Okay /pol/ it's not like you've ever read or care to read Marx, Lukacs, Lenin, etc
Do you guys have anything like theory, political philosophy, critiques, polemics, etc from which I could learn why you think what you think?
>>79363784
>>79363883
moar pls
Fuck off, commie filth.
>>79363784
>Do you guys have anything like theory, political philosophy, critiques, polemics, etc from which I could learn why you think what you think?
enjoy trump twitter memes and shitposting.
>theory
>political philosophy
>critiques
>polemics
we generally despise all this pseudointellectual bullshit. never did any good.
if you really want something to read that gives you a perspective on our thought process, read evola, hitler and friedman.
>>79363784
Locke and Rousseau.
>>79363883
I actually have access to a hard copy, and thumbing through the table of contents I find this is exactly what I am looking for.
And reading the translator's note (of a Houghton-Mifflin from 1999) even for two paragraphs I get the uneasy feeling I got when I read a preface to the Communist Manifesto, a copy from the mid 1950s, written by a prof at Georgetown. The feeling is that they are just using invective to discredit and stupefy the reader. I guess I'll find out for myself. Thanks anyway /pol/. This thread can die as far as I care.
>>79363784
>/pol/ is one person
>>79365318
>/pol/ is one person
>OP wrote "you guys"
:D
>>79364865
Locke is okay (treatises on civil government hold some water), I need to read Rosseau
>>79364807
>pseudointellectual bullshit
But what if it helps you describe reality...in other words...but what if it's right?
That being said I'm okay with the hate for the 'academic left' and thanks for the info. Don't think I'd heard of Evola
>>79365528
Maybe not exactly what you are looking for, but if you haven't read Kaczynski's manifesto I highly recommend it.
>>79365651
I have and it's very good. Too bad it isn't more popular. You can take the idea of power process and critique of technology without the critique of 'socialisation'
>>79363784
>Okay /pol/ it's not like you've ever read or care to read Marx, Lukacs, Lenin, etc
I have and fuck yourself with a rake. Any communist is either a monster or an idiot. I sincerely hope you fucking die.
>>79363784
>>79366782
I'll die someday anon don't hold your breath. What'd ya read?
>>79363784
>privileged but still a failure
>blames parents for not being more strict
This is your standard 4chan anti socialists. They transpose their patents onto governments.
>>79363784
>Okay /pol/ it's not like you've ever read or care to read Marx, Lukacs, Lenin, etc
actually, I have. Das kapital is an ancient tome and not worth reading after his argument was COMPLETELY destroyed by the economic calculation argument.
But it's not like you've ever read Von Mises or Hayek.
>>79363784
>Do you guys have anything like theory, political philosophy, critiques, polemics, etc from which I could learn why you think what you think?
/pol/ doesn't "think", it reacts.
>>79367987
It's apparent you don't know what the "value theory" is.
Das Kapital was orthodox 19th Century economics. This was its greatest strength, it wasn't an economic critique; it built upon the work of Adam Smith and David Riccardo.
If you want a crash course in Classical economics, read Kapital.
Communism doesn't work.
>>79367987
I'm going to read Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth and get back to y'all, and of course browse-read Mein Kampf.
>>79368427
Marx was a Capitalist. Not a lot of people know this.
He believed in historical process; capitalism was an essential stage.
>>79368589
Fuck off communist scum.
>>79368631
It's apparent you haven't read a single word written by Marx.
Marx was a classical economist, same as Adam Smith.
>>79363784
>Okay /pol/ it's not like you've ever read or care to read Marx, Lukacs, Lenin, etc
But I used to be a commie, friend. You'll see soon.
>Do you guys have anything like theory, political philosophy, critiques, polemics, etc from which I could learn why you think what you think?
Julius Evola
>>79368723
Absolutely disgusting. You'll be swiftly deported once Emperor Farage is elected.
>>79363784
I read them and became a hardcore Communist.
Then I read Mein Kampf then I came to /pol/.
>>79368589
>Marx was a Capitalist
He acknowledged that you need capitalism before you turn to socialism. Basically someone (capitalism) has to create a system for socialism to destroy.
This doesn't make him a Capitalist
>>79368862
There won't be a UK in five years; so, I'm guessing Farage will be "emperor" of The Isle of White.
>>79363784
Yeah well I don't have to real Twilight to know it's fucking shit, too.
>>79367865
Communist Manifesto. Made me physically ill to look at it. Basically some fat fucking Jew that fucked his enslaved housekeeper and that had never held a job in his life was trying to tell the rest of the world how to live. Pure, insane and self aggrandizing drivel that only attracts idiots and psychopaths.
Seriously, it's the most disastrous line of economic thought to ever exist and is the largest cause of preventable human suffering to ever exist.
>>79363784
/pol/ is an international gathering of nationalist chauvinists. It strives to be modern version of the greek forum where the bums debated the important issues of the day.
Also gas the kikes.
>>79363784
I respect Marx's crisis theory but Lenin was a moron, aight? Everything sans acknowledging capitalism system's flaws may go in a trash can.
