Nationalism is a cancer that causes nothing but war, division, and suffering.
Case in point: the middle east
>inb4 SAGE SAGE SAGE BAIT BAIT BAIT
I can't wait to see you people prove yourselves wrong, I'm looking for a laugh today.
>>79398101
> But you should apologize for slavery.
>>79398101
SAGE SAGE SAGE BAIT BAIT BAIT
>>79398158
>citing SJW shit to make it look like hipocrisy
>>79398101
I've got pictures too faggot
>>79398224
That's because they're the types of people who actually prop up the dumb shit you just posted
>>79398101
> Nationalism, teaches you to take pride in collective achievement and love people you've never met.
FTFY. And sage.
Copy pasta slide thread that is posted hourly.
>>79398101
Having pride is different from claiming "My country is better than yours, I am better than you, fuck off".
Nationalism is just the manifestation of the human tendency of in-group preference.
>>79398158
muh heritage
>there's nothing wrong with me identifying with the victories and achievements of my ancestors
>but blacks and other races identifying with the struggles of their ancestors is stupid
>>79398101
Could you please refrain from shitposting? Thats our/aussies/canadians job. Thank you.
>>79398101
>Case in point: the middle east
i dont understand this,
what have muslims raping kids and kill everyone todo with nationalism?
>>79398101
>Implying war, division and suffering are bad things.
>>79398348
Patriotism and Nationalism are two different things
>>79398101
The middle east? That's largely religious. And out interference there is nothing to do with nationalism but the elite enriching themselves.
>>79398404
> identifying with struggles
That's your problem
>>79398518
Yes, patriotism is for cucks, nationalism for humans.
>>79398101
>war, division, and suffering will magically go away if nationalism goes away
hey pal, you blow in from stupid town?
>>79398101
Extreme anti-nationalism also foments unrest and war, and facilitates ethnic replacement.
>>79398518
indeed. patriotism is a pretty word for nationalism.
>>79398484
That's like asking what Nazi Germany has to do with Nationalism
>>79398101
>nationalism causes nothing but war, division, and suffering
So? What's your point anon?
>>79398404
The difference is that I don't demand reperations from the fucking British for burning the White house, now do I?
>>79398101
>combining people of different cultures and ideologies has no repercussions
I'll take my petty squabbles over rivers instead of an overreaching government forcibly integrating me with bronze age barbarians.
nationalism is important. people with no nationalism sell themselves and their people like property. blacks have no nationalism. they sold their own people to slavers. they kill each other for fun. its disgusting. people who have no nationalism are garbage
>>79398677
what has nazi germany todo with nationalism?
it was National Socialistic.
>>79398518
Has it occurred to you that many nationalists are in fact patriots forced to nationalism because cucks like yourself made patriotism a dirty word.
>>79398101
>Amerifat tries to shitpost
>Babby's first strawman
No matter how hard you try you will NEVER be a Straya tier shitposter. Pathetic.
>>79398101
>I have to meet the savages from my liveleak videos before i can properly judge them.
Wot?
>>79398928
Playing victim doesn't excuse retardation
>>79398677
The thought that their nation was better than other nations was a huge motivation behind everything the 3rd Reich wanted to do.
>>79398101
Huh, really makes you think.
>>79398101
Globalism is a cancer that causes nothing but war, division, and suffering.
Case in point: the middle east (isreal)
>inb4 SAGE SAGE SAGE BAIT BAIT BAIT
I can't wait to see you people prove yourselves wrong, I'm looking for a laugh today.
fuck you nigger I hope your turds come out like large square Brownies
>>79398101
Everything leads to war, nationalism prevent form the interior threat
>>79398101
Typical globalist scum.
Always looking for divisions to regulate and control.
Most unnatural phenomenon in the world.
>>79398101
>take pride in shit you haven't done
Sounds like a lot of dindus with their WE WUZ EVERYTHING
>>79399062
It's retarded to seek community and security with people with whom you share language and culture?
>inb4 spookposting
>>79399548
Yeah they;re taking away our freedoms like giving us fishing quotas so we don't destroy the ecosystem fuck those globalists. What regulations have they pasted that you disagree with?
>>79399670
It's retarded to hate people who you've never met
Especially when it's through cherrypicked propaganda
>>79398101
>"Nationalism is retarded, I mean you're taking credit for something you didn't even experience. Racists are so ignint!"
>"Of course we deserve reparations! 300 years ago muh ancestors were the only people ever to have been sold into slavery and because everything was made out of cotton we deserve $20 trillion each!"
Why do leftists do this? Why do they decree something that they're advocating for on the other side of the coin? I used to think cultural Marxism was a meme until I saw how little self awareness these mongos have and how common sense is now anything but common.
>>79398101
Culture can be shitty, but it's the only thing protecting you from shittier culture.
>>79399733
Fun fact.Leave Campaign already stated that fishing quotas will probably stay in place. Another broken promise ._.
>>79398101
>Ireland is fully British
Kek
>>79398101
>you are not allowed to take pride in what your ancestors did
>BUT REMEMBER WE WUZ KANGZ AN SHIET
>>79400225
>It's retarded to hate people who you've never met
Tell me something, have you ever been hit by a bus at full speed?
>>79398101
Nationalism is the ultimate red pill that keeps the filthy races locked into their own filthy cages.
Sure a war or two may break out, but those are short term problems. Race mixing with the mud races will be the end of civilization.
>>79400225
Nationalism = hate? Does that mean black natinoalists hate everyone that isn't black? Explain your reasoning.
>>79400395
There will always be fishing restrictions in order to protect sustainability.
What is retarded is having these restrictions while the Norwegians fish outside of the restrictions and sell our own fish back to us
>>79400622
Most black nationalists hate white people
>>79400592
You'd say that even if mud races had higher average IQs than white races.
You're going to need to prove the fact that nationalism creates hate
I'll wait.
