Give me some books that /pol/ would agree with.
I'll start:
Atlas Shrugged
1984
The Wealth of Nations
>>79617861
>Atlas
not /pol/ approved. retard approved. regardless of the woman's philosophy the book is a turd
>>79617861
brave new world is better than 1984
try
crime and punishment
that is a great book
also war and peace
>>79618606
The Road to Serfdom worth buying?
>>79618719
Read Crime and Punishment, great book though found the translation quite heavy.
Brave New World, I'll add to the list.
>>79617861
I see the value in Atlas Shrugged but you are really far off the mark saying it's /pol/ approved.
Ayn Rand is not popular here. A lot of people see is fedora tipping tier.
http://www40.zippyshare.com/v/3ZCs5Fon/file.html
Reminder that Ayn Rand spent her twilight years living off social welfare.
http://www55.zippyshare.com/v/2x4eo2fy/file.html
>muh roads
>>79619419
That again. She advocated rational self interest. She also saw tax as theft. She also spent years paying in.
Sounds like it was in her rational self interest to take back some of what was taken from her, doesn't it?
I don't see her people who bring this same thing up can't wrap their head around that.
>>79617861
/pol/ is not a libertarian board, its a natsoc board. Ayn Rand is absolutely not approved.
Pic related is what every /pol/ack should read.
>>79617861
Posting it until it sticks
>>79619656
>She also saw tax as theft
And yet she was a minarchist who believed the government should monopolize the use of force and control the police, courts and military. How would those services get funding, I wonder, if not through taxation?
>>79619419
She spent her twilight years getting her own stolen wealth returned to her.
>>79617861
(((Ayn Rand)))
I don't think so bud.
>>79617861
>1984
You realize most of the people here honestly believe we need a nationalist/fascist government, right?
>>79619656
>She advocated rational self interest
No she advocated greed. There's a difference.
>>79620000
>nationalist
not a bad thing
>fascist
1984 was communist
the yurope novels are a kafkaesque parody of modern liberalism and the dangers it poses
>>79620000
There are some stormfags on /pol/ but also a lot of legitimately intelligent people.
Reading "The Rights of Man" by Thomas Paine right now, highly recommend it.
>>79619346
>>79617861
Read kaczynski, technological slavery
>>79620000
1984 Is a great book. The big brother was a commie government that enslaved and murdered It's own people.
>>79620000
waste of quads
you fucking nigger
>>79620215
>but also a lot of legitimately intelligent people.
exactly, thank you for proving his point
>>79620310
+ industrial society and it's future
>>79620124
Fascist and communist governments are both totalitarian, which 1984 was strongly against.
>>79619346
More race stuff.
>>79620350
National Socialism is a retarded idea that is supported here by retarded edge lords.
>>79617861
>reading books written by women
how cucked can you get you feminist libtard?
>>79618960
Im reading the constitution of Liberty right now by him and it's pretty good so far. So I would imagine that it is a good book. Road to Serfdom was written before Constitution of Liberty.
Read as much Thomas Sowell as possible.
pls help
where can I find books for /pol/ women? Like Donovan's The Way of Men.. but for women. Preferrably with a christian background.
All I have are based mom's books but they're obviously not focussed on traditional/conservative views as much.
>>79620481
Why hasn't the obvious been posted yet?
>>79619346
Dysgenics, by Richard Lynn
What about David Duke?
>>79619646
Also
>>79620207
and the sequel that satarizes black american culture and the jewish liberal media that props it up
>>79620506
thomas sowell is a dumb fucking nigger.
Can a man be red-pilled so much he becomes black-pilled?
>>79618606
Why the fuck is hazlitt shilled so much on this sight?
He's not an economist. He's a journalist. He legitimately has no idea at all about economics and wrote a book simply to try and trick cuckservatives into shitty Austrian policies.
Please, read from an actual economist. Read Friedman, or even Rothbard. At least these guys understand mathematics and economics at a level to give them some credibility.
>>79617861
>woman
>nontraditional
>opposes collectivism (NO IM NOT TALKING ABOUT COMMUNISM FCK OFF, collectivism =/= communism)
>>79620574
More interested in the political and economic philosophies here than the anti-Semitic, anti-establishment pleb side of things.
>>79617861
>jew witch
>fedora-tipper
>greed and selfishness are virtues
No thank you.
Unabomber manifesto
1984
Brave new world
Mein kampf
Mediations
Starship troopers
The hero with a thousand faces
Leviathan
>>79620907
>unabomber manifesto
that man is a genius
don't forget revolt agaist the modern age and riding the tiger
>>79620969
Anybody read his new book? Pretty good imo, a lot more practical than the way of men.