>>79369110
>destroy
No, he didn't think Socialism would "destroy" Capitalism, if it did we'd end up back in a state of Feudalism.
Marx believed Capitalism would transform into Socialism, and Socialism would transform into Communism. The dialectc at work in the later transition is unclear (any Marx scholars here are welcome to fill in the details).
>>79369154
Of course there will be a UK. It'll be part of Donald Trump's Anglo Empire.
>>79363784
yeah sure
>locke
>hobbes
>kant
>schopenhauer
>epictetus
>cicero
>von Clausewitz
>adam smith
>marx
>keynes
>plato
>aristotle
>machiavelli
of these, I not enjoyed reading Machiavelli, Hobbes, and Epictetus
>>79369319
He was only good at pointing out the flaws of capitalism but his answer was an absolute fucking horror show.
>>79369448
most* instead of not
fucking mobile
>>79369280
>Basically some fat fucking Jew that fucked
>never held a job in his life
Ad Homs away!
>Seriously, it's the most disastrous line of economic thought to ever exist
He explained the process of Capitalist Globalization rather pointedly.
>>79369392
>Marx believed Capitalism would transform into Socialism, and Socialism would transform into Communism.
you're repeating exactly what he said
>>79369110
I agree with this anon
>>79368589
>>79368723
This is plain silly. He built on their works but only as critique of capitalism, to understand what makes capitalism tick. He did not /support/ capitalism.
Also, in Mein Kampf, I just read in Vol 1 the part about the Social Democracy "These men rejected everything: the nation as an invention of the "capitalistic" (how often I was forced to hear this single word!) classes; the fatherland as an instrument of the bourgeoisie for the exploitation of the working class; the authority of law as a means of oppressing the proletariat; the school as an institution for breeding slaves and slaveholders; religion as a means of stultifying the people...There was absolutely nothing which was not drawn through the mud"
So your boy sounds like a spooked moralfag who doesn't like the word capitalism. Learning about it would be a hassle. Hey, kinda like /pol/! "scary words are scary better gas everyone who says them!" I have yet more to read, don't lose hope in me, comrades!
>>79369566
Socialism doesn't "destroy" capitalism, according to Marx.
Thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis.
Socialism is the logical conclusion of Capitalism; according to Marx.
>>79363784
Here is a simple philosophical critique of communism:
Communism assumes the equality of all men to be foundational and posits that class distinctions are social constructions - this is observably false.
Because communism never accounts for this, the societies which implement it will inevitably waste labor, energy and resources attempting to create an equality of outcome.
Societies which waste labor, energy and resources are inherently inferior to those that do not, such as Meritocratic ones for example.
Therefore Communism is inherently inferior, as an ideology, when compared to Meritocracy.
>>79369669
>He did not /support/ capitalism.
Yes he did, explicitly.
He thought it was a vital step on the road to Communism.
>>79369718
you damn well know that by "destroy" he means that socialism replaces capitalism much like capitalism replaced feudalism. why not move onto other parts of the discussion with him instead of getting stuck on definitions like you socialists/communists always seem to do
>>79369814
>Communism assumes the equality of all men
No, it doesn't, Marx is VERY clear on this point:
"From each according to their ability, to each according to their need".
Try actually reading some Marx.
>>79363784
/pol/ is fucking retarded and they don't believe in anything more than internet memes, they are the perfect representation of spectators in the Debordian sense.
You should of asked this question in /lit/ but if you want good rightwing political theory check out Nick Land.
You will appreciate him I believe as he has a basis in Marx and Deluze that he never abandons, of-course his historical materialism does not reach the same conclusions however.
Ride the Tiger by Evola is also essential reading and you would probably appreciate Alexander Dugin aswell if you are a Marxist-Leninist.
Also Mein Kampf is shit and anything by Austrian economists is a joke if yo have in the slightest basis in philosophy (pic related).
Anyway go to /lit/ and ask for their rightwing chart and never expect anyone on /pol/ to know shit about politics.
>>79369280
>made me ill
Dude I think there is something wrong with you.
>tell rest of the world how to live
Marx was never prescriptive, and I don't see how the Manifesto was self-aggrandizing outside of saying that the Communists are internationalists and stand for the interest of the proletariat as a whole.
>disastrous economic thought
Hey did you know, Marx only critiqued capitalism, and never elaborated what socialist society might look like?
>>79369499
>won't address human suffering or hundreds of millions tortured and killed
>won't address failure of every single communist state within 50 years
>hurrdurr ad hom
Wake up from the indoctrination and pseudo intellectualism before it's too late.
>>79369896
>like you socialists/communists always seem to do
I'm not a Socialist, nor am I a "Communist".
If you want to use the term "destroy", I'll indulge you... Marx's point was: Capitalism "destroys" itself. The logical conculsion of Capitalism is Socialism.
>>79363784
I have read the manifesto and parts of das kapital. Literally lost all of its appeal after I stopped bein a teen. Wealth of nations is 1000 times better
>>79363784
>Do you guys have anything like theory, political philosophy, critiques, polemics, etc from which I could learn why you think what you think?
