>According to Putin, Russia's basic approach is that Finland is a neutral country and Russia keeps its own troops well away from the common border.
>"Imagine that Finland were to join NATO. That would mean that Finland's defense forces would no longer be independent, rather part of a NATO infrastructure extending up to Russia's border," he said.
>Putin added that in such a situation things would change. He let it be understood that in this case Russian troops would no longer stay 1500 kilometres back from the Finnish border, as they do now.
>The Russian president went on to say that even so, Russia would respect a decision by the Finns, since it is Finland's own decision to make.
>"NATO would gladly fight Russia to the last Finnish soldier. Russia would not want that. But, it is not our decision, it's yours," stated Putin.
>"Do you guys need it? We don't. We don't want it. But it is your call."
What did he mean by this?
>>79546863
He want a neutral Finland rather than a potentially hostile nato nation on his border
1500km? Surely he said 15km or 1.5km.
>>79547264
>that radioactive dust kicked up in their face and into their eyes/mouth
fucking idiots
>>79547264
Were these guys aware they were being used as guinea pigs?
>>79547499
They were good goyim.
>>79547499
No. Pretty sure they all died.
>>79547385
What radioactive dust? The only dust that might have contamination or neutron activation is at the base of the cloud.
>>79547723
0:28
>>79546863
He got a little carried away with his rhetoric, but certainly Finland joining NATO would be a destabilizing mistake.
>>79547127
He lied about the 1500 kilometers though
>>79547848
The only radioactive parts are in the dust at the explosion location.
28s was just the shock wave pushing normal dirt.
>>79547264
It was "depth"
Question (retranslated): A question to President Putin. It seems to us here in Finland that it is Russia that is pushing Finland toward NATO. At any rate, here the prevailing attitude was against NATO but now this issue is being discussed seriously enough. Why is Russia behaving like this? Perhaps you have some specific proposals on enhancing the security of Finns? This question is for President Putin.
And a question for President Niinistö on the intentions of Finland, Britain and the United States to draft a defence cooperation treaty or agreement. Could you please explain what this agreement is and what the intentions are?
Vladimir Putin: We don’t quite understand what could have caused the concern of Finnish citizens. I’ve already said that we made a decision and carried it out by withdrawing all our armed forces to the depth of 1,500 km from the Finnish borders. Despite all the tensions in the Baltic Sea region or other parts of the world, we have done nothing that could have prompted the Finns to worry. Incidentally, we are doing this in recognition of Finland’s neutral status. Imagine if Finland joins NATO. In this case the Finnish troops will cease to be fully independent or sovereign. They will become part of NATO’s military infrastructure, which will emerge overnight on the borders of the Russian Federation.
Do you think we are going to continue acting like that: since we have withdrawn our troops to a depth of 1,500, they will stay there? But in any event we’ll respect whatever choice the Finnish people make. It is up to them how to guard their independence and ensure their security. We cherish and respect Finland’s neutral status but this issue is not up to us. Paraphrasing a statement by one of my Finnish friends, I could say that NATO would probably be happy to fight Russia to the last Finnish soldier. Is this what you need? We don’t, we don’t want this but you decide for yourselves what you need.
>>79546863
Illustrates the wisdom of true Polandball comics.
Best strategy for finnish defense against russian agression would be good relations towards russia.
Any idiot would understand this. Finland is such a non strategic area in modern warfare that russia would have no reason to attack or invade.
>>79548133
Depth or distance it doesn't matter. They have military forces well within 1,500 km.
>>79548366
Well it wasn't error or anything. It's on Kremlin website.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/52312
>>79546863
Well he's not wrong. Finland was created as a buffer state. Remove that buffer and tensions will certainly escalate
>>79547127
He understands what the West is doing.
The fact that Putin who has 1500 nuclear warheads and 15000 tanks is spending every waking hour being afraid that a handful of tiny European countries will invade Russia is pretty funny. Those cheese-eating cucks with a tiny army sure are scary. LOL.
He is just terrible at everything except being a tough guy. Fix the economy or corruption? Nah, nigga we need to fight against NATO.
>>79546863
The Russian leader is protecting Russian interests because thats his job
Whats so hard to understand?
Why cant anyone understand Russia? All they do is protect their interests just like the USA does.
>Neighboring countries joining a military pact created for literally no other purpose except containing and threatening your country
Gee, I wonder why he's opposed?
Litearly no one gives a fuck about Finland here. No one.
>>79548747
> 1 post by this ID
Why does Putin act like NATO being on Russia's border is going to start WW3 when Norway is a founding member of NATO and their border with Russia is right next to one of their most important and active port cities?
He's scared of another winter war
>>79549100
Because you spent the last decade surround Russia militarily, trying to destroy it economically and infiltrating and destabilizing neighbors friendly to Russia
We can all see it happen and it's leading to something your jew overlords have planned.
But you can't see it
Sauli Niinistö: There is nothing dramatic in the news on these agreements between Finland and Britain and Finland and the United States. They are essentially technical and simply specify the current status.
That said, I would like to recall the main components of Finland’s defence, its defence policy. The first support of our defence is independent defence and our strong will to protect and defend our country. In Europe Finland has the strongest will to defend itself and in addition we are also developing our own independent defence capabilities.
We are cooperating with different countries and organisations, including Western ones, and are bolstering cooperation with Sweden in the field of defence. We are doing the same as part of the European Union. Finland is NATO’s partner and we also maintain bilateral contacts and cooperation with the United States, especially as regards military technology. At the same time we are working with our Eastern partners, including Russia. We want to keep open all our communication channels and we are developing cooperation with Russia in many industries, particularly in the civilian sector.
And the fourth support or component is the protection offered by international agreements, treaties and organisations.
As a small country, Finland supports and observes the principles that have been elaborated in these international bodies.
Thank you everyone.