NB: "Wars happened in the past" or "[thing] happened in the past" does not prove that nationalism causes hatred
>>79398261
so youre supposed to hate everyone around you?
no wonder the alt right cant do jack shit
>>79400772
I think /pol/ is proof enough
>>79400723
Or, it could just mean that they're proud to be the way they are? Just like White nationalism is proud of being white? Why do you immediately assumne Pride/nationalism = hate?
>>79398101
Next they'll want to get out of any sense of responsibility for their city, and neighborhood, and family or even themselves.
>>79398864
"own people" gets muddy in collectivism.
You ain't white enough for US, one-drop-fucker!
Of course, WE'RE pure, right, collective?
>>79398101
Nationalism:
Teaches you to have pride in your roots. Which support the growing trunk of your life and the spreading branches of your children.
>>79400895
>an outlying group of reactionaries which is also incredibly small with regard to population size is proof enough
no.
Try again.
I'll debunk the rest of your shit if you're even able to come close to proving your assetions
>>79400772
/pol/, trump supporters, the malays, mexicans, etc.
>>79401054
again see >>79401036
also >le trump supporters are evil raycists meme
I could get you a youtube video some lefty cuck that disputes this entirely
>>79401054
oh adding to >>79401120
Even if we accept that nationalists are hateful you still need to prove that this is because of nationalism
>>79398101
>OP doesn't know he's quoting Doug Stanhope
>>79401120
Those same "lefty cucks" are still perfect examples. People with an "us vs them"/"left vs right" mentality. They think there are only two sides to every battle, good and bad, and everyone in the south is lesser than they are.
>>79400895
/pol/ is a board of peace
>>79398101
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rh9zii64eVMtfF5cwEKpx1QAKk9ZP4lDkGl4OSzXiSI/
>>79401120
trump supporters said the most stupid hateful shit under the guise of "freedom of speech" and "doing it for america".
thats brewing hate. hatred never solve problems
>>79401333
I'm waiting for you to prove that nationalism = people thinking its us vs them and not people thinking
"I love my country and my people, I am proud of their achievements and I am proud of the fact I, and my family and ancestors, contribute to this society and help to improve it, even in small ways"
>>79401472
>trump supporters said the most stupid hateful shit under the guise of "freedom of speech" and "doing it for america".
now you need to prove to me that this is more than a small % of Trump supporters, that all Trump supporters identify as nationalists, and that all nationalists are hateful people
You're really fucking horrible at this
>>79398101
How do you want to bet, OP has never left the states, prolly doesnt even have a passport
>>79401583
going to fix two things here
rather than "that all Trump supporters identify as nationalists"
"that all the people, or most of the people, doing this identify as nationalists"
and rather than "all nationalists are hateful people"
that "a large amount of nationaists who are hateful people have their hate caused by nationalism"
this should make it easier for you
>>79401497
*but fuck shitskins and niggers and jews and everyone that fail to appropriate my culture.
you are a textbook example lad.
>>79401737
>*but fuck shitskins and niggers and jews and everyone that fail to appropriate my culture.
where did I say this?
I love my country and my people
I'm a nationalists so I want to put myself and my people first
this does not mean I hate everyone else in the world
actually one of the major reasons I'm anti immigration is because it brain drains third world countries and makes it harder for them to improve themselves
>>79398101
>They turned Greenland's flag into Denmark's flag
I am so discontented.
>>79400895
/pol/ is a bored of love on the web don't listen to any one else
> Hitler every one hates him but pol forgives and forgets and remember him for the good he did they don't hate him for losing
> Milo a faggot that likes black people dose pol wish this man to be stoned to dearth in Sweden of course not and they most like him for his points of view they just hate his life style
>Russia the very country that started commission do they wish people would destroy Russia no they like it and Putin
> races pol loves all kinds of races they love them so much they want them to stay that way forever and not mix
now tell me how pol is a bored of hate
>>79400792
Us? hate everyone around us? Have you been on the internet sphere lately, outside of /pol/?
We are the most hated on group in the world at the moment.
But you mistake hate for frustration at the fact our government's are treating people who have no respect for us likes kangz. People who are coming in, obviously abusing our systems in place to help people who really need it. Then we are told we are the bad guys for getting pissed about it.
You are the ones who hate everyone.
>>79398101
We need war. How else are we going to purge this world of niggers, gooks, kikes, sand niggers, wetbacks, whops, and greasers?
>>79398101
Having a shared sense of pride binds a society together and increases morale, peace and productivity
>>79398101
people don't give a shit about their fellow countrymen, yet you pretend they give a shit about all world's population.
Look at your own country. Riddled with racial hatred and segregation without solution from any side. Go fuck yourself and let me live with my peers.
>>79401737
>>79401333
If you two don't have any way to prove any of your assertions Im going to leave this thread because, in all honesty, you're really fucking bad at this
>>79401823
some of those immigrants are hardcore britishboos that would be more of a brit than you actually.
>>79401880
I hope English is your second language
>>79400792
Just because you don't love something, doesn't mean you hate it. Love and hate are strong emotions. Do you feel strong emotions for each and every stranger who dies every minute around the world?
>>79402036
Prove this.
Also tell me in what way it is moral to brain drain third world countries?
Tell me how it is hateful to love myself and my people, to take pride in their accomplishments, and to be proud of the society that I actively contribute to
When you can do these things we can move forward
>>79402018
Go ahead, you're just projecting/pretending not to be a racist for the sake of an argument.
Just go back to Trump general and bitch about how niggers need to leave your country, you're just wasting my time with this "not ALL of us are bad" bullshit.
Mudslimes use the same argument.
>>79401960
talk shit get hit
when all you do every day is nigger hatin theres bound to be people who have nigger friends that will get tired of your shit
>>79398101
>BAIT
my throbbing cock
>>79402066
nah cunt it is 12:34 am here on Friday I'l give you a lil hint on what i was doing before i got home it involves alcohol
>>79402170
You're an idiot.
