Why did France become so socialist in the second half of the 20th century? It went from one of the most based countries in the West (apart from Germany perhaps), filled to the brim with culture, sophistication, and perhaps, after the fall of Germany in ww2, the height of Western civilisation and one of the most lovely countries in Europe and from being snatched from the claws of Hitler, they survived it all.
Only to then later open their country to everyone, let Mitterand nationalise millions of illegal immigrants, and turn France into a free for all? Why was France screwed over so hugely? Would the French resistance still have resisted if they could have seen France in the 21st century?
>>79604962
Divine Retribution for destroying the west via the French Revolution.
Socialism in france is a byproduct of their insanely high political participation. It had been that way since the french revolution, it's given the french a sort of mindset that their government can be flexed against.
Socialism enters the picture because it is a pretty good idea for a country with such a high rate of political participation.
The lax immigration in regards to refugees is the result of decades of a stable economy and first world luxury. They have forgotten that having beef on the table means the slaughter of a cow.
>>79605032
Yes I know -what- happened. But why? Why did the French people do this to their country?
>>79604962
The first Socialist Prime-Minister of France was the Jew (((Leon Blum))), there is even a small town in Israel named after him.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léon_Blum
He even stayed in Buchenwald during WWII and became Prime-Minister later, so much for exterminations.
>>79605204
They got arrogant, mistakenly believing in some moral or cultural superiority
You could say the same with Great Britain, to a less extent.
In France the victors of WW2 were communists, they had massive power in 1945 and the years after.
Also now if you look at the results of elections in France, a vast majority of French people are right-wing but the socialists end up winning because of the division between Front national (nationalists) and classical right-wing.
Also , while its true that socialists pander to immigrants and favor mass immigration, the right wing cuckservatives are responsible for starting it when they decided to go look for cheap labour in Africa
>>79605656
I don't deny it has happened in Britain, but our people got screwed over by our politicians. The French people in the second half of the 20th century seem to have revelled in opening their nation to foreigners, while in Britain it was done politically and sneakily. Can't say it's the same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MtIF6tw-Io
>>79605871
Founding of the NHS, Welfare State and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Nationality_Act_1948
>>79604962
>why is X ruined
Gee i dunno, must have been the Arabs.
>>79605935
The NHS was a good thing initially, and Britain in 1948 was certainly not filled with foreigners as today. The Nationality act less to with multiculturalism infested Britain than the unrestricted mass immigration that got forced on our island in the decades that followed it by rat politicians.
>>79605198
>The lax immigration in regards to refugees is the result of decades of a stable economy and first world luxury. They have forgotten that having beef on the table means the slaughter of a cow.
The problem is slightly different: intensive media propaganda + hate speech terrorism.
We've been lied about immigration for decades (+/- 30 years): we were lied about the nature of this immigration, about islam, about the number of immigrants, about the fact they are leeches, etc...
But you're right about people getting soft thanks to first world living standards: french people have become pussies, they have been castrated, they're done for: the point of no return has been reached a long time ago, no salvation for us.
From pret-a-porter to pret-a-penser.
>>79606857
Interesting. Thanks.
Can you tell why this was enacted? Like, what is the purpose of it, if not a French agenda, but a wider Euro one?
>>79604962
From the very beginning, Mitterand was a fake socialist, a "Socialiste de Droite".
He started at the extreme right wing, then took over socialist party (very cleverly ) and was able to conduct his right inspired policy.
During his whole presidency, at the anniversary of the death of Philippe Pétain, he paid a tribute to this guy.
TL-DR: This has nothing to do with "muh immigrants", but everything to do with political treason.
>>79606857
> we were lied about the nature of this immigration,
Massively it's economic immigration. No lie about it.
> about islam,
Typical idenditaire bullshit. Immigrant from islamic country ≠ islamist.
In fact, the overwhelming majority of them are not practising at all.
> about the number of immigrants,
Their trick is to consider only the input, and never consider the output.
Considering the 2 numbers, we are now at an historic low in matter of immigrants
> about the fact they are leeches
also propagandist bullshit. In France, when you don't have paper, you basically have *zero* rights, even if you are very sick, CMU is a scam.
And even if you have papers, you don't have much. In anyway, the total that you can obtain even as regular migrant is less than 1/3 of the bare minimum. It's all perception of a fake situation, fuelled by media propaganda that pushes really hard to make poor hate the even more poor.
