Vegans still in charge of being fucking insane and still defending this.
They are also doing it with their pets now.
>Kids never get malnourished if their parents eat meat
Here's some info
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/adult/pediatrics/malnutrition_22,Malnutrition/
>About 1 percent of children in the United States suffer from chronic malnutrition.
Only like .003% of the United states is vegan.
Conclusion: op is a fag
>>79376495
>>79376723
>>79376781
>>79376495
>0.003%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country
1.5m is a little more than 100k, and it's growing cause US is engorged by fads.
There is a way to be vegan correctly just as there is a way to eat correctly.
The problem is you don't instantly die when you feed a young child non-vegan incorrectly
>>79376803
>>79376828
how come the adults can live through it them?
not defending the vegan diet just curious
>>79376885
>>79376968
>>79376962
supplements, and most "cheat".
>>79376962
because adult bodies are already developed and can survive on harsh conditions while kids need a a lot of food to grow and develop. vegan diet is usually unhealthy it just doesnt kill adults as quickly
>>79377014
HOLY SHIt
>>79377065
makes sense.
thanks
>>79377014
>>79375160
Wtf I hate Italy now
>>79377172
These people under eat and underfeed their babies.
A lot of people with eating disorders go vegan.
There really isn't an issue with veganism as long as you have the time and money to follow it safely. These people clearly just do not.
>>79377262
>>79377340
>>79376962
Adults don't need breast milk. We can eat solid food too.
>>79376751
>scurvy
Fucking hell I didn't even know it's still possible to get that.
>>79377399
>>79377513
>Giving a two-year-old breast milk
>>79377664
>>79377717
>>79377751
>>79377798
>>79377620
Scurvy is mainly vitamin C deficiency I believe. The thing is that meat doesn't contain vitamin C as far as I know. Lemons and oranges do.
What about the thousands of vegan children and adults who've been vegan their whole life who are healthy and have no developmental issues?
You have to understand that veganism attracts some squirrelly people. These people fed their children with crap and didn't have a basic understanding of macro and micro nutrients.'
/pol/ loves to talk about hormones in water, dairy, meat, plastic etc and act surprised when people not raised on those products develop normally.
I'm not defending the horrible and ignorant people that caused that starved their children to death but there is a way to do it properly.
>>79375739
Yup, I knew a lady who's killed four dogs that way.
Doesn't matter. Facts don't matter, just her emotions.
>>79378169
>but there is a way to do it properly.
Yes, not at all.
Empathy towards non-humans is a disease.
War is the cure.
>>79378169
Let's not lump vegetarians with vegans, & more importantly, let's not overlook the poor bio-availability of some nutrients and protein of a plant-based diet.
>>79378169
>>79378384
Case in point.
>>79376815
>>http://www.statisticbrain.com/vegetarian-statistics/ is what I used, which says there is 1 million vegans in the US. It's the same company they used a polling system.
Who is more likely to take a poll on dietary habits, a normal person or a vegan?
I've been vegan for nearly 10 years and I've never met another vegan, besides teenagers who tried it for a week, and 1 cashier.
I've never even seen another person looking in the vegan section at the grocery store. I even live in hipster areas. Does a person who is temporarily vegan to lose weight really qualify?
There's many reasons to doubt those numbers.
No way in hell are 1/200 people honestly strict vegetarians.
>>79378384
This.
Be extremely careful with B vitamins deficiency and proteins.
>>79378384
The protein argument is a total farce. Everything has protein, it is the last thing you need to worry about.
Calcium, b12, and omega 3s are what you're looking for.
>>79378433
Vegetarian is pretty easy.
Vegan is the hard and unhealthy part.
>>79377339
Exactly.
Vegan diet is one of the most expensive diets out there, and requires constant self-monitoring and years, years of research to actually know what you're doing.
If you just "decide" to go vegan and you think that means just avoiding animal products, you will wreck your health slowly.
At least with these "vegan" children, they are young, so once they get on a much more nutritious diet, with the right vitamin and mineral supplements, and a little exercise and time outside, they should be able to recover.
If the child is too far gone to recover, that should be huge red flag that the parents are mentally ill.
Because the symptoms of malnutrition are easy to recognize, and the parents who can't recognize their child is not growing, not emotionally balanced, not alert, and losing strength, mobility, and motor function steadily over the course of months, that's plenty of time to recognize the problem.
If the child is so sick they can't recover, it means the parents hid the problem and covered it up instead of addressing it.
>>79378704
Not all proteins are the same.
Some proteins are more equal than others.
#GastheVegansProteinwarnow
>>79378807
There isn't much you can do to fix brain damage.
>>79377869
Doing God's work, here sir.
>>79378758
>Vegan is the hard and unhealthy part.
Yeah, even hardcore Mahayana Buddhists let their kids eat meat.
>>79378758
>unhealthy
Statistically it's not. You can cherry pick these scary stories all you like, but omnivores are vitamin deficient as well. It's not a vegan problem.
Vegan Diets Deficient in Three Nutrients?
Well, Meateaters are Deficient in Seven!
>http://web.archive.org/web/20041017010055/http://www.veganmd.org/september2003.html
Yes I know the URL has the word, "vegan" but it is well sourced information.
REFERENCES
[1] Results from the German Vegan Study. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition 57(August 2003):947.
[2] USDA. Food and Nutrient Intakes by Individuals in the United States, by Region, 1994-96.
[3] World Health Organization Technical Report Series 916. Diet, Nutrition and the Prevention of Chronic Diseases. 2003.
[4] Centers for Disease Control.
[5] Then you can finally answer their question and proudly say B12 fortified foods or B12 supplements :) Of course the fact that we're seriously deficient in B12 should not be taken lightly. Evidence suggests that our low B12 intakes make be shaving literally years off of the lives of vegetarians and vegans, so make sure you get your B12!--I recommend "Vitamin B12: Are You Getting It?"
[6] Tufts University Health and Nutrition Letter. August 2003. 21(6):2
[7] Journal of The American College of Nutrition 22(August 2003):296.
[8] Green Tea and the Risk of Breast Cancer in Asian Americans. International Journal of Cancer 106(August 2003):574.
[9] Journal of the National Cancer Institute 95(2003):1079.
[10] Public Health Nutrition 5(2002):29 and American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 70(1999):516s.
[11] Journal of the American Medical Association 282(1999):1283.