>>79549007
Well, at least the incognito is working correctly. Thanks for your input faggot.
>>79549368
incognito doesn't give you a new ID
Putin should just take Finland, stop being a fucking pussy
>>79546863
>What did he mean by this?
he say nato east expansion is aggressive act
>>79549238
Russia shouldn't have turned our neighbors into Commies then. Not to mention creating the commie states in Asia, North Korea was such a good idea. Thanks Russia!
We just now are patching things up with the Latinos to the south but they are still commie mentally. And that's Russia's doing.
Problem is, Russia is weaker than the USA now so they are losing more and more proxy battles.
>>79549471
I doubt he wants yet another piece of frozen wasteland that's also filled with the most autistic people on the planet
>>79550169
>Thanks Russia
Dude if only you knew how many RUSSIANS perished during communism... if only.
And now i (a russian) have to listen to you bs thanks commies.. just thanks.
Based finns will take care of slav(e)s.
Again
>>79550169
>Butthurt belt reporting in
USSR and Russia aren't the same, you know that right?
>>79546863
He says that NATO as an organisation will use Finns as cannon fodder, while american transgender generals will look at this from lenses of drones from behind the lines from inside the bunkers.
>>79550654
Thank you...
>>79550443
Russia is ruled by a soviet right now. Where do you think Putin and his cabinet came from?
Fact is Russia would love to switch back into the SU if it were made possible again. The majority of the citizens there even admit it. And for the Russians who speak out against corruption or in favor of democracy they get labeled "librashkas" or however its spelled.
>>79550169
You need to forgive one day or you will never move on
>Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
Niinistö:
>I mentioned the situation in the Baltic Sea region because Baltic countries and some other places are scared of Russia. That’s one side.
>The other side is that Russia views NATO as a major threat. This is how a vicious circle emerges. Trust is the key to breaking it. To build it up we should move forward in the right direction even by small steps.
>The activities designed to avoid all kinds of adverse incidents or accidents could, perhaps, be one such small step, which is why I raised the issue of aircraft flying with transponders turned off.
>We all know that such flights are fraught with certain risks and fairly serious danger. So, I came up with a proposal to reach a joint agreement to have transponders turned on at all times during flights in the Baltic Sea region.
>>79546863
It means he's scared of NATO but he ain't scared of Finnish army so he's threatening us if we join NATO.
Not saying we should but Pootin can fug off.
>>79550654
Yeah they aren't because we don't allow them to be.
Public opinion in Russia and even government authoritarianism there says otherwise.
They aren't the SU because the USA won't let them be. Its not even hard to see.
>>79550734
yeah thats the older generations that want a soviet reunion the newer gens dont...
and still i understand them, imagine living in the USSR and being mindfucked everyday by your govt (and an extra 2 years of hard fucking for the males cause of the army) would you be different?
>>79551052
>and an extra 2 years of hard fucking for the males cause of the army
This isn't bad.
>>79550963
>>79550734
Last time I checked, the USSR literally let you leave the union without consequence. If the people of the ex-USSR wanted to reform a soviet superstate, I doubt they'd even want you in it.
Why are you still so Butthurt?
>>79546863
>NATO would gladly fight Russia
Nobody is interested in attacking Russia. Even if we invaded and occupied the entire country, we could not afford the welfare bill. The infrastructure is all fucked. The people are drunken HIV monkeys who run around stabbing each other.
The country is a worthless bag of shit. It has only one redeeming feature, it acts as a barrier to keep the Chinks away.
>>79547264
what's this from?
>>79546863
He's telling you, he could fuck you up.
I'd listen.
>>79551174
in what way
do you mean the mindfucking
or the 2 years of service?
You can now come and buy one of these Ladas for one euro. They are abandoned by refugees at the Finland-Russia border.
>>79551389
> even if we invaded Russia
You can stop right there, paki. You aren't invading shit.
>>79551389
>said the chav
Yeah, and of course Estonia joined USSR 'voluntarily' as well.
In any case Finland should man up, stop the policy of weakness and appeasement towards Russia, and join NATO.
>>79547499
not really
John Wayne died of cancer partly from his smoking and partly from doing films downwind from the nuke tests. A lot of the film crew died of some sort of cancer caused by the nuke tests. crazy shit
>>79551475
Both
wouldn't you like to grow up in a country that makes you a part of it?
wouldn't you like to feel included into society ?
wouldn't you like to believe into something?
wouldn't you like learning about comradeship, pushing your own limits and witnessing hilarious storys that you can tell later in life?
Conscription is absolutely needed to unify the Men in the Society otherwise you get a bunch of traiterous, egoistical faggots who will make the country break apart
>>79550700
Russians are degenerates that behave like niggers. Once Finland joins NATO, I hope you filthy brainwashed fucks will be eradicated by our united super power. Putin the "tough" manlet will be raped by Finnish autists and eventually be hanged like Osama.
>>79551745
So, happy with your new F35 ?
>>79551745
Well said, my fellow toothpaste.
>>79550801
Exactly. The manufactured crisis in Estonia in 2007 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Night was Putin's exercise in NATO uniformity. Russia found NATO too unified, militarily weak Georgia was an easy target, they were busy supporting OEF.
When Russia followed their invasive tactics in Ukraine 2014, the same supposed 'experts' were baffled. They had never understood that Russia as a state is following cossack rules, it will murder, rob and steal everything it can.
>>79550801
Doesn't it make you seeth with anger that Putin threatens you like this?
>>79551745
>end Russian appeasement
What is Russia doing that makes it so not provoking them is "appeasement"?
Did Putin fuck your sister or something?
>>79552032
>DDR is that you?
>wouldn't you like to grow up in a country that makes you a part of it?
OFFCOURSE only not that particullar country.. AND not with lies
>wouldn't you like to feel included into society ?
same as the above
>wouldn't you like to believe into something?