>>79620792
Have you read Economics in One Lesson?
Ayn Rand is based
Altruism is bad
Collectivism is failure
Capitailism is moral
Reality exists
We precivieve reality through our senses
>most people dont even understand objectivism
>>79620969
of mice and men is good
also the illiad by homer
and
metamorphoses by ovid
and the hunchback of notre dame by hugo
...just saying
>>79621166
kek
literally the opposite
The foundation of ideas about race that influenced early 20th century eugenics programs.
It was Hitler's favorite.
>>79620792
>Real economics.
>Friedman and Rothbard.
Maximum kek. These guys are experts at useless rhetoric that isn't exactly false, but completely fucking useless.
>>79620071
No she advocated rational self interest. Have you read her books? She advocated greed too, if it was in your rational self interest.
She didn't believe in greed for the sake of it if it meant taking from people.
She didn't advocate for greedy corporations who act like parasites and create monopoly. There are interviews on youtube of her saying this.
>>79618960
I'm reading it right now. It's amazing.
This is a really good book more /k/ than /pol/ but its great
>>79618719
>Be me, summber b4 college
>Decide to read the full 10 volume unedited version of War and Peace
>Literally 100+ characters with most names ending in "ski's" since russian names.
>Give up half way and go back to the editted version
I like books but lads War and Peace in full is impossible.
>>79620492
>all women are feminists
ayn rand is totally not a feminist....have you even read her stuff
One of my guilty pleasures.
Libertarianism has the same goals as communism, the concentration of resources and enslavement of all people in the hands of a small oligarchy.
It was invented by the same subversive kikes, and is their way of playing both sides and win either way.
Either you get centrally planned communism, or monopoly capitalism. The results are similar enough.
>>79621077
Yes. It's complete shit.
>>79621425
Rothbard is bad. I acknowledge that. But at least he spent a good number of years studying the subject.
Friedman is better. He actually used empirical data, as economics should be done.
I'm no libertarian or free market faggot, but monetarism and Friedman actually had some evidence backing it.
I also kinda liked Atlas Shrugged
>>79622909
It's good at exposing how much of an ugly ideology communism is, but her philosophy is long winded and pretentious, and the book itself is too robotic, her characters too 2D.
>reading
>>79623133
>American education
>>79623133
(((You)))
>>79622172
>Friedman is better. He actually used empirical data, as economics should be done.
So basically you're not a fan of Austrian Economics.
>>79618719
People should only read Brave New World k owing that its author's brother was the president of the eugenics society, founder of the WWF and UNESCO. His grandfather was known as Darwin's Bulldog for his strong defense of evolution and the Huxley's are actually related to the Darwins. It's a great book like 1984 but never poses a solution to the problem, and is really just a guide for the oligarch's eugenics like metropolis or The Giver.
>>79623221
>>79623321
(((My))) doubles confirm reading is for faggots.
Read these in order to achieve ultimate enlightenment
>>79618960
yes, very good. I'm 3/4 way through it.
>>79620792
I've personally not seen him shilled that much. Never mentioned by name. Sounds like you're just salty about Austrian school. He mentioned many many times that he wasn't writing about how there should be no regulation of X or government program Y, just that there will be consequences that people do not see and that we must take into account those things that are unseen before jumping to write laws.
>>79617861
wait wait wait, HOL UP. People honestly like Ayn Rand's books?.
I thought it was only a meme.
>>79619797
Some taxation for those things not for things that can be given to the markets
>>79621993
do some more reading.
>>79620777
so fucking sharp
>>79621325
shitposting, I see
>>79624216
lol
>>79620000
Yeah, /pol/ is full of edgy kids
>>79624378
Fuck no, she advocated voluntary taxation.
>>79624216
Ayn Rand is a Jewess, anyone who likes her should join her in the ovens.
>>79619741
Argie anon knows where the money is
>>79624689
>Argie
Kikey*
>>79617861
>itt we post the same 10 books that are always posted
>>79625092
>doesn't post a book
>>79622172
>He actually used empirical data, as economics should be done.
I am literally leading a largely data gathering team in photonics and I just feel confused when I hear econocucks pretend to treat human action empirically. This is genuinely scary that people would actually reify themselves.
Reminder that based JJ Cowperthwaite turned Hong Kong from a secondary naval base into the freest and most prosperous city in the world with (almost) a single measure : banning economic statistics, not because they are evil but only to prevent economists from tainting HK laws.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_James_Cowperthwaite
>>79617861
Suicide Pact - Andrew Napolitano
The Conservative Handbook - Phil Valentine
What are the best books on race?
