Why are leftists so obsessed with the "neoliberalism" meme these days? Pic mildly related, just had a friend claim that Friedman was one, despite the fact that he hated liberals.
friedman was a liberal, but liberal meant something different back then
friedman was a liberal, but americans are retarded and changed the definition of liberal
in europe liberal is still used to describe right wing politicians, at least in norway
Naomi Klein, The Shock (in)Doctrin(ation)e
>>79465792
Neoliberalism is a lot different than modern liberalism...
>>79465792
Friedman wasn't exactly a conservative and modern conservatives certainly don't jive with him.
I wouldn't had ever called him a liberal or neoliberal. Not in a million years.
>>79465990
>>79466084
2 posts by this ID
Because in the whole world apart from the US liberal means free market advocate you ignorant fuck.
>>79465792
>Why are leftists so obsessed with the "neoliberalism" meme these days? Pic mildly related, just had a friend claim that Friedman was one, despite the fact that he hated liberals.
They use negative sounding, vague buzzwords to describe their enemies while using positive sounding ones to describe themselves. Sophists survive off of language manipulation, of which 99% of leftists are.
>>79466095
Really? That's all they took from that book? If anything it proves that markets need to be freer.
>>79466476
why is this so hot
>>79466476
This looks so comfy. Sleep well lil bb
Neoliberalism is capitalism. Don't get it confused with social liberalism.
>confusing liberal, neoliberal and libertarian
>>79465792
>daily friedjew thread
Kill yourself jew.
>>79466646
what are comfy threads, i keep liking shit that qualifies as comfy
>>79466476
sauce?
Do most americans really not know the definition of liberalism in 2016?
>>79466084
same here
>>79466822
Comfy like this.
>>79466084
>in europe liberal is still used to describe right wing politicians
No, it's actually the other way around. Americans are the ones who consider them "right wing"
In Europe no serious conservative would describe himself as liberal
>>79467031
oh like
safe and cozy feeling?
This is liberal in regard to economics. Friedman was an advocate, but his influence on Reagan is much overstated.
>>79466084
>>79466441
>>79466846
>Le stupid americans don't know what liberal means XD
>OP is almost certainly talking about other Americans who use the term "liberal" in the American fashion, making it perfectly correct given the context
You Yuropoors have some serious insecurities as you seem desperate to prove how much smarter than Americans you are.
>>79467317
Yeeeee.
The left has a knack for turning any word into a pejorative.
It's sensible liberals who want to distance themselves from the fringe idiotic majority. Can you blame them?
>>79467579
thanks anon,
im a huge fan of comfy then, maybe its my mommy issues
>>79467734
>fringe idiotic majority
Wuzza wuzza.
>>79467734
"Neoliberals" sound like the sensible ones though.
>>79467482
>http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/noam-chomsky-how-word-liberal-has-been-totally-distorted-america
>>79467236
you're wrong, fucking kurwa. nobody cares about soviet politics. go lick the boots of your premier
a conservative is not a liberal, neither in europe nor america, and you're honestly so retarded i'm not gonna bother discussing with you properly, other than insult your worthless 3rd world eastern european peasant country
>( ( ( F r i e d m a n ) ) )
>>79465792
Because (with a fair bit of encouragement from wealthy globalists and kikes,) liberals reached an unspoken consensus that Critical Thought<Critical Theory.
You can only deconstruct so much until you inevitably have nothing left to criticize, at which point you start blaming everyone else for your own problems.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2010/Sumnerneoliberalism.html
Good write up on neoliberalism if anyone's interested.
>>79465792
You're uninformed about neoliberalism, and the history of political ideas in general. Friedman is probably the most well-known advocate of neoliberalism.
>>79465792
so you don't figure out it's the same as the olde liberalism
>>79468178
Based article tbqh
>>79465792
Neoliberalism is what the left perceives to be the "bad guys". It's basically their term for big business, corrupt, capitalist politicians.
