This EU lawyer from the Uni of Liverpool just BTFO the entire Brexit movement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dosmKwrAbI
What do you have to say for yourselves??
They just call him a cuck/muslim/jew fag and go back to their anime porn and trump worship. Facts and the right wing don't mix.
tl;dw give me the rundown senpaitachi
>>79456355
>20 minutes long
>Audio is fucked
Yeah, nah m8.
>>79456355
Why would you trust anything a Uni of Liverpool professor has to say about Brexit? Everyone knows the whole UK university establishment is overrun by Marxists. The reason they work in academia is because they don't care for the free market. They're just like the bureaucrats in the EU commission. They want bigger government because bigger government means more state control.
>>79457546
>They just call him a cuck/muslim/jew fag and go back to their anime porn and trump worship. Facts and the right wing don't mix.
>projection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUhuv_QFYCA
Calling us racist doesn't work any more.
>>79457546
You should be busily picking your teeth up out of the gutter, you fucking globalist loser. We shitstomped you liars so hard your best response is to BAAAAAAWWW and bring in some cunt to lecture us on why we want the UK to be free?
You lost. Just get over it. You should be used to losing by now.
>>79458264
Get triggered faggot
>>79456355
I hope you get use to losing we are going to tear the entire fucking house down.
>Professor of European Law and Jean Monnet Chair in EU Law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gmZ4RJp5GQ
Wait are we the ones that got BTFO??
>>79457617
He goes through every claim made by the Leave campaign, and shows how they were untrue.
Here's a brief overview:
> 'Unelected EU Commission control EU legislation' : This is is untrue, the EU Council - made up of the elected member state governments - control the legislation
> '60% of our law comes from the EU' - manufactured figure
> 'European army' - All EU defensive decisions require unanimity between member states. Also, they must comply with domestic law and be constitutionally acceptable to all member states
> 'Turkey gonna join' - requires unanimity, thus we have a veto (plus nobody in EU wants turkey anyway)
> 'TTIP will destroy NHS' - Again, unanimity required.
> 'Leaving EU = less immigration' - promised by the Leave campaign, now being abaondoned
etc. etc.
>EU lawyer
>sides with EU
Positively shocking.
>>79456355
It's done. I don't want Britain to be united with countries run by the likes of Merkel. I'd rather be united with real allies like the US NZ and Aus. But fuck Canada because they're getting cucked now.
>>79456355
>Liverpool
m8 pls..
>>79458106
He made a 20 minute video, of solid, reasonable, objective arguments. Your only rebuttal is to call him a Marxist and ignore him. Did you even watch the video? Why are you embarrassing yourself? Contribute a worthwhile argument, or go away.
>>79457546
agree 100%.
i only bought into the right wing ideology as a 16 year old.
soon as you go out and experience the world and get en education, you find yourself drifting left.
im moderate left now. far left is still too crazy and retarded for me desu.
>>79458498
Don't give a fuck mate shoes on the other foot now you should have debated facts when you were winning instead of waiting until you started losing.
>>79458467
>>79458623
Why don't you actually engage with any of the points he raises, instead of throwing ad homina attacks like little children?
Yes, he's an EU lawyer, and he obviously has an interest in remaining in the EU. That doesn't change the fact that he's raised legitimate points, that you're all ignoring.
>>79458675
this is why i cant take /pol/ seriously anymore. i swear its nothing but edgy, shut in loser anime watching kids pretending to do politics.
>>79458759
> Hurrrr you lost! Your 'facts' are meaningless now durrrr
These points were being made since before the referendum was even called. It's just that the Leave campaign managed to scream louder, and to appeal to baser instincts like patriotism and 'muh independence!'
Either address any of his points, or fuck off. This thread has almost 20 replies, and nobody's even attempted to engage with ANY of this man's arguments. /pol/ is a fucking joke, it's just memes and morons. I thought I might find some intelligent discussion here, but alas not.
>>79459119
>These points were being made since before the referendum was even called. It's just that the Leave campaign managed to scream louder, and to appeal to baser instincts like patriotism and 'muh independence!'
lel, fucking this. it appeals to archaic lizard brain.