>>79617861
Gaddafi's Little Green Book. Hard copies are rare these days, so you might have to settle with getting a PDF.
>>79626074
>Gaddafi's Little Green Book
Huh. I didn't know about it.
tl dr?
>>79617861
Captive Universe
> Atlas Shrugged
(((Shit)))-tier.
> 1984
Low-energy. I can agree with it as much, as I agree with GoT. Yeah, the public relations are reviewed somewhat. But the esoterics, behind the scenes, the elite relations with nation - not at all. "Oh there is some proles", "oh someone threw shit at joffrey". Besides that all goes according to divine plan of all-righteous all-knowing elite.
Fuck this, they could not made hitler into power during bier-putch, and ended up electing him, while internazies just withstanded the election allowing him to win. They cant work with major population, they do not know how to work with progress (not idea of progressiveness, that postulates that we need to destroy our culture and then everything will turn in roses, but true progress like disruptive innovation), so they end up in luddism every fucking time.
Today they holding back MSRE and hydrogen-propellants in everyday machinery. They even created this space-X scam to undermine the hydrogen-community efforts by governmental subsidies.
>>79624080
this list looks interesting. can I start reading those without any academic knowledge of economy?
>>79625907
The Races of Europe by Coon (yep, the best physical anthropologist in history is named Coon).
The Origin of Races by Coon.
Race by Baker is good too.
>>79617861
>Ayn Rand
>approved
Pick only one.
Just another Jew trying to uproot traditional family values.
>>79626745
Yes, you can. The first book, Road to Serfom, denounces Socialism and leftism; Economics in One Lesson and Basic Economics establish the principles of modern economic thought and build a free market, small government thesis on it; the rest of the books grow more and more pro-market and anti-government as the list goes on.
Especially Basic Economics, by Sowell. That book is Earth-shattering.
>>79626655
Some early 20th century socialist being muslim, that's the tl dr.
>>79617861
Is Fahrenheit 451 /pol/ approved? It's my favorite book.
Implying you'll ever be the same...
>>79617861
Atlas Shrugged is kike propaganda
>>79627199
I guess it's /pol/ enough, but you should read more if it's your favorite book.
Here's a list of books i think fits the general /pol/ack:
Clausewitz - On war
Huntington - Clash of civilizations
Ted kaczynski - Industrial society and its future
Michael E Porter - The competitive advantage of nations
Marcus Aurelius - Meditations (very good if you want to mature from boy to rational man)
Robert Heinlein.
Starship Troopers,
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress,
plenty more.
>>79626931
Thank you Portubro. I recently became very interested in free market economy and the resulting self regulation. I was convinced of it already but I always felt as though to convince other people of it and to strengthen my own philosophy and to trust my own judgement I need to fully understand it. Thank you
Any books that contain something from outside of the box? Fresh ideas, not the left or right bullshit.
Ideas like working moneyless society, jewless society, or fixed money system.
Then, any books that widely explains the history of money and money today?
Books about how enviourment effects the mind and how can one break free? And what kind of enviourment we should create, that most people would be enlightened? Books about what really good education would really be? Rising the IQ's to the max.
Books about transparent politics?
>>79626745
Econ in one lesson is extremely easy reading, with short chapters.
Also Aristotle. But to understand him, you need to read Plato first. Plato is not-approved by itself, just as basis to understand Aristotle.
>>79627611
>Marcus Aurelius - Meditations (very good if you want to mature from boy to rational man)
Stop this meme, especially with such grandiose pretenses. Aurelius is the worst stoic. Epictetus is superior in every way.
The meditations read like a blogpost. If alive today, Aurelius would have had arguments with molyneux.
>>79627332
How? It attacks cultural marxism and communism.
It defends facts and objective reality and all the heroes have strong Aryan features and all the antagonists have soft, round, plump degenerate features.
>So good guys - Aryans
>Bad guys - Kikes
Yet it is somehow kike propaganda.
>>79627814
Ok I guess I will start with that and move on to Sowell after. Cheers
>>79627861
>Other books might be better
Okay, it still doesn't take away from Meditations that it's a good book that have a lot of wisdom.
Also, any books that acknowledge the large population problem and offer solutions for it.
Books with solutions to enviourment problems?
Fucking books to fix the world, but not the pseudofixing jew ways that jews would benefit from it in the end and turn it more shit. Real fixing, good for all. Acknowledging races. Acknowledging worlds IQ problems and offering solutions to it.
Books about why societies fall? What fails them, and what could have prevented the fall?