>>79468063
>a conservative is not a liberal, neither in europe nor america
You're the one that said he is you brainless nordic ape
>"in europe liberal is still used to describe right wing politicians"
neoliberalism is shit
if you support it you are basically a globalist in all but name. It's the exact same ideology, open borders, internationalist, outsourcing, oligarchy, etc.
>>79469138
> that pic
> Mises
> "neoliberalism is shit"
Boy, oh boy.
>>79469138
You just described the U.S. today, though.
>>79469269
fuck off libcucktardian
>>79469294
the US is neoliberal today
we were basically ground zero for neoliberalism under Carter in the 70s
>>79469138
>open borders
Friedman was critical of open immigration in countries with a large welfare system.
>outsourcing
Outsourcing is a good thing. If it bothers you so much, do away with minimum wage and unions, and you'll see jobs come back in a giffy.
>>79469873
>Friedman was critical of open immigration in countries with a large welfare system.
That was probably one of the only truly bad arguments he ever made. People migrate for work.
>If it bothers you so much, do away with minimum wage and unions
>unions
Isn't that kind of authoritarian though?
>>79469873
>in countries with a large welfare system
mass immigration lowers wages, especially in relation to housing it's a net negative for the economy unless you're on wall street
>Outsourcing is a good thing.
kill yourself
outsourcing lowers wages leading to inevitable economic stagnation.
You are diligently working to turn the US into a 3rd world shit hole both in terms of wages and prices.
>do away with minimum wage and unions, and you'll see jobs come back in a giffy.
Yes these low wages will certainly fix the economy. Just look how great low wages are in the 3r world.
Man I'm going to move to India now, just think how awesome living in a poor shithole is.
>>79470416
>Yes these low wages will certainly fix the economy. Just look how great low wages are in the 3r world.
That's the point. If you want the jobs to stay in America you have to make American labor competitive.
>>79469603
> I correct you
> fuck off libcuckjewniggerfemevegetariab
Nice argument.
>>79471237
This. Minimum wage laws only ensure that jobs below the minimum wage are not legally allowed to exist, hence why there's outsourcing in the first place.
>>79471237
Or you can protect you domestic market so workers can have high wages like the US did until you jewish faggots ruined everything in the 1970s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_(economics)
bravo in turning the US into a shithole btw. Every one of your policies is absolute trash that leads to low wages, low demand and a stagnant shitty banana republic tier economy where a few oligarchs run everything and the rest of the people are reduced to slave labor.
>>79471440
>correct me
on what?
They were all worthless kikebertarians
>>79471763
>muh protectionism
Trade wars are bad for everyone.
>>79471763
Friedman made it very clear that you can only have free immigration without a welfare state and minimal government spending.
In any real sense government spending has exploded since the 1950's, despite some deregulation.
>>79472112
I know most economics use government spending as a % of GDP, but this is more useful because it is per person.
>>79471879
>bad for everyone
they are only bad for the oligarchs who want to pay workers in pennies
otherwise they are good for the working class and result in high wages and high living standards
you are a retarded pawn and a willing tool of globalist billionaires
I bet you love the idea of Zuckerberg bringing in millions of cheap H1B indians because "hurr muh free market"
kys
>>79472112
>muh welfare
immigration's lowering of wages is just as destructive to an economy.
>>79465792
Neoliberal => Neoclassical Liberal => Classical Liberalism => Libertarianism
Neoliberalism = Libertarianism
Neoconservatism = Interventionism
>>79472296
per person is retarded
only % of GDP reflects the spending level relative to production.
And right now private debt is far higher than public debt. But you are too delusional to understand why private debt is far worse than public debt and why immigration is a chief cause of high private debt (hint:mass immigration increases housing prices)
>>79472555
High housing prices are a good thing moron.
>>79472514
It really isn't though since neolibs also support massive government intervention in order to save the banking system and billionaire class whenever they gamble themselves into debt
libertarians are just good goys that go along with neolib ideology because "muh free trade"
anything neo is jewish. including neo nazism.