And again
>wouldn't you like learning about comradeship, pushing your own limits and witnessing hilarious storys that you can tell later in life?
AND AGAIN
im not against army rather against USSR
>>79552561
FINLAND IS A STRONG INDPENDENT WOMAN AND SHOULD BE ABLE TOO CHOOSE WHO FUCKS HER BY HER OWN WILL
>Listen up guys the economy is fucked because i appointed some mouth breathing retards to the Cnetral Bank, Finance and Economic Development and we need to do something fast but let me just go to Finland and make some ominous threats to people nobody gives a shit about
Le Based Boudine Saviour of de White Race
>>79552413
We don't want war and we want to keep Russia as trade partner, and hope there will be more trust between Russia and Baltics. But Russia is not innocent either. Is there "good" and "bad" guys in global politics? We Finns don't believe so.
>>79552538
>A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back.
>>79552561
Invading Ukraine to "protect" russian "citizens" there from "Ukrainian terrorists". Same with Georgia now.
>>79552561
No one cares about Putin, we need Finland to chip into NATO budgets cause Trump is tired of running the world on his own.
>>79552739
i don't hear accordion music. are you even a real cpби?
>>79548747
It was the most retard and
incoherently thing I heard today.
Fucking amerifats.
>>79552750
>and we want to keep Russia as trade partner
>>79553196
This guy's a tiny but vocal internet minority, most Finns absolutely despise Russia. We will very happily put another 100 000 russians in the ground when they come at us again.
>>79552032
I'm not against it as well, there are some reasons like you mentioned. But some people are really ready to hero over it; I don't understand, but it really goes very deep.
>>79553202
Glorious PVV Führer is trying to, but our prime-cuck-minister is preventing this.
>Needer kanker
Lelz, never heard this.
Good word choice though
>>79553549
> We will very happily put another 100 000 russians in the ground when they come at us again.
Soviets...
>It's another "/pol/ is actually blupilled as fuck about most things but will keep spoting shit it knows nothing about"
Do you know that Putin's i migration policies are beyond antyhing that Merkel or Obama ever installed? Ofcourse you don't.
>inb4 some obvious mental gymnasitcs about how its ok if based Boudine does it
>>79553786
HOHOLS
>>79553830
how many syrians refugees we accepted considering our friendly approach to Syria? If you are right Moscow should be filled with Syrians, but thats not the case
>>79553549
I'm not Ilja Janitskin, or Russian troll, but I realize there's good and bad sides with either option. I realize that Russia has terrible economy and they are at two wars that aren't doing so good, so you never know what they might do next to hide failure. But don't attack Russian people because of Putin.
>>79553830
Lot of people in Finland are sure it's Putin doing it and Russia funding both far-right and far-left groups with the refugee crisis, but is it very effective I don't think so.
>>79554076
'syrian' rapefugees
>>79554142
they'd blame putin for bad weather if people were even more stupid. Just convinient to blame external bad russia for un-convinient internal far-right groups.
>>79554353
*inconvenient
>>79548046
Those are Russian bases. He meant troops as in active and ready formations like exists on much of the European border.
In the case of NATO aggression of Russia, they're pretty much ready to quickly invade and capture must of Western and Northern Europe (NATO nations only) and basically use them as hostages so that the U.S can't mobilize their forces fast enough to bring down Russia without huge collateral.
Russia knows it's heavily outgunned, but the Russian military is the best at urban fighting and spearhead invasion fighting in the world so they're going to use it to their advantage.
Either way, the troops that exist next to you are basically just tank mechanics and boot camp troops training.
>>79553549
good goy, die for your masters
>>79554076
I think he meant that refugees would leak to Europe to cause chaos and division, which would be great for Russian propaganda to kick in. But no Syrians came here and it's mostly Iraqis who came because they believed lies of human smugglers.
>>79554353
It's a bit annoying that now any kind of criticism against mass immigration is seen as Russian shilling.
>>79551745
>stop the policy of weakness and appeasement towards Russia, and join NATO.
>mfw
Joining a military alliance like NATO is the very definition of individual weakness. The fins might decide that it is necessary, but if they do so with the short-term in mind then they seriously don't understand Russia and if they are thinking long-term when maybe some nut-job will become President then I would suggest that Finland taking just as many precautions against Sweden and the EU because they will pressure Finland more and more with time because they don't respect neutrality. They think 'with us or against us'.
Also, you devious little shit using words like appeasement to bring to mind Hitler/Chamberlane analogues. But what can I expect from a non-country whose only reason to exist is to whore itself out to the EU bureaucracy.
>>79554142
> terrible economy
they have oil, gas, definitely not shite. They're just being bullied by some mysterious gang of would be world leaders.
> Putin bad guy
Probably, but I don't live in Russia, so who cares ?
>>79554076
>15 years of open borders with Asia Minor
>where den Syrian refugees at, me smart
lol you fucking PIDF clown, try to use less obvious strawmen in your bullshitiing
>>79550963
lol wtf are you on about dude SU reforming would be death to Putin and all his private interests you clearly have no idea how Russian politics work,they would much rather keep on the charade of democracy and freedom of speech then go back to communism where they cant make money.
>>79554936
I literally can't understand you.
You can't be Russians because even Russians are easier to understand than your garbage
>>79552518
Ukraine intervention was militarily necessary because it is exactly by those 'cossack rules' that the EU/Americans are playing. Russia left Ukraine well enough alone until the incited revolution and then only secured what was of absolute necessity to Russia. The naval base in Crimea which could not be allowed to fall into NATO hands.
You people need to think about why actions happen instead of assuming the other guy is a nut-job who is frothing to invade left right and center.
>>79554730
>Joining a military alliance like NATO is the very definition of individual weakness.
lmao
I really don't think you understand the concept of an alliance, anon.