>>79604962
The utopian ideas that went in to communism came from France. When Dostoevsky got arrested and sent to jail it was for spreading these ideas that they had picked up from the French intellectual circles.
>>79605204
This image is tricky, though.
Reporting a rape in 2009 is taken way more seriously than in 1970.
My grandma got raped when she was young, the police laughed her off and told her to stop day-dreaming. This wasn't a single occurence either, rape became a crime only in 1980: men couldn't be considered as raped, the act of rape couldn't be condemned if the victim was married to the rapist, a forced fellation wasn't considered rape, etc.
The change in 1980 forced the police administration to take rape allegations way more seriously.
I'm not SJW-ing here, I'm anti-immigration but you can't shoot down a nuisance if your bullets are blanks.
>>79610759
You are either a cuck or a kebab.
Your country is 1500 YEARS OLD motherfucker, why would you fill it with third-world trash with a higher birth rate than yours? Literally retarded.
We live in fear in a kebab land
https://mobile.twitter.com/OneRadex/status/749361686939889664/video/1
It's because of high jacobinism and ultra centralization of state which rules everything. The republic is a codename for communism.
>>79611486
This "higher birth rate" meme is also wrong.
Migrants when the settle in France has the same birth rate than French (and in fact, a little bit less)
France became a pioneer in cuck culture for 2 reason, both linked with the aftermath of WWII
>FIRST REASON
First of all, the French communist party following WWII was pretty strong compared to other Western Euro Communist, rivaled perhaps only by the Italian ones.
When the Gaullists took power after WWII, the communist were numerous, and still armed in the countryside; the right had a short majority, but had to share the power.
While the commies left the Army or Police ministries to the right, they demanded control of the Ministry of Education.
In the long run, that was a smart decision, and France became pioneer in youth leftist brainwashing.
Take the Khmer rouge : Pol-pot and his group of close friends didn't learn their ideas in Moscow or Beijing. He developped his ideology and party while studying electronics in Paris; and you know what happened when he returned to Cambodia.
You know what happened when they came back to Cambodia...
> SECOND REASON
But worst than the official, Stalinist communist, FRANCE HAD THE MARXISTS (not called cultural yet, just regular marxists).
See, while the stalinist PCF had some patriarchal elements, and their sovietism was mixed with French nationalism, the dissident Marxists were as degenerate as they are today. They were banned from the PCF as "leftists", which for them meant "young idiots"
But without any solid structure, they thrived in informal small groups, and through entryism, propaganda and networking, they elevated themselves in the highest positions in the society; permeating the fabric of French society with their "cool", "intellectual" and rebelious ideas.
The entryism was particularly strong, they could influence every sector of the society without ever stating their end-goal.
Today, all of the former Marxists have coopted each other into positions of authorities, and many influential French leaders have a past in one or another marxist group.
This is especially true in Academia, News & Politics.
>>79614214
Fact remains that your population is increasingly muslim and African.
You're losing your country.
>>79604962
Being the main battlefield of two World Wars in the first half of the 20th century made the generation that survived that period extremely skeptical of nationalism. They were the perfect audience for left-wing politicians who sought to end the policies of the past and promised a brighter future through socialism.
>All your men die defending the country during WW1 and WW2
>Entire generations raised by almost nothing but women
>>79614532
It's not like they were not socialist before. The French revolution had seeded the roots of egalitarianism in French society.
Even the right is socialist in France.
>>79604962
Immigration?
Yeah, I'll take Immigration for 2000 Jeeves
We had no money and no more resources left in the metropole, and our stupid colonies started rebelling. After some time we agreed to let them live their life. So now we just do services and research a bit and hope for a brighter future. Our industry i s nearly dead, our artisans are disappearing, small shop are on the verge of extinction...
Our left needs poor people to win election because they always vote for them, the simpliest way to get more people is either make the middle class poor or to use heavy immigration
Also fuck that marshall plan and the WW2 bill the americans made us paid. You call yourself savior of humanity but you take out a nice guy and you issue a huge bill for that ? fk off
Welcome to France i hate this country, why can t we have some nice politics...
>>79604962
Kikes abd egalitarianism
>>79614471
This right there. Impeccable summary of the situation and why it went south.
Of course, the infamous French Revolution and the slaughter of millions of Frenchmen during the two WW didn't help.