>>79472644
Do you just argue with buzzwords and nothing else? Barely anything you've said is remotely true.
>>79472555
I think you are talking past me. I DON'T SUPPORT free immigration with a system that encourages people to take welfare and be subsidized by welfare and other government benefits.
>>79472633
no they aren't dipshit
they drain money and savings from the working class and hand it to wall street which creates even more debt and increases prices even higher making life that much more impossible for working class people to afford.
You must be a boomer because literally everything you say is bullshit.
He was a Classical Liberal. What most Anglo western countries call Libertarian at this point because it's been distorted.
In Australia, for example, the Liberals are the "fiscally conservative" party. At least they claim to be.
But "neo-Liberalism" is a different story. It's a buzzword that leftist arseholes use to smear Classical Liberals or Libertarians. It's meaningless and no Libertarian has ever called themselves a neo-Liberal. It's also telling that most people who use the term have misconceptions about what these supposed neo-Liberals actually want. They tend to believe that Classical Liberals are in favour of central banking and institutions like the IMF because money is involved, I guess.
Best to ignore anyone who uses the term neo-liberal right off the bat.
>>79472817
High housing prices under a relatively free market is necessary, may not be good, but signals more house building, and signals people to not move into a particular area, at least short term.
>>79472633
>>79472633
no they aren't, faggot.
>>79472730
you're just to stuck in your ideological fantasy world to understand my points
go back to fapping over Ayn Rand
>>79472779
You shouldn't ever support it moron
the whole welfare issue is blatant. WHy would you ever pay a foreign shitskin population to replace you? But even without welfare mass immigration is very bad in terms of wages and prices.
>>79469138
>open borders
>posts a picture of rothbard
top kek
>>79472817
You know how fucking easy the free market has made it to get a home loan? It's not my fault that you have a shitty credit score. Stop antagonizing the wealthy.
>>79473317
the fact that anyone can get a loan in no way invalidates what he said, moron.
>>79467236
>polish intellectuals
>>79465792
Neo-Liberalism is their new term for globalism and "free trade" and a way to tie conservative fiscal and economic policy to the 2007-2008 financial crisis and cronyism.
Milton Friedman was a Free Market economist. He didnt give a fuck globalism and "free trade" deals which are really just political tools to secure hegemony.
This is just the language game Leftist like to play. Just like they hijacked the words Liberal, Libertarian, justice, socialism, democracy, cultural marxism, etc to mean whatever they want it to mean when it suits them, Neo-Liberalism which was a largely successful ideology that advocated Laissez-faire economics and is associated with people like Margaret Thatcher, Reagan, Clinton, Friedman, Greenspan etc, is now synonymous with cronyism, war, regulatory capture, and anything bad.
>>79472661
Neoliberalism are usually associated with the WASP establishment in America. The jews didn't seem to have much to do with this one.
>>79473039
Free immigration without welfare means indigents and lazy thieves find no way to get money. If they become criminals, they will be deported.
Why are you acting like such an asshole?
>>79466718
Fuck out of here with your retarded bullshit.
>>79473429
They will do anything to cover up their true intentions - their war on private property and general freedom.
>>79473561
I believe that their main point was that wages will still go down due to the increased number of laborers. They probably wouldn't mind importing criminals if it meant that their precious shitty minimum wage jobs were secure.
>>79467932
neoliberalism is just the name for the economic component of modern globalist capitalism.
>>79468063
the word liberal has been confused for a long time, even in 1900 it was confused between those who only recognized negative liberties and those who believed in government services and social engineering. see Paul Gottfried's "After Liberalism: Mass Democracy in the Managerial State" you can find the PDF online
>>79472960
>They tend to believe that Classical Liberals are in favour of central banking and institutions like the IMF because money is involved
Greenspan was literally an objectivist in his youth and then went on to run the FED
All the neolibs believe in teh same outsourcing and mass immigration doctrines that libertarians believe.
