In a libertarian society, who pays for the roads?
>>79424082
the free market
>>79424082
Nobody.
Taxpayers do. Stop confusing libertarianism with anarchy.
>>79424082
Every single road becomes a toll road
>>79424082
Nobody.
A private company builds the roads and they put tolls on the roads to fund the company.
>>79424297
>1 post by this ID
>thinks libertarians are anarchists
Lurk moar or stop shitposting.
God smiles upon true libertarian societies, using His boundless knowledge of civil engineering to grant them immaculate road and transit systems.
>>79424455
traffic comes to a standstill as every road suddenly becomes a toll road. A trip from Topeka Kansas to kansas city which takes 40 minutes now becomes a 5 hour trip as you constantly have to stop and pay as a new company owns every individual mile.
> Libertarian dream
>>79424082
Why do we need roads? Just walk everywhere.
In a libertarian society, who do you expropriate?
>>79424455
So I guess a lot of rural Americans just don't get roads then, huh?
Not an argument
also charity, but it's not like /pol/tards would know what you are talking about
>>79424641
Then the company goes out of business and a new road gets built. You're paying thousands of dollars anyway to the state for your precious roads anyway and you still get tolled half the time.
>>79424685
Whoever has less firepower than you.
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/u3grNDX.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>79424082
OMG YOU VOTED TO NO LONGER HAVE SLAVES!? HOW WILL I EVER GET MY CROPS HARVESTED??!! THE FREE MARKET CANNOT FIX THIS!
>>79424641
Basically this. The concept is retarded and really punishes people with long daily commutes.
>>79424641
Speedpass you tard, you have a stocker or rfid on the front of your vehicle and cruise past tolls.
Fucking hell you're trying way too hard.
>>79424082
Tolls
>>79424082
Private individuals, organizations, and corporations.
Or nobody, if nobody steps in. The roads could be left neglected, who cares.
And the solution to avoiding the toll roads is to use the other roads that won't be toll, or to just refuse to pay the toll. What do they do about it? Appeal to the government? Government doesn't care. And if they start shooting, well, you shoot back.
Suffices to say there would be a lot more sturdy, off road vehicles built in a libertarian state.
>it's a libertarian means anarchy thread
>>79424436
>what are taxes?
Every single road is already a toll road
>>79424082
>Implying libertarian = Ancap
>Baiting this hard
>>79424392
This.
>>79424735
Because there is no such things as commercial farms that produce a lot of money and trucks never carry produce?
>>79424082
What are you? A n00b? It will fix itself.
>>79424082
according to the libertarian party they don't need roads, in the future theyll have a jetpack.
>>79424735
RuralRoads Inc. Presented by Pepsi
The free market goblins will come out of the woodworks and repair the road at no cost to anyone.
Don't you know ANYTHING?
>>79424871
If libertarian ideals are so great, why is somalia the only one that implements them?
Will we privatize the police as well?
>>79424082
> People want road
> Contract company to build road
> Road gets built
> People pay company to maintain road
>>79424082
>posts a picture of a shit road which the government hasnt had fixed in years as an argument for the necessity of tax funded government roads
What you all are failing to realize is that a road is a huge moneymaker.
Whoever owns the road will pay to maintain it with the tolls collected by those who use it.
White people, we pay for everything else.
>>79424082
>In a libertarian society, who pays for the roads?
White people, we pay for everything else.
>>79424082
>1 post by this ID
>>79424082
A gas tax would probably be the most libertarian.
>>79425493
Somalia is ran by niggers. Niggers have never had any enlightenment period, nor created industry, nor any real tangable workable governing body.
Don't compare niggers to whites.
>>79424641
And then everyone lives in cities and we have less pollution
>>79425314
Yeah, in a sense they will, individuals who live in areas who want to keep the value of their property up will keep the roads repaired.
An ideal government's only role should be mail sending and corpse disposal.
>>79425314
Did you get permission from your government to post that? Or are they posting on your behalf?
Is the purpose of this thread to slide other, more important discussions off the catalog?
>>79424082
The people who own the roads? In a libertarian society, the govt wouldnt own the roads.
>>79424082
You do.
In a libertarian society I can have an unregulated, untaxed and tagged hover Jeep that I build in my garage, you fuckin normie
>>79424641
Ever use an EZPass on the interstate system? Imagine a better version, perhaps a device in the car that bills the person later.
