What's so bad about universal background checks?
Government profiling citizens. Read 1984.
>>79564535
not an argument
the fbi already has the power to do this and often abused it
>>79564152
Registration eventually lead to confiscation.
Its happened in every country that has implemented universal registration.
>government places people on "watch lists"
>it is nearly impossible to be removed from the list
>the criteria for being on the list is classified
>anyone on the list cannot purchase a firearm because "muh national security"
that's why faggots like omar mateen can buy a gun, because the argument is that the government can place people on these lists for any reason, including no reason.
>>79565154
> Obummers gonna take mah guns!!!
Not an argument, faggot
>>79565101
There is a big difference between legalizing and institutionalizing. One opens precedents, the other is illegal.
>>79565101
>not an argument
>>79565302
>Not an argument, faggot
Unwilling to respond properly shows a lack of mastery of the facts.
>>79565302
except it is a legitimate argument
"not an argument" is meant to used against ad homs, such as:
>faggot
not an argument.
>>79565458
>>79565491
Alright, I'll fall for the bait
Its not going to happen. Its hilarious how people are paranoid enough to take that the FBI is going to take away guns from people in, of all places, the U.S. Do you really think people in places like Texas and the South will just let that happen?
No argument to address anyways
>>79565302
I did not mention Obama fucktard.
Hilary has the balls that Obama lacks to ban guns.
The United States Constitution clearly states that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.
The definition of infringe includes "to act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on." Adding universal background checks undermines the ability of the people to bear arms.
In order to include universal background checks the United States Constitution would need to be amended.
This doesn't even touch on a discussion of what criteria and information the background checks might or might not include, or the lack of discussed ability to appeal or have legal recourse for being denied based on these checks.
>>79565706
>Its not going to happen. Its hilarious how people are paranoid enough to take that the FBI is going to take away guns from people in, of all places, the U.S. Do you really think people in places like Texas and the South will just let that happen?
It only takes 1 domino to knock down a masterpiece.
>>79565706
>its hilarious how people are paranoid enough to think that the FBI is going to work with the NSA to store and query every bit of digital information on the American people
See what I did there? Its scary how fast the absurd becomes the norm with only feigned resistance from the public.
>>79564152
You are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty...
Not guilty until proven innocent.
All guns sold by FFLs already require a background check. "Universal background checks" is about making that apply to private sales as well. If I want to sell a gun to a friend and he's not a felon, that's none of the government's goddamn business.
Also it's completely unenforceable without a registry, the very existence of which would violate 2A and Federal law.
if you buy a gun from a gun store you already have to undergo a NICS FBI background check which determines if you have a criminal record or mental adjudication
>>79565391
if it's helping the war on terror, commies, drugs or whatever is portrayed as a major threat to the people right now you could have the most strict laws and regulations to protect the citizens' rights but federal institutions just won't give a shit because of the great threat
see this >>79566079
you're talking as if snowden never released a single document
they're already doing it to put people on no fly lists so they might as well use it to keep ahmed from getting guns
>>79566405
so why are people talking about this if it's already happening?
>>79566405
Is that an accord or a law?
>>79565706
In Canada the RCMP routinely sweep evacuation areas for guns when the citizens are away. They even take possession of weapons that are legally owned and registered and locked and stored safely. In fact if you register for a Restricted Weapons License your home can actually be searched with no warrant.
These types of compromises are not compromises at all. Background checks weren't enough. Registration wasn't enough. Nothing but a total ban on firearms is ever enough for these people. We have pretty strict rules here in Canada and there is still constant pressure to crack down harder.
>>79564152
Inconvenient, expensive, and unenforceable without a registry, and will do nothing to stop criminals.
If you say something "hateful" online, you are a threat.
If you own a gun too, you are an enemy.
>>79565706
It's not going to happen all at once. It'll be "assault weapons" first, then all semis when that does nothing to happen. Next up will be autoloading handguns, and revolvers after that. Then all repeating guns, then break actions, all the while tightening who can own guns, and placing all sorts of limitations on storage, transport, magazine capacity, etc.
So you guys really think that people in Utah, Texas, Alabama, and the other huge gun states are going to dump their guns into the bags of FBI agents going around like its Halloween?
You think that they have the manpower or readiness for a huge uprise?
In a lot of places, gun stores are hundreds of miles away. Private sales and the occasional yearly/seasonal trip to the city is the only way to buy guns. Forcing millions of Americans who live in rural areas and often rely on firearms for survival to go hundreds of miles to buy a simple rifle is ridiculous. A lot of people can't fathom the fact that people live outside of suburbs or cities. Where I live in Monana is hours away from a gun store, so my house was a registered FFL and I'd have firearms shipped to me. For any other transaction it'd be from the occasional private sale that some rich retiree brings from the city.
I'm okay with a UBC law IF the government opened NICS background checks to civilians. Instead they just try to make it harder for people to own guns.
>>79567313
Plus, not to mention the huge black market for guns from Mexico, and angry gun shop owners "accidentally" falling for fake IDs
>>79567313
Incremental steps over a few decades. Make it tougher, prevent more guns from entering into circulation, make it more of a hassle to own. Anything to drive down gun ownership rates, guns in circulation, number of stores, and try to make gun ownership taboo.
>>79567313
They won't. But the regulations will tighten.
The guys who kept their guns will die and some of the children will inherit them or keep them, but others will be confiscated as part of the estate (they can't be grandfathered since they weren't registered). Fewer and fewer people will bother picking up firearms because its a huge headache to get through all the paperwork and waiting periods. So less people become interested. The NRA loses support because fewer people want weapons because they grew up not having them.
Eventually the people who understand the importance of access to firearms become a massive minority and will have the last vestiges of that freedom taken away. Not by some huge sweep but by a couple of decades of decay. You'll keep the 2A, but it will be covered so thick in red tape and rubber stamps no one will bother with it.
It happened to us. Don't let it happen to you.
>>79565920
People's right to bear arms is infringed all the time. Felons can't own guns. People accused of domestic violence can have their right to own arms suspended. Many places do not allow guns in bars.
>>79564152
This is pretty much what we have now. I have no idea what the actual percentage of private sales are, but they are pretty low. The problem is opening up the background system to private citizens. Unless that happens, the only way would be for them to ban private sales.
Just remember what the media and gun-grabbers love to lie about, there is no such thing as the gun show or Internet loophole. If you are an ffl dealer, it doesn't fucking matter if it's in your shop, at a gunshow, online or at you shity yardsale, if you sell a gun, you must do a background check.
>>79565706
Ask people in California who will have to turn in their over 10 round magazines that they purchased legally if they are paranoid.
The people they're trying to target are criminals buying guns in alleys from other criminals, they don't give a shit or for that matter know what the law is, it therefore becomes nothing more than a large inconvenience for the law abiding
>>79564152
Why is the government interfering in a private transaction between two citizens of the same state?
Private property.