>>79398101
>Nationalism
>Xenophobia
Pick one, Bernie.
>>79402170
>Go ahead, you're just projecting/pretending not to be a racist for the sake of an argument
Prove this.
NB: "youre on /pol/ ! ! ! ! " doesn't prove this as /pol/ is not one person
>>79402170
>you're just wasting my time with this "not ALL of us are bad" bullshit.
actually its the contrary
you're asserting that most nationalists are evil, hateful people
I'm waiting for you to prove this, if you can't you're the one wasting my time
you should learn how to structure an argument and do a quick google search for "what is burden of proof"
>>79402145
I too wanna hear what the Mayo has to say.
An immigrant being more brit than the actual British makes no sense.
>>79402299
I guess I'm wrong then, there's no arguing with this.
>>79402461
the thing is these people are here to trigger /pol/ and prove their intellectual superiority
the issue is a lot of /pol/ never asks for the statements in the OP to be proven before moving on with an argument
these people are just morons with no real idea how to structure an argument, and you can see ITT they get slightly annoyed when you ask them to argue properly and prove/support their statements
>>79402558
please respond to >>79402398
>>79402398
Do you want me to go up to every person and ask if they identify as a nationalost and dislike/hate X country?
Christ, you're acting like YOUR time is being wasted.
>>79398101
>Case in point: the middle east
>no supportimg argument
>no "facts"
>no sources cited
That is not how "case in point" is used you dumb, buzzword spewing, parrotfag
>>79400792
Shut up malayshit
>>79402621
>Do you want me to go up to every person and ask if they identify as a nationalost and dislike/hate X country?
If you can't prove it rationally, as you're displaying right now, then you need to do it empirically.
>>79402635
I like this Burger
>>79398101
NON-NATIONALISM
Teaches you to take pride in eating curried dogfood and having fast sprinters in the Olympics
and love people who want to rape you and/or cut off your head
We can save the planet by removing the liberal cancer.
Their Utopia is prison anyway.
Into prison they should go.
>>79398101
kill yourself before you shill yourself
>>79402398
I'l have a go cunt
to be a nationalists means you must be hateful for what happen if there is a better country's culture that is better than his if he admits defeat the thing he takes pride in is no longer any good
so what shell he do he can ether get owned by this better county or hate it
that's all the bullshit i can think of at this point
>>79398101
So much wrong with that meme -- where the fuck do I begin?
I'll try to make this so simple, even a dumb fucking liberal can understand it.
For one thing, pride is a state of being, not doing, dumbass. As such, it's as much a matter of identity as action. In other words, it's perfectly natural to take pride, not only in your own accomplishments, but in the accomplishments of one's people because they're part of your identity and you are part of theirs. Why do you think family's cheer their sons and daughters at sporting events?
God, liberals are so fucking stupid it's painful.
Secondly, I don't HATE anyone I've never met. However THEIR background is part of THEIR identify and as such, I'd be foolish not to have an informed opinion about them based on that identity. They are different and therefore understandably separate from my culture, and given my desire to preserve my culture, I would just as soon they remain separate. But maybe that's because I'm a white American and for us there's nowhere to go but down. I decline to do so, if it can be avoided.
Don't worry, I won't bill you for this education I just gave you. BTFO of dumbass liberals is just a hobby of mine.
I do it for free.
>>79398101
I agree partially but only because I'm a monarchist and think we should return to much smaller and tighter run states instead of such broad nations.
>>79402635
>>79402728
>citation needed
>citation needed
>citation needed
>citation needed
Bwahaha this is your only argument?
I'm sorry your fucking blind, but nationalism causes war, that's how the world works
Maybe you just need to live here a little longer.
>>79400225
Wanting nation to put citizens first =/= hating the rest of the world
I just think they should for the most part stay in their own nations and make them better. If you're going to move to a country, work and respect the host nations cultures and tradition.
It's the left who're desperately conflating nationalism with intolerance. Possibly because you see that nationalism is far more popular with the working class that you sold out.
>>79403009
>nationalism causes war
how ?
>>79398518
Yes, nationalism is caring about your people.
Patriotism is being a cuck to the government.
Protip: Very few of the people running the US are either.
>>79402910
>NOT ALL OF US ARE LIKE THAT
I understand perfectly
The ideology of peace, right? :^)
>>79398677
You're confusing national ism with religion for some reason
>>79402036
>be more of a brit
A brown person can't be a Brit at all.
Sorry to say.
And most immigrants from the 3rd world couldn't give a shit about the country they're moving too.
Just how much money it has.
>>79398101
Nationalism caused the middle east's problems? No, I'm sorry I think you meant to say Islam.
>>79398101
We bombed the Middle East in the name of Globalism.
>Can't let those backwards human right violators dictate themselves, as they've been doing for the past hundreds of years, Nope.
Gotta bring democracy at there door. So they can be civilized in one global community, we could exchange cultures, and do trade(especially for cheap international oil).
>>79398404
The problem is that the Left demands you feel guilty for the crimes of your ancestors while not having pride for their achievements.
If I'm not allowed to feel proud that my ancestors essentially built the most advanced human civilization ever and were responsible for pretty much everything we conceive of as rights and what is moral and good, then I sure as fuck am not going to feel guilty for slavery.
And of I own both their successes and crimes, then their crimes are still vastly outweighed by all they've achieved.
>>79403100
>Media makes "bad guys" look like a threat to "my people"
>sheeple encourage the government to attack
>war breaks out
>>79403268
Nationalism is the causation. Religion is the justification
>humanity is totally united except when you take into account race, ethnicity, culture, religion, politics and more
back to the shed, leaf
saged
>>79402899
>to be a nationalists means you must be hateful for what happen if there is a better country's culture that is better than his if he admits defeat the thing he takes pride in is no longer any good
>so what shell he do he can ether get owned by this better county or hate it
This is probably the best they could do
the issue with this is that you need to prove pride requires you to believe yourself to be the best and not just be "good" or "adequate"
you can be proud of things that aren't "the best"
ie an art student could be proud of their work without it being even close to as good as the rest of the artwork in the world, or better than it.