>>79425697
Yes, everyone will live in cities and those who live in agricultural establishments will somehow be able to transport their crops to the cities for the city dwellers. How do we transport it? How does the city make food?
>>79424843
Slavery was holding the South back. It is inherently inefficient and has always been a shitty basis for economy.
>>79425493
I think you need to look into the dynamics of Somalia. Libertarian ideals didn't make the cut on their list of problems.
>>79425102
Libertarianism is just 'Anarchy' for wealthy people. You'll grow up out of your kosher ideology someday, hopefully.
>>79424641
In Los Angeles, tax dollars were used to build "express lanes" in which drivers can pay a monthly fee to receive a transponder, which will read at checkpoints. A picture if the vehicle and license plate is taken of cars that dont have a transponder and a ticket is mailed to the person whom that car is registered under.
Yes, people are paying money to drive in special lanes which their tax dollars built. God bless the government.
>>79425937
Yes I have a Ktag I use every day. Why not just have the state government do it, why do libertarians think that somehow having private industry makes things run more efficiently? Great Example Kan Care. Hey we will have private industry do it! It is a disaster.
http://www.hdnews.net/news/local/brownback-frustrated-by-medicaid-backlog-amid-dispute-over-responsibility/article_0ff21370-a50f-57b2-bc8f-7e15f2de5480.html
>>79424436
>Roadside ads
>pay premium to automatically lower them when you get close
>>79424392
w....who are the taxpayers?
>>79424641
Apply yourself, anon. If you can't problem solve simple shit like that, you aren't ready to be free.
>>79424082
This shit again?
You must have voted remain, because you're an idiot.
>>79424392
>taxation is theft
>the taxpayers will pay for roads
>>79424436
>implying there's a road you can use that doesn't have a toll
>>79424436
Or corporations located in those roads could chip in a yearly amount of their profit to the road owner's road, in order to maintain it.
>>79424082
Tolls everywhere
But hey, no tax from the state!
>>79424859
>The concept is retarded and really punishes people with long daily commutes.
You don't get it, this is the beauty of the market. Long daily commutes are wasteful, so a properly regulated market discourages them, leading to decreased pollution, traffic, etc.
>>79424082
Tollbooths every mile and at every driveway.
>>79424082
In a libertarian society everyone has Jeeps and dirtbikes. Goods are delivered by deuce and halfs with 40 inch mud boggers.
>>79424082
To be fair, the roads look like that in large swaths of American cities. Surprisingly good quality throughout the countryside, though.
>>79426556
And who is going to force them to do that?
>>79426400
I am free, I have a state and federal government. I dont need untested ideas to be tried because of some asinine reimagined constitutional interpretation. The Federal and State model is fine, we are working, why do we have to fuck it up? What do you need you aren't having right now?
>>79424082
no roads if you want em gotta pay a troll toll
>>79424138
/thread
I dont think you understand how it works.
>gee i would like to build a bar here.
>i need a way for people to get to my bar
>i think ill build an (select choice below)
a) Pipeline
b) airport
c) road
d) leave the forest in tact.
>>79424082
You do realize there are privately owned "roads" in America right? They charge tolls.
>>79426789
his ration of good boy points is too low
REVOLUTION NOW
>>79426157
this is called "market participant" and the government can do this under the commerce clause. This is fine, the government is not inherently your enemy, you elected them,
>>79424082
the customers, dumbfuck
>>79427040
so instead of addressing the issue or questions raised you bring up some bullshit point? Great work there,
>>79425493
>implying the police arent already privatized companies.
>>79424082
Who the fuck needs roads.
>>79426768
This is something I've never understood
That's something you'd expect in africa, how does it happen in the US?
>>79427063
When do we get to vote on the full extent of the commerce clause?
>>79424138
Yup
People want roads
Private company makes road
People use said road and pay toals
I'll pay for all the roads. I don't give a fuck.
>>79424082
the state.
>>79424641
>he still lives in a state where there's booths staffed by meatbags
lol, isn't it interesting how the states with the poorest infrastructure have the wealthiest liberals? and how they think their way should be imposed on the rest of us? it really makes you think.
>>79427276
you didn't, its called judicial review, we have these things called checks and balances and if we dont like something we can get our legislators to make some changes.
>>79427179
This is bullshit, and stop doing this "You need to open your eyes man". They are not private companies.
But where do entrepreneurs get the money to start businesses and make roads in a Free-market society?