>>79375160
Vegans are terribly annoying.
I deal with them every day, it makes me want to commit sudoku, and I would if it didn't pay well.
They substitute their lifestyle for religion, are perpetually grievanced and never happy, and ignore a hundred other things they do every day that are destructive in order to spend their time preaching their gospel to anyone dumb enough to listen.
Faggots and cunts, every last one of them.
Brb taking multi
No vegan, but fucking hell
>>79378807
What's so expensive about rice and beans? Bananas? Cereal and milk? I eat normal food and it's cheaper than average. Admittedly I am a minimalist but there's nothing necessarily expensive about a vegan diet. Expensive fake meats aren't even healthy.
>>79378822
Yes that's the myth I hear everyday. Go on nutritionaldata.self.com and look at the protein contents of random foods. You'll find that incomplete proteins are a myth. They're so rare I can never remember which foods have incomplete animo acid profiles.
>>79379331
>You can cherry pick these scary stories all you like.
Thats not even me, thats a different german. Look at the ID's.
If there are any pure "meateaters" then they are just as stupid as vegans.
Balance is the way to go. And if omnivores lack vitamins then thats because of their shitty diet, not because they are omnivores.
>>79379670
Its "expensive" because the majority of vegans are stupid hipsters who buy expensive as hell "bio" food.
>>79375160
know an Indian student from University
one of those religions that doesn't eat any meat, not sure about sacred-cow milk.
>Guess you can have a vegan Babay' as long as parent are Libtards
>>79378704
>>79378822
It's not a myth and I don't know why you keep denying the problem. Just look at this draft.
>Recently, protein quality has emerged as an important health issue, especially in low income countries where plants form the main source of protein in the diet. Protein quality is likely to have an impact on the WHO Global Nutrition Target 2025 of reducing the prevalence of stunting (low height-for-age) in children under 5 years by 40%.
>This CRP aims to develop and validate novel, minimally invasive techniques to assess protein digestibility and utilization from plant based diets, as they are consumed by vulnerable populations, in regions habitually relying on plant based diets.
http://cra.iaea.org/crp/project/ProjectDetail?projectId=2048&lastActionName=OpenedCRPList
Why do you think the Dutch are one of the tallest people in the world?
>>79379331
That has entirely to do with mineral depletion of the soil.
The soil is nutritionally dead and kept "alive" artificially by petrochemical fertilizers that end up stripping the soil even further.
And that's where all your commercial fruits and vegetables are grown, in a petrochemical growth medium derived from what was once dirt.
This mass corporate farming system you see currently feeding about 4 billion people is just a few short decades from complete collapse.
>>79375160
>2 year old does crossfit for the 1st time with babby weight
>goes to snap city
had it coming 2bh pham
>>79379670
>What's so expensive about rice and beans? Bananas? Cereal and milk?
Milk isn't vegan.
As for the rest, it's not expensive to eat a vegan diet. You misunderstood me.
I said it's expensive to do it CORRECTLY, i.e. actually getting enough nutrients across the board to keep yourself at optimum nutritional levels.
Obviously you can eat nothing but beans and squash and survive on that for decades, but it's not a "healthy" diet.
>>79377014
>Dr. Faisal Ahmed, a pediatrician
Pescatarianism is the true master race, just like noble Japanese before imperialist US contact.
>>79380250
I see, so sustainable farming is slash and burn a new field every few years
>>79380427
why do so many people claim to be experts?
bio chemistry is very complex, being able to put food into our mouths, does not make you an expert.
amateur vegan nutritionists
>>79379174
Based Australian gov.
>>79379840
>And if omnivores lack vitamins then thats because of their shitty diet, not because they are omnivores.
But when vegans lack nutrients it's because they're vegan. Ok.
>>79380229
I look at the amino acid profile of the foods I eat. I'm getting my information directly from the source. I gave you the website and everything, try it out.
>>79380427
>Milk isn't vegan.
Are you serious? Of course I meant nut milks.
Every food I listed there is a packed with a wide variety of nutrients.
Hilarious that someone who thinks beans can't keep you at optimum levels of nutrition. Beans are top tier health foods.
I don't even know why I bother. Clearly nobody is interested in understanding nutrition, you just want to justify your habits.
I'm not even judgemental toward omnivores but it's frustrating that we can't have a productive discussion about diet without propaganda and myths spoiling it.
>>79382093
yea boii
>>79375963
It's not about the parents being vegan you fucking leaf, it's about the baby being RAISED vegan.
>>79382207
>belgium
>Exercise a high degree of caution
;_; just nuke us already famiglia
>>79382379
Would you like to know the best part?
This is from before the terrorist attacks in France and Belgium
>>79375160
Wasn't that literally an episode of House?
>>79382102
>But when vegans lack nutrients it's because they're vegan. Ok.
No, it's because veganism is the absence of a balanced diet. You cannot get certain nutrients from a vegan diet alone, as opposed to a balanced omnivorous diet. You need supplements and drugs as a vegan, and even those have a poor absorption ratio - from 1000mcg of B12, only 1% makes it into your body. B12 shots are the most effective and a must for vegans.
>>79375160
>you shouldnt force religion onto your child they should make that choice not you!
>forces child to be on a vegan diet
>>79382605
Vegans counter this argument with "my parents forced me to eat meat."
I pity kids such as this one so much, being denied normal development and growing to their full potential. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8i74I6LTNo
>>79376968
>juice cleanse
>800 calories
>vegan
it's like the title didn't bother to read the article
>>79379331
Could you please acquire sources from at least the last ten years, thanks. Unless the rest of your "people" have died out.
>>79379982
>wallpaper made from hooves and skin
is this a fluffy abuse image?
>>79382728
She's was an anorexic shithead using veganism to mask her eating disorder, like the majority of vegans girls. I only posted her because she's now thicc and hot af.
>>79375160
Fucking statist bootlickers in this thread want to take away parent's rights to malnourish their children
>>79382764
Unfortunately it is not.
Fun fact: In the US its technically not legal to feed cow scraps to other cows but feeder operations do it anyway (The regulators are well bribed so they don't give a shit)
>>79375160
It doesn't get worse than this twisted logic :
>60 billion animals are murdered every year.
>6 million animals were murdered during the Holocaust.
https://youtu.be/JbhgX6FyiU8
These vegans, particularly in New York, are encouraged by cult-thinking in New York that affirms this kind of spectacle. They think that, because they are being "authentic" in their lives, that they can force this shit on us. This is cult thinking. Look at the damage, injury that these people are inflicting on others.