Although this was a lot better than anything they've put forward so far. Its quite sad really
>>79403009
>Bwahaha this is your only argument?
No I'll make my argument when you support yours, either rationally or empirically
>but nationalism causes war
again ether rationally or empirically support this statement and I'll bother myself to construct a counter argument
>Maybe you just need to live here a little longer.
I mean you're the one unable to support a single one of your statements on a mongolian motion picture discussion board
>>79403323
ah so media manipulation of the people causes war, not nationalism
I'm proud of my family's achievements, even though it's completely unrelated to me.
I love my family.
Does that mean I hate everyone who isn't related to me?
>>79403357
>Nationalism is the causation
prove this.
>>79398101
Realtalk: I think nationalism only makes sense as either a pragmatic compromise or as based partly on ideology.
In terms of who you truly feel kinship for, you do not feel kinship for your entire race or nation; according to Dunbar's number, you really can't. You only care for maybe a couple thousand people, and that's stretching it. A squirrel dying on your front lawn is more emotionally draining than hundreds of people across the world hit by a tsunami.
Conversely, there is no rational reason why the people in your direct vicinity are more valuable than any of the billions of strangers around the world, unless said immediate people are objectively superior in some way (and maybe not even then). This doesn't make it wrong to help your people over an equal number of other people, but it doesn't make it the preferable answer either; it's a trolley with the same number tied to each track.
In short, the head is universalist, the heart is tribalist. Nationalism still makes some sense, however, if:
>your people really are superior; then they should conquer the rest
>certain large groupings work best amongst themselves, for biological or ideological reasons (this is probably what most people here would argue)
>Dunbar's number turns out to be Xbox hueg and everyone in a nation does tribally love each other
>Liking your own culture and being proud of your ancestors is akin to hating everyone else different from you
cultural marxist liberals in a nutshell
>>79403391
It wouldn't work without nationalism
>>79403098
>I just think they should for the most part stay in their own nations and make them better.
This is the flaw in your logic. They're incapable of making them better.
All the best nations are in the west (with the exception of a few Asian countries).
The people who built these nations simply did a much better job of it and therefore want to preserve them. People in shitty countries see the more successful countries and want to come and beg, borrow and steal from those successful cultures as much as they possibly can.
It's literally that simple.
>>79403100
>how ?
Because you need a proper nation to wage war.
OP's a delusional idiot with 0 understanding about how things work in the real world and has some silly utopian ideal.
Nationalism is an inevitability, good or bad. Trying to get rid of it has only gotten rid of the good nations and given useless savages that won't give up their nationalism more power.
>>79398101
>Hide
Have fun discusing in a ba8 thread filled with fishermen
>>79398738
>Equating the burning of the white house during one post-colonial war with multi-generational and systemic SLAVERY
There are arguments to be made against reparations - this is NOT one of them you goddamn idiot.
>>79403597
Slavery is not an inherently evil thing
>>79403323
By your logic then, the media is responsible for wars. Maybe the media needs to be held accountable for starting wars and not some abstract concept like "nationalism".
>>79403462
>It wouldn't work without nationalism
how so?
If you told me there was a great evil trying to conquer a people and subjugate them I would be more than ready to fight for their freedom if you could prove to me this was happening
You could probably do this through taking some scenes out of context and appealing to my emotional side
This has nothing to do with nationalism.
>>79403283
To be fair, Iraq probably would be better off if we just made them US territory; we did the worst possible thing, take out a stabilizing asshole and allow far worse assholes to take over, all while wasting trillions.
I don't give a damn about Saddam's sovereignty, I just think he was better than ISIS.
>>79398101
>Nationalism is a cancer that causes nothing but war, division, and suffering when you lack mutual respect for each other's cultures, and refuse to observe local customs when visiting.
There, fixed that for you.
>>79398101
>Nationalism is a cancer that causes nothing but war, division, and suffering.
Good, makes life more fun.
>>79403597
> multi-generational and systemic SLAVERY
or you could say they needed to do work so they could live among us and be civil instead of leaving them in Africa to taste cow ass
>>79398101
>inb4 SAGE SAGE SAGE BAIT BAIT BAIT
But it is.
You're saying love is cancer that only causes war division and suffering.
Perhaps things turn that way when love gets out of control or someone attacks you or the things you are attached to, but you wouldn't blame love itself for that, would you?
>>79403788
e d g e
>>79398101
GLOBALISM
>outsourcing your job
>outsourcing your women
>outsourcing your land
to shit cultures that were never able to achieve anything on their own so they leach off the successful ones.
You want to start a fucking war. Tell a man you gave his job to China, his immigrant neighbor just raped his daughter, and now he has to move out of his home because he has no money and a foreign investor just bought it.
>>79403853
Makes more sense than your delusions
>>79398101
Destroying nations and their borders is in the best interests of a few. People have no more reason to be benevolent to each other under an invisible oligarchy than they do a national oligarchy.
Terrible thread. At least you tried.
>>79398664
What? Nationalism is the belief that a nation state is stronger when united. Patriotism is love for the fatherland. One is logical and the other is emotional
>>79403890
which delusions?
The thing is I've only stated a few things about myself and my ideals
I haven't made any major assertions which could remotely be compared to delusions
All I'm doing is waiting for one of you to prove anything
It hasn't happened because you're all inept and really shit at making arguments, on top of this you clearly don't have any real insight into the topic at hand and honestly are just serving as entertainment for me until I go out
>>79402461
third world immigrants only takes less than 3 years living in britain to develop high fluency in english and have an english accent.
they also see the british flag fashionable and displays it proudly whenever they got the chance.
the british hating immigrants you see on youtube, those are the extreme few of them. most third worlders are willing to sacrifice anything to just live in britain and be british.