Yes
Everything you think you know about politics and government is a crock of shit
Nationalism, free trade, and capitalism are the only absolute truths.
There has never been anything that has worked better and there is nothing that hasn't been tried yet.
Also you're a cuck and we don't want you
>>79369814
How does an economy grow in a closed thermodynamic system
What does it matter if a society "wastes" labor
What is the purpose of "society"
What is the purpose of anything
What will humanity be doing two minutes from now, next Thursday, two years from now, two hundred years from now, 400 million years from now, 400 trillion trillion years from now, one second before the Universe tears itself apart
These are important questions.
>>79369997
>seize means of production
>kill millions to seize means of production
>can't operate means of production
>everyone is now poorer or dead
Bravo Marx.
The Myth of the Twentieth Century by Alfred Rosenberg.
>>79369463
What were the flaws of capitalism?
>>79368862
Kek no he won't
1) Farage is a moderate birderlineing centerist
2)There is only one emperor and that is the god emperor, you best step the fuck off if you think you're anything close to us in any scope imaginable. We help you because nobody else will not because we want to
>>79370094
I suggest you leave off the "Black Book of Communism", and do some fact checking.
Honestly, Marx was brilliant if you look at his works as sociology. The only reason why socialism is still prominent even after its abject failure in practice is Marx was the first intllectual that precisely criticized the failures of the Age of Reason. Liberalism won in the Modern era, but it still died. Facism died in its youth, unlike communism that died decrepit in its soviet bed, and even liberalism is gone, born from its ashes is post-modernism/post-liberalism.
Individuality, in its glorification, has led to moral relativism; decadence; putting freaks, degenerates, clowns and whores as icons; abandoning myth and ritual; and the demonization of spirituality. And the telltale signs of all of this was there, when Europe starting embracing liberalism. I mean, Marx wasn't wrong about the failures of capitalism. There are classes, and the upperclass do exploit the lowerclass. Communism can only be followed if you look at its manifesto as a holy book, and see its faults as ideological imperfections. Liberalism has no such "holy book" just the vague idea that anyone and eveyone is the same, and we all share a future to strive for.
Liberlism has no end, everyone speaks of moving forward, and constantly chasing the future. It's ingrained in the modern world, to the point where we take it for granted. Marx was right ti criticize it when he did, but his solution was complete shit.
>>79363784
Wealth of nations faggot. Free market is the best way to create incentive and mutually benefit individuals at the same time.
>>79363784
Pol is partially satirical, and probably best not taken at face value. It's effectively just layers of irony canceling themselves out while new layers constantly form. Some layers remain. Some layers aren't even ironic.
Some layers aren't even layers
Tldr; people come here to complain and talk about shit like recent happenings, make jokes that are meant to trigger autistic SJW's, all the while blending together with other people who actually literally follow the stuff that many people are simply joking about.
A lot of it is just opinion, mixed together with children arguing with adults, while not even realizing it.
Speech here is not limited (beyond anything /b/ tier), and people will just either tell you off or ignore you if you try to make it otherwise. What you take of it is not the same as what someone else would.
>>79370317
>if I pretend that hundreds of millions of people weren't tortured and killed it didn't happen
>nanana I can't hear you
You argue like a child.
>>79370210
>Never read a word of Marx...
>>79363784
Anti-intellectualism.
>>79369962
I have read the communist manifesto.
Marx believed that each individual was DIFFERENT but that they all contributed EQUALLY to the collective, and this central point is how he rationalizes a ditch digger having the same access and power of the state as a doctor, and how he rationalizes the upper class being EQUAL to the lower class. This is observably false.
>>79370271
Basically someone wins and someone loses.
>>79370433
>never read a word of actual history outside of Jewish Marxist controlled academia....
>>79370450
How come?
>>79370271
Capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction.
This was Marx's point.
Socialism is the logical conclusion of Capitalism.
The sole purpose of politics is to channel wealth upward. All other functions are simply public relations maneuvers to distract attention from what is really happening.
The difference between liberal and conservative is simply over the morphology of the funnel, i.e. capitalists and communists can't agree on precisely what type of human makes the best slave.
The reason nobody actually implements a true "free market" system is that it is inefficient in achieving the primary goal of politics.
>>79370518
>Capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction.
I agree with this.
>Socialism is the logical conclusion of Capitalism
I kinda agree with this, I just don't advocate this result.
>>79370399
>if I pretend that hundreds of millions of people
Hundreds of million...
Think about that figure, now go and look at 20th Century international demographic records. You will be hard pressed to find the missing "hundreds of millions"...
In the 1930s the population of of the Soviet Union was around 170 million. Are you seriously suggesting the entire population of the USSR died several times over?
Idiot.
>>79370795
Why are you denying the holocaust?
>>79363784
Communism killed 100,000,000 people yet it's acceptable to be a communist.
Fuck off I know people that lived under it
>>79369814
>equality
No. But capitalism does when it comes to market relations. We are all equal in having the right to own. On the flip side, capitalism fails to appreciate anything non-quantifiable about people.
