aren't evil.
Minimal promotion my arse, it's shilled for constantly.
>>79618241
>greek
>doed the old "im le rational smart SJW, look at this MASSIVE RETSRD GOINGNSUSHDBENEJHD
It's the current year. Stop using this shitty meme comic tier plebbit bullshit tactic
IF YOUR EMPLOYER DOESNT PAY YOU ENOUGH: QUIT
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT GENDER YOU ARE
>>79621037
>Social conditioning doesn't matter
nice projecting you shitlord
I'm not saying it doesn't matter but right now people are free to choose while you are saying they are brainwashed and don't have a free choice. Why would you compare it with something totally different like living like an animal.
I converted after seeing Sarkys smooth, beautiful feet.
Real feminism, like the women who are fighting for oppressed Muslim women for example, are totally fine with me. Modern western feminists, like I'm always the victim that's why I dyed my hair blue for example, are total cancer.
>>79618241
Fuck off turkroach
SJW == I want to impose my feelings on your life
Women are free to start their own companies and pay women more.
>>79623099
Whats your view on casual and premarital sex?
Do you like that it has lost all social stigma? Because thst has actually benefited sexist men more than it has women.
>>79621085
Equality of Opportunity works only when a group of people are "socially allowed" to act in a certain way.
Imagine I have two doors, door 1 and door 2, you grow up your whole life thinking that your "kind" is no good for door 1 and everyone will mock you in door 1, everyone will sabotage you there, you grow up simply having ideas put in your head that the door 1 isn't for you in any way, it's subconscious and lasting over the ears, so you pick door 2.
It's easy to say "HEY IT"S EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY" when everything is open for you.
No like a spoiled rich brat wondering why poor people don't have their own private jet.
>>79623099
>If you lived in a society that men were repressed from pursuing certain things and you could solve it by forcing some men into positions so it can lose the social "stigma".
your entire arguments are based on hypothetical scenarios you've made up in your head.
every post you go "well dude imagine if x occurred in an alternate universe, rly makes you think huh"
tell me, what omnipotent force has "repressed" women from pursuing certain things?
>>79623468
>Imagine I have two doors, door 1 and door 2, you grow up your whole life thinking that your "kind" is no good for door 1 and everyone will mock you in door 1, everyone will sabotage you there, you grow up simply having ideas put in your head that the door 1 isn't for you in any way, it's subconscious and lasting over the ears, so you pick door 2.
there it is
>>79618241
>>79618431
>>79619755
kys please.
>>79618241
That's not a pay gap you castrated cunt, it's an earnings gap. Saying gender roles are responsible for females not doing stem related careers is implying there's a systematic discouragement when there isn't, it's quite the opposite where women are typically favored in these fields. If they're not showing up very well then take it up with them, don't turn around and point the finger at society somehow oppressing them. If you're so easily won over by victimism then you might as well be just as mentally challenged as a tumblrite.
>>79623468
>Greece wants equality of outcome
Of course you fucking do. Greece deserves to have as much money as Germany, of course. They were historically disadvantaged and it's not their fault they picked socialism, stopped working, and destroyed their own state. GIB HANDOUTS :^)
>>79621130
¬argument
>>79621173
You know damn well that dialogue has been had a million times over the 'alternative' media, don't pretend otherwise.
>>79621189
>force
JUST LIKE FASCISTS AM I RIGHT?!! XDD
Fascist use actual force, concentration camps and whatnot.
SJW want change your mind, make you see how things really are.
>That's why they're annoying as fuck.
All opposing groups find annoying eachother.
> they don't produce anything.
neither eternal libertarian/Natsoc neets
>>79618241
Threadly reminder to keep saging, hiding, reporting, and reposting this. Stop /pol/ from being shitted up any further by propaganda:
>A concern troll is a person who participates in a debate posing as an actual or potential ally who simply has some concerns they need answered before they will ally themselves with a cause. In reality they are a critic.
>>79623468
Youre right. Equality of opportunity is a lie. But that s actually a good thing. Social hierarchy is a good thing and it ised to be explicitly clear. Before the French Revolution it was the norm. Then people who share some of your beliefs that equality is the most important thing destroyed churches and fucked whores on the altar.
And in reality they werent fighting for justice, but were pawns of the rich elite who wanted to destroy the monarchy so they could exploit the people even more.
>>79623468
This is basically every argument of the immature SJW, fantasy stories where you control every detail so in the end you get what you want because you are the one in control.
>>79623099
>>>79621085 (You)
>>Which somehow start taking effect at young girls at the age of 6? Ask yourself if this makes sense.
>No particular age, that's ship of Theseus fallacy tier.
Uh.. how? We're talking about something incredibly new. Ship of theseus isn't a fallacy, it's a philosophical conundrum more alike the brain in a vat question.
>Let me ask you this
>If you lived in a society that men were repressed from pursuing certain things and you could solve it by forcing some men into positions so it can lose the social "stigma".
Loaded fucking question, and absolutely nothing is stopping women from STEM besides images of fat, hairy men with hygiene issues. It's a stereotype that's stopping them, it's their own prejudices. No one except they can be blamed for that.
Same reason they go into school teaching and nursing: prejudice of caring and kind people.
>You're being arrogant and absolute, you already PRIVILEGE, so it's easy to speak.
See how you lose arguments and instantly go on a holier than thou tirade?
>>79623468
>"socially allowed"
Exactly what is stopping them besides the prejudices they've internalized? Men face these same prejudices as well, it's why douchebags go into business and law.
It's not anyone's fault but their own if they choose the wrong door. People must be responsible for their own thoughts and actions. Failure to accept individual responsibility and individual agency is soft bigotry of low expectations.