>>79400946
But that brings up the question: why only be responsible for your people and not the world? Why make such a cutoff?
Nationalism makes sense as a compromise based on human tendencies ("alright you can't save the world, but at least try to manage this shit"), not as an ideal. The ideal isn't to care the most for your own group, but it's better than caring for nobody at all.
>>79403510
I'd even be up for paying for them to develop if they stay in their own damned countries.
>>79398101
You idiot!
The middle east's problem is not nationalism, it's religion.
>hurr durr superior countries should invite vermin to dilute it to their level.
>>79402617
you are literally cherry picking arguments and being all around autistic.
reminds me of those LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU IM RIGHT YOURE WRONG LALALA posters
0 intelligence
>>79398101
Nationalism is coming for you...
>>79398101
...except for Israel!
If you think Israel should not be nationalistic, then you are an anti-Semite!
I'm going to suggest that you cede this point if this wasn't just a bait thread (however unlikely this is) because you are all yet to come close to proving anything
>>79404328
>third world immigrants only takes less than 3 years living in britain to develop high fluency in english and have an english accent.
the first point I can accept, the second point is mostly irrelevant
>>79404328
>they also see the british flag fashionable and displays it proudly whenever they got the chance.
Prove that this is more than a small minority of them
>>79404328
>the british hating immigrants you see on youtube, those are the extreme few of them
Prove this
>>79404328
>most third worlders are willing to sacrifice anything to just live in britain and be british.
The first part I can accept due to the recent events involving morons dying to get to a place that gives slightly better benefits than whatever safe, European country they came from
however the idea that they want to be British is something you're going to need to prove, bearing in mind most vote in their self interest and the interest of their people trying to come to Britain than British people
>>79404511
ad-hominem, not a valid response and you're still yet to prove anything
>>79398101
I won't sacrifice nationalism for the sake of a few jewish bankers.
>>79403859
In this case, the problem is that the other people and cultures are inferior; it's not a question of protecting your own, it's a question of protecting and fostering what is superior.
>>79404328
>third world immigrants only takes less than 3 years living in britain to develop high fluency in english and have an english accent.
this i doubt very much i lived in melb boxhill cunt so cant say to the shit skins over there but here they will try to only talk moon speak
there shops all have moon speak on them and none of them can talk in a aussy accent
Nationalism to me is respecting what those before you have built, and putting forth your best effort to preserve it.
there are natural divisions in nature.squirrels live in trees and groundhogs live in the ground. you cannot have the sheep living with the wolves or vice versa. we arent mature or advanced enough as a species to all live together nor would we want to. loss of identity is not a good thing
>>79403511
>What is sectarian strife?
>What is the Rwanda Genocide?
>what are the Crusades?
>what are the teutonic knights?
Are you pretending to be retarded? please I am just praying that you are.....if you aren't, I just don't want to live on the planet anymore.
>>79404446
>why only be responsible for your people and not the world?
on the contrary I would suggest nationalism is putting yourself and your people first, not necessarily saying "the rest of the world can burn" but saying "Well we can help you people in this far away place or we can help our own. We're going to help our own and then, if we have the means afterwards, we will help you"
No I am not suggesting all nationalists would be happy to help the rest of the world
I accept that some nationalists are violent racists
However I feel nationalism is more sorting your priorities than anything else, along with having a pride in the achievements of your people, the fact you contribute to the society you are a part of, etc
Also thank you for the legitimate response to this thread, its a nice change from the rest of this
>>79404580
case in point with israel they HAVE to be nationalistic.
because you see, my love, these people have been extremely productive towards the white christians and they are almost everytime exclusively purged or killed whenever something went wrong with their countries.
its good to know israel has the samson option. just in case whites start killin jews for no reason again we can confirm the fallout series is meme magic in action eh?
>>79398101
You have the wrong idea about nationalism OP
You are prob thinking about chauvinism
Chauvinism is an exaggerated patriotism and a belligerent belief in national superiority and glory
One fellow, a product of some superficial punk/flowerchild heritage, tried to convince me that all battles are provoked by chauvinistic nationalisms. Words like 'chauvinism', 'nationalism', are used interchangeably by most people because they don't know the definition of those terms. It's like confounding rape with love or 'the kiss of death' with the act of friendship. This very primitive confusion of opposites is caused by their apparent similarity so that the immediate impression replaces reasoning. Very few people think deeply about topics that do not personally concern them. They have their opinions which they don't really care to examine. That's how dangerous theories are born.
The words 'imperialism', 'chauvinism', describe the aggressive drive to conquer. 'Nationalism', 'patriotism', on the other hand, are drives directed inward, as quiet pride in oneself and one's kin, whether family, region or nation. Nationalism and patriotism are contemplative feelings of continuity. While imperialism and chauvinism have brought more destruction than contribution to civilisations, without nationalism and patriotism the arts and letters wouldn't exist.
Well I'm going to take my leave of this thread since its now boring me, have fun faggots.
Look at this fantasy land i made in my head where nothing bad ever happens guys
>>79405092
huh
>were gonna bomb the hell out of isis
>the mexicans will build the wall or theyre gonna regret it
that orange fuckface is a jingoist fuck i swear to god. wonder why nobody fired a gun at him yet.
>>79404903
you're pretty good at trolling, but please respond to this post >>79404048
>>79405398
obama was president for 8 years.
no ww3 yet.
I guess the same can be said to hillary's presidency
Nationalism is viewed as a part of human evolution in my field(evolutionary psychology).
What people call xenophobia is completely natural to humans, everyone experiences it even if they pretend they don't.
Essentially:
Tribalism, dipshit. We're animals.
>>79403293
Are you anglo canadian?
If so all you did was build Canada on Quebec's shoulders and claim that you did it all along.