>class as social construct
No. For social constructs you need society. For society you need people. For people you need food. For food you need economy, which is a mode of production and relations of production. Class has an objective basis. It's not just some fucking whim. Anyway, if class as a social construct is false, then what IS it? I thought you people didn't believe in "class" at all and that we are all capitalists of varying size? The whole relations of production thing is helpful in clarifying this muddle.
>wasted labor
What does this mean?
>inherently inferior
I'm not sure you know what that word means, since the inferiority comes from what the society DOES and not what it IS. But at any rate I guess there should be no festivals, parties, public celebrations. No. Infinite growth for growth's sake. Machine efficiency. We just don't see eye to eye, you and I.
>>79363784
Just hop in my helicopter senpai
>>79370438
>I read the communist manifesto
Why even comment when your gonna make yourself look like a nonce
>>79370795
>what is Maoist China
>>79370518
>>79370762
How come capitalism is going to destroy itself? It hasn't already, and doesn't seem like it ever will. If anything, we are getting close to a pure capitalist system.
>>79370795
>won't include China
>only posts stats from before/early communist periods
Ok now I'm know I'm talking to a troll. Good night.
>>79370438
Er...
How you came to your conclusions on Marx's theories after reading his pamphlet, "The Manifesto", is a bit of a mystery.
>Marx believed that each individual was DIFFERENT but that they all contributed EQUALLY to the collective,
Er... no he didn't.
Marx was very clear, he stated in black and white: "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need".
People aren't "equal", according to Marx. You can't get any clearer than this.
1
Saying that socialism is the logical conclusion of communism is a standard slippery-slope argument.
It's like saying if I went on a first date with your sister, the logical conclusion is anal sex. I mean, it's certainly possible, but I'd probably put it at only about 20%.
>>79363784
Evola
>>79371014
Government doesnt work like dating jackass. Fuck your faggot analogies
>>79370968
I only think capitalism destroys itself when there is a state attached to it. It's an extension of modernist liberalism. Capitalism is great, and Objectivism is a laudable philosophy, but when the state adopts it, and power keeps funneling up, it will become cronyism.
I'm no lolbertarian, I definitely believe in nation states, I just want the government out of the market.
>>79363784
All commies are evil or stupid. If you're not evil, read link below. Pic is related, but the main arguments are in the link.
http://www.friesian.com/marx.htm
>>79370968
>How come capitalism is going to destroy itself? It hasn't already,
Capitalism is in a perpetual state of crisis.
Socialist countries keep emerging after financial collapses, then they are beaten back into submission by international capital.
>we are getting close to a pure capitalist system.
Mate, we're getting further away from the "pure", "free market" ideal. Crony Capitalism and Corporatism is taking over the globe.
>>79363784
Ayn Rand
Thomas Jefferaon
Hobbes
Milton Friedman
John Locke
Evola
Nietzche
Patrick Henry
Thomas Sowell
>>79363784
I got you
>>79371014
No, it's not "slipery slope fallacy".
Marx provides a logical account of how societies transition from one mode of production to another.
Marx's mechanism is called: "dialectical materialism".
>>79370968
we have reached disproportion levels present in economy before 30's Great Crisis. 2008 will be quickly forgotten just like WW I, because the next crisis is coming soon and it will be nothing like what we have seen before it.
>>79370514
Not everyone can win.
Not everyone is born a special snowflake, and there are millions of other insignificant people just like you who could easily do just as good, or even better than you.
Not everyone has the option, ability or talent to make money, and from that alone, you will always be able to expect to find someone unemployed, or homeless.
Welfare doesn't help, as you'd be creating a system of dependents that may or may not ever find a way to live on their own.
You know why people ask you not to feed the animals? When you feed the animals, the ones that would otherwise not have babies would then produce offspring. When that source of food disappears, the birds all die.
In the case of a population however, the economy is the one that dies, collapsing.
>>79371194
Oh my fucking god
>Want to criticize Marx
>Criticize Manifesto
>Criticize fucking Fitchian dialectics instead
Why is every /pol/ack so goddamned retarded.
>>79371474
>didn't read the fucking link
full retard
>>79371405
1st part ok
2nd part is rubbish
>>79371474
There's not much point browsing /pol/ if you want to understand anything, or convey understanding. They're a bunch of fucking retards here.
I'm going back to /lit/...
>>79371463
Who gives a fuck, why should the state be interested in what degenerates do? There's an economy to balance and if wealth redistribution is necessary then it should happen, fuck your bleeding heart social parenting.
>unironically taking the inane ramblings of a bearded hobo who never amounted to anything seriously.
Kill yourself OP
>>79371623
>I'm going back to /lit/
Lol
>>79370987
explain how
>From each according to their ability, to each according to their need
=
>People aren't "equal", according to Marx
>>79371644
Fuck off with your wealth redistribution. How bout I redistribute my knife into your gut. Who died and made you the king of my money. Fucking asswipe. Shit for brains.
Fuck you.
>>79371535
>2nd part is rubbish
Marx didn't figure the Capitalist classes would develop the State to protect themselves from the crisis they would cause.
The debts and bankruptcy they caused would be underwirtten by the State. Thus, keeping Capitalism from imploding on itself.