>>79382534
See>>79380229
Omnivores are deficient in more nutrients than vegans, statistically.
The only nutrient not found in a vegan diet is b12. That is added to nut milks, cereals, and various other products.
I would like a source on your claim that I'm only absorbing 1% of the b12 in my cereal. I should be in a hospital by now if that was true.
A vegan should also replace fish with hemp seeds or a sea plant. It's really not so hard, most people never eat fish so it's not like vegans are the only ones lacking omega 3s.
>>79382466
RIP
No wonder i got touched at the airport in Dubai and Perth by customs
>>79376968
Looks hot as fuck, when thin.
>All vegans are deficient in B-vitamins
>"That's okay I'll just take supplements."
>The supplements are made from animals
>>79383319
Cute whore. Is there porn of her?
>>79383143
so why do children who are forced to have a vegan diet by their parents have such fucked up bone and teeth issues? They didn't take their b12 supplements?
>>79383143
You're literally a retard who cannot read.
Refer to this to know why your B12 stores haven't been depleted yet: >>79379040
And the source for 1:1000 B12 absorption ratio was slapped across your face right here: >>79382534 >http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vitamins/vitamin-B12#deficiency-causes
Also, look it up.
>the oldest known bow was 10,000 years old and made using hoof glue.
>me face when berry picker can only survive thanks to alpha carnist meat-chad letting him
>me face when berry picker think they friend of animal but live in society created by alpha carnist meat-chad
go live in forest berry picker no meat see how you last
>>79383143
B12 added to vegan nut milks, cereals etc comes from animals. So stop taking B12 supplements, you're not a real vegan.
>>79383515
Yes. Humans NEED meat.
>>79383143
>Omnivores are deficient in more nutrients than vegans, statistically.
It is an adaptation that allows greater chances of survivability in a multitude of environments. Creatures that can vary their diet will have much higher chances of survival than a creature who can only eat one type of food... only to find their food sources depleted/sparse/non-existent.
Overall, omnivores are less efficient at everything in regards to digestion, but since there is a wider variety of food available, they can simply switch up sources and consume more of what is around. It is sort of like a "jack of all trades" deal, omnivores are good at everything, great at nothing (insofar as digestion efficiency goes).
>>79383319
They're made in transgenic bacteria aren't they?
>>79383585
I'm a meat chad. I have girls always flirting with me all the time in public, randomly, of all ages.I eat half a kilogram of meat every day. Walk at 6'3 tall, and have huge cock bulge, and massive muscles and strength.
>>79382744
So what you're saying is those 11 sources are too old?
This is what I was getting earlier. You're just looking to "debunk" veganism. In any other scenario that would have been adequate information.
I haven't even suggested than vegan ism is healthier, I think omnivores and vegans are very similar. They're just deficient in different nutrients, as I linked above.
>>79383651
>Source: my magical yapping anus.
>>79376751
>scurvy
>SCURVY
It's...it's 2016, honestly, nobody even gets that anymore.
>>79375160
Sorry mate but you don’t seem to understand what b12 is. It’s not produced by plants and not produced by animals. It’s produced by bacteria. We are not receiving b12 because we treat our water supply. Cows do need b12 as well (look this up) maybe they should a "balanced diet" which includes meat? You sir are a fucking retard.
we treat our water supply. Cows do need b12 aswell (look this up) maybe they should a "balanced diet" which includes meat? you sir are a fucking retard.
>Its a "Canadian being an absolute faggot" episode
How do they do it lads?
So consistently be the worst posters.
>>79375739
u fuckin wot m8?
some people really are beyond help
>>79376885
>diet of soy milk and apple juice
I shouldn't be laughing but damn that's retarded
>>79383872
People living further north have a higher chance of developing mental illnesses.
That sure explains Canada, Sweden and the goddamn Finns.
ITT: Vegans invoking pseudo-science to justify their diet.
Can't wait until "muh animals." emotional bullshit.
>>79383825
That's the same intravenous injection vegans take because they are only fed plants. Btw, cattle grazing on grass don't have B12 deficiency, besides there are only so many other sources of B12 - fish, poultry, sea food, dairy...
>>79376885
>crown Shakur
>>79383751
>>Source: my magical yapping anus.
>nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/omnivore/
>Compared to herbivores and carnivores, omnivores often have a greater chance of surviving difficult conditions. They can adjust their diets. If all the salmon or other animals disappear from a river ecosystem, a big cat living in that habitat could not survive. Cats are carnivores that cannot digest or obtain nutrients from plant material. However, a grizzly bear could still survive eating berries, fruit, roots, and insects.
>Because they have an easier time finding food, omnivores are sometimes better at adapting to new environments than creatures with more specific feeding habits. Omnivores can better adapt to development than herbivores or carnivores.
>http://vetsci.co.uk/2010/05/14/comparative-digestion/
>The process of digestion is extremely similar to carnivores, except a few minor adaptations which allow them to digested plant matter – although not as efficiently as herbivores.
>http://www.livescience.com/53483-omnivores.html
>Omnivores, for the most part, are somewhere in the middle. They have a limited ability to digest certain plant materials. Instead of trying to process the harder materials, though, the omnivore’s digestive tract sends the material out as waste.
>>Source: my magical yapping anus.
Source: Fucking science.
Read a book, you lazy fuck. Shit, I found all this with a 4 minute Google search.
Vegans that keeps to themselves are fine. It's the ones that tries to force it on others that needs to go into the trash.
>>79375160
>>79383825
Bacteria is a living creature. You can't eat that either vegan bitch.
>>79384051
No, no, you implied that vegans are better at "jack of all trade" omnivores with your previous post. If omnivores have a hard time to digest certain plant materials, imagine vegans. Yes, they cannot fucking digest most of the food they eat! They need supplementation, aka drugs. But that flies right over a vegan's head. But nice try at attempting to demonize the most effective, master race diet known to mankind, tested & tried through millennia - a balanced omnivorous diet.
>>79380577
>>Dr. Faisal Ahmed, a pediatrician
Hours later and I'm the only one who noticed it?
>>79384339
better than*
>>79383825
I guess bacteria must really hate vegans then considering they suffer from b12 deficiencies disproportionally moreso than people with a balanced diet.