You are a bigot.
>>79622751
Like crime stats, brain scans and trends in numbers? Kys all you see is the banter and not the evidence behind it
facts you can easily research to get redpilled
>niggers kill 25x more than
Whites
>women score lower in math sats and iq tests than males, even though womyn get millions of dollars ib support to get a good education
>like one or two women have ever passed the rangers training tests
>communism doesnt work because there is no incentive to work
>the wage gap is a lie, there is only an earnings gap
>around 90% of juveniles are raised by single mothers
>blacks have never accomplished anything as a population
>society enforces biology, any social construct does not exist in a vacuum
>women including feminists, rarely ever apply STEM
>homosexuality and pedophilia are closely linked
>every successful country ran on the patriarchy
>the nazis were extremely successful and they could only stopped by every single superpower in an alliance in a barely decisive victory
>men and women process differently and men are far better at doing one task for a long period of time
>>79618241
>>79618431
>Greek and Canadian shitposters vs Australian and Canadian shitposters
Wew
>>79623702
>Fascist use actual force, concentration camps and whatnot.
Like the SJW AntiFa groups which uses violence against people they believe to be "facists"?
>>79618241
You should understand that an SJW is someone who pursues perceived social justice issues in a fanatical, or cult like way. It involves perpetual warring against an 'other', an 'oppressor', and cast people into roles of victim and victimiser.
>>79620759
we just had a brexit, which 95% of Pol supported.
You are a stupid faggot beta
>>79618241
>Pay Gap
>>women choose less-paying jobs themselves, the fact that they get paid less is wrong
>literally arguing for brainwashing and mind control
If there is a problem and it is being solved, we can just let it take its course. Positive discrimination is also discrimination. What you earn depends on what you are capable of, sometimes nature favours one sex over another on average, deal with it.
Besides if you're going to argue for a nuanced problem while using the same debunked propaganda every time, you are an idiot.
>>79623468
Cry me a fucking river, fag.
If someone is that affected by some make believe social stigma, then they were destined to fail from the start.
>>79621245
Nope, I just told you that we need social progress and you are resistant to change, literally on the wrong side of history.
Just like anti-LGBT people the years before.
And the ones refusing to give up slavery.
This is another one phase and you're too blind to see you're what's wrong.
>>79621270
argument that is not an argument.
>>79621446
Holy wow, you have no sense of history.
Again, lets go back to slavery, you could argue "look, blacks have different skin color, are obedient, behave slightly different, it's natural"
Sure women have different hormonal levels and whatnot but the difference is not great enough to socially exclude them from e.g. leadership positions.
>>79623468
Bitch please, women get accepted everywhere these days. Male nurses are automatically gay etc etc. It's a thousand times harder to be male.
>>79622146
SJW mentality isnt the problem. Having opposite oppinions allows for analise of both and improving of both through competition.
That said SJws today are in no way the competition. They are the status quo and they almost dictate what is ok and what isnt to say. They are being grossly promoted as being the right cause and they act like a true orwelian gouvernment would.
Its not that they think sexism is a thing or racism is a thing(which you could argue they are right because of oru tribal mentality and shit). The problem is that they act in a total destructive way. They yell and bitch and moan and VANDALISE and risk other peoples job for their ideology. Their campainign is destroying and their actions cause mass censorship among most media circles (from steam to reddit to facebook and others).
People should be judged by their actions not their thoughts. You can be the most racist individual as you possibly can but if you offer equal opportunity to the nigger you hate so much than you should be allowed to express your thoughts.
>>79623702
>nazis never accomplished anything
Kys europe was almost theirs
>>79618241
Not an argument.
>>79624104
this. You're either the type of person that visualizes and implements solutions, or you're one of the useful idiots.
>>79624251
>the wrong side of history
I love this argument. Just appeal to to the inevitability of your own success and implicitly threaten anyone who doesn't acquiesce to the narrative.
>>79621883
Nope, feminism has always been awful. Its goal is to destroy the natural family structure and turn women into pseudo-men.
>>79618241
SJWs and the Alt-Right are basically like the communists and the fascists of the last century.
Both sides are angry with the establishment and actively trying to dismantle the centrist rulers, because they see their rule as a failure of democracy.
>>79619705
>the west is the living proof that we can go from primitive barbaric people into highly civilized individuals
literally no such thing.
Western civilisation, as it has been known under that umbrella term, have been the most civilised places on earth since the fall of Cordoba.
There was no wild west, that was a myth created by writers. The deadliest shooting ever was 4 killed, 2 injured in a bar fight somewhere in the dakotas.
You rest your case on ridiculous and inexcusable prepositions that seem harmless but aren't actually true.
Their literature is poorly written and assumes that equality is a zero-sum game. They all completely ignore the give and take of each symbiotic relationship.
Only a truly ignorant person can read any extreme leftist drivel and think it makes sense.
>>79624251
>black slavery is not natural
>more black slaves held by black owners in Africa today than there ever were
The facts are not on your side
>>79621458
See:
>>79620318
>>79621480
How many is it in US? Several trillions right?
>>79621547
Another argument from status quo.
Gender roles changed MASSIVELY over the last century, women went into workforce, voting rights,etc guess what, the west skyrocketed instead of going back or staying the same.
So you have LITERAL FUCKING PROOF THAT YOU'RE WRONG AND YOU KEEP SPOUTING THAT SHIT.
YOU'RE NOT EVEN ONE TINY TINY TINY BIT RIGHT.
That's why you'll always be stupid.
Sjw is a push for Communism.
This is basic ideology.
Read a book.
Also, women are majority in most fields now.
Women have more degrees on average.
Women have statistically lower IQs than men.
Men have satistically higher IQS than previous generations.