>m-muh tribe
>>79456355
His points are:
1. eu legislation that gets adopted is in fact done by people who are elected and not by some un-elected eurocrat commission.
2. The EU does not in fact make up 60% of UK laws.
3. Claims that there is no plan to create an EU army which would ultimately absorb the UK armed forces and that even if there was it would have to get green-lit via a referendum.
4. Claims that England was perfectly capable of stopping Turkish accession into the EU because accession requires unanimous agreement among all EU states.
5. Claims that TTIP is not a threat because it would take a long time to negotiate and because it also requires unanimous agreement between all Eu member states.
6. Claims the 350 million a week to the EU was a lie.
7. Waffles about reduction in immigration and how apparently not delivering on a reduction in immigrants within days of the referendum result is dishonest.
8. Claims that UK nationals are not in fact protected by Vienna convention on the law of treaties because that convention addresses states not individuals/businesses.
9. Plays up Cameron's deal with the EU and emphasizes that the deal Cameron reached was in fact legally-binding and therefore significant.
10. Complains about people who supported the remain campaign being slandered/undermined in the typical fashion that you see in any political campaign. e.g. they are paid by the EU to be pro-EU etc.
I missed one point I think, but this is the gist of that video.
>>79458498
1) technically the EU council is democratically elected but bear in mind this is by all European countries. This means we only get a small say in how the EU is run. Furthermore, most people don't know who their MEP is. The point of Brexit is to bring autonomy back to Britain and to make our elected officials more accountable to the British people. The more layers of government you strip away, the easier this is.
2) Not sure about this one
3) The fact that the EU is even considering this as a proposal clearly demonstrates that it is out of control. They shouldn't be making these kinds of proposals in the first place.
4) David Cameron has said that he wanted Turkey to join the EU. The problem is that more and more of these proposals keep being pushed on us unwillingly. Its a slippery slope. Their tactic is to overwhelm us by making bigger and bigger demands. Until one day the EU represents a superstate
etc etc etc.
>>79458498
>All EU defensive decisions require unanimity between member states.
How is this a good thing?
>It's not 60%, but I won't tell you what the actual percentage is
>Oh no TTIP will privatize our socialist bullshit
>talks about how Brexit was dishonost and distorting facts
>doesn't link a single fucking source
The main problem with this video is that it does not pose an alternative. It does not try to argue for remain.
>>79458850
well its pretty useless considering its pointless not. We are getting out. Praise be to God. Salt.
>>79459619
My response.
1. People who are elected and whose interests lie not with their country but with the EU bureaucracy. The day the EU project became anything more than a purely economics agreement it grew to something I want nothing to do with.
2. Doesn't matter what the exact number is. The end-goal of the EU is demolition of individual identity as nations and promotion of EU identity. This will inevitably lead 60% or more of laws being EU laws in every member state down the road. The sentiment of this argument is spot on even if the number isn't correct.
3. One: bullshit, there are such plans. Two: you can see by how close the referendum was and by how skewed the results were (young = pro-eu) that this is exactly what will happen if things are left as is and the younger generations as they are now take over.
4. This is true, I don't think Turkey was ever going to get in, but at the same time I don't feel like I can trust the UK politicians as a part of the EU to have the backbone to resist arm-twisting.
5. Under-values the threat that TTIP represents imo because he seems to think the legal system in place is trustworthy, but fair point over-all.
6. I have nothing to say about this. I never paid any attention to this claim.
7. Inane point about the leave-campaign not delivering. The process will take at least 2 years sherlock if not 10. Obviously there are no results right now.
8. Not a point I care about. If those nationals are worried then they can haul ass back to the UK and apply for visas or whatever to the countries they want to live in.
9. Ok. Cameron's deal did not factor into my decision-making on whether to vote leave.
10. Would be nice if political campaigns were civil affairs. I'm all for it and fully expect the pro-remain faggots to go ahead and stop equating voting leave with racism.
My response took some time. I do good?