Considering the Free Market is essentially economic darwinism, you wouldn't see anything that isn't objectively practical and necessary for the monopolies that would be in-power in this sort of society. Lower class people would be used as work cattle to an even greater extent than they are now.
Libertarianism is just a corporate form of Monarchy.
>>79427281
>People use said road and pay toals
Who's gonna enforce the tolls?
>>79427336
>sn't it interesting how the states with the poorest infrastructure have the wealthiest liberals? and how they think their way should be imposed on the rest of us? it really makes you think.
Kansas has the Koch Brothers you fucking idiot, they love your libertarian nonsense so explain that one. Kansas is backwards republican as shit and we embraced all that liberatrian tea party shit and only got us in a deficit. So explain that one genius.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/gop-must-answer-for-what-it-did-to-kansas.html
http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article81784347.html
>>79427233
Its usually like that in northern states. Constant expansion and contraction of the road surface due to temperature changes causes it to crack and split. Add a few tons of vibration when a vehicle passes and it gets worse over the years. We really don't see this stuff in places like Florida because its always hellishly hot.
Pic unrelated
>>79427186
Probably the people who don't feel like buying a 60 thousand dollar truck they don't need and another few thousand dollars worth of suspension mods.
>>79427845
Judging by that picture, i can see why people would start braking, they realized they're heading towards cleveland.
>>79426778
Contracts you idiot. Arguing libertarianism in pol is a fucking joke
>>79424455
>all roads become private property
>effectively kills freedom of movement
>>79428245
But what if they don't comply with the contract?
>>79425945
As is govt interference in the market economy, exactly the same.
>>79428245
who enforces the contracts? The courts? Is your Somalian Paradise know as libertarianism do you have those? do you have police? Does anyone have a fucking roadmap of this bullshit or do you guys just spout it out of your head like a babbling drunk.
>>79427281
What´s to stop private company X from establishing a monopoly and then demanding exorbitant sums of money for the use of their streets?
>libertarian
>society
Pick one and only one.
>>79428378
>>79428419
Again idiots, libertarianism is not ancapism. Ancapism is a subset of libertarianism.
Statism answers your question. Minarchy too. Private Law Societies too.
>>79428524
> hur dur the market will decide
checkmate atheists
>>79428635
Are you a statist?
>>79426502
What's it like living on the east coast?
>>79426778
Force what unto whom? If corporations need people to drive to them, they need to have a permit to install a passage from the road onto the corporation's property. Or the road owner could approach the corporations and argue whatever deal suits them best in whatever conditions they want. No one is "forcing" anyone into doing it...
>>79428524
competition
>>79426384
Shut up
IT JUST WORKS
>>79426789
How much of your money is taken from you by force every year? Look up all the different taxes. Between where you earn money at work and where you buy the products you want, an easy 40% of your money is gone to government to no benefit of your own.
That's slavery.
Shit, have you considered how many licenses your lifestyle requires you to purchase? I buy a license to carry a pistol on me, a license to park on the side of dirt roads, a license to catch a fish, a different license for every individual game animal I harvest, a license to operate my car, a license to pay useage fees at state parks, and a license to serve somebody an alchoholic beverage, all at no benefit to myself.
That's not freedom.
>>79428524
Nothing, people replying to OP are stupid and don't understand the concept of a natural monopoly. Also half the people here are cucks who are tricked into believing monopolists' incarnation of capitalism.
>>79428524
A government could, theoretically, do that too.
But they wouldn't be re-elected, just like you would go with the competition if a private company did it.
>>79428635
>libertarianism is not ancapism.
Yes it is, the very core of libertarianism is that taxation is theft, and that anything the govt. can do, the market does better. So explain how anything is enforced.
>>79425133
>i have no idea what "toll" means
>>79424455
They won't be absurd prices, the companies still have to compete.
>>79424082
when its libertarian, the roads do and maintain themselves
>>79429005
I assume you are also upset that the stupid federalist also made your food meet minimal standards of food safety. China doesnt have those standards yet and your "free market" model causes them to fly to australia and buy up their formula.
But god forbid our government regulate food with those petty "licenses" your complaining about.
>>79426789
What do you actually believe the government is protecting you from?
Terrorism?
It's a fucking witch hunt, but they'd be justified anyway after how much we've fucked with other countries.
>>79429207
no they dont, because one eventually grows and absorbs others until it buys enough laws to grant itself a legislated monopoly, in everything
>>79424082
We wouldn't need roads because we would have flying cars, because there wouldn't be stupid FAA regulations preventing them.