>>79627790
No worries Germanbro. If you want to start red-pilling people on the free market, you should definitely read these books, highlight what strikes you the most, and then write concise arguments based on them. That way you always have a rebuttal for whatever socialist garbage the human trash you encounter will spout at you.
>>79617861
The Holy bible
Anything from Milton friedman
Harry Potter and the prisoner of Azkaban
The Hobbit (Not LOTR, that is degenerate)
>>79628272
>Harry Potter and the prisoner of Azkaban
Why this one?
>>79627966
> It attacks cultural marxism and communism.
Yeah, by enforcing it`s (((progressvie))) values.
>>79618706
It's invaluable as an argument against socialism and more people should read it , I would agree that it's not a masterpiece or anything though.
>>79618706
>he thinks Atlas Shrugged is shit
Nigger/Lazy fucking bum detected. kek
>>79627790
Oh, and I forgot to add. You should also get "Excuse Me, Professor: Challenging the Myths of Progressivism" by Lawrence Reed. It's a compilation of arguments against SJW trickery. Each chapter (50 of them total) is about 3 to 5 pages long, and presented as a leftist question or exclamation (e.g. "Does the free market ignore the poor?"). The book is a great amalgam of the arguments you'll read in the other books, but is insufficient on it's own if you actually want to debate leftists in front of an audience.
"Basic Economics", "Facts and Fallacies", "Applied Economics" by Thomas Sowell. "Free to Choose" by Milton Friedman. "Protection of Free Trade" by Henry George
>>79617861
Rand was massive hypocrite and a degenerate Jew. Her ideas were incredibly narcissistic and sociopathic. All-around a bad person.
In addition, she was a terrible writer.
>>79628790
>massive hypocrite
how?
>>79628438
>>79619483
reading this now, on page 70, a little boring in the beginning but just got interesting. Learning a lot, it just seems like applied common sense though kek but still he is dropping mad redpills about politics vs economics
>>79628475
What, staunch individualism and meritocracy? The reward of ones efforts and work?
Yeah that's really what the progressives want.
Modern day progressives want communism, or have you not paid attention?
the art of the deal
>>79618960
Yeah. A lot of people of in the Soviet Union died trying to obtain/read this book. No matter where you are in political thought this is a book that will teach you the importance of logical process. It's low key an Intro to game theory.
The chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkrutz
"Kim" by Kipling
All of Kipling's short stories especially "The man who would be king"
>>79629040
I left off in Chapter 3 or 4, about page 300 something. I fucking loved the part when he quoted directly from those two Soviet economists who acknowledged the failure of socialism.
>>79617861
Max Weber's
"The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism"
>>79624080
>forgetting this
>>79620124
>1984 was communist
It was supposed to be about communism, but he Blair wrote it as England had fallen to this information-controlling tyranny.
>>79620481
>what your research looks like
>>79629054
Individualism by all costs - abandon your community, your family, your nation, pursue only personal benefit.
Meritocracy is all white males? @ you racis. (easily undermineable meritocracy, after you embraced harmful individualism)
That's really what the progressives want.
>>79629389
Based Keynes is based
Even though i like the political philosophy of milton friedman, his economic theories is shit tier compared to Keynes.
>>79629389
>Reading that horseshit
Lel
Is "Democracy: The God That Failed" /pol/ approved??
I might have to get myself and the Official /pol/ Skype Group to give me a hand in producing an audiobook.
>>79629389
>implying I want people to read Keynes instead of Rothbard and Hazlitt
>>79617861
> 1984
All of us deep down want to be inner party.
>>79629582
Of course it is. It is the last red pill you ever need to take.
>>79617861
Start with the Greeks.. as for economics, couldn't recommend enough the book, Basic Economics, to start with a fresh slate
For irl finance, I've always loved the book Asian Godfathers: Money and Power in Hong Kong and Southeast Asia.
>>79629040
Read "facts & fallacies" first if you haven't read Sowell yet. That book will hit you with all the good shit. "Basic Economics" is the book where develop the skills to identify facts & fallacies.
>>79617861
>Atlas Shrugged
The characters are poorly and unevenly developed. The plot is convoluted torture. The hyperbolic soliloquies wreck the continuity of the storyline.
It's not an insightful book about political liberation. It is a desperate attempt by someone who knows very little about economics trying to babble us with bullshit.
>>79629467
National socialism is a meme.
"Nationalistic socialism" - is the thing.
It`s socialism, where cosialists claim they do something for the nation. If they are successful in war, they take wealth of conquered people, but this requires lives of your brothers in nation. If you do not succeed in war - you know what happens.