Explain that shit.
>>79621759
>The only people who are non-SJW are the people are underestimate the overall societal influence.
>Welcome to the real world
By the time you're in the "real world" you've already become negligent to real change and the desire for it. You're void of any fucking desire to go out of your way to help those you've never met, unless you've spent your childhood nurtured into that mindset through Red Cross groups or whatever.
Not everyone gives a flying fuck about other peoples issues when they've got their own problems.
Welcome to the real world.
>>79618241
Strawman: The Post
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2012-08-13/don-t-blame-discrimination-for-gender-wage-gap
http://time.com/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism/
Also, does anyone remember the name of that Swedish documentary that talks about politically incorrect subjects? One of the episodes was on feminism and jobs.
>>79618241
I have also converted from a hard-right nazi to a social justice warrior. Now I fight for peace and equality instead of hate.
>>79624587
Underrated post.
Seriously i dont see enough of this being posted.
This is the most important argument at debunking the white slaver mentality.
this and the fact that whites BOUGHT the niggers from other niggers
>>79624538
except SJWs don't want to dismantle anything except the imaginary "heteropatriarchy." their mindset is mainstream accepted and wholly pro-establishment.
>>79624104
Social stigma is real and can mean you are treated differently than others in your occupation. Everyone knows that male teachers have to be much more careful than female teachers if they have a class of younger children because any accusation against them is taken more seriously.
I've no doubt that it causes some male teachers to leave and others to prefer teaching older students but arbitrarily fixing that doesn't seem like a good enough justification to further restrict what fairness there is in the current system.
Y'all niggas posting in a bait thread.
Also, Greece pay your debt, you filthy pseudo-nigger
YOUNG KEKS LIVE GET IN HERE FAGGOTS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a48o2S1cPoo
>>79618241
>look at the wild west, it was filled with white people and they were savages,
The wild west is mostly a myth that comes from movies. The real west was nothing like it.
The rest of your post is retarded but I thought I'd point out that gem.
>>79624823
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a48o2S1cPoo
>a48o2S1cPoo
>Poo
no thanks Pajeet
>>79618241
>I have watched countless hours of Sargon, Thunderfoot, Molyneux, Paul Joseph Watson etc.
t. youtube sheeple
In the end it isn't about their shitty ideology or their "righteous" cause.
The way everybody hates SJW's and Feminazis is because they use literal nazi tactics to silence and destroy their opposition, while playing the victim and scrutinizing everyone who tries to play with their rules.
And now people slowly wake up, that the pc-way is total shit and calling someone slurs like racist won't affect them anymore, since all of these slurs lost their effect, after the overuse of them
>>79624822
>pseudo
They are full on turks. I watched a greek-turkish soccer match recently and couldn't really tell them apart except for the t-shirt colors.
>>79621037
>This 3/10 effort
>Getting me to post
About one of the most irrational posts I've read on /Pol today, and that's really saying something.
>>79624822
Thing is my friend i dont think he baits. He posted literlay 10 wall of texts and answers to others. I think he is truly that stupid.
>>79624960
Werent most of the colonists in the US deported prisoners and low income people? So it would make sense that they acted a bit more savage if you ask em.
>>79625033
This.
>>79618241
>Shitposting
It`s not the fault of society that people are unwilling to make their own choices if they think they are unpopular in a modern free democracy.
So get fucked.
How has this not been posted yet?
>>79618241
There are so many flaws in this piece. I don't know where to start. But look, if you re gong to get paid to shill, you should at least attempt to do a good job of it. This was fairly transparent, and mediocre.
>SJW: Then why every single year the number of women in STEM rises even with minimal effort in promoting?
This absolutely incorrect. There is a massive effort going on right now to increase the number of women in STEM fields. MASSIVE......Affirmative action, grade inflation, rewritten curriculum, test scores minimized, etc.
And it is not really changing the overall percentage of females who actually succeed in these fields. It's all cosmetic SJW bullshit.
Also, there is no pay gap. That's another liberal invention.
Grow the fuck up
>>79625083
>mfw soccer is basically white people watching niggers chase a ball around
>>79618241
>equality of outcome
Discarded.
Stay away from the manifesto and pay your debts comrade.
>>79625148
They weren't savages at all. It's a myth. There were no shootouts every week in the saloon.
>>79618241
The most equal countries have women picking more traditional roles.
>>79621842
>HELP I CAN'T BE RACIST OPENLY, I"M BEING OPPRESSED
>>79621905
Those ytbers are the forefront of anti-sjw, and their shit, SJW is the way to go.
>>79622021
They hate you for the same reason, ever thought of that?
HEY CAN YOU LISTEN TO ME?
GET OUT OF YOUR ECHO CHAMBER!!
>>79622027
>b4+4 ;pppdd
That's what I call cognitive dissonance
>>79622072
>HEY THIS IS AN ARGUMENT ;) ALSO SOMETHING SOMETHING JEWS HAHA
This isnt' reddit you wont get internet points for sticking up for the echo chamber.
>>79622135
Glad you agree with me.
>>79622156
Dude what are you doing here, go lock up the scotts, they are leaving.
>>79625251
Yeah im not saying that they did the literla hollywood style of violence.
But as i remember they were in fact mostly deported criminals and people looking for a new future.
>>79618431
I think the fundamental ideas of feminism are cool. It encourages women to be something more and to actually do something with their time and lives. And the feminists in the old times were veey modest. It is the cultural and technological change that made them lazy and entitled. And instead of doing something useful, they just bitch and complain and walk around the streets naked to protest slut shaming.
>>79625179
Because it's a meme and thus an empty argument that tries to win a discussion by oversimplifying the problem at hand.