>>79424082
MUH ROADS!!!1!
>>79429363
>amphetamine, benzos, alcohol, opiate, and barbiturate addicts flying around in little death machines
what could possibly go wrong?
>>79429331
Aren't there laws in place forcing monopolies to divide?
>>79429325
The federal government is your friend. Libertarians dream of a mad max dystopia.
>>79429559
> libertarian
> asking the government to intervene
pick one
>>79424082
The Romanian government
>>79429314
Yet food poisoning is still not unheard of. I've had it twice.
If anything, the "standards" leave a legal safe zone for food producers to fall back on, rather than strive for better quality food. Look at McDonald's food quality.
>>79429559
what part of "buys enough laws" dont you understand?
>>79424082
The roads maintain themselves in libertarian society.
The government can do as much as its voters want it to, but it should be smaller, localized governments instead of big sprawling ones with no accountability and an obsession with sticking their hands in everyone's business, especially other nations
>>79429700
I'm just considering the prospect of free roads, since that's what people are debating. No matter how libertarian, the government will still enforce laws. If you want to talk anarchist, then that's a different story.
>>79429331
Companies are going to price themselves punishingly high the instant they realize an actor is trying to corner the market. Also, the massive overhead of trying to establish and maintain a monopoly renders you highly vulnerable to competition.
>>79429207
>compete
Routes aren't a product. You can't build a road over the same path twice. I can't tell Xfinity/Verizon/Disney Toll Booth corporation to fuck off with their rates because of a different road over the exact same path.
So politely fuck off with your "competition" meme. The number of roads possible over natural paths is finite, which leads to monopolism/oligopolism.
![7550634[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/t7ZqRfc.png "7550634[1].png")
>>79429101
>monopoly
>competition
>>79429655
Are you even awake?
>>79429551
>implying junkies would be able to afford flying cars
it's okay, i'm sure you were just pretending to be retarded.
>Somebody owns the road
>Pays somebody to fix road
Simple
>>79429979
>Also, the massive overhead of trying to establish and maintain a monopoly renders you highly vulnerable to competition.
you are an imbecile
WAT ABOUT MUH ROADS
>>79430006
By compete, I mean set lower prices.
>>79424082
the owners, everything is privatized
/thread
>>79430097
>libertarian
>afford
yeah ok
>junkies/addicts
>all poor
yeah ok
people who want to use roads?
>>79429827
Why haven't you left for Somalia yet?
I mean, if your ideas are so awesome, why haven't they ever been tested? I mean Karl Marx made some shitty ideas and they got tested, wheres your example?
>>79429101
i don't think you retards know what a monopoly is
how the fuck would you go with the competition of the same company owns every single road in your city and decides to charge more money just because they know you don't have a choice since there cant be competition in a monopoly
>>79424082
>>79424082
My fucking "Vehicle registration fee"
> aka road tax
> aka fuck off cyclists
>>79424641
You don't have any private, paid for roads on USA?
Come on you supposed to be the capitalists...
>>79430223
but what about THE ROADS?
>>79429898
>trusts the voting system
>thinks just because the majority agrees on it makes it right.
>>79424082
REEEEEE
plz no steppy mr. gubment!
>>79430163
How do you set a lower price on the same road? You mean on a different road? You realize the number of possible equivalent roads is finite, so a monopoly is easily attained?
OP is a faggot
>>79424082
So could I just build a road (or even a fence) anywhere I want and cut ahead of a road that is being built?
Who gives me permission to build roads where I want? I pay taxes to a government to defend the country I live in and I can just build whatever the hell I want where ever I want to hinder someone else?
>>79430080
I Remember this moment when Guru Rand said "Let them die" and I immediately went "This libertarian nonsense is dumb as hell".
P.S. Im going to vote for Hillary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PepQF7G-It0
>>79424082
A libertarian society is a meaningless term. Just rename the state "State Co." and all their arguments are null and void as private entities can do what they want.
>>79429943
> free roads
can't really phrase it as free:
> construction
> maintenance and up keep
> police/highway patrol
>>79430189
to be a junkie by definition your life/resources/hobbies are owned by your addiction, and yes, most junkies are very, very poor because of this. but it's okay, i'm sure you were just pretending to be retarded.
>>79430111
Monopolies are a myth in a free market. The only reason they can exist is by coopting the power of gov't to suppress the competition.