>>79371623
I would like /lit/ more if they didn't make fun of nationalism.
>>79363784
well, I lived in communism and in """capitalism"""
>>79371727
It's apparent reading comprehension isn't your strong point.
>>79365182
Get the nsdap translation version. Best there is.
>>79371776
Bring it on, I'll shank you first. It'll be like the good old days!
>>79371842
Nationalism and patriotism are retarded, if you think about them in any depth.
Nations are very new entities, most are only a couple of hundred years old.
Communists are like niggers who suddenly gained 15 IQ points and realized that if they just learn to write, they could write a bunch of laws and grt the policr to steal flat screens for them instead of having to risk prison time by doing it themselves.
>>79371994
>Nations are very new entities, most are only a couple of hundred years old.
So?
>>79371846
You didn't live under "communism".
You lived in a totalitarian State that called itself "Socialist". Guess what it wasn't?
>>79371784
It's just kept under lid. But the idea is neat, what the state should do is look close at modern usury mechanics and tax the everliving shit of it. No need to make it harder for productive market.
>>79371994
The idea of an in-group has been around for as long as humans, and was a successful evolutionary strategy in areas of scarcity. Nationalism obviously is not useful in abundance, but our resources are currently finite.
>>79370921
>No. But capitalism does
I'm not talking about Capitalism and I did not mention Capitalism.
>Class has an objective basis
Please cite where Marx says this.
>What does this mean? (wasted labor)
Labor which does not improve the function of society
>I'm not sure you know what that word means, since the inferiority comes from what the society DOES and not what it IS.
Reread my post, I was talking about what a society DOES. the DOING = waste of labor. A society that wastes labor is inherently inferior to one that does not.
>>79372058
>So
Aren't you curious to know why powerful elites created "nations" in the first place?
>>79371994
Don't be a faggot, you know damn well people who feel national pride in England or France are speaking of hundreds of years of history.
Nationalism, to me at least, is just wanting to hold yourself to a standard and strive to be good for your country as you feel it deserves. I want to make my forefathers proud of their contributions to my country.
>>79372143
It's the basic simple idea of splitting group in half and arbitrarily deciding which half to kill off or put under boot. Whenever survival is threatened that's bound to at least bounce up as a proposed option.
>>79372143
>The idea of an in-group has been around for as long as humans, and was a successful evolutionary strategy
It's based on warped notions of "kinship".
There's nothing "evolutionary" about it, it's a social fiction. It's an imagined community.
>all people are equal only different upbringings
False
>all that exists in identity is class
False
>freedom to the people results in their economic bondage
False
>A stateless society is possible
False
>you aren't your race or an individual you are an arbituary classification that I just pulled out of my ass.
False
What TRUTH is there to Marx's ramblings?
>>79372291
>pride
Fuck off.
You're an idiot.
>>79371842
Come to the rightwing threads
/lit/ is marx heavy but theirs a decent chunk of us that have right-/lit/ threads and readings.
>>79372079
I do not care about semantics.
But I know the culprit.
Contemporary Polish """""elites""""" were as much detached, cruel, deranged, arrogant as communist elites. One was backed by EU money the other by Soviet unit stationing nearby.
ever read "The Captive Mind" by Milosz? something similar happened after 89
>>79372394
Literally not an argument. Do you not know what pride feels like?
>>79372079
He lived in a Marxist state, the reality of Marxism and it's true nature shows itself not in it's promises and goals but in the implications of said goals and promises, ea to do B I must have to do C.
>>79372459
Why do you care what a retard who rejects or isn't part of the racial community feels or thinks?
>>79372459
Letting emotions dictate your decisions is a sure way to wake up with tranny dick up your ass.
>>79372305
It's the idea of pooling resources with another person so you both survive. How it's divided generally seems to be genetic distance. It's a successful strategy for your genes to protect those with genes that are similar.
>>79372346
>nothing evolutionary about kinship
>nothing evolutionary about tribal behavior
>he doesn't know anything about cognitive neuroscience
Pic related is the abstract
anonymousconservative.com/modern.pdf
>>79372468
Marxism or cultural Marxism, what's the difference?
>>79372538
He's educated, and would be interested in his response.
>>79372538
What
I literally have no clue as to what moral bases I'm supposed to read the Kikes writing as.
>pseudo intellectual comes to /pol/ and hears things he doesn't like
>cries and goes back to pseudo intellectual club house
>>79372246
Why's that? To keep the common man down, I presume.
>>79371856
Ok, then let me break it down for you:
>From each according to their ability, to each according to their need
I'll do the first phrase first:
>From each according to their ability
This does not mean, in any terms, that Marx believes people are UNEQUAL, for people who are equal will still give to their ability to the same degree as those who are unequal. This phrase has nothing to do with equality of people one way or another.
>to each according to their need
Again, this phrase does not say 'in black and white' or clearly, that people are unequal - for two people with equal needs would surely still get, each, what they need the same as two people with unequal needs, going by this phrase.
You see, if Marx said 'people aren't equal' in black and white, he would have said it. Instead, he said something different with a different meaning.