>>79405042
its good to know israel has the samson option. just in case whites start killin jews for no reason again
>no reason
mate..
>>79404984
That makes sense; the full-Emiya solution would be to help everybody, but you can't really blame anyone for prioritizing themselves if only so much can be done. Again, a compromise instead of an ideal unto itself, but that's the real world for you.
>>79398101
Nationalism teaches you to respect the things your elders built and left for you.
>>79398101
I have nothing except my country. Now I'm not necessarily a nationalist because I'm too depressed, lonely and poor to be welcomed in society, but it's not hard to see why people do it.
>>79398101
No, Nationalism teach you to respect your country men and protect yourself and your country men from outside influence that seek to benefit themselves.
There is no "unified world", you or I have nothing in common, not even a language in common, the same way I have nothing in common with a Chinese or Japanese person, while I am from European in part, the family I have in europe have little in common with me as well thanks to our different environments where we grew.
Fuck you, you globalist kike.
>>79398330
That's where your wrong, /pol/ alone is proof that you are wrong.
>>79400792
No, you look out for your own and don't care for anyone against you.
>>79398495
So you wanna start WWIII?
>>79398495
So you wanna start another Holocaust?
>>79399670
>It's retarded to seek community and security with people with whom you share language and culture?
This point is NEVER addressed by anti-nationalists.
>>79405996
why blame the actions of the few towards an entire group of people?
white nationalists cant answer that.
Where did this idea that having pride in your country/people means that you hate all the others come from?
The only people I hate are the ones who actively undermine the nation.
>>79400622
>Does that mean black natinoalists hate everyone that isn't black?
They do, but they aren't actually nationalists, they just have it in the name.
>>79398101
Nah, it's pretty effective. Ever thought about why it's still alive and kicking? Group egoism beats individual egoism. Group altruism beats universal altruism.
>>79401876
Greenland is part of the Danish Kingdom, has modest home rule, kinda like Scotland in the UK. Source: Danish Bachelor of Laws.
>>79398101
>Not wanting to be divided from the niggers and dunecoons.
>>79398101
>Nationalism is a cancer
Wrong.
>that causes nothing but war, division, and suffering.
That's globalism.
>Case in point: the middle east
...Which is caused by globalism. If there was nationalism, the USA would have nothing to do with the middle east.
>>inb4 SAGE SAGE SAGE BAIT BAIT BAIT
Well, your argument is shit.
>I can't wait to see you people prove yourselves wrong,
Prove yourself correct.
>I'm looking for a laugh today.
Go look in a mirror then.
>>79398101
If nations are so bad, contemplate this. If there are no separations between groups, what group decides how things will run? If there are no borders whats to stop Shariah law from becoming the law of the land or implementing terrible rules over everyone? If you don't want to live in one of these groups wouldn't it be nice if you could go to a group where they had the rules, laws and people you like? But then you'd have to keep the people with the bad ideas from taking over (a military) and keep the people with the bad ideas from entering your group and changing the group from within (borders). Nationalism is simply the expansion and civilized version of tribalism, and it works. War and division will always exist because people will always disagree on things and fight over things. Suffering is an aspect of life in the universe, there will always be a form of it. Get over it, humanity isn't perfect.
>>79398101
Borders have existed since agriculture became a thing. And if the notion of land ownership bothers you, my condolences, you are a communist and understand now why the NWO wants to abolish borders.
>>79398101
..And quite contrary multiculturalism teaches you to take blame for sh*t you haven't done and hate your own ancestors you've never met. So?
>>79398101
Easy to end this nonsense:
The objectively best countries in the world are: the nordic countries, and Japan and S.Korea. These are the safest, most stable and peaceful countries in the world. In a world of latin american torture houses, South-african infant rape, suicide bombings and massacres, these countries seem like oases in all the chaos. Importing hundreds of thousands of feral africans would very quickly make these countries horrible too. What would you have achieved then? The few good places have been turned to shit, and other places are as worse as before.
Nationalism keeps countries such as these liveable, by keeping the craziness out. If the people in bad countries want to become civilized, they can (maybe), but they have to choose it themselves, and do it where they are.
Liberalism teaches you to feel guilt for supposed crimes that you or your ancestors may have never committed.
Nationalism at least teaches brotherhood & unity among your own kind.
>>79400792
Why is this fucker always so angry in every post? You can recognize who he is, because this same limp dick from malaysia is so bitter no matter what thread he's in.
He acts as if he's some oppressed warrior which really pisses me off. I come here for the lulz and here's this butt hurt fag taking everything so seriously as if he has a chip on his shoulder.
No, I ain't white. The country I came from, we kill commies and your ilk. Hell we even occupied you useless fucks.
>>79402177
That's you projecting faggot. I got the sense that most people around here are actually complaining about White shitlibs.
>>79407824
Nice quick shut down of utopian leftist ideals.
What is the picture?
>>79398101
/pol/ is full of lazy sweaty basement dwelling neckbeards who blame all of their own failures on everyone else. Reverting to primitive tribalism affords them the ultimate excuse... that all the ails of society are the fault of other people.
Can't get a job? Blame academia, niggers and jews
Can't get laid? Blame feminazis
Can't make any friends? Blame niggers and jews
Most of what you see on /pol/ are lazy fucks just looking for an excuse to latch onto for why they failed at life.
>>79410545
>Strawman: The Post
>>79410254
It was a simulation that showed that ethnocentric strategies outcompete every other strategy in the long term, precisely when populations start to saturate. First hypothesis was that it's better in punishing free loaders. But it's more the exploitation of humanitarians that leads to its success. Pretty common sense if you think about it.
>>79410545
>ad hominem
>All people are equally good
>not wanting muslims who blow themselves up on a weekly basis, not wanting niggers who commit over 50% of murders in USA despite being only 13% of population, not wanting arabs who've made a game of rape and sexual harassment, not wanting mexicans who form ultra brutal cartels, not wanting pakistanis who form rape gangs, not wanting to have indian style gang rapes be a common occurence in your country, not wanting to import south africans niggers where 40% of males have raped at least once in their life etc etc ...