Bureaucratic inefficiency and inertia is always going to hamstring larger businesses against smaller players.
>>79425503
I don't use that road
I'm not paying for it
>>79430461
Don't ask libertarians who protects private property claims, that is where their argument ends and the need for government begins.
>>79424392
Correct answer. A libertarian society would still have limited taxation, mostly on a local level, and roads and other essential infrastructure would still be produced by the government.
The difference is that every expenditure would be scrutinized before being made. It's really lauyghable when leftist cucks whimper about roads.
As though roads make up the majority of our taxes. As though the government is spending that money on useful things. They are not. The huge majority of your tax dollars go to makework bullshit, foreign wars, welfare that makes people poorer and the political class's salaries. Infrastructure is a miniscule part of the overall expenditure.
I would gladly pay for the roads. I would gladly pay for the stop lights and the fire departments. I do NOT want to pay for a 3 million man mercenary army that goes around murdering people across the globe. I do NOT want to pay for a gigantic socialist ponzi scheme to keep the urban poor cranking out new voters for the Democratic Party.
It's pretty disgusting that at this point, the desire not to waste colossal amounts of money doing NOTHING is seem as objectionable by so many people, as though it is somehow their sovereign right to waste as much cash as they possibly can for no other reason than that they're already doing it.
This is also how you can tell that 100% of Leftists are full of shit when they talk about a "classless stateless society," because as soon as you even begin to SUGGEST that maybe the state should be reduced in size, they fly at you like a beaten cat thrown out of a bag--WHO BUILDS THE ROADS, WHO BUILDS THE ROADS
I might ask who redistributes the fucking wealth, but we both already know the answer to that.
![obama3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/v2BcT1z.jpg "obama3[1].jpg")
>>79426188
>obama is right-handed
but obama is left-handed
>>79424392
>this
but instead of having the roads fixed by incompetent government workers, they hire contractors to do it for them.
>>79430681
The government.
Libertarianism is not Anarchy. Stop fucking lying.
>>79430414
Different road.
There are multiple passages used to get places, Gary. If one road costs little, more people go through that way. Generating more profit than the other road, expanding and forming a monopoly and -
ok
ok
>>79427748
the free market. (/s?)
>>79426857
>pipeline
lmao
>>79430785
How?
>>79424082
Serpents in the gasden f(l)ags
>>79430833
Oops sorry. Gadsden Drag. Too many 'd's. That's what she said
>>79430006
Okay, ((maybe)) some routes may be monopolized. Tough luck, everybody hates you for your monopoly and people start doing whatever it takes to get away from dealing with you. Example: The pass near my house is a bitch to get over, so people don't do business with anyone on the other side of it unless it's worth it. Same with your monopolized route: It's not worth it to me to use? Fine, I'll go somewhere else. People deal with this dynamic every single day.
>>79426857
So basically only people who are already wealthy will be able to open small businesses. Sounds likes a pretty fuckin lame idea for the majority.
You guys realize roads are pretty fuckin expensive. Good luck buying the land for your road, im sure the landowners will all be super reasonable.
Also, good luck in getting the road owners to sell you a chunk for you to connect your road to. Im sure they will be super cool about the maintenance costs from the extra traffic fuckin up there roads so u can open your bar.
You guys are fuckin delusional, everything falls apart the second you start looking at something other then extremely best case scenarios that would likely never happen.
>>79430661
>The only reason they can exist is by coopting the power of gov't to suppress the competition.
This is hilarious.
We understand that regulatory capture is one way a monopoly can take shape, but to make the claim you are making is a complete fantasy and ignorant of reality or historical facts.
The largest unchecked monopolies in US history took shape without government intervention or regulatory capture.
>>79424082
Ancap here. Why would we need roads? We'll all be driving off road vehicles and they will be cheap once they are mass produced opposed to the weak gay cars we have now that can't even drive on a little mud or slick rainy roads. Only faggot cars need roads.
>>79430322
freedom, like democracy, is a scale rather than an on-off switch
There is a nation that has subsidiarity as a governing principle, and it's Switzerland.
In the middle ages, the Escartons Republic was a thing too.
There are several examples like that of uncucked societies, most of the time in mountainous areas because mountain people don't like being told what to do.
Besides, the modern state in its all-encompassing presence is a very recent thing. The polymorphous society of the medieval era is closer to libertarian ideals than the nation-state.
>>79431000
And where are they today? Name one that still exists.