>>79376968
Holy fuck she looks hot as fuck now.
>dem love givin' thighs
11/10 would impregante and raise happy meat eating family with.
>>79383515
Got any statistics to support this claim? Shit happens. I don't see an epidemic or toothless vegan kids.
>>79383540
You posted a screenshot, which is why I asked for a source. Calm down, would ya?
From your source
>Intestinal malabsorption, rather than inadequate dietary intake, can explain most cases of vitamin B12 deficiency
>the vitamin B12 dose is absorbed passively (2).
>The prevalent causes of vitamin B12 deficiency are (1) an autoimmune condition known as pernicious anemia,
>and (2) a disorder called food-bound vitamin B12 malabsorption.
>Both conditions have been associated with a chronic inflammatory disease of the stomach known as atrophic gastritis.
Are you suggesting vegan diets cause these conditions which prevent absorption? It's late but I don't think that article supports your point.
>>79379331
>>79382102
>>79383143
>Vegan attempts logic but fails horribly
loving
every
laugh
>>79375160
>Wew lads, we aren't goats
Stupid vegans
>>79383998
They don't even live that far up.
Latvia is on the same latitude as Northern Quebec and most Canucks live like 100km from the USA border.
Has to be something else.
>>79384339
>No, no, you implied that vegans are better at "jack of all trade" omnivores with your previous post.
No, I said OMNIVORES are "jack of all trades."
Can you fucking READ?
>Overall, omnivores are less efficient at everything in regards to digestion, but since there is a wider variety of food available, they can simply switch up sources and consume more of what is around.
What are less efficient? Which can switch up the food source? Which can just consume more? I dunno, let us look above.... oh look... OMNIVORES! If I didn't actually type out "omnivores," some retard might think that I had typed in "vegan" there instead! Funny how that works!
>It is sort of like a "jack of all trades" deal..
This is where I said "vegans," you are right. I guess I should just apologize.... wait... what's that?
>omnivores are good at everything, great at nothing (insofar as digestion efficiency goes).
Wait, what are good at everything? Vegans? I dunno, can't be sure if I can trust my eyes... but it looks like I said...... OMNIVORES, not vegans.
You are a shit, which is what you would expect from a Germie.
Away with you.
>>79384017
>besides there are only so many other sources of B12 - fish, poultry, sea food, dairy...
And nut milk, cereal, meat replacements (tofu, tempeh)
It's not a big deal mang
>>79375160
BRACE BRACE
http://time.com/4344556/mount-everest-death-climbing-vegan/
What's the proper way to cook oats, /pol/?
>>79384668
Not a celebratory moment for their mentally deficient movement.
>>79376828
>radical Christian parents' faith-based vegan diet
It's faith-based alright but veganism has nothing to do with christianity. The bible literally tells you god gave you animals to eat and how to eat meat. The faith is liberalism.
>>79384668
>can't found a pile of grass in the Everest
You know something's gone horribly wrong when even the vegetarians hate vegans.
>mfw it's literally only become possible to survive on a strict vegan diet in the past century thanks to supplements and fortifications
Vegans will deny this, but humans are omnivores that cannot naturally survive without animal products, the very least of which being dairy.
Hell, even vegetarianism is a luxury few, if any, could afford most of the time due to crop availability. At least meat would fill the nutritional gaps.
>>79384612
No buddy, you're twisting it:
>>79383651
>Overall, omnivores are less efficient at everything in regards to digestion
Then you went on and posted a scientific source:
>Omnivores, for the most part, are somewhere in the middle. They have a limited ability to digest certain plant materials.
Our inability to digest certain plant-based foods has nothing to do with being omnivorous or vegetarian or vegan, but with being a human. We cannot digest plants well like a ruminant or break cellulose like a gorilla. There's no such thing as "vegan gene." Some people might be more predisposed to digesting certain types of foods more efficiently than others, but that accounts of any type of diet.
YOU cannot fucking read.
>>79383998
you guys are on when the early morning crowd in eastern Canada is online.
And or the drunk West coasters still awake at 3:30 am. There are also a lot of drones here.
>>79385217
I don't deny that.
It's wonderful that science has advanced to the point that I don't have to butcher an animal to survive.
Synthesized vitamins, algae farms, someday we'll even grow meat in labs. Then you people won't have to attack those horrible vegans that make you feel guilty for your lack of self control.
>>79375963
A fucking leaf can't even comprehend what he reads
>>79385263
>Our inability to digest certain plant-based foods has nothing to do with being omnivorous or vegetarian or vegan, but with being a human.
Are you talking about that stuff we call dietary fiber?
Now I get the hostility. You're constipated.
>>79384643
Those are not natural sources of B12 - those are fortified foods with B12, which by the way in no way can replace prescription dietary pills and IV B12.
>>79384017
>>Btw, cattle grazing on grass don't have B12 deficiency
Correct meaning if I go outside and drink untreated water form a stream I will not have B12 deficiency.
B12 deficiency is only occurring because of artificial ways we protect ourselves from diseases.
We are very adaptive species many cultures have been eating almost no animal food turn out fine the same with some cultures eating meat dominated diet. Actually humans will thrive on almost anything you throw at them how ever those of us who are interested in long lifespan are going to consume plant based diets.
>>79385636
No, numbnuts, plant-based protein, non-heme iron and others.
>>79385509
>Implying I feel guilt about eating meat
>>79385518
My point was that terrible parents come in many forms. Most malnourished kids have omnivorous parents.
My nephew was severely malnourished with intestinal issues. Nobody ever though, "damn meat eaters and their distaste for salads"
He just had retarded parents.
>>79385717
Appeal to Nature fallacy? My body doesn't care if my b12 was made by a cow or a chemist.
>>79385810
>many cultures have been eating almost no animal food
I'm all for consuming less animal products, but I will never understand why vegans use this argument knowing that NO CULTURE in the world has ever been 100% vegan. Humans need foods from animals sources, as well as plant sources.
>>79375160
Vegans are a dietary choice of peace
Only radical vegans would cause this to their children
>>79386062
>Appeal to Nature fallacy? My body doesn't care if my b12 was made by a cow or a chemist.
No, appealing to biologically active B12 from animal sources, which simply better absorbed than any of the drugs you take. 4oz of salmon provides 3.6mcg of B12, comfortably above the daily value. Beef liver is the indisputable best source of B12 and heme-iron.