>>79627799
>any books that widely explains the history of money and money today?
>>79620686
Democracy: The God That Failed by Hans-Herman Hoppe
Is there any entertainment literature like The Hobbit approved by /pol/?
A compiled list of /pol/ approved books.
http://pastebin.com/TWJ3cbmi
>>79629761
bah you try and do better americunt
>>79629983
Well, if Atlas Shrugged is /pol/ approved as per this thread, then the Sword of Truth series would be too, given that later books just cut and paste John Galt monologues.
>>79629997
He's right though. I have defended the books value but I will not defend the books quality.
It was a terrible book with a potent message, but she was in dire need of a good editor.
If you really want to take your brain to the next level read "Rise and fall on nations". It was published in early June. The author works at Morgan Stanley and is recognized for knowing his shit. Furthermore, you'll notice newspapers reciting a the statistics in this book especially the WSJ and The Economist.
>>79618960
Yes. Try also Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy from Schumpeter. For a more optimistic approach, try Drucker's Post-Capitalist Society
>>79629582
>>79629965
S...so to speak....
>>79617861
"The Atlantic: Geopolitics of an Ocean" by Wulf Sievert
"You and the Economy" by Volkmar Muthesius
>ayn "walfare pro" rand
Weak bait
>>79630419
Has this book something in common with the theory of John Glubb in the essay "The Fates of Empires"?
>>79629193
Also, The Leviathan by Hobbes and Marcus Aurelius
>>79630515
Can you link me to the quote/speech where he actually says "or so to speak"? Never found it
>>79630419
Thanks, added to my to-read list.
This is what I am currently reading, is it /pol/ approved?
>>79617861
Eric Hoffer's True Believer (ppl said "The Orderal of Change" is better, but I didn't read)
Ortega y Gasset's Rebelion of the Masses
René Guénon's The Reign of Quantity and Sign of the Times, where you'll see cartesianism, mechanicism and materialism with a negative approach.
I'm reading Eric Voegelin's "The New Science of Policits", where he blame gnosticism is the guilty of Western decadence and behind all revolutionary movements.
And, if you think really about it, S. John of the Cross' "The Dark Night of the Soul" is the ultimate Christian iron pill.
>>79618606
Why not Freedom to CHoose from based milton?
>>79629582
>>79629665
>>79630515
>>79631069
>>79630977
Never read it. I'll have to check it out. In short, "Rise and Fall of Nations" is understanding economics through the investors eyes. It's not a philosophical book. But it's heavily strapped with data. The type of data only a hedge fund would bother obtaining/analyzing. Ultimately, the purpose of the book is to teach you how to analyze an economy post Great Recession
>>79629994
I don't feel like I should be basing my literary tastes on what internet nazis are approving
Oh well, fuck it
This may have been posted already, but I'd like to remind everybody here that George Orwell, author of 1984, was a socialist.
>>79631818
Check out the book I previously mentioned, Asian Godfathers
>>79631979
What's it about
>>79628558
It`s worthless as an argument against socialism, as there is more than enough real evidences against it even in everyday life. Just look at Venezuela. Or at nationalistic socialism in ukraine.
>>79617861
Ayn "my entire philosophy is based on daddy issues" Rand
Here's a book on globalization published in June. It'll teach you a great deal about supply chains and where global infrastructure is headed. Pretty sure the author has no fucking clue about what he's talking about. But what he does know is supply chains and who has interest in developing them.
>>79632519
Also comes with top of line graphs/maps. You won't easily find this type of data anywhere else
>>79631657
I was honestly expecting fascism to be the final stage.
>>79632411
> Ayn "my entire philosophy is based on daddy issues" Rand
More like: Alice "We fucked up Russia, lets push this shit under different brand in the West now" (((Rozenbaum)))
>>79632411
There is no way that all the Rand haters ITT have read all 1000+ pages (small print ed.) of Atlas Shrugged.
If she wasn't Jewish and a woman I'm sure the book would be a lot more popular round here. In the haters' defence though, it's definitely no literary masterpiece.
>>79619104
That's only because Atlas Shrugged is mostly shit. Part 1 is pretty great all around but then it goes to shit. Galt's speech is good for a complete construction of Objectivism and a btfo of SJW mentality. The problem is that if you read Galt's speech, it's accusatory towards a group that you don't believe exists. But once you change parasites for SJWs and feminist, who have anti-capitalism views and use marxist rhetoric, it all becomes clear.
Seriously though, the middle section of Atlas Shrugged is full of nothing happening.
It's also nice that people use my MAGA Ayn Rand image that I made.