>all this is completely irrational and is simply racism due to your own lack of accomplishments!
>>79410545
>this x 100000000000
>>79411420
Sounds interesting. Do you have a link to an article or something ?
>>79398101
>Communism
>teaches you you deserve shit you haven't earned and to hate the people who did
>>79398101
Nationalism is one of the few things that can inspire people to work collectively for a greater good. It's not quite as good as profit incentive, but it certainly helps.
Without nationalism, there'd be no United States, no France, and countless other countries would have been stillborn. Pride in something greater than yourself, even pride in things to which you haven't done much, is a powerful force, and to denigrate it is foolish.
>>79398101
>Diversity
>Teaches you to take pride in the skin other people who have never done anything and hate people who point it out.
>>79398101
Yet black pride and gay pride is a thing
>>79411604
Source
http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html
nationalism teaches you to be proud of your roots
as you should be
>>79398101
War makes us strong and focused. Don't you see the infighting that is now occurring within western countries? Peace has made us look for conflict much like how the body develops autoimmune disorders when there is a lack of pathogens.
We are born to fight external conflict lest we fall prey to ourselves. Nationalism is the only way to keep a people together and focused without jumping to war.
>>79398224
>>79400371
Because they're both SJW shit? lol
>>79398101
>Globalism
>teaches you to take pride in shit you haven't done, hate people you've never met like Trump
>>79404224
You projected yourself onto the entire population of nationalists
You know this is true
Consider the following:
At zero nationalism, all land is meaningless.
What you'll get is just corporations and conglomerates.
If you're okay with that, then go ahead I guess.
>>79412336
oh shit I forgot:
unless you're white, that is
>>79407550
Go figures simple thoughts are outside of your small scope.
I am assuming that your are working the Islamic terrorism with the likes of the few white shooters, such a Dylan roof who did what he did to start a race war.
So, how many attacks that mimic roofs have there been since his? How many white people have shot up a bunch of colored people in the name of starting a race war in the past 10-20 years? Oh, just him.
Now we have a ideology that is clear in its intent and violent pretty much near its core that, what is it now? 1.4 or 1.8 billion follow? A ideology that has strict tenets, brutal rules, and visceral enforcement. Just look at any polls of Muslims view on Islam and you'll see that it's more than just a few, same goes for your news headlines, in regards to attacks and who perpetrates them. How many attacks? Still no link, hmmmmm
>>79398101
It's more or less true. War existed since before the dawn of nationalism(french revolution)
Natural states(AHE, Spain, UK, Switzerland) are a better option than ethnic states(Germany, Greece, Albania)
>>79398101
>Nationalism is a cancer
Only one without an identity would say that you jew
>>79398101
We are the perfect example of that
While I find no pride in being a white American male, I am also not ashamed of being those things either. Those are a part of who I am, but they don't overall define me.
George Carlin was right that it's stupid to be proud of impersonal, collective identities.
We can't bash blacks and Muslims for doing this then turn around and do it ourselves.
>>79413527
Nobody bashes blacks and muslims for being proud of impersonal, collective identities
We bash them for repeatedly playing the victim card, crass and violent behavior, and general savagery along with delusional ideas of some sort of robbed nobility.
It essentially boils down to the fact that niggers have nothing to be proud of and muslims are proud of all the wrong things. Whites, however, are responsible for the vast majority of sociocultural advancements for the last two thousand years
Americans in particular have dominated the past 100-odd years (give or take a few decades). You have plenty to be proud of, but you also can't just sit there and say "I'm american" and do nothing.
Be proud of your roots and seek to build on them
The core of nationalism is the awareness of shared national values and an identification with a single national identity, nations were build to protect language, culture, narrative, ethnicity and beliefs.
If nations no longer protect these characteristics then there is no reason for any nations to exist, they will embrace multiculturalism, fracture in smaller sub-nationalist groups and eventually wars will break the nation apart.
But don't take it from me, take it from the statistics of people living in extreme multicultural societies and look at how unhappy these people have become.
Look at the amount of minorities fighting for their own personal rights in Western Society and how unhappy they are despite living in much better conditions.
Only with nationalist pride and a national conscience will you be able to safeguard independence and avoid oppression by one to another.
You can't destroy nationalism because people will always naturally seek greatness and something to relate to that is biggger than them.
Without nationalism there would be no national identity and consciousness and then people who are still nationalists will feel superior and will seek to dominate those who aren't.
Nationalism only goes too far when it involves levating one over the other, like fascists and national-socialists did.
>>79408339
This. Globalism is basically imperialism. The people that support it are so twisted up with PC ideas and this one world unity, that they violently lash out at anyone who disagrees. They keep.pushing and pushing and poking the bear, then act surprised when it fights back and nationalism rises. They accuse the nationalists of starting wars when it's the globalists that are on the attack in the first place.
>>79398261
This. I'm fed up of feeling guilty for being a white British male, fucking sick of it, I've done nothing wrong in my life but every fucking time there's a debate, your opinion becomes irrelevant for reasons you have no control over such as your gender or race.
>>79414271
I see your point, but I can't take pride for what a few great minds did. Their accomplishments are their own. Just because they happen to share the same ethnic and cultural identity as me doesn't make their achievements my own.
>>79398101
You forgot 'the lack of...' before that. Add Africa to good examples as well.
>>79398404
>identifying with the struggles of their ancestors is stupid.
Because groups like #BLM constantly bitch about muh slavery and muh racism.
Every race have gone through that shit and have risen to become stronger. The struggles will always go on, but there is no reason to bitch about it ALL THE TIME AND BLAME OTHERS FOR IT.
>>79398101
True Nationalism.