>>79548133
>>79548366
>>79548494
That's exactly Russia's media doctrine. Mixing facts with lies, leaving everything vague and opaque.
>>79546863
He means he will invade Finland if you join NATO.
Join NATO quickly and allow the West to curbstomp them.
>>79554786
Lot of Russians live in proverty and Russian government is taking attention away from this, showing them that Russia is "strong". The price of oil is very low.
>>79554936
>le middle asia migrants
They were already here everywhere because of USSR, but atleast they speak Russian and have no culture of their own. So they are 1000 times better than Mexicans for USA.
But you don't care, because you are stupid liberal and if SAINT USA would tell you to take negros from Niger you would take them in your house, but since le bad pootin does this you don't like
>>79555092
>15 years of open borders with Asia Minor
>I literally can't understand you.
That's ok, you will be readily made to understand when a REAL nationalist, pro-Russian leader will take over, and all you paid PIDF trolls, diaspora cucks and other compradors will be put to the knife in the streets.
>>79547264
That was... beautiful.
>most nations want to join up with the West because Russia is a shitty ally
>Putin get butthurt because people want to be on team USA.
>Russia threatens countries that want to defend themselves
Top kek! Russians are so fucking subhuman. Putin is a complete jackass. There is a reason no one wants to be on your team, you dumb bitch.
Russia's only allies are other shitty countries like North Korea and Iran.
Fucking pathetic commie scum.
>>79549100
Just like your mother has, it's nice to have several points of penetration
>>79555411
>muh liberals
>muh USA
yep, like clockwork more retarded PIDF strawmen
Day of The Rope soon, comprador
you and your Jew-natzmen masters are going to fucking hang
>>79555253
THIS.
However, russkiy degenerates can't absorb this truth.
>>79552032
>Conscription is absolutely needed
In theory would I agree, however you have no clue how it works in Russia. You are lucky if you only get beat up and robbed during those two years and not additional fucked in the ass. The worst part is that it goes back for forever and they still can't fix this shit.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedowschtschina
>>79554549
>Those are Russian bases.
Full of Russian soldiers. He was lying through his teeth.
>In the case of NATO aggression of Russia
What aggression? Nobody wants Russian territory, it is full of Russians. Russians are drunk people with AIDS.
>>79552750
>Russia
>trade partner
>more trust between Russia and Baltics
Can you get more cucked? Holy shit.
>>79555669
Like i would believe that you are the true nationalist. You are just temporarily roleplaying it for empathy points and dialogue opportunities in this particular conversation. In reality you are an anti-pootin liberal and russophobe who want Russia to shrink down in size and completelly dissapear afterwards.
>>79555753
+1
And these slavic white niggers keep saying that "putin dindu nuffin"
>>79552518
>Manafactured crisis
>confrontation at the monument site took place on May 9, 2006, when a group of Estonians approached the celebrating Red Army veterans.
>Proud Estonian yoofs bullying old WW2 veterans
Oh yeah, let's blame Russia on this one again
>>79555128
Please don't assimilate me Irish alliance guy.
>>79555697
>it goes back for forever
literally a practice born in the USSR
>>79555253
>>79555253
>That's exactly Russia's media doctrine. Mixing facts with lies, leaving everything vague and opaque.
Whose media doctrine ISN'T this?
>>79556096
When you are butthurt and you know it ....
(talking about estonia)
>>79555128
Don't worry Ireland. You are so irrelevant that even if you joined NATO no one would care. Not even Iceland. Are you in NATO? Who cares? You are that weak.
>>79555342
> randomly discussing natsoc
> actually executing it
>>79554076
Jesus fuck,mouthbreathing retards like you are the reason our country is so shit now. Yes,because considering how strict our immigration law is all the major cities would be flooded with refugees. They don't even try to come,a few that tried got tied up during immigration procesing when,unsurprisingly,someone suspected they might just be not as innocent as they say. Some faggy newspaper even reported it,but nobody gave a fuck. We don't have a welfare state,so none of those fucking leeches even bother to come.
>>79556025
Russia was our #1 trading partner. Not anymore though. The EU sanctions hurt this relationship a lot.
Are we cucked? Yes. But it has been this way since Cold War. You might say Sweden is not cucked considering how anti-Russia they are but then again they tried to be moral superpower and can't admit it was a failure, so they are cucked too. We can admit we are weak.
>>79555362
I agree, but this is the age-old left-right discussion. I don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure war isn't.
>>79555362
Dude, Russians living in poverty is normal. No one in Russia is going to support or start a war over shit like that.
Stop listening and spewing retarded shit you hear on western media channels.
>>79556096
>On the next day, Estonian nationalist[46] Jüri Liim said he would blow up the monument unless the authorities removed it promptly.[47]
>Proud Estonian yoofs threatening to blow up old Russian WW2 vets
Let's blame Russia on this again, right?
>>79547264
RIP eyes
To think Trump is actually the last hope for humanity to avoid war.
If he loses i'll laugh at amerifats, but with tears running down my cheeks.
>>79546863
Finland would end up like Kalingrand.
>>79555753
Seriously, Why do Russians think anyone wants to invade their shithole?
>>79548747
You confused russia with the USA .
The USA keeps pushing russia . I don t see RUs soldiers in mexico , but i see US. Soldiers in poland and the baltics so FUCK OFF
>>79555493
>most nations want to join up with the West because Russia is a shitty ally
>imblying anyone in Europe has even tried to be an ally to Russia post-WW1.
Mongolia/Kazakhstan and all the other nations bordering Russia who aren't acting like retards do business with Russia just fine.
>Putin get butthurt because people want to be on team USA.
There's that cold war 'us or them' mentality showing itself again. Americans, still beating their 'filthy gommies ;PPPP' dead horse because it's the only reason to still put up with their shit tier foreign policy.
