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Which are more important, animal rights or property rights?
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Which are more important, animal rights or property rights?

Even if I intend malice why should anyone else be allowed to break my property at my expense to rescue an animal?
Should the state be allowed to seize your home to use as a dog shelter as well?

Animals do not have rights, we should only be good stewards of creation as the Bible says.
Attributing humanity to animals at any level is peta-tier appeal to emotion.
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Property rights over animal rights, if I catch some dreg breaking my window to get my dog out of the car I'll break his fucking spine.
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The officer was being a good steward by protecting the life of a helpless animal. If you intend malice you are by definition not being benevolent or good.
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>>79483241
>Using the Bible as reason against animal rights
Christianity is the ultimate blue pill
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>>79483500

Pets, however, do have rights, the fact that you lock your dog in your car it's your own responsibility. I'd rather have my car window broken down than go in jail for killing a puppy.
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>>79483987
Wow great post you sure convinced me with those hot opinions
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>>79483987
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>>79484115
Your response shows that you clearly have no idea what he's talking about.

Delete your 4chan account and never come back.
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>>79484038
there's been cases where these fucking lunatics break windows and snatch your dog just for social media fame, I wouldn't cook my dog, but 5 minutes in the sun isn't going to harm him while I get a few things from the store.
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>>79484175
Christians lean right? What is your point? Most conservatives are bluepilled anyway
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>>79484303
> but 5 minutes in the sun isn't going to harm him while I get a few things from the store.
It's long enough to kill him actually, you can just leave your fucking puppy at home though.
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humans are quite literally animals
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>>79484303
Yes it will.
I left a puppy in the sun for 30 minutes and it died.

If you don't want responsibility don't get a pet in the first place.
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>>79484460
But muh Gawd told me I'm speshul
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as long as i can blow my dog i'm happy
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>>79483241
It's animal abuse and you can be fined and jailed for it.
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>>79484439
No chance if it's under 35 degrees, and these eco warriors will break your window on an overcast day to get their hit of likes.
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I dont see why you would leave a dog in a car with the windows up, nor do i see praising the government for breaking the window. Surely they could find the car owner quickly.

Basically both parties are retarded.
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>>79484424
My point here is that secular ideology is contrary to the "red pill" by being liberal, based on moral relativism
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>>79483241
Property rights.
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>>79484500
Hey dumbass i didn't say 30 minutes, these fuckwits will pounce as soon as you walk in the store and smash your window
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>>79483500
What if it was an Emu breaking your car window?
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>>79484500
I am for animal rights and I do support PETA somehow, but on the other hand I dislike dogs, so I'm quite neutral against them. When I see a dog on the street I leave him be; on the other hand I usually feed and pet street cats.

And of course your puppy have died after 30 minutes in the sun in this barren hellhole.

>>79484115
He should.
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>>79484713
>puppy have died
has*
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>>79484602
It's like parking in front of a hydrant.
They could run the hose around, but they break your windows and thread it through your car because you're an asshole.
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>>79484583
>>79484663
The point is: even if it doesn't kill it, it does hurt it and it's animal abuse.

Don't get a pet if you're not going to take care of it, is it that hard?
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>>79484707
You don't mess with emus m8.
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You can have both if you treat your animals well and don't act like a nigger
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>>79483241
Being with nature and treating animals with care is divine grace. Those who do harm to God's creatures does harm to God himself.
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>>79484605
Getting your sense of morality from a 2 thousand year old book written by sand niggers is about as bluepilled as it gets.
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>>79483500

Funny, if I catch someone locking an animal in a hot car, I'm breaking your window and kicking your ass if one peep comes out your cocksucker
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>>79484861
But you cant, the state infringes on my property rights by criminalizing preparation of cats, dogs, and horses for food
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>>79484861

This
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Leaving dogs in hot cars is illegal, when a Cop sees a crime taking place, it is their obligation to intervene just the same as if they saw someone breaking into your house from outside.
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>>79484982
bait
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>>79484663
How would anyone know how long the dog was in there already and how long you will be in the store? Take care of your pet, or you deserve everything thats happening afterwards and worse.
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>>79483241
Wow, OP, you're a psychopath. Animals are living beings, and even if you don't think so, they DO have certain legal rights.