>>79624639
She won't explain it, they have too much confirmation bias to fit anything that might challenge their ideas into their head
>>79618241
Emotionally they make sense be nice to people the poor get a high quality of life but logically it just doesn't work and when they try and force their beliefs on other's people will just start believing the opposite
>>79624538
This is true.
Its why monarchy was better.
![45fae4c58ae05f1a2ee2bc09ed6674ab[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jSR9rSa.jpg "45fae4c58ae05f1a2ee2bc09ed6674ab[1].jpg")
>>79625231
Modern day circuses, chimps still included.
>>79625340
>More youtube something
You have to be over 18 to post here.
>>79619705
Did you watch some cowboy movies and you think it's real?
>>79623468
>Equality of Opportunity works only when a group of people are "socially allowed" to act in a certain way.
Yeah, SJWs do exactly that, impose the limits of socially allowed.
>woman actually wants to be a housewife
BRAINWASHED INTERNALIZED MISOGYNY
>man wants to be rugged and muscular
TOXIC MASCULINITY OPPRESSOR CISMALE
>black person disagrees with Obamacare
LOL UNCLE TOM, YOU'RE NOT BLACK ENOUGH
>white person wears bindi
APPROPRIATION WHITE PRIVILEGE
>gay opposes another darling of the left - Islam
FAKEQUEER ISLAMOPHOBE
SJWs just want to be in control and be the "gatekeepers" of culture. They're called "warriors" for a reason, it's a reference to utter blind, stupid devotion to a cause, what some would could "crusader". The State or the omnipresent "group" should decide who is right and wrong for them.
Black people or gay people or women actually have more opportunities if they're instilled with the values of hard work, learning, ambition and entrepreneurship and yes, free market capitalism. Champagne socialist SJWs screaming down their neck about how oppressed they are and will never be able to accomplish anything because the STRAIGHT WHITE PATRIARCHY is keeping them down does the exact same opposite. When you demand higher taxation to make everyone equal, you aren't hurting the megacorps and their corpocratist pocket politicians, the same ones arguing for social justice. You're hurting the middle class, ordinary people that got well-off thanks to their hard work. America used to have a much larger black middle class, before the progressivist welfare class destroyed it, cause they needed more voters.
>>79621037
Also, that's false; for instance, in the US, there are more female than male corporate executives, though that trend may soon wane with how much they've fucked several top corporations.
>>79625631
No there aren't more female executives.
Relatively few CEOs are actually females.
>>79625340
If racism is a scientific theory and you cannot stand for it openly that is oppression
You think like medieval round-earth-censorers
>>79624703
This is the documentary:
http://youtu.be/p5LRdW8xw70
Check it out. It explores why women and men are, on average, interested in different things despite living in the most feminist country on earth, Sweden (not memeing, it's regarded as the most feminist country).
>>79625231
Bad news Finland: That's basically all ball-related sports.
Is this the new "I used to be a X supporter but then..."?
>SJW: Then why every single year the number of women in STEM rises even with minimal effort in promoting?
This is incorrect. Every time there is a rise it's because of initiatives like affirmative action, and it usually hits a ceiling after a bit. Go watch the documentary "Brainwash". Norway is one of the top-rated nations in terms of gender equality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiJVJ5QRRUE
>>79625360
>And the feminists in the old times were veey modest.
Pic related. They always had problems, they just had some goals that could be considered valid in terms of rights, now they don't have that anymore, and the cultural and technological changes you're talking about, coupled with their influence on academia and media (like the new outreach with the internet) has made them more obnoxious to the average person.
>>79625900
Handegg is pretty white, at least here.
>>79624703
I love that picture.
It's fuel for the fire that SJW and feminists only target computer science and engineering for "more women" because of the prejudices surrounding those fields. There are plenty of industries with as much gender inequality, both high paying and low paying, in comparison CS/Eng isn't really all that special... Besides the horrible stereotypes surrounding the workers, even then only the white male workers.
If I haven't convinced you that "more women in X" is an idea entirely motivated by bigotry against white men, wow, I'm not even sure what else to say.
Women hate engineers, read the Dilbert comics and it's just everything actually wrong with engineering: more often than not the people who aren't even engineers.
>>79618241
You allowed yourself to be conditioned. You are a greek sodomite.
You will have better luck with this nonsense on reddit or at a romantic dinner with your boyfriend.
>>79618241
You are a fucking retard. If you really want to understand this stuff you should read this.
http://scholars-stage
.blogspot
.com/2015/09/honor-dignity-victimhood-and-death-of.html
TL;DR: The federation or small low level government used to be the proper way to resolve disputes. As we became a more amalgamated body politik those low level city halls and churches are no longer adequate in solving whatever disputes new political identities may have. It is now the state or the big national or even international political institutions that solve our problems. Not everyone has access to these institutions of power so the greatest way to be heard is to adhere to the "human rights" ethos of our zeitgeist. Or whoever complains the loudest wins the most.
This explains our modern political world so much. Is it any surprise why this woman got to go all the way to the UN to complain about her shit?
This in a way is THE justification of "social justice" politics. If you are not complaining you are not winning. And denying anyone their right to complain is denying them the only avenue the average pleb has to solving their modern political disputes. Identity politics is here to stay and even white people should AND WILL play this game.
>>79618241
>lmAJEu
>>79618241
Get a job you fucking faggot
>>79622339
At least we didn't invent disgusting teeth.
>>79622356
>if the opposition has no argument he complains about it
>if the opposition has an argument he complains and calls it "strawman" or "fallacy"
You'll never get out of our ideological hole you have dug yourself into.
>>79622404
Exactly, if we educate society as a whole, companies will also follow suit.
>>79622412
Ah, a British "argument".