>>79383742
No, actually, more recent studies would be entirely welcome here. It's one thing if some of the sources are more than a decade old, but you have shit that's 20 years old, and nothing within the last 13 years. Also an unarchived, currently in publication article from an unbiased site would be welcome, but I'm not going to ask for a miracle.
>>79385810
Cattle do not have a B12 deficiency due to bacteria in their digestive tracts producing it for them. No animal (or plant or fungus for that matter) can synthesise B12, it is solely derived from bacteria. And human GI tracts lack these bacteria.
Only the dirtiest stream water will contain nutritionally significant quantities of B12 due to fish shit, and by that point you will have to worry about diseases more than nutrition.
The reason some cultures may seem to subsist with little animal products in their diet is because the human liver is capable of storing B12 for up to 2 years, meaning it does not run out easily. But make no mistake, they are still not 100% vegan cultures.
>>79385868
Amino acids are the same whether it's from a muscle or a bean. All you need is enough of them.
>non-heme iron
Cant recall what that's about. I'll look it up though. Somehow I'm not worried.
I always research the claims made in these threads. Turns out alright so far.
>others
Please go on. You could save my life.
>>79385956
Wouldn't you cause less suffering and death if it was easy to do? I think everyone would.
You'd have to be some fucking special sort of retarded to be an unhealthy vegan
>>79378704
Rock on, my Canadian Vegan Fap Bro
Rock on
>>79386426
I live in an area where feral animals are ravaging the native environment, so must be routinely culled. So why not eat them instead of letting them go to waste?
Also, circle of life, hakuna matata and all that bullshit.
>>79386296
>biologically active B12
That's a new one. I'm not even sure what that means. Sounds kinda made up to be honest.
Are you eating uncooked meat or something?
I don't eat any drugs. We are talking about molecules. They synthesize molecules in a lab that mimic naturally occurring vitamins. Pretty cool stuff.
You eat them all the time in your bread, milk, cereal, whatever.
>>79386426
Personally, i don't give a fuck because cows are supposed to be killed in humane ways.
>>79386778
Biologically active vitamin B12 compounds in foods for preventing deficiency among vegetarians and elderly subjects.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23782218
Also worthy reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#Non-animal_sources
>>79386778
I think he's referring to more bioavailable sources of B12.
Keep in mind most vitamins and minerals don't exist in "pure" form in food sources, they're usually bound to other molecules which may aid in, or inhibit, absorption.
My favourite example is iron, iron in meat has a high bioavailability as it is usually bound to haem molecules which are readily broken down and taken up in the small intestine. Meanwhile iron in spinach is bound to oxalate, which cannot be processed as easily.
Plus, oxalate is actually incredibly good at chelating metals, and excess oxalate in the diet can actually remove calcium from the body.
Spinach is fucking good though, if it works for Popeye it works for me.
>>79383667
Bacteria are still considered animals.
>>79386678
I read the other day that free range cows can help turn deserts into good land. Best reason to raise livestock I've heard of.
I hope they do that to Australia, imagine the possibilities.
I haven't thought about it much but it seems like a fair trade. Cows get to live good lives, while spreading life.
>>79386927
Mexico could benefit from that too. We'll see if it's viable
>>79387277
What the fuck, since when? A carrot is more closely related to animals than bacteria.
>>79375160
Veganism in italy is insane, it's practiced by 40 y/o retards or by millennials trying to look hip. They have even invaded fucking kikebook and share their god awful recipes to make surrogate food like breast milk ricotta , surrogate porridge chicken or fucking turnip pudding sandwiches to make it look like salami. They openly raid and report in mass pages about anything related to meat. They even show up to various meat-related festivals to disrupt the stands or to advocate about their mental illness. Send help
>>79386409
>>79387174
Ty for explaining this better than me.
>>79387320
Funny that you said that, but Mexico is not just a big ass desert, the north states are the only ones with that kind of terrain, everything else is basically quite the opposite of that.
But yeah, we could use that if we are not already doing it of course.
>>79386409
>>And human GI tracts lack these bacteria.
False. we do have these bacteria but absorption from this tract is extremely low.
Similarly with cows however they do shit literally were they eat hence they don’t have B12 deficiency
Similiarly with cows however they do shit litteraly were they eat hence they dont have B12 deficiency
But I agree with everything else you said
>>79387369
>breast milk ricotta
Should have gave that to the fuckin baby in the OP
>>79387174
>My favourite example is iron
Oh yes now I remember the heme-iron thing. iirc vegans are supposed to eat more than 100% of iron, maybe some other minerals, because of this. Luckily beans are full of these minerals so it's not difficult, if you like beans.
>>79387527
The 40 y/o retards fucking rant about how eggs are filled with chicken period. Brag about how milk from cows kills the baby for some fucking reasons. Others fill their bodies with so much shit they have to eother regurgitate or take a long shit, then they post the outcome online and talk about how what came out was some kind of toxic or parasite. Others drink the piss because they think it's some kind of juice. They even talk about it openly and frequently do parades to spread this mental illness
>>79387470
No worries m80
>>79387508
Yes, good point actually. I have read that they can at least theoretically survive in human guts.
>>79387320
Aye, but raising cattle won't get rid of the rabbits which are causing the erosion. Also so for some reason Australia has a lot of feral deer, which I'm not complaining about.
>>79383825
Also wanted to support this post here with what I have read, i.e. that B12 issue in the vegan debate is a red herring - WE ARE ALL DEFICIENT and it's got nothing to do with whether you're vegan or not. The main source used to be from water. B12 is indeed produced in cows' guts but it's nowhere near enough.
>>79384316
I guess this point went straight over your head? Pure bone from the nose up, isn't it!
>>79377889
Most animals can synthesize vitamin C. However the Great Apes, meaning our non human ancestors, loss this ability due to a genetic mutation. Because these specific primates lived in a tropical rain forest with year-round fruit availability, they managed to thrive despite the genetic their defect. Take note retards, this is how evolution works. There is no plan, just random spray and pray with natural law determining what survives.
Humans suffer this defect as well, however it is only noticed during times of food stress, like the middle ages or for sailors at sea for months at a a time. This is actually where the term "limey" comes from for Britons. British sailors were allotted rations of limes to stave of scurvy, though it as not till much later that the exact cause was identified. Chinese sailors during the Ming era used soybean sprouts. Of course, soy doesn't grow in Europe so whitey was fresh out of luck.