France is pretty much fucked at this point. You know what they say about placing French people at the head of big international institutions like the IMF: they are the only ones not defending their country.
>>79605935
>Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" (CUKC)
>CUKC
>>79604962
Following the end of WW2, the communist "resistance" fighters indiscriminately murdered everybody further right than just right of center who they didn't think was resisting the Nazis enough.
Same with every western nation. Women vote for more government.
>>79615184
Marxism was a big deal before but nowadays it's not responsible for anything.
We have no resources no industry so the only thing left is services, our economy is just bad from the start with this composition. This and stupid immigration without qualification is what is killing us today. For example a LOT of young people from Africa and other European countries actually move to France to study is some of the best uni but after the diploma they leave. Thanks we just created more concurrence.
The slaughter is the WW1 was bad but we recovered pretty easily, in WW2 the human cost was really low.
Our left wing is purely not able to achieve anything and is just adding weight to our country. For example our dear Fatty just announced a cut in taxes a year before he leave. just before the election. So if he gets elected thx to that he is happy and if he doesn t get elected he would have already put a bullet in the feet of France for the right.
I swear i wouldn't be surprised at all if Hitler 2.00 was a product made in France
>>79614214
I don't believe that
>>79615746
>Marxism was a big deal before but nowadays it's not responsible for anything.
Well, they are dying off now that the damage is done.
Since their ideology is to mock, destroy and think by slogan, they seem to not really have trained successors as smart as them (Serge July & Lionel Jospin leaving place to Najat Belkacem and Cecile Duflot, Ardisson succeeded by Cyril Hanouna, I'm not too worried...)
In fact, I can see who the real successors of the marxists are...
> Young militant people, using a culture of anonymousness, one-upping each other with edgy ideas; hiding their radical ideas as "for fun" while mercilessly mocking the ideology of their opponent.
And in the next decade, most of /pol/ and Alt-right edgy students will, without stating it too openly, bring their ideas with them in the tech industry, politics, media etc...
Whether Trump wins or lose, a new age of subversion is coming in the West :D
>>79604962
WWI and WWII.
That's the biggest reason honestly.
During the WWI we lost half of the 18-27 boys and a 1/3 of the country to rebuild.
And then we got the WWII which killed less (but still a lot) and ravaged the country under the bombs.
France was so weak at the end of WWII that we had a lack of workers and we could not keep the colonies in order anymore.
At that you add the fact that France was a really big ideological battlefield where communist represented an important part of the population and were (of course) supported by the Kremlin.
>>79605871
Algeria civil war end caused this influx of migrant mostly.
But the reality is that socialists, since 20-30 years try to replace the labour electorate with women, immigrants and muslims.
The Partie Socialiste profoundly despises the workers which now vote for the extreme right since they see that they are fucked big time by massive immigration.
The french left today has almost nothing to do compared to the ones during the 50s, they are in full multikulti delusion and want to deconstruct France as a nation and create some sort of mixed rootless thing.
>>79610759
Hello Achmed.
>Typical idenditaire bullshit. Immigrant from islamic country ≠ islamist.
>In fact, the overwhelming majority of them are not practising at all.
Islam is a religion of hate that mix really well with the hatred and inferiorty complex of arabs and maghrebi that passes through generations.
Islamist are not created ex-nihilo, they hate France at core because that is what their parents transmitted to them.
>Their trick is to consider only the input, and never consider the output.
>Considering the 2 numbers, we are now at an historic low in matter of immigrants
Kek, that's not because they have a french ID that they are french.
When Abdul call whites "sale français" we all see how french he considered himself (ie enough to have welfare but not enough to respect the country).
>also propagandist bullshit. In France, when you don't have paper, you basically have *zero* rights, even if you are very sick, CMU is a scam.
>And even if you have papers, you don't have much. In anyway, the total that you can obtain even as regular migrant is less than 1/3 of the bare minimum. It's all perception of a fake situation, fuelled by media propaganda that pushes really hard to make poor hate the even more poor.
I work at the hospital in the north, everyday I see from my own eyes what are immigrants, I have to deal with dozens of violent individuals in emergency services and 90% of the times they are muslims/niggers.
It has nothing to do with being poor, the problem is how they behave, most of them are entitled scum, sometimes I want to distribute bullets instead of pills.