>Russia threatens countries that want to defend themselves
Telling Finland that the military relationship with them will change if they change from being a neutral state to part of a hostile military alliance is not a threat. It's simple fact of life which does not mean Russia is suddenly going to invade Finland because no one in Russia gives a shit about invading Finland of all places.
>>79556184
>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedowschtschina
It can be traced back to Tsar times.
>>79556298
I fucking never forget watching live on state TV how they tried to sell off the Ferguson events as the US version of the Euromaidan. Or the dozens of MH17 theories every time backed with new "experts", "Satellite imagery" and everything.
>>79556671
>No one in Russia is going to support or start a war over shit like that.
Americans were easily deceived to support Iraq war for whatever reason. So don't be so sure. And it's not about supporting war, but brainwashing people their leader is some kind of God Emperor while they are poor.
>>79556967
Read any pro-Russia like RT you find the answer. Or if you want to blame the other side, how would you react if you were Russian and saw this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1rqKxwLecY
>>79556329
I don't like to agree with you, but you leave me no choice.
I can't really say if I think Russia is good or bad. They seem to have a lot of problems of their own.
The way that certain western leaders treat them like some kind of Bond villain isn't really fair, though. I imagine much of recent history is Obama being mad that Russia cucked him out of his evil plans to destroy Syria, twice.
>>79555753
>What aggression?
Let's see.
>incite violence in Georgia
>incite violence in Ukraine
>incite hatred in the Baltics because having someone to hate is what keeps shitty organizations unified.
>incite hatred and fear in Finald
>WHAT AGGRESSION
Retard
>>79557260
>Americans were easily deceived to support Iraq war for whatever reason.
They are Americans. People are people everywhere sure but the culture and mind-set is completely different in Russia. Russians know the cost of War. Americans don't.
>>79557260
God Christie is such a cuck. Please tell me Trump won't really pick him for VP.
>>79557229
Mate,Dedowschtschina is alive only in the parts of military,stationed deeper in Siberia or in punishment squads(I don't really know how to translate stroibat). After the reform they got rid of most of it,two of my friends served recently,it's not an issue. Mostly because it's extremely punishable and gives brownie points to the commander of the base if he shows some convictions.
>>79557413
>incite violence in Ukraine
The Russian muppet regime using snipers on the protestors? Or the Russian soldiers that annexed Crimea and invaded eastern Ukraine?
>incite hatred in the Baltics
Everyone hates Russians. They are drunken, violent, occupying, delusional vermin. Nobody is interested in Russian territory because it a shithole that has Russians in it, they are safe behind their border.
>>79556967
Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, ...
>>79557413
dude stop... srsly you are just wasting your time.
they are unable to understand because they only see Red and Blue.. RIght and Left .
>>79548747
>>79549368
is this real?
>>79557714
Perhaps you're baiting, perhaps you're not. But the fact that people like this actually exist, and probably even make a majority in countries like yours it's just too damn sad.
>>79557950
>Ukraine
>Ukraine
>Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdn2EHkGlvM
>>79557714
>Everyone hates Russians. They are drunken, violent, occupying, delusional vermin. Nobody is interested in Russian territory because it a shithole that has Russians in it, they are safe behind their border.
You keep repeating yourself.. arent you tired chav?
>>79557714
>The Russian muppet regime using snipers on the protestors?
Right, the snipers who shot people at random, civilian AND police right after Yanukovich signed an agreement to come to a peaceful solution with Yatsenyuk were RUSSIANS, OFCOURSE. Filthy fucking liar.
>Or the Russian soldiers that annexed Crimea
This was pure military necessity for Russia's national security because of the naval base there.
>invaded eastern Ukraine?
If Russia had invaded Ukraine. Ukraine wouldn't exist. Keep spewing bullshit though to justify shitty western actions.
>Everyone hates Russians
and yet you claim that NATO isn't a threat to Russia and act astonished why those silly Russians are worried about everyone on their western border (all of whom according to you hate Russia) being part of NATO.
Full fucking retard.
>>79558120
depressing indeed
>>79557695
I honestly really hope so for you guys.
Army should be tough on you, but not fuck you for live over nothing...
>>79557330
Actually, Obama showed some balls and didn't randomly kill some mudslimes.
Still rooting for Trump though. Hitlary is evil reincarnated.
>>79557714
>Or the Russian soldiers that annexed Crimea
But Crimea welcome those Russian soldiers with open arms and voted overwhelmingly to be annexed by Russia.
I mean, blame Russia for a bunch of stuff, I don't care. But Crimea? Really?
>>79547127
Just like they want Ukraine neutral as well. And honestly it should.
https://youtu.be/1ZrNhmdHzY4
>mfw Winter War of 2016 commences
Can't wait to see Finnish snipers blow open vatniks heads kek
>>79555753
>What aggression? Nobody wants Russian territory, it is full of Russians.
Didn't stop the Krauts from trying.
>>79558293
Thanks,mate
That was a prison mentality sort of a thing,for I don't know what reasons it became somehow popular during the later USSR years,so people decided to recreate it in the Army. It took so long to fix because of the 90's,as you might know,the entire country was basically a no-man's-land during those.
>>79553549
Good Goyim
>>79556390
>being in alliance is weak
>not being in alliance is weak
trying to compensate for something?
>>79557694
When you hear him, he sounds like an old fashioned mobster guy, running civil services and ready to put some force into his arguments.
>>79558213
>the snipers who shot people at random
There were groups of protestors being pinned down then picked off one by one.
>Crimea
>military necessity
The Russian bases were in no danger. The peninsula has no strategic value whatsoever, there is nothing there or anywhere nearby of an strategic relevance.
>If Russia had invaded Ukraine.
>If
They did invade. They invaded to generate a limited distraction conflict in eastern Ukraine, and to acquire the Crimean peninsula.