>>79632847
If she was not a kike from kabal, that ruined Russia and turned top-5 world economy into 3rd world starving shithole, she sure would be a little less unpopular around here.
>>79632847
Why would I waste my time? Anyone with half a brain can see she spent her entire life trying to justify her shitty personality cause "commies stole muh daddies store and he let them."
Spend less time reading Rand and more time learning markets. The philosophical shit won't help you when it comes to making money. If you're going to spend your time reading about economics do it with the purpose of learning how to make a buck.
>>79631818
Ah it seems to be different works. The Fates of Empires study the life cycle of the greatest empires in history identifying common patterns like the lifetime and characteristics from the rise to the fall.
>>79624216
Her books are a mix of weird shit, good philosophy and good plot.
Her prose is somewhat not that good.
>>79628475
>Yeah, by enforcing it`s (((progressvie))) values.
Are you serious? Everything progressive these days is done by SJW who use marxist rhetoric which is what Ayn Rand endlessly bitches about.
>>79633190
>The philosophical shit won't help you when it comes to making money.
No shit, so does every fucking philosophy. I'm sure people read Nietzsche to know how to build a house too.
>>79632903
Atlas Shrugged is really three books if you think about it. And like many trilogies, there's a risk of fuck all happening in the second book.
I agree with you that parasites and looters really are the words for SJWs and modern day cultural marxists, but I'm not sure she could have predicted just how ridiculous things would get.
Also if the pic is your creation, good work, I think it's great.
>>79633277
Chill out leaf. Ship me some of that Alberta oil
The Quran
>>79633401
>there's a risk of fuck all happening in the second book.
Yeah. Though there's a part in Part 2 that always cracks me up. Dadny and Rearden go out looking for trains and shit, and some random clerk notices that they're a couple and that Rearden is obviously married and cheating on his wife. They both try to bullshit out of it, saying they're not in a un-superhero idealised way where it just becomes weird.
It's the only part where her heroes don't have an answer for their shitty behavior and a random clerk we never see anywhere else in the story points it out and then fucks off.
Which is hilarious considering Ayn Rand was fucking some other guy on the side who was also married while writing the book.
>you guys are obviously cheating and that's wrong
>n-n-n-no it's fine, really!
>uh huh, whatever
>I'm not sure she could have predicted just how ridiculous things would get.
And it becomes ironic what later happened with Nathanial and Ayn Rand, with him cheating on her.
>I'm not sure she could have predicted just how ridiculous things would get.
John Galt even has a bit where he's surprised by how shit everything turned out of nowhere. Ayn Rand saw it in a more hegelian view, that collectivism rises and falls within periods of time. So long as collectivism doesn't control the government to become totalitarian like she viewed, I think we'll be fine.
The world of Atlas Shrugged is mostly the absolute end point of collectivism taking control of everything while letting capitalism work. We're not there yet but you can see signs of it.
>>79632903
2nd part is full of happening, if you consider parasites Russian goyims and know a little history, so you understand, that she is just blaming Russians for not making a perfect world (aka Zion) out of commie project for (((her))).
long story short:
- Russian goyims did not abandoned their nation and culture, so they did not worked hard enough to overcome our own rules, build us perfect on the spot and then just die to let us live
- Non-applroved metal is communism.
- People who oppose the metal - Russian White Movement, that first betrayed the emperor, but then would not help kikes to kill-off excess of peasants, sell all the accumulated wealth of the empire, buy somewhere an industry on steroids n sheeit.
Part 1: muh metallic communism.
Part 2: muh underground revolution.
Part 3: progressive revolution allows zion for (((chosen people))).
I am starting to realize economic theories are like religion at this point
You all pick your "god" and then zealously praise them.
>>79633218
> Everything progressive these days is done by SJW who use marxist rhetoric which is what Ayn Rand endlessly bitches about.
All she bitches about is her progressive metal, that will magically make everything profitable, and progressive intellectuals, who do everything good, but boring conservatives are sabotaging her utopia.
>>79634375
>They both try to bullshit out of it, saying they're not in a un-superhero idealised way where it just becomes weird.
I found this to be a great deal of the dialogue though. I found their speeches and idealistic dialogue to be really long winded. It's like she didn't know of the show don't tell rule.
>John Galt even has a bit where he's surprised by how shit everything turned out of nowhere.
Thing she didn't seem to take into account was violence and widespread civil disorder and rise in crime etc.
She did mention people trading (emphasis on trading) on the black market, but it's like she didn't think crime would happen in terms of theft and rioting.