>>79458498
>>79456355
> 'Unelected EU Commission control EU legislation' : This is is untrue, the EU Council - made up of the elected member state governments - control the legislation
False. The EU Commission is the only one with the power to set up laws, policies, and give direction to the EU, with the Council being left with the responsibility of saying "x is a problem, guys" like the worse parts of the UN made into its own institution. No, seriously, even the EU admits as much:
> It is not one of the EU's legislating institutions, so does not negotiate or adopt EU laws. Instead it sets the EU's policy agenda, traditionally by adopting 'conclusions' during European Council meetings which identify issues of concern and actions to take.
Also indicative: it wasn't the council who negotiated with Cameron over his Remain plan, it was the commission. A commission, mind you, who said they weren't going to approve of the plan until the vote to stay had passed. Which, on its own, wouldn't be an issue, if they weren't also keeping future plans for further integration also behind the vote curtain, making the promises made by the unelected commission have little weight.
So, you and him are a faggot.
> '60% of our law comes from the EU' - manufactured figure
https://fullfact.org/europe/two-thirds-uk-law-made-eu/
Calling EU regulations not laws like https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/how-much-uk-national-law-is-based-on-eu-law/ sneakily tries to do just shows how unmanufactured it is.
> 'European army' - All EU defensive decisions require unanimity between member states. Also, they must comply with domestic law and be constitutionally acceptable to all member states
Based on what? Junkers has been very clear that he wants to move beyond what you are describing, which is the European Defence Union, with the power of the Army being granted to the commission. Hell, they have already started introducing EU only defence spending on the newer budget of the damn thing.
>>79458850
Yeah because we take our health advice on smoking from tobacco company's now do we?
>>79462690
I had to steal one of your points for the comment. Thanks friend. Learnt a bit from that.
>>79456355
15:26- "strong argument" that result of referendum should be respected the rest is Guardian tier waffle on 'dishonesty' of leave campaign. cry more.
>>79462690
>>79458498
>>79456355
Source for the last bit:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/682541/REVEALED-EU-to-rubber-stamp-its-HUGE-1trillion-budget-NEXT-week-after-referendum-delay
> 'Turkey gonna join' - requires unanimity, thus we have a veto (plus nobody in EU wants turkey anyway)
True at first, lie at the second. Cameron himself was pushing to rush the entrance of Turkey, and countries such as France, Greece, SPAIN, and others have supported the bid, while official support in Germany, Netherlands, and the rest exists but is being blocked by their nationalist groups which use the very turks as a way to gain votes. For further test of how this unanimity means shit, look at the way Greece was admitted thanks to help by the EU to hide away it's serious fiscal, economic, and political issues.
> 'TTIP will destroy NHS' - Again, unanimity required.
Not necessarily. Considering the political maneuvering that occurred to make the Treaty of Lisbon not have to go through national referrendums as it should have (for it was essentially the EU constitution with a new dress), the EU can declare it an EU-only majority and it just requires a majority of the Parliament and approval by the commission.
I do not know enough to say if it will destroy the NHS, but that's mostly because apparently everything will destroy the NHS and I can't be bothered to see if they hod any weight.
> 'Leaving EU = less immigration' - promised by the Leave campaign, now being abaondoned
I have yet to find a single source which this claim is substantiated. The closes is May saying the UK might stay in the European rights convention, but that's essentially it. No one claim no migrants would come in, they did promise the ones who would be allowed would be more heavily vetted and likely use a point system to filter them.
>>79463558
Not a problem.
>>79464513
>Not a problem
Stefan?
>>79464787
Out of all the possible names, why the fuck you choose Stefan?
>>79463058
ga eens slapen neger
>>79458675
I watched the retarded video of him that all the good goys were sharing on Facebook before the referendum. It was as close as you can get to lying without directly lying.
>Britain has a seat on the council so we have a fair say
>Malta and Luxembourg have the same level of influence as us then? Don't think about that one, silly goys! :^)
>>79465095
>Not an argument
>Not a problem
S-sorry Captain Morgan
>>79466555
>doubles+trips wasted on a Molyneux joke
Check, but I'm still anry.
>>79459268
>muh union
>m-muh even bigger tribe
>>79461743
>>79459619
thanks for the summary and rebuttals, good reads
>>79461743
>>79459619
I am curious what makes him or you think it's legally binding if it wasn't voted on by either the commission, nor the parliament. The Parliament said it supported it, sure, but at no point did they do anything to make it binding other than say it was.