Nobody is interested in invading Russia. Russian roads, schools, hospitals and utilities are a mess. Russian people are disgusting, drunken, drugged-up disease-ridden imbeciles. Nobody in the West is interested in acquiring a single square yard of that shithole or any of the people that reside there.
>>79558550
to be fair part of their plans involved purging the land of Russians
>>79558366
Please tell me how Crimea is any different from nazi germany and the sudeten land. What Russia did in Crimea is outright ludicrous, no effort prior to the Russian invasion attempted to transfer autonomy, it was a illegal invasion in response to no existing crisis staged solely to gain strategic territory from their formal vassal state, taking advantage of a power vacuum.
>>79558970
Which is precisely why >>79558905 is bullshit misdirection. No one wants Russian serfs, everyone wants Russian clay and all the riches buried in it.
>>79558718
>Defending ethnic homeland is jewish brainwashing
>cuckolding for a foreign powers strategic interests isn't
>>79558905
>large groups pinned down with snipers
You are really knowledgeable in urban warfare strategies,aren't you?
>no value
Except for our entire Chernomorsky fleet being stationed there.
>invading saloland
Yeah,right.
>>79557714
I'm drunk like most of the time, I love russians.
What are you, neue welle englishman.
https://youtu.be/03OPcn80Uzs
That is so funny.
>>79546863
I'd like to see Putin try. You can't mess with Sisu. You'll just give birth to a new Simo Hayha or Lauri Torni.
>>79558100
Nuclear weapons do exist. So stop warmongering.
>>79558905
why do westerners pretend they care about ukraine? every fucking time
>muh poor ukraine, ebil russkis done invaded my boy ;_;
>what? ukraine in eu? fuck that, we dont need those dirty fucking slavic niggers
>>79558976
>Please tell me how Crimea is any different from nazi germany and the sudeten land.
The fuck kind of argument is this?
>LE TELL ME HOW LE PUTIN ISN'T LIKE LE HITLER >:[
>>79558905
>The peninsula has no strategic value whatsoever, there is nothing there or anywhere nearby of an strategic relevance.
Oh god... the Stupidity
Especially coming from britain ... which is a country INVOLVED in the crimean war of 1853, which was a war for the control of that peninsula
>>79559148
>Sry, didn't read lol.
That was the wrong goyim.
>>79558976
>american talking about unwarranted, illegal invasions
my fucking sides. do you have any self awareness?
>>79558905
>There were groups of protestors being pinned down then picked off one by one.
And there were riot police gunned down as well. I wonder who benefits from killing both maidan activists and the police just as a peaceful solution seems to have been reached between Yanukovich/Yatsenuk?
>The Russian bases were in no danger. The peninsula has no strategic value whatsoever, there is nothing there or anywhere nearby of an strategic relevance.
Complete, 100% lie or you are that stupid. Either way, educate yourself.
>They did invade. They invaded to generate a limited distraction conflict in eastern Ukraine, and to acquire the Crimean peninsula.
They invaded Crimea without firing a single shot or causing a single death and supported UKRAINIANS in EASTERN UKRAINE who didn't think it was cool to have the government they ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY overthrown by a bunch of retards molotov cocktails.
>Nobody in the West is interested in acquiring a single square yard of that shithole or any of the people that reside there.
If only that were true.
>>79558123
Russians have real hard military assets there. You don't want idiot yatshentshuk running those.
>>79559175
>shooting civilians
>warfare
Nope.
>Chernomorsky fleet
The lake patrol. They have a tough job, keeping a close eye on military powerhouses such as Romania. Are you anticipating an amphibious assault by Bulgaria? Or are you more worried about Georgian wine smugglers?
I'm pretty tired, i don't really want to read the thread. Kinda just want the general opinion of people
>Should Finland join NATO?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10650902
>>79558366
Yes, one cant read on western news, that it was really an act of democracy - which is pretty rare in place like Ukraine, i bet.
>>79559534
We're number 1. We can do what we want.
>>79558976
A power vacuum created by the West in order to acquire that same strategic territory and deprive Russia of it.
Crimea is different from the Sudetenland because acquiring the Sudetenland wasn't a response to a threat. Acquiring Crimea was a RESPONSE to a threat caused by WESTERN support of russophobic violent protesters who toppled the ELECTED government.
>>79559755
What I was pointing out during the warfare comment was th inability of even a fucking squad full of snipers to supress shit in such a big crowd,which made your comment that much more retarded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet
Yeah,those 6 subs are on constant patrol for Romanian gypsies trying to sneak in.
>was th inability of even a fucking squad full of snipers to supress shit in such a big crowd
тoлcтo
>>79554730
keking @ that image
>>79559944
It is straightforward once people get isolated. We saw the snipers keeping groups pinned down and shooting people that were not in cover. Using snipers as an anti-protest tool is about as low as it gets.
The Crimean peninsula is absolutely worthless in a strategic sense, the Russians were already there in any case. There is a large air base at Rostov which is adjacent. Just because your government are dumb enough to put a navy on a lake does not mean there is any good reason. Your government are monkeys. There is nothing there.
>>79558905
Mind if i ask you about your opinion on the civil war in Yemen and the international intervention on it? And about the bombing of Yugoslavia?
Everyone forgets that much of the Berkut were from Crimea
when national identity is in turmoil people often fall back on their local identity
>>79559342
They are the scum of the earth and we don't want them.
> representing the entire westerners
>>79557193
We may own the western hemisphere, but other than us this whole place is a worthless shithole with nothing worthwhile. It's the eastern hemisphere we have to pay attention to for the sake of global strategy.
>>79559357
Exactly. Britt guy is an idiot.
They have nuclear submarines. You really want idiot ukranians starting WWIII ?
>>79560410
So ... just give up a quarter of your military without a fight. Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
>>79560781
Estonia was a shithole when Soviet Union broke now it's doing great because they have the chance to be like Nordics
>>79546863
Typical russian paranoia.