Incidentally, potatoes supply vitamin C almost as well as citrus fruits. However, no old-world staple grain has more than trace amounts of vitamin C.
Got raised vegan, was fat as fuck, now vegetarian because cheese is life, kinda /fit/.
It's clearly a problem from the parents, they must be some fucking retarded hippies.
>>79388615
There is literally no evidence to support anything you just said.
>>79380577
What are you complaining about? His prophet, Muhammed, was also an avid pediatrician.
>>79377014
Dr. Ahmed why are protecting them
>>79377065
Top kek.
>>79377165
>makes sense
>sense
Jesus Christ, you guys are hopeless.
>>79377717
at least these retards aren't breeding
>>79387277
Uh, no. Bacteria belong to a completely different domain.
>>79388615
Pic related. This is not dihydrogen monoxide, it's cyanocobalamin (the most potent neurologically active form of B12), it is not water! It is true that bacteria commonly found in the human colon produce neurologically active B12. However, it is poorly absorbed as the intrinsic factor necessary for absorption at the end of the small intestine is not present. Also, it's on it way out and far past the jejunum anyway. So yes, untreated water into which various animal wastes including untreated human sewage have been dumped may very well contain B12, however it will also contain life forms such as certain dangerous strains of Escherichia coli, also known as just E. Coli. Perhaps you've heard of it?
>>79375160
>Make that thread on /fit/
>get ignored
>make it on /pol/
>170 people have taken the bait
staggering IQ difference
>>79377717
>>79377751
>>79377798
ruining your child's life because of your believes. good shit. cut them while you're at it
>>79389248
>Veganism on the rise literally fucking everywhere.
>Title of article is literally about how vegans are breeding.
>Carnie cucks dying out at alarming rate due to diet related disease/illness.
Top kek carnie cucks.
>>79389318
People on /fit/ are just tired of all the vegan cancer threads. There isn't a day that goes by without a "go vegan" thread being posted. If you're a /fit/zen, you know VG and how he notoriously plasters the board with his vegan shit, to the point of having his name and youtube channel now being classified as spam.
>>79389318
Because if you're on /fit/ you're vegan to begin with, it's implied in the name.
Vegan here. Incredibly anal about nutrition, and super paranoid. Get bloodwork done every 4 months, checking for protein, iron, calcium, B12 (I supplement, obviously) and muh omegas. Healthy af :) I'd never raise my children or pets vegan though. I'd like to, but it's just way too much responsibility. I'll probably never have either so not too bothered.
>>79382093
Oh noes government! The patriarchal man-ocracy strikes again with it's elitist rules and regulations! Stop telling me how to live my life damn it!
>>79389935
My girlfriend is also a vegan and gets bloodwork done every month. She needed B12 and iron infusions for a while until she had episode of anaphlyxis - deadly reaction to IV iron. So many trips to the doctor and dietary pills. What you and my girlfriend call "healthy" I call being chronically ill.
>>79389665
>Vegan thinks any reproduction is success
>fails to account for unfitness of their spawns
>fails to comprehend survival
Top, fucking, LEL!2!!1!
>>79390256
>She needed B12 and iron infusions for a while until she had episode of anaphlyxis - deadly reaction to IV iron.
Of course she did, I mean, why would anyone make that up?
>mfw vegan 20+ years and never once known of, met or heard of anyone with a genuine B12 deficiency
Top kek carnie cuck, top kek.
I still don't get your attachment to heme iron
>>muh absorption
however you will more deseases because of it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23708150
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23306319
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23681825
>>79390256
But I've been vegan for 3 years now and haven't had a single health issue related to it. I'm not your girlfriend bud, but nice try. Besides, iron in women is a very different issue.
>>79390414
stop trying to make us look bad with your reactions gifs and your "cucks cucks cucks" godammit
>>79390256
tell her to use spinach as tampons
This thread is making me want a steak.
>>79390482
My gf has been a vegan for just over a decade. It takes its toll on you in the long run, in her case, being a vegan is a little more difficult because women need twice as much iron as men due to menstruation.
>>79375739
I feed my 3 dogs a balanced diet that is 98% plant based.
Fight me IRL.
>>79390256
So basically you're saying that vegan is unsustainable naturally and without the much needed infusions and monthly checkups she'd get sick and die.
vegankeks..
>>79390482
>But I've been vegan for 3 years now
>>79390648
In my experience, +50% of female vegans I've ever met just latch onto veganism because they have other, unrelated EDs. It's a shame for everyone, really. Besides, needing twice as much iron on a vegan diet makes things ridiculously more difficult, not just "a little more". Hope she's more careful about her health.
>>79390772
Lel
>>79390721
>she'd get sick and die
Well, she is sick - she has deficiencies and has to treat them due to choosing a vegan diet, like any other vegan. She constantly has trouble with menstrual cycle as well.
>>79390987
>like any other vegan
Are you genuinely not able to entertain the notion that a vegan diet can work for anyone ever? Most vegans have a much more nutritionally complete diet than say, normie Americans, solely because, unless you're retarded and self-destructive, you'll start worrying about the nutrients in what you eat, unlike 99% of the population.
>>79375739
are you fucking serious?
there is no way that somebody is feeding a dog broccoli and salad.
>>79390949
We came to the same conclusion as well, mostly due to her working at a vegan café.
>>79391105
A vegan diet alone is not nutritionally complete, either stop lying to yourself or reaserch more to find out why it isn't. Also, it doesn't work because it's a highly experimental diet and you are dependent on supplements, which is neither "natural" or "healthy." Not appealing to "nature fallacy," just pointing out that going vegan has serious drawbacks.
>>79390987
>>79391424
>This is what carnie cucks actually believe.
Dude stop, please, my sides can't take any more.
>>79391424
>A vegan diet alone is not nutritionally complete, either stop lying to yourself or reaserch more to find out why it isn't.
Point me to the post where I claim a vegan diet is natural (you can't, because it's obviously not). I supplement B12 because I'm well aware I'm not getting it from my food. Supplements are not inherently unhealthy. And yes, you are appealing to a nature fallacy. Claiming you're not doesn't mean it's true. Besides, SO many foods are fortified. Flours, milk, cereal... Do you literally avoid every single fortified food because you think unnatural = unhealthy? Omnivores supplement liek crazy, and yet it's only an issue when vegans do it for some.