The neolibs just go one step further than the libertarians, they think that the government should directly hand billions of dollars to wall street as the FED did after the 2008 sub prime crisis.
>>79473003
you have no idea what you're talking about
the current boom is caused by cheap credit and mass immigration based on speculative gambling.
>>79473193
Rothbard was against literally all government until fairly late in his life when he went all 1488
His retarded followers still use his writings to justify mass immigraiton
>>79473317
>easy the free market has made it to get a home loan
that's not a good thing for a litany of reasons the chief being that you are leeching money from the productive industry to pay a few bankers whose only "contribution" to society is making life more expensive for working americans.
>>79473561
they still lower wages
>>79473514
>Robert Rubin
>Alan Greenspan
>Larry Summers
>wasps
I have news for you
>>79465990
>>79466084
The more accurate term used in the USA would be "Classical Liberal" akin to what is often used to describe the Founding Fathers.
Nowadays, that term is more related to "Libertarian"
>>79473696
See here's the thing: Neoliberalism sounds fucking awful. I don't see how attacking it damages private property rights or even general freedom. In fact it might actually help those things. I'm just wondering why leftists suddenly care about it.
>>79473429
>Neo-Liberalism which was a largely successful ideology that advocated Laissez-faire economics and is associated with people like Margaret Thatcher, Reagan, Clinton, Friedman, Greenspan etc, is now synonymous with cronyism, war, regulatory capture, and anything bad.
Neoliberalism has been a huge failure and delivered exactly the opposite of what it promised
It promised increased production and higher wages, instead we have lower wages and a stagnant economy all thanks to free market retards that think outsourcing and mass immigration is a ok.
The hilarious thing is that idiot libertarians defend it to the death even when it does nothing but spread the same globalism and leftism that is destroying the west.
There's a reason that Goldman Sachs loves globalism and neoliberalism.
He's literally the reason my country isn't a south american shit-hole
Praise be unto him
>>79473941
Neoliberalism is destroying the west regardless of what autistic libertarians think.
>>79466464
Really this. For the liberals in the usa, and really anywhere else, it is all about language manipulation. Change the words around, frame the debate, etc. It's a dirty trick they really know how to use very effectively.
Hell, one example would be "gay." Used to mean "Happy" but the homos and liberals co-opted the word to mean homosexual, as it was previous meant to be "happy." As such, gay = happy = a good thing.
>>79465792
Disgusting. I hope there is a hell just to know this neoliberal murderer burns eternally. Cancer on his relatives too.
>>79470407
It's authoritarian to have set what the minimum wage should be in the first place.
>>79473758
Cheap credit is the fault of printing too much money. "Low" wages nominally mean nothing. It is why developing countries have PPP GDP per capita inflators - it matters what you CAN BUY, more than what you make.
>>79474255
Only if you think oligarchs running the economy and paying the peasants in pennies is "freedom"
>>79467236
Liberalism was the founding ideology of America. That's why it's conservative here.
>>79474349
Which is what happens in socialism almost all the time.
>>79474332
>Cheap credit is the fault of printing too much money
Banks create cheap credit out of nothing
>"Low" wages nominally mean nothing
And "real" low wages mean something
> it matters what you CAN BUY, more than what you make.
That is what matters, it's why you can by almost nothing on the average salary in the 3rd world shitholes that you celebrate so much.
>>79465792
Liberals are the most anti liberal in the context of economics. The only true ideology is libertarianism and marxism, the rest of them are a retarded mishmash of different beliefs that contradict themselves left and right.
>>79474439
It's a fact of history. The "New Dealers" where really social democrats and democratic socialists, so they stole the word "liberal" to make it fit for mass consumption.
>>79474497
You have no idea what PPP means. Banks can create money out of nothing because the FED is the lender of last resort.
You have very little knowledge of economics.
>>79474349
Reminds me of just about every socialist nations. Except instead of business owners making unholy love to some government official, it is the leader of the party who just reaps the reward of everyone's hard work.