That what he meant.
NATO is stealing all of the russian potatos, if it would go after the russians.
>>79560410
Did you see the "protesters" immolate a cop, then laugh as they kept medics away?
And it was Westernizing banksters and not Kremlinite "monkeys" who absolutely destroyed the Ukrainian economy.
>>79560781
I show this funny joke to side of family exiled to Canada
Is funny they say
I send it to side of family the soviets took to Siberia too
>>79560862
>just give up
What do you mean "give up"? Nobody was giving anything up. The Russians were in Crimea under treaty until 2048. Even without a treaty, nobody could make the Russians leave.
The Russians had the opportunity to steal some more land, which they took. They did not need it, they just wanted it.
Join nato already faggots and stop making same fucking thread every fucking 5 hours.
faggot.
>>79560781
>implying
>>79560410
Except those snipers weren't an anti-protest tool because they weren't part of any Ukrainian military or police unit and no-body could find them after they shot all those people because they just disappeared.
>>79560808
Ukraine already had nukes before. Ukraine still had the ability to build them(other than money and reason to build them).
>>79559761
Will you pay for NATO military ?
= real question
Do whatever you want, just try to be informed.
Russia not going to attack you and nato not's going to attack russia.
You like your taxes on military spending , go for it, else not.
>>79561006
filled with blacks? no i don't think they're quite there yet. thankfully
>>79560781
Aaaaah the vodka nigger propaganda mashine twisting the minds of young ppl.
Meme's replace the hippy movement.
Soon sjw will be used throu subversion to figth for the russian couse.
>>79546863
Putin:
>Finland, your choices are your own to make, however, if you align yourself with my enemies, I will be forced to proceed with caution.
>I will respect your decision, whichever it may be, but you must also understand I have to protect my own as well. This does not necessarily mean war, but it could mean we behave more 'warily' around each other, and create a diplomatically charged situation.
>I tell you this so that you fully understand potential consequences of your decision , that is yours to make, and I respect that.
Obama:
>OMG UK, You're cvhoices so intolerant, if you keep making choices I don't like we cahnt be friends no more.
Is it me, or is Russia closer to the old american dream than america is now?
Are they freer?
Shit, they seem to have more class about them.
>>79561191
>they just disappeared
Back to Russia.
>>79559833
Can't argue with peobear.
>>79561436
>pedobear
Fresh of the boat huh?
>>79561354
Aaaaand let me gues you did shill hard for the leave campain bong rigth?
What happent to checnia after soviet onion?
Burnd to the ground by russia, because they did not want to be frends.
What hppent to georgia after closing in to usa?
Land stolen by russians.
What happent to ukraine after closing to the european union?
Land stolen its ppl murderd.
Obama talks at least and is not like putin imidetly cutting your throut.
>>79561280
I am genuinely afraid of liberal nulands and pro-european shilltards to accidentaly starts wars. I prefer based putin guy to make sure those idiots don't get access to real power.
>>79561406
I'll go ahead and repeat myself for you
>who benefits from killing both maidan activists and the police just as a peaceful solution seems to have been reached between Yanukovich/Yatsenuk?
Pro-tip. It ain't Russia.
>>79561332
Russia wants acces to the atlantic.
It wants full aces to the baltic sea.
All it has to do is cut a littel of finlands south and take some northern regions.
Its not needing all of finland.
Cant take litva or they got ww3 at hand.
Finland on the other hand has nobady.
>>79561966
Pro tip in the long term they are.
>>79561280
That's before they were liberal EU cucks.
>>79561801
>What happent to checnia after soviet onion?
Muslims got crushed Hans. I don't expect you to understand with Mohammad pegging you as you type this.
>What hppent to georgia
It kept its independence despite provoking a short-term war and Sakashvilli who now openly does the USA's bidding got kicked out.
>What happent to ukraine
A democratically elected government got over-thrown by western backed violent thugs.
>>79562320
How so? How does helping violent russophobes take over Kiev help Russia.
How about they both join NATO.
Problem solved.
>>79561801
>Obama talks at least and is not like putin imidetly cutting your throut.
You're joking right?
America has been pulling shit like that for years, they've just got better PR and more subtly.
Vietnam, Columbia, all those shitty third world nations south of them...
The only real difference is that Russia doesn't pretend it doesn't shit.
Their politician has politics that aren't the equivalent of a goddamn schoolchild "Do things my way or we aren't friends".
In this very instance, Russia is showing alot more respect for another countries independent decision making than america has in a long time.
And that won't change unless trump gets in.
But keep shilling, 'german'.
>>79558550
>not using the correct version of the pic
>>79562530
Nato was done the minute Turkey was granted membership. We need a new alliance of non-shit nations.
>>79562541
>Columbia, all those shitty third world nations south of them
Ah?
I do hate their guts, but they haven't really done anything to us. Maybe because we're such good goys.
>>79562234
I thought germans were based?
I'm going to have to #rageforthefarage
I'm sure russians are going to do all that
Live in fear, seek protection, german woman..
>>79548747
You do realize that a condition of joining NATO is allowing NATO troops into your borders, right?
It means the US could build bases in Finland.
I'm assuming you're smart enough to know why Russia doesn't want that
>>79562587
kek
>>79562320
Sure Merkel, how's them immigrants suiting you.
>>79562401
Checnians got murderd. After many years hard figthing they beat the shit out of the vodka niggers. Putin then started the fals flag operation at beslan, murderd children to start a new war.
In gergia russians took all acces points to the shitland and blamed georgians.
In ukraine too stealing krim at more important the military ports.
If there are lessons to be learnd its.
A: vodka niggers will murder inocents for strategic assets
B: your alone with no back up you will suck vodka nigger cock.
Better for you to join nato, eu or have shit ton of wmd' s to take to vodka niggers with you.
Russia is like a overly agressiv dog. It only understands violance.