>>79622463
Not oppressed in a traditional sense.
Imagine having 2 children, you love the older child but you care little about the younger, you simply give no attention, always prioritize the older etc.
It's not "oppression", but it's unfair, one should care for all his children, or at least try to pretend, so the younger kid doesn't grow up with issues and kills himself.
>>79622484
>every person must create a new ideology and political system, no two people can have the same political system/religion/ideology
What?
It defeats the purpose.
For example, treating blacks like human beings, is an idea that was developed hundred+ years ago, it's useful and I think it's the correct and fair one, what's the point of having an alternative attitude towards black people?
Having set of morals/ethics isn't the same as your itunes list you literal dumb individual.
>>79625977
>>79625843
It's Norwegian. Swedish television wouldnt show it.
>>79619705
>If you actually read their literature, it's solid, it's the actual red pill.
This is how you show yourself to be a liar.
Go to any SJW gathering, be it a BLM protest or a feminist gathering or LGBT party, and ask "how can the free market help (insert pet issue here)?" And see what response you get.
Every cultural marxist tenant is designed to insert communism into a culture without mentioning the economic aspect until it has already been adopted.
>>79626217
Life isn`t fair. Now kill yourself.
>>79626217
Could you please comment on:>>79626080
I actually want your opinion, do you concede that it's entirely possible much of the current activist feminism actually is motivated by negative stereotypes towards white men? If so, hasn't feminism became the very most it was intended to fight?
>>79623468
>Imagine I have two doors, door 1 and door 2, you grow up your whole life thinking that your "kind" is no good for door 1 and everyone will mock you in door 1, everyone will sabotage you there, you grow up simply having ideas put in your head that the door 1 isn't for you in any way, it's subconscious and lasting over the ears, so you pick door 2.
Man, I can't believe I didn't actually go over this.
You know who's calling for racial segregation these days and not prosecuted for it? SJWs.
SJWs are the ones calling for racial-segregated spaces, disrupting dissenting opinion, actually shaming minorities that disagree with the party line, judging people on basis of their skin colour and not their character (I'd imagine MLK is rolling in his grave that people are actually willingly calling for racial segregation these days), excluding gays from LGBT organizations, because they're male and thus not oppressed, giving women position because of their sex, etc, etc
SJW rhetoric is often indistinguishable from fucking stormfront. I'm surprised you actually watched Molyjewx and Sargon and yet still can't see this. SJWs have no endgame, it's the same as the Jacobins in the French Revolution or the Bolsheviks. They will keep tearing down the structure until there are no more external enemies of the people and then they devour their own.
>>79618241
>OP
>Sympathy case for SJW's
>See Flag
>TFW Oldest recorded evidence of faggotry.
>Checks out.
>>79626217
>companies will also follow suit.
That already happens, you don't seem to realize that corporate feminism has been a thing for decades especially in the US after Reagan. "Women in the workplace" was supported by the government and corporations, because it meant a larger pools of workers. and as a result more consumers, lower wages, more income tax, etc. The myth that it isn't supported institutionally and that you're punching up is harder and harder to believe especially now.
>>79618241
sjw'ism is the product of relativism and post modernism, the foundations of all their wackery aren't very solid at all and it all falls apart from the start. Critical theory is flat out stupid from the core. SJW = relativist egalitarians ANTI = objectivist anti egalitarians, pick one
>>79618241
For you goyim
>>79625543
Seems to have worked well enough for the Holocaust
>>79626217
>For example, treating blacks like human beings, is an idea that was developed hundred+ years ago, it's useful and I think it's the correct and fair one, what's the point of having an alternative attitude towards black people?
Black underperformance has nothing to do with how they are treated and everything to do with their genetics. There is simply no government program that can lift their collective IQ. And millions of people's lives are ruined by the evil, inefficient policies enacted by troubled SJWs in the name of correcting something that they can't.
>>79618241
Nice bait, I guess.
If you're sincere, then this isn't a bad mindset to have to practice argumentation. However, you've conveniently stripped the opposing side of facts which makes me think you never fully understood the anti- side of the argument at all.
First off, the campaigns to get women into STEM aren't minimal and I think you know that. Now examine which STEM fields are actually growing with increased female participation. It's pretty much only biology (and psychology if you're willing to classify it as STEM). Chemistry, physics, and engineering are still devoid of women despite years of pushing them into it. If you breakdown the increased number of women in biology/psychology even further, you notice that they gravitate towards healthcare as opposed to research based aspects of these disciplines.
This trend only further strengthens the biological determinism argument that the anti- camp usually espouses. Women are only noticeably increasing in aspects of STEM that involve a great deal of human interaction, care, and empathy.
Socialization due to gender roles is also a bunk argument given that STEM gender gaps still exist, and are sometimes wider, in so-called egalitarian havens such as Norway, Sweden, Denmark, etc. There's no point in pushing for a new status quo, especially if that involves positive discrimination and the lowering of educational standards, that will simply rebound towards the previous status quo.
There are literally no institutional barriers preventing women from picking up a science textbook, or applying for a STEM major at their academic office. Only feminists and SJWs push for this while most women are content with having the agency to choose their own career path. If THEY, and not simply anti-SJWs, feel okay with this, then what crime has been committed?
>>79622516
Holy shit what are the fucking odds
Meme sorcery confirmed
>>79622522
Bantszzz
>>79622595
>science
It's science when it suits you.
When azns or jews have genes that promote higher intelligence then it's "unscientific"
Bluest of the pills.
>>79622599
>Literally known EU-wide to be thieves
>lectures about work
How does that work?
>>79622623
>NO EVIDVDNIENCE HUR DUR
>BUT!!! TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, IT WORKS WHEN MY OPINION IS ON THE LINE!!H HAH
How can you not see the irony?