>
The world of Atlas Shrugged is mostly the absolute end point of collectivism taking control of everything while letting capitalism work
Interestingly, Japan is a collectivist country with a capitalist economic system. And it works. It has problems, a lot of them, but it works. Thing is it has to be already in the culture for it to work I think.
>>79634780
Yes, parasites are a nameless group that doesn't exist these days. There are more than just one protagonist in the story, you know that right?
Plus I think that Rearden was a fucking asshole who kept slapping people and happened to be rich with everyone sucking his dick.
>>79634601
Not really. Average human is poorly educated, he does not know how to reevaluate the information, so he will defend any shit that got into his mind, no matter how it happened.
This is where all the zealous praises are born.
This is also why they push their shit trough entertainment and (((comedy))).
>>79620276
Which book do I need to read to think podracing is cool?
Which do you recommend to make me believe Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen are good actors?
>>79635060
> parasites are a nameless group that doesn't exist these days
For Alice (((Rozenbaum))) goyims are the parasites. This is why she did not announced the name. All her characters share her concept.
>>79635020
>I found their speeches and idealistic dialogue to be really long winded.
The only speech I liked was that 'the root of all evil isn't money' speech.
>it's like she didn't think crime would happen in terms of theft and rioting.
Hmm, that's true. I don't remember any crime happening, with everyone just being poor or homeless.
>Interestingly, Japan is a collectivist country with a capitalist economic system. And it works. It has problems, a lot of them, but it works. Thing is it has to be already in the culture for it to work I think.
I don't know about Japan but although it's somewhat collectivist, it has a hands off approach to its market. Its crime rate is low because of its corruption by making people confess to crimes they didn't commit, and that's pretty bad.
>>79635342
>goyims are the parasites
Not really.
>>79624080
PBS made "Free to Choose" into a television series, or the book was based on it, not sure which.
You can see a young Joe Biden and Thomas Sowell debate one another in the discussion portion Friedman holds at the end of each episode.
Pic related
>>79624504
Can't have that. Mind end up with a plumbing infrastructure!
>>79635937
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3N2sNnGwa4
It's on YT
>>79619797
Ayn Rand advocated for voluntary taxation.
For example, everyone paying of their own free will a blanket welfare if you got bad luck or whatever. Not the government forcing people to pay or else you go to jail. That's what she didn't like.
Receiving social benefits for something she paid for does not go against her philosophy. It would be like paying for health insurance and people start bitching at you for asking for money when something bad happens to you.
>>79617861
>>79631657
that's retarded, the point of traditionalism is to go back to traditionalism, not to be part of modernism
traditionalism will always be the last stage, as it is totally outside the modern political economical compass
>>79631657
Do edit the fucking picture to add your lolbertarian bullshit. Traditionalism is the final redpill.
>>79636933
*Don't
Does anyone have the password for Why Johnny Can't Think? Some kind anon posted a link last time, but it refused to load properly and now I don't have it anymore.
>>79618706
cuck detected
>>79620000
I dont think youve read 1984 carefully enough.
Ingsoc used power for the sake of power.
Facist/nationalists used power for the sake of promoting the advancement of their own people.
>>79619104
You always get those faggots that'll talk shit on Rand but they never provide a substantive critique or argument.
The problem with Rand is she was very blunt in calling out the losers for what they were and thus rustled a lot of jimmies.
Atlas shrugged is a good book, and a good outline of objectivism. We the living , Capitalism: an unknown ideal, and the fountainhead are better imo
>>79638123
This.
Say what you want about fascism, but it had a reason.
What did communism do besides seek control? Nothing.
>>79638123
Orwell wrote a lot about fascism, and stated fascist governments of his day had inspired the novel.
>>79619741
Nice try shekelstein
>>79638878
Fountainhead is a lot more palatable than Atlas Shrugged due to the fact that whilst Roark is a complete autist, he is the underdog. And the message is following your dreams and maintaining your integrity and individual creativity. Which is why so many students latch on to it for a while.
Anthem is also supposed to be quite good although I haven't got round to reading it yet.
>>79619797
She advocated for voluntary taxation theough lotteries and charity you stupid cunt. Know what youre talking about before you speak faggot
>>79639061
I always thought the soviet union inspired 1984.
>>79639252
It did, partially. Orwell himself was a socialist, and not so much against communism as he was the way it had been implemented.
http://styrofoam.voidaudio.net/ihavenomouthandimustscream.pdf
>>79639187
>don't want to pay tax
>free service anyway
Everything from Dumas
>>79639687
great game too
>>79617861
>>79619676
I bet there are more libertarians on here
>>79639163
Roark is interesting to see how literally the entire world conspires to shit on him.