>>79563050
Not a dog the bear metaphor is very accurate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNA
>>79563050
t. mohammed turkroach
>>79562541
You mean the americans figthing comunist uprisings in asia after geting asked for help by the legal goverments?
You mean the americans figthing cartels and comunists in south america again after getting asked for assistance?
Oh boy americans are so evile. Oh boy oh boy oh boy.
I wonder who staged all the comunist coups?
Gave all the ak's and migs and t tanks to this farmers. Wo staged riots and murderd its way throu this regions.
I see america responding, on behalf of the goverments.
>>79563050
You are missing the key puzzle in your deluded ramblings Hanz.
Who started the violence? The chechens, the georgians and the ukrainians started the violence.
In other words, they drank the cool-aid and started shit and you are now bitching and moaning at the victor for being strong enough to put them in their place.
You are weak Hanz. You are also stupid.
>>79553549
Yeah , but unlike during the winter war the russians at least have a more powerful and better trained air force. Plus , things like FOAB's and other such weapons could minimize their casualties, also tactical nukes. I'm personally happy that you guys could join NATO, but this has to stop soon as i doubt that with nationalistic feelings on the rise in Russia i doubt that Putin's successor will be happy about this.
>>79562851
Of course Russia doesn't fucking want that. They want to invade Finland.
Peacefully, with Finland having no allies.
>>79563623
No hanz is member of eu and nato.
you vodka niggers try to destroy this organisations, makes us only stronger.
And thx for proving my points vodka nigger.
United we stand, devided we fall.
>>79563566
I don't understand you flag, bbq-man, why are those stars randomly spaced and different size.
>>79563877
Nice delusion. Hanz. You started two world wars. Now you're bullying the UK and every nationalist politician across the EU.
Ofcourse you need Russia to be the boogeyman, it's the classic tactic to help your abomination of an EU organization. The enemy without to keep your shitty EU together.
>>79563737
An American will tell me how Finland should deal with Russia.
>>79563827
Putin, really a thread, so maybe you should some tax-payer monez to nato, Really, ductch people need some help paying F35
>>79564083
You need to be told apparently because you have the memory of a mouse despite being a Fin. A country with a long history with Russia.
Boohoo, the soviets invaded Finland. Get over it. Russia is not the Soviet Union and just like Imperial Russia had good relations with Finland (and is to thank for your existence as a country) so can the Russian Federation.
>>79564083
Well, Americans have been dealing with modern Russia for over 60 years, Chang.
Your country only had to fight 1930's Russia (at its weakest) and still lost.
>>79558718
Kek
>>79559148
Odin is a Germanic god, Finns are Fenno-ugric. Soldiers of Odin is a retarded name for a Finnish nationalist group
we love our dear leader.
>>79561066
>>79561349
Don't worry I've got dank memes for everyone
>>79563827
Even if they invade Finland, there will be a huge ruckus. Ukraine was enough to make people react and no one knows anything about Ukraine. Everyone loves Finland and our memes and will see it as repeat of Winter War/Continuation War, while Finland lost the war we won the moral points.
>>79564290
A bullet will be a fast reminder of our long standing friendship. it will travel fast, i hope you will catch our friendship.
Why does NATO and the EU insist on annoying Russia?
To me Russia is playing the role of Germany following the treaty of Versailles .
They gave up too much following the USSR break up, but now they are not allowed to take any of it back
Used to hate Russia until I met a Russian girl. Sexist language for a girl to speak (if spoken softly) in bed
If the collapse of the west ever ruins my set of islands I am definitely off to Russia, already learnt some of the language
>>79564290
>>79564083
The "Diet of Porvoo" gave Finland more autonomy than any subject in the Russian empire. You guys even were allowed to keep your constitution , royal family and paid minimal taxes to russia. You guys would still be Swedish if not for the empire. Shame the USSR had to fuck everything up.
>>79564822
Are you seriously implying russia will invade indand ?
>>79565056
Anything is possible
>>79564905
And there you have it. This Fin wants war with Russia and is just looking for an excuse. I can only hope you're a retarded minority.
>>79546863
It's pretty clear OP, if they join NATO that means they are no longer "neutral" in a strategic sense. So putin would keep a much closer eye on them as opposed to a sort of live and let live policy.
>>79547385
The initial shock wave isn't radioactive.
>>79564905
can't wait for the time you guys try to lie your killings as gay faggot finnish snipers
>>79565230
I bet this guy is a really American patriot.
I mean he'll tell you he'd gas all Cubans.
>>79565141
It"s the quantum way of viewing things.Matter is just a coincidential manifestation of mathematical probabilities. Get bent and like it, suomi..
>>79564362
>Soldiers of Odin is a retarded name for a Finnish nationalist group
True dat, but even more retarded is that you have them in fucking 'murica now too.
>>79565141
You allied with Nazi Germany but didn't fully blockade Leningrad during WW2. For that you earned some forgiveness from the Russians who are now willing to live peacefully with you.
You will fuck this up if you join NATO.
>>79565668
>True dat, but even more retarded is that you have them in fucking 'murica now too.
Probably the largest demographic in America (for now) are those of Germanic descent.
>>79565230
A russki with US proxy? This is shocking!
>>79546863
This is poorly translated
Our news got the facts straight.
Of course Russia has military forces within 1500 kilometeres of Finland, it would be idiotic not to.
What Putin actually meant, was, the forces that would previously stayed away, 1500 kilometeres away, would have to be moved nearer the finish border.
At least that's how our news translated and reported it.
Addiditional units moved near the Finnish border which would not be needed if Finland doesn't join NATO.
And this is perfectly normal reaction to be quite honest lads.
Seems like if they're going to threaten them, they should definitely join NATO.
>>79565776
>Muh ancestry
Topkek
>>79565802
Or maybe I'm a russki in the US.