I have seen that documentary.
It's not 100% but it's small enough that with enough conditioning the difference will be virtually nonexistent.
>>wage gap
Learn to read dummy.
>>79622629
>the world would objectively be a better place today if niggers were still slaves and women couldn't vote.
Edgy and unless you're brain damaged you very well know that is simply evil.
If not then don't complain about jews controlling you.
>>79622786
Did I changed your mind?
>>79626682
I kek'd so hard my sides went atomic
you meme'd too well, soon the great nations of the south will be destroyed by the shockwave of keks
>>79620318
>BECAUSE of social conditioning.
What social conditioning?
>>79626217
I read your posts. It seems you have bought into the morality of the emancipation of identities from the "oppression" of a hierarchically organized social world. But lets be honest, where would that all lead us? I think if you were honest you would admit that in the back of your head there is a fear you have that this will only lead us to chaos and further division and strife.
Consider my post >>79626108
I think identity consciousness is here to stay with us forever which I am sure you agree with as well. All groups are growing a consciousness to the social constructs and rules imposed on them. Women with feminism, blacks with white supremacy and even whites with white nationalism, white identity politics. I think this is an inevitable trend. People are more aware of social constructs and are extremely adverse to them.
I was thinking about this when I thought about how a world after liberalism would look like. How can a traditionalist "fascist" regime even last if the class/identity consciousness that allowed the French to revolt in the French revolution exists? It would have be done in an extremely brutal manner.
Still though I think this presents a new opportunity to us because as I said all groups are seeing themselves awakened to the social constructs and rules imposed on them by society. This is the true meaning of equality I think. Constant war at every vector of humanity because everyone feels the need to emancipate themselves from the social world imposed on them that they have no control over.
This is wrong, you omitted the scientific evidence of why women choose different fields of work than men, and also the fact that you portray one side as frantic and frustrated and the other side calm cool and collected makes your argument look dumb and one-sided.
>>79618241
I work a commission sales job. The women always earn way less and they can't bitch about it because the system is fair. It's great.
Commission jobs are a good answer to feminism. Really, why do societies have wages in the first place? Everything should be merit-based.
>>79618241
>everyone in the world keeps saying you can be whatever you want to be
>this somehow forces women to pursue careers meant for women
Kill yourself
>>79622791
>What? No long 16 hour shifts? Goddamn that's communism, not free market
Cya
>>79622825
>pick one tiny bit of info, twisted until it agrees with your narrative
That's how delusional people stay delusional.
There must be an initial social conditioning to shift the overall culture.
Just look how gays became widely accepted in the west, just within few decades, they they were considered to be mentally ill/criminal for millenia.
And it was done with homosexual propaganda in media and film.
In that propaganda probably some straight people lost some opportunities but overall we became more accepting and now we don't drag homosexuals with horses and kill them on sight.
How can you not see that?
>>79618241
I used to be a full on SJW.
I divorced myself from the movement because it's only ever about women (I'm one myself). What about men? All they ever go on about it "toxic masculinity". Yet men kill themselves, are unhappy, are faced with insane double standards but that apparentely is not a problem. Masculine men are still those that get laid most, and the "feminist men" are generally insane, or completely at odds with themselves. Then what? It's not just the men's attitude towards women that need to change, their attitude to men too.
It's been going to weirder and weirder places with the whole genderqueer crap.
It's become increasingly about not getting your feelings hurt the slightest with safe spaces and pronouns.
Meanwhile identity politics have polluted everything. You can have an Ahmed come in and complain about kuffar and nobody will say a bloody thing because colonialism and minorities.
That's not the feminism I signed up for.
>>79618241
Your "example" is a ridiculous strawman.
Yes, there is obviously a wage gap and yes there are obviously biological differences that largely lead to the difference in career choices as well as differences in the way children are raised.
It's easy to say gender roles are a social construct and it's all about how the children are raised but anyone who has ever seen a child will know that boys and girls are different.
And sure, there did use to be a stigma against women in STEM but not anymore and the issue is that some feminists push for perfect 50/50 quotas while many keep pushing for women to study "women's studies" and other such drivel rather than simply letting women choose what the hell they want.
Much of the "sex discrimination" is caused by the feminists.
>>79626080
>horrible stereotypes surrounding the workers
I'm female and studying computer science and the stereotypes are mostly true. It's ugly, smelly, autistic men and women as well as Asians.
>>79618241
>If I type in all caps for the other side that will make them look silly and I will win the argument
>>79618241
Real example:
SJW: Wage Gap
Anti: There is no wage gap.
SJW: Well there is one, look at this analysis that ignores maternity leave, career choice and hours worked!
Anti: But that's because of maternity leave, career choice and hours worked.
SJW: No, people literally pay women less for the same job!
Anti: No they don't.
SJW: Shut up sexist!
I have 0 belief this isn't a troll thread, because it even misrepresents what SJWs believe.
![5e038db7ebc871affa8b09c6b06d16d7[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/TSpkd3r.gif "5e038db7ebc871affa8b09c6b06d16d7[1].gif")
>>79618241
Nice thread, faggot.
KEK, please remove this anon's posting privileges for today.
>>79628119
No, you're a bigot with confirmation bias.
I shower daily, I work out, I eat right, I'm regularly described as friendly. What you see is what you expect because you're just so prejudicial. I'm not alone, there's even a derogatory term for it: brogrammer. Most white engineers I went to uni with also worked out and had social lives.
Most men in engineering who aren't trolls will say how friendly other engineers are. It's a common comment because they were told otherwise.