The method Toohey used to fuck him is still insanely admiring
>waging your entire career into promoting this guy and then knowing he'll fuck up because of his grandiose idea
>act surprised that it happen and people will question how you would throw away your entire career on this guy, and get out of any repercussion
Like, wow. That was honestly the best part of the book. The balls to do this sort of shit is amazing.
>>79639830
>don't pay tax
>you don't get services
>alright
>don't pay tax
>then we'll send you to prison
Do you even know what voluntary taxation is?
Though my problem with voluntary taxation is that people aren't grandiose heroes, and people don't know everything. So you can't expect them to know what taxes they should or shouldn't pay.
>>79639163
All of Rand books are shit. I say it as a über-lolbertarian Hoppe reader.
They have no literary merit whatsoever, and Rand is an awful philosopher as soon as you stand out of the strictly ethics-politics stuff.
She is completely retarded when dealing with legal matters. Her views on economics are somewhat in the right direction but very, very plain and with some important mistakes. Her esthetic theories are some of the worst out there, her views on God are what you expect of a teen fedora, her writings on technics are just bizarre.
Currently reading "The Red Fog Over America" because my grandfather gave it to me. Pretty interesting so far, goes much deeper into the subversion that Yuri talked about. There's a bunch of shit about the Illuminati in it that I'm not sure I believe in quite yet but still very interesting.
>>79641224
What part of her philosophy do you disagree?
All I read from you are buzzwords.
>>79632903
i just finished atlas shrugged, it could have easily been condensed into 400 pages with half the characters. is fountainhead any better?
>>79620574
Wasn't it proved it was a forged document? Or was it (((debunked))) ?
>>79620000
checked
but who cares about newfag stormshills desperately trying to fit in?
>>79619676
>le pol is one person meme
>>79620784
If you can read 'Capital' good for you. You can literally read anything. But if you want to be right side of history "the great escape" is the book to read. And about 400 pages shorter
>>79641788
Yes it is.
I always felt like Atlas Shrugged was Objectivist Twilight with le stronk Dagny Taggart screwing anyone she comes across (as long as they have a big fat black bank account).
>>79641788
Plotwise, yes. Her main character is basically John Galt but with more personality. He's literally Capitalism idealized man incarnate.
It's much more enjoyable.
>>79640675
>>don't pay tax
>>you don't get services
>>alright
Taxation is compulsory by definition. At that point, your objectivist "government" is nothing more than a service provider competing on the open market with other providers, and you are living in anarcho-capitalism.
>>79620000
Well, at least there are a few who don't.
I'm personally sick of the dichotomy. It's either Antifa or Neo-Nazis, can't we just fight both of them?
what was that book thats kind of like a tom clancy thriller that was about NOT George Soros funding these radical leftist groups who end up starting a civil war against the US government?
Stop reading any rand and join me in the capital markets. You fags are so close to understanding how to make money but let philosophy get in the way. Keep reading Austrian/English Econ. Learn how to judge markets. Obsess over foreign policy. I promise you'll become a a money hungry twat that knows how to invest in equity, bond, currency market.
>>79642985
"Free to choose" by Milton Friedman?
>>79643052
Could you give us some recommendations of reading material, please?
>>79642865
>your objectivist "government" is nothing more than a service provider competing on the open market with other providers,
>The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man’s self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force.
Although I somewhat disagree with Rand since a limited government does not create a strong state.
>you are living in anarcho-capitalism.
>Anarchy, as a political concept, is a naive floating abstraction: . . . a society without an organized government would be at the mercy of the first criminal who came along and who would precipitate it into the chaos of gang warfare. But the possibility of human immorality is not the only objection to anarchy: even a society whose every member were fully rational and faultlessly moral, could not function in a state of anarchy
Limited government does not mean removal of government.
Although even I value restriction to the market more than Ayn Rand would have liked.
>>79619741
>'Industrial Society And It's Future', by FC
>FC = Freedom Club, an alias used by Ted Kaczynski
Anarchists, bomb throwers, and other types of kike influenced agent are oven-worthy.
>>79643357
Subscribe to "The Economist". Despite being left leaning globalist funded by the Rothschild's... These guys know how to expose themselves to complex ideas and take positions. Provided, it's in your best interest to develop your own ideals this publication will help open your mind.
>>79644062
Will do. Thanks.
>>79644099
This fuckin guy
>>79644271
Look at my other posts in this thread if you want book recommendations
>>79635228
Any book will do, you just have to bash yourself in the head repeatedly.
>>79617861
Starship Troopers.
>>79635937
Thomas Sowell absolutely slays in that