>>79377054
Funny thing is the supplements are made from animals lol
>>79391828
>I supplement B12 because I'm well aware I'm not getting it from my food.
>mfw 50% DV of B12 in 1 cup of soy milk
Literally everyone here is retarded, I feel like someone looking at an ant farm right now.
>>79391932
Lol funny thing is they aren't.
A vegan diet is healthier if you know what you're doing, you can check Dr. Morse (he's a renowned naturopathic doctor for 40 years) youtube channel how to eat healthy.
B12 is coming from bacteria and intestinal flora, you just gotta eat probotics foods, or take probiotics supplements, don't listen to jewish corporate propaganda about dead animal body only having B12, the only reason meat have B12, is because they're supplementing the animals with B12. Animals in natural habitats take B12 with bacteria, like humans should.
>>79391961
Well, considering I don't drink B12-fortified soy milk and you can't OD on B12 since it's water soluble anyway so you'll just piss out the excess, assuming I got extra (which I don't), I suggest you stop being an euphoric faggot. You're wrong, basically.
>>79375739
>>79390772
Vegans who went vegan like 3 years ago, but only ditched red meat completely 2 years in, but are still working on dropping cheese at present. Any health benefits from their previous omnivorous diets is ruled out because suddenly they are vegans. Lots of lies because they NEED to believe their diet is effective.
Jon Venus is a prime example of a hipster that went vegan just over one year ago and now pins veganism to his bodybuilding success, as if making all his gains during his meat eating days had absolutely nothing to do with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLrhvHFoSY4
>>79391961
You should shake it up.
>>79392135
Don't respond to that person. Reaction .gif posters don't deserve your (((YOU)))s
Niggers, there are three main fuels to make blood:
-Folate
-Iron
-Vit b12
Vegans fails to get two of them. Early of later there will be some think of anemia. It is more commin to the lack of b12 manifest earlier, for it causes neurologic symptoms. It took some years to liquidate all the iro n you have on your deposits ans folates are in all green leaves.
>there is iron in other food than meat
yes, but there are <10pcent absorved out of heme
If you going to be a vegan, take some b12
>>79391828
Your very own question.
>>79391105
>Are you genuinely not able to entertain the notion that a vegan diet can work for anyone ever?
Should be:
Are you genuinely not able to entertain the notion that a vegan diet AND supplements + drugs can work for anyone ever?
>>79391424
Veganism is a degenerate lifestyle.
>>79377869
>>79377869
>3 years
>didnt realize her children were sick
>didint realize their teeth are disintegrating
>'I knew something was wrong, but I couldnt put my finger on it'
Did she not look at them for 3 years or something? my mother realized if I had a bruise under 2 layers of clothes, how can you pay so little attention to your children?
>>79392340
>Should be:
>Are you genuinely not able to entertain the notion that a vegan diet AND supplements + drugs can work for anyone ever?
I can't tell if you're role playing being this delusional or if it's real, what have you done to me /pol/!?
>>79392263
I guess it's ok when a Brasilian uses the N-word, heh.
>>79392247
You're just as bad, desu See: >>79392164 , considering >>79390772 was aimed at me. I dropped all meat and dairy from the very beginning. Stop fighting straw men pl9x.
>>79392340
No. You're inferring. I've explicitly stated I supplement from the very beginning. Don't assume shit to suit your views. Vegan diets without B12 supplements = bad idea. Guess who also should supplement B12? Pregnant women and people over +65. I guess that means omnivorous diets are inherently unhealthy >: ( The worst is you probably don't realise how retardedly hippie your whole "supplements are inherently bad" attitude is. I need to get going now, but please, reflect. Science is here to help us out and make our lives easier. Please stop the appeal to nature fallacies.
>>79387277
>ameriducation
>>79392674
Oh, one last thing. I didn't want to say this from the beginning because it's a bit low. But if your girlfriend story is true, I can understand your dismissal of vegan diets. I think it's easy to see how you might be incredibly biased, though. Try to think about it more objectively I guess? I'd be pissed if my hardcore-red-meat-eating girlfriend got colon cancer or something too, so it's understandable.
>>79392674
I have some patients that their parents are vegans. It is a sad life for a child to have to take suplements early.
Some vegans give their children chicken breast. It is not ideal but it is better than nothing.
better than them growing up to be liberal cucks
>>79383702
>meat chad
>>79379040
That's because of B12 deficiency.
>>79392674
Vegans like you heavily rely on such arguments, exactly expecting things like "people can thrive on a vegan diet" - which was implied by your question - to be interpreted as truth by incautious readers. It doesn't really matter whether you claimed one thing in one post, but another in another post. Just be consistent and don't lie to try make your point valid.
>>79392814
I'm being extremely objective by appealing to science and what my girlfriend's doctor said, while you're purely appealing to emotions and pseudo-science and anecdotal evidence - your 3 year vegan journey (wow).
>>79392814
>I'd be pissed if my hardcore-red-meat-eating girlfriend got colon cancer or something too, so it's understandable.
I wasn't expecting your "meat causes cancer" comment at all! :^)
> Eating Soy May Turn on Genes Linked to Cancer Growth http://www.breastcancer.org/tips/nutrition/reduce_risk/foods/soy
>>79394286
Carnie cucks, when will they learn?
>>79392961
It doesn't mater to vegans if you're a doctor. They did their own 5-minute wikepedia research on veganism and know more about health than you - in their twisted minds, of course.
>>79394706
>They did their own 5-minute wikepedia research on veganism and know more about health than you - in their twisted minds, of course.
Says the caliphate kraut who did 5 minutes of research on cletus-and-clouse-nutrition-experts.info
>>79376495
>Missing the part where it says this happened in Italy, not the US.
>>79394706
I care little about their morals but their health.
The thing is that I am a pediatrician, I can get the law to give nutrition to their child.
>>79375739
>We taught a lion to eat tofu!
>>79395454
Dogs = lions.
Carnie cuck education at work.
>>79376885
>>79377014
>>79377172
>>79377262
>>79377340
>>79377399
>>79377664
>>79377751
>>79377798
>>79377869
>>79378431
>>79379040
You should know that you are doing something wrong when your child is sicker than the one who only ate chicken nuggets for since she was 2!
>>79392455
that bloke has a good set of tits on it
>>79395528
>Carnivores =/= carnivores
That B12 deficiency is really getting to your head.