>>79618241
The truth is White/Anglo/European people make up less than 5% of the world's population, making them the real 'minorities' on the planet.
>>79628362
>this isn't a troll thread, because it even misrepresents what SJWs believe.
lol, SJWs misrepresent what they believe all the time, especially to themselves. Nobody can tolerate that level of cognitive dissonance without constructing a narrative around how it's "really" the way they say it is and even the facts are sexist.
>>79622840
Again, every brand of ideology thinks other brands want to "tear down what's good and decent".
Can you for once think out of your bubble?
>>79622863
No one is "equal" but we should all be treated kindly, have the same standards of life etc.
>>79622975
>LE MINIMIAL EFOFORT AHHXHHAHHDHDH
Jesus christ son, it was addressed and answered many times over.
What you consider minimal or maximal is entirely different story, the message is still the same.
Social conditioning is needed to grow out of blinding stereotypes.
>>79623096
You watch too much Sargon.
>>79623263
You should be proud of you country blondie, they are leading the way.
Although I blame Sweden for very bad assimilation strategy.
>>79623312
All those addressed and BTFO
Ty for your reply.
>>79623318
>HAHA JUST QUIT
I'm not a new york hipster with rich parents, if I quit I die of starvation.
>>79623359
You simply underplay x1000 the power of deep rooted social conditioning.
>>79618241
>against free speech and the free exchange of ideas
You cannot hope to find the truth without these things. You're literally evil.
>>79628119
>>79628445
oh shut up, you're both right in a way.
of course programmers tend to be ugly and/or autistic. Just accept this. But it's because of the nature of the job, not because they intentionally only hire ugly autists. It just so happens that a lot of autists are good at programming. Most companies would still rather hire a non-autist if they were more competent technically. Also most of the women in tech are Chinese and Indian, Because their cultures encourage it. White women are actually the minority within women in tech, and it has a lot less to do with anti-female bias and more to do with Asian culture
>>79618431
1st wave feminism is the root cause of so many of the first world problems.
>>79628844
By "accepting" it you essentially accept the reasoning behind making it twice as easy for women to get jobs.
>>79628905
This is definitely the case. 1st wave feminism is also a self destructive ideology, either Islam or the pendulum swing will destroy it.
>>79623422
You sound very knowledgeable.
>>79623437
anti-SJW = I want to continue the imposed social standards that got started centuries ago because it suits me.
Disgusting egoist.
>>79623450
The men were never stigmatized for being promiscuous, ONLY women, to the point of suicide in some cases.
So yes, I like it.
>>79623480
Nope, I used tons of historical examples, clearly because it doesn't suit you, you dismissed them.
My russian friend, the "hypothetical imaginary scenarios" is what we the western people call "analogies", "examples" etc it's an intellectual aid for retarded people like you.
You're like a disabled person who can't walk complaining that we bought you a wheelchair.
tl;dr You're dumb.
>>79628905
>1st wave feminism
First wave feminism is the effect gynocentrism, which is a biological preference for women help by both men and women.
>>79629191
you think she'd be more pissed off if it did or if it didn't?
>I can grow my pit hair and you can't stop me, don't try to stop me or we're gonna fight
>Look at how I've grown my pit hair! Why aren't you trying to stop me? PAY ATTENTION YOU SEXIST!
>>79627902
Can you not see that the things you are asking for betray the principles you stand for?
>Lets get half women half men in leadership roles
>Cool. How we gonna do that?
>Well lets fire men and hire women.
>Ok but what did those men do wrong?
>Oh nothing...but its for a higher purpose
This is the premise you idiots function on. I agree with the end goals but the way SJW's approach it is entirely wrong.
Lol. It's not a question of whether the wage gap exists. It's a question of whether it's a problem, and even a man made problem at that. The single biggest reason why it exists is motherhood. A mother, no matter how hardworking she is, cannot compete with an equally hard-working non mother in the economic playing field, man or woman. Because nearly every woman is a mother, women will always have the wage gap. And that's OK, because it's get choice to do something more important than a job- she's raising the next generation. The wage gap myth is that it's an issue. Feminists just use it as ammo for their gibmedis and gibmedat agendas.
>>79618241
>>79618431
Let's play guess from where the Shills came game.
They don't have awful grammar so it's not Stasi.
They seem to have plebbit type grammar and phrasing.
They are also pulling the middle ground fallacy.
I am guessing plebbit.
>>79618241
You realize SJW's are useful idiots to help the establishment of the Jewish race rule? They are useful idiots who will be disposed once they have established themselves as rulers of this earth.
>>79629404
These people exist to be pissed off.
If you are disgusted, she gets mad, because you hate her "natural body."
If you don't care, she gets mad that because don't care about her brave act.
If you are attracted, she gets mad because you "sexualize" her.
You always lose, so just ignore the attention whores.
>>79629653
Yeah, I think plebbit too.
>>79623676
Your type of argument has been addressed and BTFO in this thread, if you want read it if not go back to your vicious cycle of self correcting thought.
>>79623682
>Equality of outcome
Strawmaning the fuck up in here.
1.We want equality of opportunity
2.We recognize that society unconsciously cannot allow that.
3.So we create a temporary equality of outcome so we can have a natural equality of opportunity later.
This has been addressed multiple times now fuckface.
>>79623714
>Hates SJW for censoring
>Does the same and then some
A fanatic, you are.
>>79623763
ARGUMENT
NOT
AN
That's tinfoil rage
HUDRU YOU WANT TO CONTROL U BAD PPL X((
Come back when you have an sensible thing to say.
>>79623833
It isn't a fallacy you dummy but it can be used as a fallacy you dummy, just like you did, you silly silly dumb retarded person.
> absolutely nothing is stopping women from STEM
That's why you're the problem.