Btw. did you also pee your bed or play with fire as a kid? If so then you will probably become a serial murderer, because those are the three indicators (two needed for murderers).
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>>79484175
>those straight-up political churches at the bottom
makes you wonder how often they straight up break 501c3 rules.
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>muh property
>muh bahble
>muh children of god
and by the way guys, we NEED religion for moral guidence otherwise we will run around killing eachother
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>>79484762
Actually they run it straight through your windows so that the hose doesn't kink and kill someone when the pressure backup causes it to burst
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>>79484978
I'll clock you straight over the noggin with a crow bar, you silly window breaking cunt.
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>>79483241
>Animals do not have rights, we should only be good stewards of creation as the Bible says.

Leaving a dog to die in a car isn't being a very good steward of creation you know.

>Attributing humanity to animals at any level is peta-tier appeal to emotion.

Nigger what? Animals feel. This has already been proven. If you believe the medieval notion they are just mechanical beings then you're on par with a mudslime goatfarmer and should just blow yourself up inorder to kill infidels. There is a reason people are disgusted by the practice of halal slaughtering. I don't feel bad for killing animals but I don't want to torture them like you do. And yes leaving a dog into a hot car is torture.
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>>79485235

I think I'd shoot you dead before you got a swing
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>>79484978
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>>79485234
Even if they can get it around without the risk of kinking, they do it anyways to make a point.
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>>79485398
Aren't you cool with your big flashy gun. Does it make you feel like a big boy?
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Well I don't know I'm just glad that that pupper is OK. Are libertarians generally heartless people?
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>>79485630
I'm not a libertarian
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>>79485427

I don't know where you live, but I'm in Texas. Temp here in the summer is over 110. Inside the car is god knows how hot. I once left a CD jewel case on the passenger seat in the morning on the way to work and when I left for lunch it was warped and wrinkled. The plastic melted. This happened between 9-11:30am.
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>>79485595

It makes me feel like no one is going to crack my skull with a crowbar
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>>79485432
>without the risk of kinking
doesn't happen if you're snaking it around a car. Your house is literally burning down right before your eyes.

Do you think a team of firefighters is going to want either:

A) a 5% chance that their water supply is going to violently explode, causing the house to be lost and potentially injuring/killing bystanders or fire crew or damaging the fire engine

B) a civil suit for $200 to replace some jacknob's windows
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>>79485630
I don't think the heartlessness is related with the political views; I am a national democrat and I really lack empathy and tolerance to human beings. But that doesn't mean I'm cruel or something, it might be influenced by my daily schedule and the music I listen to.

But libertarians seem dumb to me, they are by definition uncaring since everything is labeled as a "good", including critters.
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>>79485744
Nigger my family has been in this state since the republic
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>>79485991

Then you know more than 20 minutes in a car here in the summer could probably be deadly for a small animal
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>>79485630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCozh_vbYdM
This is the average libertarian.

>>79485923
Alright dude whatever you say.
I'm not really interested in drawing diagrams about this shit.
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>>79486086
Not a public concern
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Animals don't have rights. You shouldn't be mean to them and abuse them, but they don't have rights.

I don't think you understand what rights are.
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>>79486182

Well, I'm just telling you I'm here, in Dallas, and if I see it, window is getting broken
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>>79483241
>Attributing humanity to animals at any level is peta-tier appeal to emotion
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>>79484982
Here's your (you)
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>>79486845
Do you disagree? Do you feel it is a public concern that I shouldn't eat horse?
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>>79485022
I broke a window of a car to get a dog out with the permission of the cops. I worked as a bouncer at this bar. It was something along the lines of midday when one motherfucker drove his car to a parking space near our bar. He came into have a drink but ended up having several. At this point I got pissed and told him to get the dog out of the car. The guy told me to fuck off at which point I ordered him to leave. At this point I thought that at least now the fucker will let the dog out of that car. Nope. He walked to the other side of the street to another bar. At this point I decided to call the cops about the dog. They told me that it will be awhile so I have their permission to stop a crime in progress by breaking a window and getting that dog out which I did.

The guy arrived before the cops and as you'd might guess got totally pissed so he came in to threaten me. After a throwing around empty threats he decided to go to his car to call the cops on me but while doing this he decided to to but the car keys into the ignition. Wrong fucking move. Cops arrived and arrested him for animal abuse, illegal threats and DUI.

Just wanted to share the story with you. I apologize for possible typos and bad english since I've just woken up and worked evening shift last night. Haven't had my morning coffee yet either.

pic not really related.
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>>79486220
Russiabro has it right, animals don't necessarily have rights because they lack the capacity to make conscious decisions (within the realm of the choice they make and the impact it has on others), that being said, it does not mean that we shouldn't care for them, lest we stoop to the level of subhuman civilizations, such as the Chinese.
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>>79486845
the actual physical use of broken english
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>>79486976
>Do you disagree? Do you feel it is a public concern that I shouldn't eat horse?