>>79372559
>>79372538
Sorry, the "what" was for this guy.
I reiterate: what
>>79368514
Find an original copy jews edit portions of it out.
KARL MARX IS A LONG BEARDED MAC DADDY AND IMA MAKE HIM TELL ME WHO HE IS AND WHAT HE DO.
>>79368088
Is that foucault?
>>79372655
Am I supposed to read this with the morals of a good Christian?
Of an exploitative Talmudic Jew who see's his time is ready for conquer?
>>79365528
>But what if it helps you describe reality...in other words...but what if it's right?
If its right its right. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to explain something.
The truth is you read what you like. Why do words from long dead people hold anymore meaning than the thoughts and words of your own or others. You might learn more from listing to an old guy rambling in the corner of the bar.
>>79372420
Got a good recommendation list for rightwing lit reading? Don't want to be a fag in your threads, friend.
>>79372585
They don't tell the children that they're teaching them Marxism with cultural Marxism. Then they end up spouting retarded bullshit like OP because they lack any ability to analyze their own thinking and accept Marxism as truth.
>>79372798
In the Talmudic morals Communism is perfect, it completely depowers Goyim and rivals to the people who are building communism, Marx's father was a Rabi this was intended.
>>79372568
Most notable eugenics projects were medieval feudalism and hereditary hierarchy. We have all the data we need to decide not to ever, ever mess with eugenics again.
>>79372884
If I equalize all income I still haven't achieved "communism" because Communism is just an abstract concept and not a real thing, there is no things to do to achieve it, it's a fairy tale.
>>79363784
Start with Scruton's Fools, Firebrands and Frauds, economics books by Sowell and Hazlitt, and lectures by Father Mathew Raphael Johnson on nationalism and philosophy.
We don't have screwballs trying to re-invent the wheel, we have The Western Tradition.
>>79372867
let me find the chart
>>79369448
You enjoyed reading Hobbes? Fuck dude. Read some Nietzsche.
>>79368723
>Marx was a classical economist
he was a retarded neet trying to make neetbux.
>>79373073
The fucking edge on that guy
>>79369814
Find me a meritocracy, then. I've never heard of one.
>>79370745
B-b-but it was the evil capitalists fault.
>>79373014
1. Poland, I did not mention eugenics in my post. I'm talking about successful evolutionary strategies for organisms and their genes.
2. Genetic engineering works. Would you change your genes to be smarter, healthier, and happier if it didn't negatively influence you otherwise (kinda a pipe-dream of course, too many linkages between the things we value and single genes)? Why not?
3. Selective breeding is evidence of the fruits of eugenics.
>>79373324
I don't see the difference between eugenics and putting genetics as foundation of social structure. Any genetic preference from human perspective is purely subjective, and genes are meant to be flexible - not strive to perfection.
>>79373072
Sweet, there is a chart.
>>79363784
I suggest reading from Hitler, Machiavelli, Evola, Joseph de Maistre, Marx, Nietzscheand Sowell.
Remember that Fascism/National Socialism is neither right wing, nor left wing. It transcends the entire spectrum, and would be almost paradoxical. An individualist-collectivist society is a non-sequitur in modern terms.
>>79372867
>>79373072
Requires you to have (or form) some basis in philosophy and not just react to people like Marx with zealotry.
Their is a whole bunch of newer and far more interesting (IMO) work by contemporaries like Nick Land and Alexander Dugin but this requires quite a decent and eclectic understanding of philosophy and a good meta-understanding of contemporary western philosophy.
>>79373073
yeah I plan on getting around to him. I've only a vague understanding of his philosophy, though.
>>79373512
The difference is one is applying normative judgements to "good genes", that's what eu = good genics = genes means, whereas the other is a strategy for propagating similar genes whether they are good or not. The latter does not necessarily strive for perfection.
>>79370871
That's horrible. I know a few unlucky souls who lived under early industrial capitalism in India. It was much worse.
oh shut up stop you peasants!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA
just collect the mud
>>79373298
We are talking about ideas. Do you want this to devolve into 'X has never REALLY been tried?'
My critique was based on the ideas, not the implementation. If you want to argue the implementation of ideas, I can give you several failed communist states. I was trying specifically NOT to have a
>USSR was a failed state
>but it wasn't REALLY communism
debate.
>>79370861
Ancaps are far more idealistic than Marxists.
>>79370745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSTOcyevIOE
>>79373643
Thank you, based aussie. I'll tackle this chart in a couple of weeks and check you guys out on /lit/
I'm a philopshical amateur, to be honest. I have only read essays and commentary on most philosophy. I have a backlog thay I can burn through to get to the philosophy, however.
>>79373701
I still see no reason to create systemic solutions to "propagate similar genes".
>>79373014
who is this "we" , why are you so sure everyone agrees?
>>79373014
>This is what modern Eugenics would be
Read the myth of the 20th century
>>79363784
I've actually read Marx. Capital is a good book with great critiques of capitalism. Everything else Marx's wrote is either shit or ideas taken from Hagel.
>>79363784
Dark Enlightenment, Nick Land, Moldbug(Curtis Yarvin), NRx, Hanz Herman Hoppe, Austrian School of economics.