>>79396106
>tfw 9:16am EST and you already consumed more protein and B12 during breakfast than a carnie cuck will get all day
Feels good man.
>>79394286
Jesus Christ... Coming back to this.
>Just be consistent and don't lie to try make your point valid.
I have never been inconsistent. Stop implying what you want. I have explicitly stated veganism without supplements = bad idea several times.
>I'm being extremely objective by appealing to science and what my girlfriend's doctor said
As opposed to me? When have I not appealed to science? I also go to a doctor, pal. I found one who's very critical of veganism because I just didn't want fake feel-good reassurance. We have a cool thing going, where he tries to find flaws with my diet but my blood results have been great in all respects since I went vegan (I had an initial one done before I dropped animal products just so every potential problem wouldn't be blamed on my vegan diet).
> you're purely appealing to emotions and pseudo-science and anecdotal evidence
>the nigga who bases his entire argument on his totally real gf claims I'm purely appealing to emotions and anecdotal evidence
When have I appealed to emotions? Where's the pseudo-science? The stories about your girlfriend are as anecdotal as my experience lel. Probably less, because I doubt they're real, actually. I'm not claiming "veganism works for everyone" because it works for me. I think veganism is a horrible idea for many people. But if you have the time, education and resources, I think it's a perfectly healthy informed choice ;)
>>79394286
I didn't say "meat causes cancer". The link between too much red meat and certain cancers is objective, though. You're honestly horrible at debating.
Worst part is that there's actual nutritional issues with veganism. B12 is certainly not one of them. Neither is protein, even >muh complete protein and amynoacids. Omega 3s and iron (in women) is a different matter.
Also nice how you stopped defending your moronic "supplementing is bad" ideas finally.
>>79396503
>He thinks he can synthesize B12 the same way herbivores can
>He thinks animal protein is the same as plant protein.
Wew lad.
What's next you'll tell me how dementia feels great?
>>79392961
I do not have children nor do I intend to. I draw the line there. Raising your children vegan is a very tricky issue which I don't defend. S u r p r i s e but not all vegans want to impose their lifestyle on everyone and impose the IV Reich of the Tofu or some shit.
>>79394706
Can you please, please, please, please stop fighting straw men?
>>79397089
>synthesize
Stopped reading, sides almost exploded.
>>79390671
I'll be you a grand that I could make your dog like me more and leave you willingly if I fed it meat for just a little while.
>>79391961
>soy milk
>not pumped with estrogen
no wonder vegans are emotional bitches.
>>79390671
You honestly don't deserve a dog
>>79397257
Top kek carnie cuck.
>>79375160
MFW I tell vegans that they are eating plants that were probably fertilized with cow manure from the cows kept on the farms that they hate.
MFW I tell vegans they aren't real vegans if they have any pets.
I've never actually met a vegan.. I never really interact with people outside of the internet.
Is it possible that everyone here is just being brainwashed into thinking vegan is an awful diet, when in reality it's the best thing for you?
>>79397257
>there no estrogen in a female cow
are you stupid, there is more in milk than soya, and soya milk is plant estrogen, milk is animal estrogen
>>79397561
MFW you actually think this triggers anyone.
>>79397744
>Is it possible that everyone here is just being brainwashed into thinking vegan is an awful diet, when in reality it's the best thing for you?
It is literally proven being vegan is the best thing for you, /pol/ is just role playing the part of a retardedly defiant carnie cuck, I'm not even joking.
>>79392148
>Feeding a dog grapes
You NEVER feed a dog grapes! She killed that dog with stupidity. I seriously think I'm going to be sick over that.
>>79391295
fuck off bloodmouths
>>79392148
This is fake right?
Please.
If we could just fucking moderate our meat and dairy intake, I believe there is a balance here where animals can have a good life up until they are slaughtered humanely (inb4 you can't slaughter humanely) without it being a total holocaust. It would be better for everyone, the Earth and all the animals
Of course it is an industry so that isn't going to happen, sadly. I rarely eat meat, and I'm pretty jacked and feel great. Doc said I'm good any time I've had a checkup
>>79397894
it definitely triggers people. You sound like you're closet triggered atm.
>>79397770
There is more in cow milk vs soy? I'd like a source on that.
>>79376962
>>79389090
>>79377065
Is correct. Most vegan adults are malnourished, but they are able to retain a relative degree of health regardless, since being malnourished as an adult has far fewer health consequences than being malnourished as a child. Malnourishment as a child is extremely dangerous because a child's body lacks a fully developed immune system and is highly vulnerable to disease when malnourished. Furthermore malnourishment during childhood typically stunts growth and can also result in a wide array of problems, such as rickets, brittle bones, lowered intelligence etc.
Young children should never, ever, ever be fed a vegan diet.
>t. A health professional.
>>79398462
>I'd like a source on that.
Lol, what a fucking idiot.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/
>he most important hormones found in milk and other dairy products by using a variety of analytical methods consist of prolactin, steroids including estrogens, progesterone, corticoids, and androgens. Moreover, the existence of other hormones such as insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) (3) and local hormones including prostaglandins (PGs) (4, 5), in dairy products has been reported. It has been assumed that most of the hormones are transferred into milk by diffusion.
>>79397894
also, where the fuck has it been "proven" that it's the best thing for you?
>>79398287
This guy sort of gets it. Everything in moderation. Don't go full on vegan lunatic and cut out meat entirely.
>>79375160
Child abuse is virtue signaling now.
>>79398594
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/
LMAO known to contain high amounts of phytoestrogens including isoflavones in animal feeds, is usual, then it could create a great concern about the possible transfer of these compounds from the bovine feed to the milk and finally to human food chain.
THE ESTROGEN COMES FROM FUCKING SOY IN THE COW FOOD.
>>79398594
Phytoestrogens are capable to interact with both typical oestrogen receptors (α and β) (78), thus they may act as endocrine disruptors. Plant isoflavonoids especially in soybean products and other legumes are converted by intestinal bacteria to hormone-like compounds with estrogenic activity
>>79398594
Also, you're a fucking moron. Nowhere in there does it say there is "more estrogen in cows milk vs soy milk"
>>79398758
>THE ESTROGEN COMES FROM FUCKING SOY IN THE COW FOOD.
>Blows out his own argument, too stupid to realize it.
Carnie cucks, when will they learn?