Not necessarily, I just think you're fishing for an argument on some moral level, like yes in theory you could consume whatever animal you wanted if you legally own it, but that doesn't mean you aren't expected to meet societal or moral standards in doing so, unless you are going to pretend to be some edgelord that "doesn't give any fucks".
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>>79487259
It's a moral issue. In this way, animal protection and property rights are in direct conflict
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>>79483500
And what if your dog did die in that car and you found out someone had been standing there watching it happen? You wouldn't be angry with them?
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>Which are more important, animal rights or property rights?
Animals ARE property

Some eco-terrorist breaking into someone's car deserves to have his brain blown out by a 9mm
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>>79487423
>It's a moral issue. In this way, animal protection and property rights are in direct conflict

Perhaps it is, I mean ultimately I'm not here to police the decision of your desire to consume horse meat at the end of the day, I'm just stating that such a decision will most likely earn the ire of your peers or the society at large since the traditional utility of horses is not consumption, thus creating the issue with others and your consumption of it is what I'm elaborating I guess.
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I like to think I would kill anyone I saw severely abusing animals. But I eat meat from the grocery store, does that make me a hypocrite?
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>>79483241

Animal rights. Only a nigger would lock up a dog inside a car on a hot day. Are you a nigger anon? What next, you'll tell me that Michael Vick dindu nuthin?

>>79483500

SAY THAT TO MY FACE FUCKER, NOT ONLINE, AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!
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>>79487628
It's not eco-terrorism if it's in accordance with the law. Last year in Finland police defacto legalized window breakings if animals are in a harms way. Didn't cause a huge surge in car breakings but made normal animal caring people calm down and made idiots think twice before leaving a animal to a hot car.
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>>79483241
reminder that true conservatives care about the environment and all of the god given animals on this earth.
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>>79483241
Animal rights, you are subhuman if you want to activley harm them.

Animals are like children in a way, they don't know any better, they're innocents
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>>79488560
story behind this?

also, snakes are fucking terrifying.
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>>79488560
Sleep tight, pupper.
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>>79488254
No, why would it?
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TRICK QUESTION

animals ARE property, so it's a subset of property rights

you have a right to the animals you own. it is a crime for someone else to steal your animals

/thread
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>>79483241
>not showing sympathy towards dogs

gtfo muhammed
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>>79483241
Appealing to the shitposting source of them all, the Bible.
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>>79488685
>Animals are like children in a way
Yes, delicious.
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>>79488823
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Animal rights don't even exist, so I'm going to go with the latter.
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>>79488877
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>>79488560
I'm almost surr some fucking gutter trash Chink was behind this
>>79488823
Fuck off Ling Wang
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>>79488804
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>>79485427
>it's beat down!
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>time!

Every fucking time.
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>>79487628
If I see an animal in a hot car,I'm breaking the fucking windows,and calling the cops

if the "owner" comes back,I'm drawing my CC and keeping his ass on the ground,my boot on his neck and his face on the hot asphalt until the cops come.

Fight me,literal cuck
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>>79483241
Animals are property.
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>>79483500
>>79483241
Locking an animal in a hot car like that is neglect. The officer is in the right on this.
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>>79489189
I'm going to break into your car because you neglected your sunglasses by leaving them in the car.
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>>79484554
ahahahahaha

pretty good, leaf
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>>79489252
>sunglasses are living organisms that require a certain temperature range to maintain homeostasis
2/10 I know you're a troll
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>>79489406
It's a living organism that I have dominion over, not you.
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>>79489527
But the law says you can't treat them that way.

The rule of law is the foundation of civilisation.
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>>79486182
But it is. Try reading up on law, buddy.
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>>79489040
>If I see an animal in a hot car,I'm breaking the fucking windows,and calling the cops

Based Ameri-kun knows that he has a civic duty to stop crimes in progress and since leaving an animal in a hot car is animal abuse which is illegal. Ofcourse one has to also bear the responsibilities of ones actions which in a case of breaking a car window is to compensate for the damages done if appropriate officials so degree.

The more I see libertarians arguing freely on the internet the more I realize that they are narcissistic sociopaths who find concepts of duty, responsibility and compassion as total enigmas.
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>>79488762
Because supposedly animals in processing plants live a shit life and are abused, and I indirectly benefit from that buy getting to enjoy eating their meat.
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>>79490182
Libertarians are libertarians because they are extreme degenerates. That's their primary motivation. They just want to be free to fuck a toddler in the asshole while smoking meth and firing a gun into the air.
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>>79483241
Just a friendly reminder that if you have no empathy for other living creatures and put them in situations like that when they aren't for consumption, then you are no better than a fucking shit-skin in africa with a sub-80 IQ who likes to kill small animals for fun.
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>>79490487
Isn't libertarianism close to anarchy then? I never really understood the ideology.

