.
huh, really makes me think!
hmmmmmmm........................................................................................................................
>watch a debate on minimum wage
>they keep referencing successful socialist countries like Sweden, Norway and Denmark.
No Nordic countries has minimum wage. Yet they keep saying that socialists countries in Scandinavia has them.
>>79534006
If you want more money, take on more risk. People higher up the chain actually stand to lose something if they don't do their job right, while you will always collect your cheque no matter how well, or poorly, the business does. Nothing's holding you back from making your own money.
>>79534006
Anti-Semitic cartoons?
>>79534425
Nice strawman
>>79534900
>le rich people are better at risk management meme
The government bails them out constantly.
>>79534425
/thread
>>79535138
why does the government bail them out? Think about it. I know you socialists are retarded but just take a while. The government bails them out, because the economy depends on them. The rich person has created a company which employs thousands of people and which the economy couldn't survive without.
>>79535055
How is it a strawman if that's exactly what OP's picture is depicting.
>>79534900
>what is the 2008 crash
>what is too big to fail
He's not wrong
>>79535830
If capitalism and the free market are just taking their course for the better when companies collapse, why should the government bail them out?
>>79534711
To be fair, I'm not liberal but this picture is kind of bullshit.
For the people who get handed cushy jobs and the loads that don't deserve it, they're not really responsible. Plus it comes with the wealth that they should be responsible for paying their fair share since a percentage of their earnings benefits mankind way more than 50% or so of sometime making $30,000.
Otherwise fuck the unemployed gibsmedat scum.
>>79535830
truth. poor people need to stop whining and just become lehman brothers or something. just need to work hard and show dedication. thats all you need. hard work and dedication. poor people are just lazy.
What are you retards going to do when robots take all the retail and delivery jobs out there in 20 years?
This autism assumes every business owner is a billionaire
>>79536822
welfare parasite
>>79536708
Yeah! Poor people are crazy lazy, fuck them. Make your own wealth
>>79534006
I agree cheap labor is bad.
that's why im #tweeting4twenty for a 20 dollar minimum wage.
>>79536696
>their fair share
>>79536696
Clearly everyone with a suit and tie is working a cushy job and didn't work at all to get it
>>79536964
Not even. Im just saying what are people going to do when that happens? And don't say it won't because as soon as they become cheap and efficient enough they'll replace people.
The world would be a better place if trust fund babies didn't exist.
Imagine if their massive inheritances went to building power plants and repairing roads and dams
>>79537285
We're quickly moving to a point where humanity is obsolete. Human genocide at the hands of superior AI soon.
>>79537320
That's what China did during the communist takeover.
>>79537416
All these people worried about a fucking wall and some sand coons have no idea What fuck nut mess these next 60 years are going to be. Acidic oceans and over population, es gonna be a real great time
>>79534006
>Filename
>>79537835
The race specific virus is almost done. Not to mention that Skynet will be on our side. The future is going to glorious.
>>79534638
That's because a proper socialist country doesn't need a minimum wage. Citizens have their needs met without the government needlessly interfering with wages of private businesses.
>>79538422
>>79534006
>Obama and democrats flood America with immigrants both legal and illegal
>Obama and democrats pay companies to dump their American workers and hire cheaper immigrants
>liberals blame corporations for the value of labor declining and them getting paid less
The retardation of the left is reaching critical mass
>>79534006
Here's how I see it:
>1% argument is real
>America is a partial socialist society
>Few hold most
>Disparity larger than it has ever been
>Politics designed to protect the holders of wealth
>Politics designed to help the poor, more accurately a way to prevent massive protest or uprising
>Bread and circuses
>Unless your holdings exceed an incredible amount, you are part of the lower caste of the system
>Dog eat dog world
>Life isn't fair
>Central banks powering nations still private
>Collect a tax on all currency and debt in circulation
>Quality of life has risen due to technological advances
>People demand more of what they see
>Do not qualify for higher standards
>Job market and global market a zero sum game
>Market depends on poor workers to supply wealthy nations with goods and services
>People wanting to start a venture, business or improve status compete against monolithic entities and laws designed to protect the entities
>The entire housing, vehicle and private business market owned by banking elite through debt
>Made it impossible for well-off middle class man to build a home without debt
>Made it impossible for people to buy homes without debt
>Over a 30 year mortgage term, you pay more in interest than the value of home
>Few hold sway over these rules of life
>The few entrust authority with a monopoly on violence to enforce over the people
>People too afraid to challenge the authority
>General population result in becoming indentured servants to a system that prays on indolence and ignorance; banking system is paid interest, central bank is paid interest, authority is paid interest through taxes
>Born into the system
>Must play by the rules or become a social outcast
There is no changing this. We are too weak.