>>79430111
You don't know anything about free market dynamics.
>>79430700
Dont want to pay for the army.
That will work out great i bet. Im sure every country will respect your soveriegnity and you wont have to worry about gangs and warlords or anything sense im sure everyone will throw down for a police force.
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>>79424455
So ya, libertarianism is only great for already rich people. The rest of us are fucked.
>>79430335
The government currently runs that exact same scenario.
>>79430335
First, city roads don't have tolls, city roads would be built, like in many places in your country, by the constructors who want to sell their buildings. A building without access has little market value.
Now, with that point made clear, and adressing inter-city roads, exposing yourself to new competition and hatred because of abusing your clients is a shitty business model.
Even if companies went full retard and decided to follow your shitty model and people were so fucking stupid they wouldn't conceive creating alternative methods to arrive those places, roads still have competition, it's called planes, which would cost around 10$/trip without regulations. You suffer clear leftist myopia, the disease of those who claim other are retarded just because your intellect is so limited you can't conceive the way more intelligent people think.
>>79431202
>not wanting to waste money on an empire equals not wanting a standing army that defends the country
ok retard
>>79424820
They wont go out of business... people still need to use roads, company still will collect tolls. Everything u guys say is absolutely best case scenario... ie totally fuckin unrealistic
>>79424082
>In a Michigan society, who pays for the roads?
>>79427186
18 wheeler are gonna need roads, school buses, mail men etc. etc.
>>79424392
this.
Government would be reduced to it's primary functions
>infrastructure, watersystem
>protecting people's property and rights
>protection of state boundaries
>>79426857
Why'd I pay for a free road?
In your example it'd go more like
>gee I would like to build a bar here
>I'll build [select]
>but obviously it'd be part of my service and therefore only for people that visit my bar
Unless you plan on using the service every day after work you won't get much.
>>79426467
it's only theft if you have to pay for stuff you will never need/could get yourself like a public school or muh charity. Honestly, I'd give to charity if my money didn't already go to feed shitskin families. I want to directly control where my money goes to.
>>79424594
Is there any true libertarian systems out there for us to study and glory at?
>>79430322
Somebody already got told about Somalia in this thread. You're an ass if you think they're relevant.
Potholes in Youngstown, Ohio.
Absolutely awful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2jQ42hVY8c
>>79424082
local and state governments through taxes, but more roads can be privatized
>>79426467
Its income tax is theft
And that has to do with the IRS and the Fed
But you don't know what that means so I'll let it slide
>>79424082
White cis gender male of middle class.
>In a Michigan society, who pays for the roads?
>>79424082
Fuel tax. Durp.
>In a Michigan society, who pays for the roads??
>>79430742
> road repair
> feast or famine industry
and what if they go out of business
>>79430784
>multiple passages
There's fewer than you think. In the US it is generally only flat east of the rockies but west of appalachia. In Europe the whole continent is basically a mountain, except for the greater European Plain which basically means multiple roads toward Russia, if you're into that.
Even if the continents were completely flat, you quickly run out of room for more roads as you add more. Roads have a non-zero width, and if one actor controlled a limited number of roads it would be in his best interest to make them as wide as possible. You would then end up with an ellipsoid-like thing of roads, as shown in pic related (although it's about something else).
There's just no way to make it work. It's the same problem with building bridges and running communications cables, except easier/harder respectively.
>>79430700
>3 million man mercenary army that goes around murderingpeople
Pussy
>>79424082
I tell you who. Some company that has a toll every kilometer and makes you pay exorbitant ammounts (while at the same time doesnt tend to their condition because its more profitable that way).
Or..
>>79424297
>Welcome to the Mad Max Universe.
>>79424961
So basically america would look like libya a year after their "revolution"
Infrastructure going to shit while gangs of mercs go around buttfuckin the populous. U goys are fuckin retarded. Every pro i have heard so far would only benefit the super rich, allowing those with the loot to have ultimate power over everyone else.
>>79431153
They are no longer monopolies today you idiot.
That is the point, they existed before the US government adopted anti-trust laws (policy of breaking up monopolies). The largest monopolies in US history existed when the US had only laissez-faire policy in their respective industries.
Carnegie Steel Company and Standard Oil Co
They were both broken up by Ol' Bull Moose Teddy Roosevelt's trust busting.
>>79430923
So your idea of efficiency is abandoning tracts of land because people hate some road owners but not others?