>dont step on snek
that basically means everyone for himself?
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ITT that nigger that got big by a dog while trying to steal some white family's TV
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>>79490487
What the hell
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>>79489888
The law is unjust.
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>>79483241
Unless you're hunting, if you purposely hurt animals you're just a dick. At least try to hurt something that can fight back.
If you were accidentally hurting the animal you should be nothing but thankful if somebody saves it from your retarded actions.
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>>79489008
>>79488905
These examples are dumb. Those animals were raised by those people for consumption and were more than likely killed quickly, and did NOT perish of fucking heat exhaustion because you were too fucking stupid to bring your property along with you.
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>>79491005
Even when hunting you try to finish the animal off as quickly and painlessly as possible. Only a psychopath enjoys to see living beings suffer needlessly.
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If I witness cruel animal abuse I am mozambique drilling your worthless ass

Scratch that,I'm putting you in a fucking 5x5 black metal box and hauling your locked up ass Into the Mojave desert


DO NOT FUCK WITH ANIMALS
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>>79491038
Actually, the way dogs are traditionally prepared, they go through a LOT of pain before dying. Usually they are either boiled alive or have their back legs chopped off first.

The adrenaline rush supposedly makes the meat more tender.
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>>79491424
Chinks have no soul.
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>tfw I hate animal abusers
>tfw my dad is one
>tfw I fear and respect my dad

I just dont know
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The car can be repaired, you can't repair a dead dog. There's a clear lesser of two evils here. If someone did break a window to free a dying animal from your car you'd likely face prosecution for animal cruelty.
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>>79491666
I didn't know that satan had a father.
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>>79483241
Anmals are property desu
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>>79491362
edgy
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>>79492027
Well we're children of God and so are angels. Satan used to be an angel so logically Satans father is.....
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most serial killers started with killing animals for lulz
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>>79492027
You also don't know that 616 is the real number of the beast, you unbelievable ignorant cuck.

You also also don't know that it's a simple numerical system designed to name the Church's enemy (or Satan as it literally translates) at the time, not an actual number of an actual devil.
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>>79483241
Property right.
Dogs are haram anyway
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>>79492373
Killing animals for fun is edgy
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>>79487628
Your pic really does fit you
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>>79483241
>There are people who go around breaking peoples car windows because they *think* the dog is hot but isn't
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>>79492428
>>79492583
Jesus christ folks, calm down. I was just joking.
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awoos > every goddamn rights
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Muslims hate dogs
This should be reason enough for you to like dogs.
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>>79493683
Hating dogs such as Pitbulls and rotweilers are competly justifiable. Niggers of the dog world, once had a fucking rotweiller try acting like he was going to attack my precious golden retriever.
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>>79493976
>Niggers of the dog world
Niggers can't be trained, only chained
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>>79493976
Those are breeds that should never have existed in the first place desu, but it's not the dogs fault.
They should be humanely put down but the blame should be entirely on the owners and breeders..
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>>79488823
>>79488877
>>79488905
Sauce on the video
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>>79494071
House niggers were trained. After the slaves were liberated they did better than their field nigger cousins. After the civil rights movement the descendants of house niggers even prospered when the field niggers remained in ghettos blasting eachother in drive-by shooting for some stupid gang wars for drug turfs.

House niggers are what we call black people and field niggers are just niggers.
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>>79483500
maybe in your nanny state

you won't lay a finger on me in America you spider nigger
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>>79490983
You're either retarded or trolling.
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>>79484303
Just park your car under a tree or something Straya so the sun doesn't hit your car
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>>79486156
gg bro
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>>79483241
>as the bible says
DROPPED
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>>79489527

not anymore

duh

found the window broken is this your dog no I haven't seen your gps sry.
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>>79484218
>4chan account
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>OP was left in a car by her parents as a child
>Makes thread
Take your little rebellion somewhere else
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>>79483241
t. Shitskin
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>>79483241
you don't have the right to own an animal though,
don't you need a dog licence?
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>>79483500

Surely even from a property rights perspective the actions of the police man was correct. You would assume that a normal person would consider their dog to be more valuable than a car window. In which case the officer put your property rights first when he saw your more valuable property (Dog) being destroyed by a less valuable part of your property.
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