>>79538844
Yeah seriously. The socialist used to be anti free movement of people. They say it is a way of multinational companies to have cheap labour on tap, and to undermine the rights and needs of the workers.
The idea has some how been replaced with the strange idea that if you are against immigration you must be a racist.
Well jewed.
>>79536927
Maybe not, but many of them _are_ weasels that make excuses when something doesn't go their way.
>>79536696
>For the people who get handed cushy jobs and the loads that don't deserve it
>>79534006
A raised minimum wage literally cripples the ability of people opening up business.
I will post a copypasta I made several months ago regarding of me being unable to open a fast food restaurant in Denmark. Please debunk me or point out anything wrong in the following post.
>>79539380
so let's say i open a small fast food restaurant in denmark. open for 12 hours per day.
let's say that on average, i have 30 customers per hour. they, on average, gonna spend 10$. however, my profit is 4$, since the average cost of my imported materials is 6$.
now then, 4$ per customer. 4x30 = 120$ per hour. 120x12=
1440$ profit per day.
say i have 1 cashier (12h), 1 waiter (12h), 1 cleaner (6h) and 2 cooks (12h).
(employees obviously work in rotation, working 12 hours straight is against labor laws)
21x12 + 21x12 + 21x6 + 42x12 =
252 + 252 + 504 +126 =
1134$ wage expenses per day
1440 - 1134 = 306$ daily profit (12 hours worth). AS A BUSINESSMAN.
21 x 12 = 252$ daily profit (12 hours worth). AS A MINIMUM WAGE WORKER.
WITHOUT TAXES, INSURANCE, AND MAINTAINANCE OF EQUIPMENT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. and assuming that i will ALWAYS have 30 customers per hour.
why would i ever invest 100,000$+ into buying the building and necessary equipment for a high risk/low profit establishment, when i can make almost half as much by working as a minimum wage worker for 6 hours every day? what misscalculation have i done?
Poor people just need to get reborned into wealthier families.
It can't get simpler enough
>>79539435
It doesn't really do anything but cause the price of everything to go up; people have more money, but everything else is more expensive. it's not really the straw that breaks the proverbial camels back, but it's pretty pointless.
(ausfailure with a minimum wage law here)
>>79538956
>People too afraid to challenge the authority
I agree with almost all of what you said but this. Occupy Wall Street stemmed from Pepe wanting to challenge authority. The problem was that it was filled with dumbasses who don't understand how the flow of money or regulations work in the slightest. They should've been protesting government intervention in the economy, not monopolistic entities working in a system that benefits them.
>>79536696
Life isnt fair, you dont get 50% of the pot because the guy next to you got a full house and you only had a pair.
When you're born its a dice roll, sometimes you get fucked other-times you get the best. Your job is to counteract the dice being fucked or when you have the good roll ensure that it doesn't become fucked.
All these socialists and commies need to be lynched.
>>79539435
Obv 15$ min wage. You dont deserve any profits peasant
>>79539882
there were people that did participate in that protest that did understand. but the entire thing was subverted by SJWs
>>79536613
The government shouldn't bail out any company. The unemployment caused by s company failing may suck for a little while but if it's in the position that it needs to be bailed out, it isn't doing well on its own. I understand why the government bails companies out but, in my opinion, companies should be allowed to fail so better companies can take their place.