>>79474554
This doesn't surprise me. Fuck FDR royally messed up the country good.
So where do the Whigs fall into place here?
>Understood a formidable military was needed to deter invaders
>Anti-war, but more than willing to protect its trading routes
>free market leaning, but understood the importance of domestic production
>Strict-immigration laws
>Secular in nature but gave a tip of the hat to Christian churches.
>>79474443
No it's typically oligarchy
socialism works too poorly to be very common.
>>79474690
>You have no idea what PPP means
I know exactly what it is
>Banks can create money out of nothing because the FED
No, banking naturally creates money out of nothing.
>You have very little knowledge of economics.
You're probably a laughably delusional goldbug
>>79474695
>muh socialism
again outside maybe Cuba or Venezuela or the long dead USSR most countries are just shitty oligarchies that you seem to think are "so great" because a few billionaires run everything.
>>79474695
Neoliberalism sounds like a capitalist version of state communism. Basically the state works to benefit big business and just assumes that everything will work out for their people who they oppress mercilessly. Seems pretty shitty to me.
>>79474843
Classical conservatives, like Otto Von Bismarck.
The concept of "universal healthcare" is perversed by social democrats and comes from Bismarck.
They frankly thought the workers needed discipline and institute mandatory benefits, like you see in Belgium. The perversion is that socialists make it out to be "free" when it actually comes of of median incomes.
There is NO REDISTRIBUTION going on.
>>79475068
Of course it's shit
it's not designed to help anyone it's designed to enrich a few billionaires on wallstreet and fuck over the entire rest of the economy
the said part is that libertarians still defend neoliberalism when they know it leads to bailouts, mass immigration etc because they worship the outsourcing parts of the ideology so much.
>>79473758
>All the neolibs believe in teh same outsourcing and mass immigration doctrines that libertarians believe.
>The neolibs just go one step further than the libertarians, they think that the government should directly hand billions of dollars to wall street as the FED did after the 2008 sub prime crisis.
It's not "one step further." If you believe that, you don't understand Libertarianism at all. Government intervention in the free market (whether it's regulation or handouts) is the exact opposite of what Libertarians advocate. Both are equally harmful. Any Libertarian economist will tell you that. It's not going a step further, it's going backwards. Libertarians rail against crony capitalism more often than any leftist anti-capitalist. Because leftists think that government stimulation and lobbies actually are capitalism. To them it's the free market's fault. It's corporation that's corrupting government. They don't understand that their interest in democracy is as much a cause. They also don't understand that government directly handing billions to wall street (large corporations specifically) is what keeps those large corporations in power and stops smaller business from entering the market. It's the exact same effect as regulation that favours existing large corporations by placing high barriers to entry.
Greenspan was a conservative Keynesian. There is no question about it. You can talk about how much he loves Ayn Rand, but his actions and speech tell the true story.
>Rothbard was against literally all government until fairly late in his life when he went all 1488
He didn't go 1488, he just recognised that the free movement of people that Libertarianism ostensibly believes in is not the same as open borders policies coming from government. Whether government halts all immigration or opens all borders, either way they are doing so with force. The biggest problem is they don't respect property. Rothbard knew it. Hoppe knows it, Rockwell knows it.
>>79473983
You are a fucking retard. You fucking cock sucking faggot bitch. I can smell the stupid through my laptop.
By what standard do you want me to blow you the fuck out? Huh? You faggot bitch. Life expectancy? GDP? Medicine? Hunger? Crime? Wages? Technology?
You literally just did the exact thing I criticized you faggot leftists for by confusing language to suit your failed non-arguments by purposely and disingenuously confusing classical liberalism with your statist cronyism.
Read that post again you simple bitch. Maybe slower this time. Cocksucker. I hope you get raped to death. Die slowly faggot.
>>79475041
I'm not a "goldbug." I'm an 80/20 guy. Government spending should not be larger than 20% of GDP and torts should take precedent over regulation, and the only tax should be on land.