You can't see the obstacles that don't apply to you.
You're a kid, your parent is a Japanese imageboard.
>See how you lose arguments and instantly go on a holier than thou tirade?
But you fucking are you fucking retard.
You have amassed social capital your forefathers had.
If you don't understand this then you wont understand any of it.
It's like trying to teach evolution to fundamentalists.
>It's not anyone's fault but their own if they choose the wrong door.
Yeah, when slaves were obedient it was totaly their fault for simply not fighting back. simple.
>>79629949
Bitch answer my assertion. Protip: you can't
low quality bait
>>79629949
Do you even believe the stuff you say, or are you simply wasting your and everyone else's time?
Either way, consider that you are making 0 sense and thus are making 0 impact on anyone's belief.
Also, KYS.
>>79629673
>You always lose, so just ignore the attention whores.
That gets pretty difficult to do as they march through the institutions. We should have stood up to them when they took over the universities, not when they tried to ruin video games.
Either way, it's important that we keep standing up. They'd rather see everyone live in shit than let a white man work a shovel.
Is this the tumblr raid?
>>79618241
I was SJW friendly, a confirmed comunist and I hated Fascism and Capitalism.
Then one day I grew up and I started to understand the world we live in.
Try being pro-SJW when you will be bashed and humilliated just for being a heterosexual white man.
Try not being racist when going for a summer job and every spot being occupied by muslims, leaving you no option but to pick an even shittier job so you can pay your studies.
Try not being anti-comunist when every single left-minded politic in your country is a populist and a liar who uses the already established despair of the people to fuel their campaign while mindless Twitter/Tumblrites applaud them.
Try to not wish for censorship when you think about having kids and the world full of filth they will have to live in.
As a friend of mine who was older than me said, "you'll grow up of this". And he was damn right.
>>79618241
>I've never personally been around these insufferable people: The Post
>>79630236
Nah. The terms and grammar they use are clearly plebbit.
>>79630156
I don't mean ignore them politically. I mean ignore in person.
>>79627902
Just because it's change doesn't mean it's progress. Homosexuality eventually pushes women into becoming sex objects. Cultural acceptance of marriage as being between a man and a woman creates stable families that produce better children. Without the family, people are less likely to have weak virtues and more likely to seek out the stabilizing effect of an authoritarian state.
Religion is also detrimental to the state, especially one that teaches solid Christian values. Homosexual acceptance is also an attack on the bible too. "The bible says not to be gay, so it must be wrong!" says the statist trying to expand his power.
Decades ago gays were not being killed in sight or dragged by horses, try learning some real history, not just feelings oriented propaganda trying to push a narrative.
Some other themes within the SJW movements:
Freedom from consequence.
Aversion to responsibility.
Blind faith to the cause.
Isolation from dissenting facts and opinions.
Imposing on others what you whim.
Rejection of anything proven to be successful on the basis that traditions must be bad.
Constant flux in language to better control discussion through redefinition of words.
>>79630236
>raid
One sad guy who wastes hours on creating pointless replies.
>>79623976
>comparing the violent intolerant, murderous fascist people to SJW
If an abductor abducts a person and then I call the police to throw him in jail, is the police man an abductor too?
No he isn't, he's STOPING a criminal.
SJW don't discriminate to other people, only to people that WANT to discriminate.
How are you not getting this?
>>79624013
And you realize an anti-SJW is someone who refuses to understand the minute but far reaching social roles in a society?
>>79624021
Which proves my point.
>>79624050
Already addressed.
>>79624104
That's the most intellectual obnoxious thing I've read in this thread.
The entitlement is astounding.
What about real life examples?
Like children from abusive households grow up to be fucked up, suicidal, damaged etc.
What if I go back in time and look at the child and say "let him be, he was destined from the start to fail"
That's exactly what you're saying while in your high castle.
You primitive pile of dirt.
>>79618241
Pay gap myth. Nice. You changed my mind.
>>79629028
So? Your intelligence enabled you to get a job in that field. Me happening to be born of a certain sex also does something similar. It's a lottery called nature. If we're both capable in our fields and there's an aspect favoring me then that's the way it is.
Also I didn't mean to offend you. While I said that the stereotype is mostly true some of the most decent people I know happen to be engineers/computer scientists.
>>79629689
>>79618241
>Implying 1 or the other
>Implying those are blanket statements for either side.
>Implying your informed.
You imbecile. Anti-SJW isn't really a thing. Nobody is just there to say that SJWs are wrong but I believe some ideals that Sjws are an obstacle to. I believe they are obviously impractical implications of their own belief system, although it may be a sign of greater things to come. People are warped with their hypothesis concerning the present, when it's typically future generations that determine the true nature of this SJW movement. Many civil right's movements appear to be lewd or in some cases, violent. I am not anti-SJW, but I sometimes stand for the basis of other things that SJWs are challenging.
>>79618241
Has it ever occurred to you that women don't belong to the workforce. And the only reason they are there is because following WW1 Industrialists, Factory Owners, Bankers and the Government saw that they could drive down wages and increase production meaning higher profit.
>>79630564
The difference is yours is artificial and having a vagina doesn't mean your code is better.
>>79622437
>OP is only right that SJWs are calmer debaters
Have you ever seen one debate, they believe screaming over your opponent equates to being right
>>79629949
>It isn't a fallacy you dummy but it can be used as a fallacy you dummy, just like you did, you silly silly dumb retarded person.
This is clearly bait.
>>79630398
Oh, well in that case yes, you're absolutely right.
>>79618241
Anti-Tranny
Pro-Homo
Pro-feminism in a non-financial sense, (No wage gap cuck meme)
Anti-BLM
Anti-Migration