>>79534006
OP your picture is missing about 100,000,000 people holding that same sign
why not tie minimum wage to inflation? you wouldnt have to worry about it ever again
>>79534006
They know they are like this. But it's human nature to be like this.
>>79540570
>why not tie minimum wage to inflation
Because then it would be harder to suppress calls to raise the minimum wage. As there would not have to be any calls to do so.
So what's the effect of Commiefornia's min wage hike? I heard all the nignogs want their hours cut so they can still receive benefits.
>>79540813
>Commiefornia
opinion discarded
>>79534425
What is this about this fat bearded faggot
He just has "that" look, you know?
>>79534425
> [picture of fat guy with a top hat holding bags of money]
That really is their entire argument, isn't it?
>>79540979
>i am a fat guy with a top hat and a factory in china
good for you
>>79534006
Your wages would be higher if there wasn't an artificially high increase in the demand for jobs due to lax immigration policies.
But there I go expecting a socialist to understand supply/demand.
I hate my species. I wish I could be a dog instead.
>>79534638
No, you guys have something better than a minimum wage: a functional social safety net that people can actually get by on.
>>79540918
I want actual data, not feefee propaganda from the Department of Truth, comrade.
>>79541172
why would you want to be someone's bitch?
>>79534006
The supply of jobs in this country is now up for grabs for the entire world to demand. You should really feel lucky they are paying you at all at this point.
Close the borders and punish companies for leaving the country, and these problems go away, it's as simple as that.
But you liberal faggots just plug your ears and scream
> RACISM
>>79534006
>Prices increase because more people can afford stuff
>Not hurting the economy
>>79538844
>implying Obama is leftist
>>79540813
I was working at a small pizza place when the min wage hike went into effect. Suddenly we were short labor hours all over the place and people were getting their hours cut. Managers had often had to work for no pay just to keep the doors open with drivers on deck. I quit. Talked to some store owners in the area -- same story. Only place I could get decent hours is a warehouse owned by Amazon.
>>79542184
> To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling conventions. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated.
- Obama, Dreams of my Father
He's definitely a leftist, you dipshit, he just can't pass any of his policies because America is mostly conservative due to our puritanical background. We're not godless Commies who worship the state like the European, eternal cucks are.
>>79542206
>Only place I could get decent hours is a warehouse owned by Amazon.
And those warehouses are filled with foreigners, right. Mostly non-English speaking Hispanics, but also quite a few west Africans.
>>79542604
Who cares what his personal beliefs are? He has been consistently """centrist""" since he got into office.
>>79540813
Everyone I knew had their hours cut. It's been terrible for the working man here. If only they had cut taxes for businesses and the job creators instead of giving us "more" wages. This shit is awful.
>>79542184
>The scale is only two directions
Why? I could easily argue fascism is not the sole domain of the "right"
So none of you libfags can answer the supply/demand question?
>>79534006
>lemme strawman the shit out of everything
>>79542206
Thats jsut your bosses pulling the plug cos they cant make the money they used to, all the while letting you wageslaves work for free hahahaha
>>79541313
In this economy, he already is. A dog would be an upgrade.
>>79542184
>actual scale
Thoroughly incorrect
>>79536696
Fuck off. My mother was a crackhead who drank bleach when I was a child. All of you faggots have loving and caring mothers. This obviously means you are responsible for the death of my mother, and I am entitled to some of the love that your mother's give you.
>>79546280
>conservative on the side of liberty
Fucking kill yourself tripfag.
>>79546758
>he doesn't even know the definition of liberty
nice
>>79534006
>the minimum wage only applies to big businesses
>big business profit margins are JUST FINE
>implying big businesses don't support raising the minimum wage to kill small business competition
>minimum wage should be more than the value of the work done
>inflation isn't making you poor, goy, it's it's the rich who give you your paycheck
>>79546280
huh.
really makes you think
>>79547099
>implying big businesses don't support raising the minimum wage to kill small business competition
They don't. They have more than enough money to automate if it has to come to that.
>>79546758
Conservatives are for smaller government. Smaller government is liberty.
>>79546758
If you look at the big picture, Conservatives want more independence while Liberals want more government