>>79475041
Agreed, though it also sounds a lot like a repackaged version of fascism.
>>79475041
And where do you think I'm okay with corrupt oligarchies? Doesn't matter if it's giant business and giant government making degenerate love with each other, or "the party" being the ruling elite that takes from everyone else and rewards itself, both are bad.
>>79473758
>Rothbard was against literally all government until fairly late in his life when he went all 1488
Ancaps who are against immigration, it's worth noting, are not for more government. They just recognise that while we have government, it's not their place to impose immigration on citizens. Public property is property held by the citizens. Mass immigration is an affront to that. Once government is removed, individuals can decide movement based on property. You can do with your property what you want and vice versa. If my community doesn't want immigrants trespassing, then so be it. If some degenerate individual or community is in favour, so be it. Their funeral.
>>79475068
What you're describing is crony capitalism. The theory of neoliberalism involved reduced government spending.
>>79475236
You are a nutter.
>>79475236
The problem with many libertarian is that they fail to see the current economic order like a house.
You have to rightfully dismantle it carefully, or the current owners will blame you for everything. The government admins and workers are self interested as well, even worse, because they have the gift of taxation.
>>79474046
Chile is the only country that isnt a South American shit hole.
Get the fuck out of here you fucking communist. You'd be a loser under a socialist government too. Socialism doesnt fix ugly and stupid. I know how much you hate the good looking successful men you're angry at and want to destroy because muh beta dick, but girls arent going to suddenly want to fuck you because of socialism. They're just going to want to fuck the good looking men with political power, and you're still an ugly loser.
Get a job and hit the gym faggot.
>>79475041
>again outside maybe Cuba or Venezuela or the long dead USSR most countries are just shitty oligarchies that you seem to think are "so great" because a few billionaires run everything.
They don't, though. Even in nations like the US where corporations have the government's ear, you can't claim that they "run everything." Not even close to how the socialist states run everything. Shit, even Fascist countries aren't that bad compared to socialist ones.
>>79475740
I may have missed something, but I think he was praising Friedman, not condemning him.
>>79475663
Friedman mentioned the leftist word games - every economic system is "capitalist," the difference is how that capital is organized.
He supported "competitive capitalism" under a system of voluntary cooperation and property rights.
>>79474205
Your country is a shit hole because of things he fought against you fucking retard. Of all fucking people to be complaining about Milton Friedman, a fucking Greek "gib me dats" faggot who just got screwed by socialism. No wonder your country is shit hole. Its filled with retards like you.
>>79475740
OP AGREES with you!
>>79475271
>the government is the problem
>just ignore the wall street lobbying the government that's irrelevant
>Greenspan was a conservative Keynesian
No Greenspan is a neoclassical economist
>>79475306
>autistic libertarian gets mad when I point out his autism
>>79475416
Government spending spurs the economy and production
there is nothing wrong with running a deficit.
>>79475499
>And where do you think I'm okay with corrupt oligarchies?
It's the libertarian fantasy
>>79475663
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8cErokGFs
>>79475549
when you abolish the government you have no ability to enforce anything collectively
>>79475669
yes let's dismantle the modern 1st world what a great idea
>>79475757
they have sole power of lobbying/bribing the government and thus run everything
>>79475740
Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you...
>>79475982
kek you have no idea what you're talking about
Greece was destroyed by the international finance system and the EU
Although it's fitting that a libertarian wants a European country to die in order to serve the same banks that are flooding that US with Mexicans.
>>79475991
What THE HELL DO YOU DO when government spending has reached 65% of GDP in some countries, like Sweden, and CUTS IN SPENDING actually resulted in economic growth?
Keynesian high government spending and deficit spending has gotten out of control.
Where the hell is the EU going to go with government spending at 50% of GDP and unprecedented government debt?
>>79476144
You should seek help.
>>79476144
Greece was destroyed by laziness, high government spending, regulations, corruption, AND the EU. It is simply an insult to people to claim Greece was doing fine.