Here's my idea of efficiency: let's have you shut up and let the grown ups talk.
>>79431461
Nope. Nobody has ever really transitioned to Anarchy, only from it. Check the Wikipedia article on the early history of anarchy. Statism is a catchy scheme.
>poor rural people lose their neet bux and suddenly have to pay for their shitty roads
>libertarian solutions to problems such as these boils down to "stop being poor haha"
>>79430223
Wouldn't really need roads after a few decades as we'd have flying cars that run on water.
>>79431376
U just fuckin said no army faggot. Make up your mind.
>>79424082
No one. Some guy goes out and fixes that shit because he needs to use it.
>>79424082
literally, one post by OP, 200 shitpost replies.
You stupid fucking niggers.
>>79431376
Is this just a meme or do u faggots really believe this shit?
>pay my taxes
>the roads are still shit
Apparently my city does fuck all with the taxes we already pay.
>>79424082
Let the roads go to shit for all i care. We can all ride trucks ATVs and Dirt Bikes. When the car manufacturers get sick of nobody buying their shit they will pay for the roads.
Is Michigan like Russia? I remember making a thread about our roads and people from Michigan were all like "Oh, that looks familiar".
>>79430700
So sad. Libertarians don't want to pay for the army that carved out a relatively peaceful marketplace in which to do business. So sad Libertarians don't want to pay for a police force and a justice system so that competing systems of justice (ala drug cartels and mafias) can reign.
So sad that our water, soil, and air will be completely privatized. Bought and sold like candy and video games.
So sad Libertarians want a government too small to protect your rights from being trampled by corporate entities.
Why don't we want all this liberty???
Libertarianism is political philosophy for retards.
>>79427845
nigga we have seasons and shit too, that doesn't stop the govt from fixing the holes
>>79432251
Yeah man. Sending troops overseas and invading various contries is necessary to defend this one!
Are you literally retarded? Who the fuck is going to sail across the ocean and invade us?
>>79431202
To "capture" an AnCap society, you have to put everyone in complete control, because there is no throne or system in place to control them. It'd be kinda like Great Britain "invading" the American West during the 1700's. You can say you're in control all you want, but the only people who believe you are the people who want you in control over them.
>>79426384
State would still exist, but it's power would be limited.
>>79430923
Everything requires best case scenarios, as soon as you move away from best case scenarios everything falls apart.
>>79432430
Your thinking of Ancaps. What libertarian presidential candidate said he wanted to completly get rid of the police force and the army. None of them.
>>79432043
this tbqh
don't question libertarianism it just works, k?
>>79432436
I don't know what to say then. I see the same shit in Canada (Montreal, specifically) too.
>>79428122
underrated post
>>79424082
Longer roads can be paid for with tolls. Shorter roads in towns and cities can be paid for by the companies and residents that have their properties attached to the road.
>>79432430
You say "privatized" as if your whole scheme isn't bought and paid-for by the Rothschilds.
>>79432043
Your idea is to subsidize other people's preference to live outside of the main population centers?
If you decided to go live in the woods by yourself, would you consider you're being oppressed by the market because nobody is building an university next to you?
>>79430661
>Monopolies are a myth in a free market.
ladies and gents, this is what libertarians ACTUALLY believe
>>79431946
*they've never called it "anarchy" because their values were placed in religion or social heirarchy rather than gubment, though the dynamics have been around since homos started walking on 2 feet.
>>79432998
>claiming that something is bullshit based on nothing more than the assumption that it is bullshit
>>79431774
>They are no longer monopolies today you idiot.
Laughing Oil merchants.png
>>79430771
>libertardanism
>government
the only government in libertard land is $$$
inb4
>muh anarcho-cap
yeah, HUUUUGE difference, right?
>>79432617
Na, nigger. Libertarians want to pay so few taxes that you don't get to have a strong military and strong police forces.
You end up with what they have in shithole undeveloped countries. Street justice is the primary way to settle disputes. No measured punishment. Corporations do whatever the fuck they want because they're more powerful than the governmental/regulating bodies.
Maybe you don't want these things- and most of us don't. But they're all consequences of libertarianism. You dumb fuck.
>>79431844
It happens every single day here.
You must be out of arguments, you're onto insulting me already.
>>79432442
b-b-but muh nukes and aeroplanes
But OP's pic just shows the shit maintained state owned roads and doesn't show the well paved semi-private toll roads.
How does OPs pic prove anything?