>>79371270
>ayn rand
Nothing to see here
>>79363784
>Communism
>>79373643
Also Max Stirner, Slavoj Zizek and Guy Debord are both leftists but they are excellent from the Right aswell.
>>79373891
oh gevalt
>>79374011
>>79373989
Then don't. Make your point. It was all ever about this to begin with, wasn't it?
>>79371474
It's spelled fichtean
>>79374213
there is nothing in this world more talmudic than Communism, Goyim literally become animals with none being different than one another.
>>79373685
Nietzsche is basically about social darwinism, what is good is what survives and what is strong. The poster is likely referring to master and slave morality. If you enjoy the thought of someone ruling over you, you have accepted your weakness and are therefore bad because you aren't striving to become greater.
>>79373936
You may not see a reason for it, but your body has been wired for it subconsciously, because your body wants your genetic material to pass on. If that drive was nonexistent humanity would just die out. If you're a liberal, you will get knocked into becoming a conservative once you are presented with enough fear-inducing stimuli to seek the protection of those similar to you, aka the redpill.
>>79369985
>hurr hurr Mises mixed up synthetic a priori and analytic a prior so anything he says is wrong
>>79374327
>Update
The Goi have no property of their own, check.
The Goi have no religion of their own, check,.
The Goi have no freedom of their own labor, check.
The Goi have no freedom to anything other than what the Jew say, check.
The Goi has no freedom of thought or actions, check.
It is literally fancy slavery.
>>79371776
>my money
Kek
>>79374260
>It was all ever about this to begin with, wasn't it?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
>>79374490
>Update
I see no difference between slavery and Communism, both are chains you have no choice over.
>>79363784
I have in fact read Marx. He was either an imbecile or one of the greatest comedians to ever live. The assertion that a classless stateless society could even exist--much less that such a state is inevitable--was laughable. His analysis of history was also generally poor.
If you have any interest in reading something that was not written by a moron, read Evola. More recently, try Jared Taylor.
>>79374756
And if you ask me if I care more about class and economy than my freedom, I will tell you to fuck off kike.
>>79364496
>moar pls
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/haken32.htm
>>79363784
Bought the communist manifesto in german. Poorly written to say the best.
Really comes across as true idiocracy.
>>79374415
Thre's hardly anything to respond here, only condescending prediction for something that very well might have happened long ago, but in my case led to different conclusions.
>>79374901
Why Are We Nationalists?
We are nationalists because we see the nation as the only way to bring all the forces of the nation together to preserve and improve our existence and the conditions under which we live.
The nation is the organic union of a people to protect its life. To be national is to affirm this union in word and deed. To be national has nothing to do with a form of government or a symbol. It is an affirmation of things, not forms. Forms can change, their content remains. If form and content agree, then the nationalist affirms both. If they conflict, the nationalist fights for the content and against the form. One may not put the symbol above the content. If that happens, the battle is on the wrong field and one’s strength is lost in formalism. The real aim of nationalism, the nation, is lost.
That is how things are today in Germany. Nationalism has turned into bourgeois patriotism and its defenders are battling windmills. One says Germany and means the monarchy. Another proclaims freedom and means Black-White-Red [the colors of the German flag]. Would our situation today be any different if we replaced the republic with a monarchy and flew the black-white-red flag? The colony would have different wallpaper, but its nature, its content, would stay the same. Indeed, things would be even worse, for a facade that conceals the facts dissipates the forces today fighting against slavery.
>>79373643
>Master and Margarita
>Religious
WTF is this bullshit. Have you ever read it?!
>>79374992
>>79374901
Bourgeois patriotism is the privilege of a class. It is the real reason for its decline. When 30 million are for something and 30 million are against it, things balance out and nothing happens. That is how things are with us. We are the world’s Pariah not because we do not have the courage to resist, but rather because out entire national energy is wasted in eternal and unproductive squabbling between the right and the left. Our way only goes downward, and today one can already predict when we will fall into the abyss.
Nationalism is more wide-reaching than internationalism. It sees things as they are. Only he who respects himself can respect others. If as a German nationalist I affirm Germany, how can I hold it against a French nationalist who affirms France? Only when these affirmations conflict in vital ways will there be a power-political struggle. Internationalism cannot undo this reality. Its attempts at proof fail completely. And even when the facts seem to have some validity, nature, blood, the will to life, and the struggle for existence on this hard earth prove the falsity of fine theories.
The sin of bourgeois patriotism was to confound a certain economic form with the national. It connected two things that are entirely different. Forms of the economy, however firm they may seem, are changeable. The national is eternal. If I mix the eternal and the temporal, the eternal will necessarily collapse when the temporal collapses. This was the real cause for the collapse of liberal society. It was rooted not in the eternal, but in the temporal, and when the temporal declined it took the eternal down with it. Today it is only an excuse for a system that brings growing economic misery. That is the only reason why international Jewry organizes the battle of the proletarian forces against both powers, the economy and the nation, and defeat them.