>>79474046
>>79475740
I mis read. Sorry for calling you a faggot. Here, have a picture.>>79475859
>>79475982
>>79476001
>>79475991
No, the libertarian fantasy would be that government would stop bailing and giving favors every large corporation, along with increase barriers of entry with massive regulations that only serve to harm small and medium sized businesses.
Seeing how ill you're classifying what classical liberals/libertarians want in regards to government and the economy by substituting it with your own definition so you can control the debate, there really is no point in debating as you'll just keep changing definitions to suit your purpose
>>79476243
Sweden's real economy is getting far worse
not only is private debt skyrocketing, but wages are stagnant
http://www.reuters.com/article/sweden-economy-idUSL6N0SU28K20141109
But you don't care because you think "increasing housing prices" is good for the economy in some way.
>>79476261
>>79476365
stay delusional
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greek-debt-crisis-goldman-sachs-could-be-sued-for-helping-country-hide-debts-when-it-joined-euro-10381926.html
Greece was strung along like a loanshark victim
>>79475991
>when you abolish the government you have no ability to enforce anything collectively
Who said anything about collectives? I'm talking individual enforcement. I don't want immigrants on my property, I don't want to serve immigrants in my store, I don't want to offer them jobs, therefore there's no reason for them to be there. Maybe my neighbour does, that's his choice. Because there's no public assistance or taxes, it has pretty much no effect on me.
>No Greenspan is a neoclassical economist
I never said these corporations weren't a problem, I said they were a red herring. They take advantage of the government. If there was none, they wouldn't have the power that they do. And they would exist entirely on their merits. Can't provide a good service or good, too bad. They don't deserve to survive or waste our resources.
>they have sole power of lobbying/bribing the government and thus run everything
I can think of any number of degenerate policies that aren't in corporate interests directly. Such as gay marriage and abortion. When large corporations are in favour of such degenerate policies it's simply to appease customers. But there's no economic upside to them, so the lobbyists must be outside of this oligarchy. Yes, corporations are considered persons ostensibly, but they are merely one of many interests lobbying government. Not the sole interest.
>>79476546
without a government to ensure laws you get corrupt rulers running everything with no representation by the people besides maybe open rebellion.
welcome to the world before democracy.
>>79476594
>I'm talking individual enforcement.
good luck with that
>>79476144
Greece was destroyed because greek faggots are lazy niggers. They wanted to live beyond their means and have Germans pay for it, just like all the bern fags and socialist losers. It doesnt work you fucking cocksuckers. Pay for your own shit.
>>79476571
Increases/decreases in prices send signals about the economy. Given that Sweden has arguably the fattest welfare state in the world - I would halt immigration today.
You can't frame Greece that way. IF Greece didn't join the EURO, they could have another tool to compensate for their corruption in tax collection, regulation, and government spending.
>>79476571
>stay delusional
You're a dope. Stop obsessing over this stuff and try to enjoy life.
>>79476712
Why do you assume that we don't believe in law and order or that these people could find a group of people large enough to take property from me against my will and the backing of people I know?
I believe in law. Polycentric law. I also don't believe it's possible, seeing as I still live in a community, for a small group of people to take my land and undermine private property while a whole community around me relies on such distinctions to own their own property.
The NAP doesn't mean no violence. It doesn't mean roll over. It means you can't INITIATE violence. But if someone steals from me or invades my home, I can shoot the person with no repercussions. It's pretty basic.
milton friedman is a liberal, he wants to legalize all drugs. You know why? Because he's Mobbed Up and Jewed Up. When you're mobbed up and jewed up you are up pretty far and when you are up pretty far you are high.
>srsly the guy worked for Capone at Gold Seal liquor and then worked with the mob to lobby for relaxed drug policy so that the daegos and hacidic jews coppin e could slam a bunch of dumb baby boomers and ghetto dwellers with heroin.
>No joke here is a young Milton Friedman and Lucky Luciano discussing policy
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lmao that spurdo in the attic