>>79431417
not the whites.....
so nobody i guess
>>79433133
An enormous difference actually
>>79433119
>Oil has a monopoly on combustion
You can have all the oil in the world, but it will be worth nothing when cars aren't purchased if they run on oil. Natural monopolies are a non issue.
>>79433220
>Corporations do whatever the fuck they want because they're more powerful than the governmental/regulating bodies.
>implying that doesn't already happen
>implying a police force wouldn't exist in a libertarian society
Where did this "libertarianism is anarchy" meme come from? Libertarians want a small, efficient government.
>>79431774
>no monopolies today
amazing
>>79424082
Orphans build the roads.
>>79432666
>don't question libertarianism it just works, k?
exactly
and if ever it were to not work, it was "true libertarianism/free market" kek
In a country without an FAA or any safety nazi bureaucracy who doesn't own a flying car?
Anyone believing in lolbretarianism should not be taken seriously.
When are you faggots going to realize that Communism the undisputed fait for humanity.
And that properly conducted Communism not corrupted by Jews is very similar to National Socialism.
>>79433600
Do you ever stop and wonder how Murrica became the most powerful country in the world? It wasn't through heavy taxation and other leftist policies.
On the other hand, we have plenty examples of socialism failing yet lefttards still cry IT WASN"T REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALL SOCIALISM XDDDDD
>>79433113
>all that projecting
you a mind reader, assuming you know all basis/bases for that conclusion?
in fact monopolies are only a myth in your NARRATIVE of a free market:
"if there is a monopoly, then the market isnt free*" (*no free by fiat, due to their being a monopoly)
which isnt circular AT ALL
Limited taxation would be a necessity for major highways and what not. I'm cool with chipping in to maintain a solid infrastructure.
>>79433753
flying cars are a very long way away due to the fact we havent yet produced a fuel with enough energy density and low enough cost that we can trust your average retard with, let alone to take flight with
>>79431774
>>79431774
You're forgetting some interesting points
1. Their "monopoly" had 90% of the market at their height.
2. People were so pissed about the monopoly that they got damn-near violent and kicked off boycotts and little things here and there that began the dissolve of the monopoly before the government even stepped in.
3. They had government help in getting big
4. They alone were responsible for advancing petroleum processing to new heights, even though they had plenty of stock in the old ways.
5. These companies still exist today, forming a near-monopoly on oil production when you factor in "parent" companies and who owns who.
>>79433844
>? It wasn't through heavy taxation and other leftist policies.
it was through just the right balance
>>79433434
well according to MUH definition, no
>>79433785
except that NatSoc focuses on the Nation, Freedom of the people, and their wealth.
Comunism focuses on equality.
Both have the same goal, but you reach it through nationalism.
Also NatSoc understands that there must be differences in the wages.
There are more terrible mistakes in Comunism.
>>79424564
Kind of early to call 1 post isn't it?
>sees how late I am
Oh, you're right. Why was this thread not ignored.
>>79433455
Do you not fucking understand the concept of competing powers? You get competing powers when the governmental power is low.
Small and efficient are meaningless. Any fucking time you use CBA to determine whether we need a govermental institution the CBA will always show cost exceeds financial benefit.
That means libertarians would dissolve that institution,- or cut funding. Which would inevitably lower the benefits received, which would trigger lowered funding... ad infinitum.
there's no god damned way anything like a public police force survives CBA. Nor does a public court system survive CBA. Nor does the military. Nor does any fucking public institution.
That's why libertarianism is so fucking stupid.
>>79425714
>not having corpsedisposal.inc take out the corpses
ITT statists try to argue AnCapistan, fail, and throw temper tantrums.
check and mate, libertardists
>>79434550
>all statism is the same
>live in libertarian society
>die of heavy metal poisoning because there's no government agency in charge of keeping this shit from happening
Libertarianism is a meme and you all know it.
>>79429203
>i have no idea what income & sales tax are
How does the government raise money for war in a libertarian society? What if they get attacked?
>>79434644
>Be a statist shill
>Can't be arsed to think of ways to prevent this without daddy state
This is one of the fucking easiest, saw in a documentary how there was an asian city where a private company was analyzing food street spots and awarding them with A B or C tickets depending on their cleanliness, food spots without the sticker or equivalent proof had no customers.
>>79435021
>pay additional charge for analyzing food for needless contamination
>die of substance that is worse than lead but used
because it cannot be detected