>>79404984
THIS
>>79414905
then take pride in your shared heritage and strive to add to your nation's/race's achievements
>>79414557
Cont
"Bad nationalism " is elevating your own nation over those of others and to actively seek the spread of your nation's nationalist values over the world.
Being a self-described nationalist isn't about elevating our own nations over the nations of others until we dominate over them but simply to restore nationalist values to prevent the very people who elevated our Western nations over the nations of others before from doing it again, native or non-native.
Most of us believe that eventually our nations will balkanize were we to keep going on the way we are now.
>>79415766
Yeah, that makes more sense. I think I'll take you up on that! Good points Mr. Swede!
>>79398101
Nationalism is just an extention of tribalism. It's not created intentionally. It's just what works. You could wipe out most of humanity and start over with a global society but down the line districts will develop to have largely different values to one another. That's where the borders come in. To deny this goes against human nature.
Everyone likes seeing the works of art, philosophy, and architecture that strong cultures make, but no one wants to make the sacrifices necessary to preserve culture.
>>79416442
I'm just so sick of postmodernism. Where the fuck is art going?
I agree that taking pride in things you didn't do is stupid, and baseless xenophobia is ridiculous.
Regardless of those two things, I still believe nationalism is good in the sense that everyone should do their best and work hard to support their nation.
However, there is nothing wrong in giving honor to heroes of your nation and celebrating them. If nothing else, it's a declaration that you uphold the values that those heroes exhibited to be good. Your choice of heroes shows your character.
If you idolize Nelson Mandela, that shows one thing about you compared to if you hold Hitler or John Wayne in high regard.
Nothing is wrong with looking at trends in the peoples of other nations when deciding how you want your nation to interact with them.
Sure, there's plenty of decent Mexicans, but given the higher rate of various crimes committed by illegal immigrants, we should be more concerned about the good people of America than the good people of Mexico because who else is going to take care of America if not America?
This is just an example of what I wouldn't consider baseless xenophobia.
On the whole, nationalism is good even if it leads to people who *gasp* take too much pride in their nation.
>>79400225
But I have met them, and it shaped my opinion of them.
>>79416216
That's literally all we are trying to say. Learn from the mistakes of the past amd take pride in the achievements, and strive to build upon them. Liberals ignore the achievements and rage about the mistakes, thus why they want to tear everything down as retribution.
Nationalism is a joke. The best example the nationalists have of a country run according to their principles is Putin's Russia, and it is a total clusterfuck of corruption, inbreeding and demographic decline.
Other proud nationalist paradises would include Belarus, North Korea and Uzbekistan.
>>79417335
All right, Borat. What's wrong with Uzbekistan?
>>79417335
Japan, south Korea, Scandinavian countries are all nationalistic. As is Israel. The difference is the form of government. Capitalism vs totalitarian communism. Vietnam is nationalist but is rapidly developing as the socialist government become more amenable to captialism
>>79398101
My 1st grade teacher taught me to love brown people more than white people, so I do!
>>79417927
South Korea and Scandinavia are not really right-wing nationalist. If anything Scandinavia is heavily feminist and pro-multicultural, and economically run according to the philosophy of Bernie Sanders.
Japan had a good run but now is suffering precisely because of their strict immigration policy.
Russia is the country that most closely matches the alt right nationalist worldview but none of the Westerners who worship Putin actually want to live there, for good reason.
>>79417335
communism
>>79419174
japan is overpopulated they need to shrink their population.
the demographic winter is tough but they'll be better off after going through it
>>79398101
>>79398101
Almost every society that loved its country got raped up the butt
>>79398101
:)
>>79398101
>Case in point: the middle east
The Middle East is probably the least nationalistic place around.
>>79419174
Yeah Russia is too cold. Put someone like Putin in Italy, Greece or Spain and ill gladly move without hesitation.
>>79419174
>Japan had a good run but now is suffering precisely because of their strict immigration policy.
nice try
>Mexican Intellectual
>>79419879
END OF THREAD;;
>>79398541
>case in point: the middle east
hahahahaahahahaahahahaah
...
wait he's serious?
>>79398101
Nationalism is the direct effect of replacing monarchy with liberalism. French intellectuals started calling themselves 'patriots', distinguishing themselves as loyal to the nation of France, and not subjects of the King of France. What followed was a citizen's army, where instead of a small professional army that served the interests of the kingdom, the defense of the nation was the duty of all the citizens of that nation. Gone were the days when a small military was used to decively resolve border disputes about small provinces, now every war, mobilizing the entire might of the nation becomes about ensuring that nation's survival.
>>79398101
Anti-Nationalism teaches you to hate your own people, and love people who hate you.
>>79398282
>1972+44
>strawmanning
>>79410545
>>79411526
Leftist once again prove that every single leftist is a loser that needs to project their failures on /pol/
>>79417335
Every single country on Earth is inherently nationalistic you "Mexican intellectual". Nationalism, the ideology is a relatively new phenomenon that has led to the creation of the nation-state, and which tries to legitimize the existence of a nation-state which is what covers the majority of the globe today.
However, although the nation-state and "nationalism" are new phenomenon, the basic tenants of nationalism are not new. They are infact extremely ancient, and are a evolutionary response that developed in human beings in the past 1000000 as a successful group strategy for long term and large scale corporation.
That's why I can't take anti-nationalist arguments seriously. Almost all of them are so ignorant about the fact that when they argue against "nationalism" they are arguing against biology.
>>79398101
Globalists need to be burnt alive in tire fires.
>>79398101
>Case in point: the middle east
>Implying the united states of america did not sabotage every single attempt of arabs to grow some pride and have a decent nationalism on their own
>Implying that is not the cause of the current situation
>>79406487
>/pol/ is prove of something
The only thing /pol/ proves is 4chan is degenerate as fuck. Half of the people here comes Straight out from /b/
Capitalism is a cancer that causes nothing but war, division, and suffering.
>>79428851
>79276974
this isnt /b/? dad im lost