>>79374415
thank you for that brief summary. I suppose then I knew what the basic tenets of his philosophy is.
additionally, if you are ascribing the master and slave morality to my admiration for hobbes' philosophy, I don't agree with hobbes insofar as letting the absolute monarch reign for me. I admire him for his early influences of empiricism and his thought on the State of Nature.
>>79375012
>>79374992
>>79374901
From this understanding, the young nationalism draws its absolute demand. The faith in the nation is a matter for everyone, never a group, a class or an economic clique. The eternal must be distinguished from the temporal. Maintaining a rotten economic system has nothing to do with nationalism, which is an affirmation of the Fatherland. I can love Germany and hate capitalism. Not only can I, I must. Only the annihilation of a system of exploitation carries with it the core of the rebirth of our people.
We are nationalists because as Germans, we love Germany. Because we love Germany, we want to preserve it and fight against those who would destroy it. If a Communist shouts “Down with nationalism!”, he means the hypocritical bourgeois patriotism that sees the economy only as a system of slavery. If we make clear to the man of the left that nationalism and capitalism, that is the affirmation of the Fatherland and the misuse of its resources, have nothing to do with each other, indeed that they go together like fire and water, then even as a socialist he will come to affirm the nation, which he will want to conquer.
That is our real task as National Socialists. We were the first to recognize the connections, and the first to begin the struggle. Because we are socialists we have felt the deepest blessings of the nation, and because we are nationalists we want to promote socialist justice in a new Germany.
A young fatherland will rise when the socialist front is firm.
Socialism will become reality when the Fatherland is free.
>>79375031
>>79375012
>>79374992
>>79374901
>Why Are We Socialists?
We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.
Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!
The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.
>>79375076
The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.
We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly.
>>79375103
>>79375076
It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.
Socialism is possible only in a state that is united domestically and free internationally. The bourgeoisie and Marxism are responsible for failing to reach both goals, domestic unity and international freedom. No matter how national and social these two forces present themselves, they are the sworn enemies of a socialist national state.
We must therefore break both groups politically. The lines of German socialism are sharp, and our path is clear.
We are against the political bourgeoisie, and for genuine nationalism!
We are against Marxism, but for true socialism!
We are for the first German national state of a socialist nature!
We are for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party!
>Why a Workers’ Party?
Work is not mankind’s curse, but his blessing. A man becomes a man through labor. It elevates him, makes him great and aware, raises him above all other creatures. It is in the deepest sense creative, productive, and culture-producing. Without labor, no food. Without food, no life.
The idea that the dirtier one’s hands get, the more degrading the work, is a Jewish, not a German, idea. As in every other area, the German first asks how, then what. It is less a question of the position I fill, and more a question of how well I do the duty that God has given me.
>>79375157
We call ourselves a workers’ party because we want to rescue the word work from its current definition and give it back its original meaning. Anyone who creates value is a creator, that is, a worker. We refuse to distinguish kinds of work. Our only standard is whether the work serves the whole, or at least does not harm it, or if it is harmful. Work is service. If it works against the general welfare, then it is treason against the fatherland.
Marxist nonsense claimed to free labor, yet it degraded the work of its members and saw it as a curse and disgrace. It can hardly be our goal to abolish labor, but rather to give new meaning and content. The worker in a capitalist state — and that is his deepest misfortune — is no longer a living human being, a creator, a maker.
He has become a machine. A number, a cog in the machine without sense or understanding. He is alienated from what he produces. Labor is for him only a way to survive, not a path to higher blessings, not a joy, not something in which to take pride, or satisfaction, or encouragement, or a way to build character.
We are a workers’ party because we see in the coming battle between finance and labor the beginning and the end of the structure of the twentieth century. We are on the side of labor and against finance. Money is the measuring rod of liberalism, work and accomplishment that of the socialist state. The liberal asks: What are you? The socialist asks: Who are you? Worlds lie between.
>>79374919
>condescending
I guess stating opinions is now condescending. I'm only telling you what neuroscience has shown, whether you believe the research is up to you.
>>79375177
We do not want to make everyone the same. Nor do we want levels in the population, high and low, above and below. The aristocracy of the coming state will be determined not by possessions or money, but only on the quality of one’s accomplishments. One earns merit through service. Men are distinguished by the results of their labor. That is the sure sign of the character and value of a person. The value of labor under socialism will be determined by its value to the state, to the whole community. Labor means creating value, not haggling over things. The soldier is a worker when he bears the sword to protect the national economy. The statesman also is a worker when he gives the nation a form and a will that help it to produce what it needs for life and freedom.
A furrowed brow is as much a sign of labor as a powerful fist. A white collar worker should not be ashamed to claim with pride that of which the manual laborer boasts: labor. The relations between these two groups determine their mutual fate. Neither can survive without the other, for both are members of an organism that they must together maintain if they are to defend and expand their right to exist.
>>79375191
We call ourselves a workers’ party because we want to free labor from the chains of capitalism and Marxism. In battling for Germany’s future, we freely admit to it, and accept the odium from the liberal bourgeoisie that results. We know that we will succeed in bringing new blessings out of their curses.
God gave the nations territory to grow grain. The seed becomes grain and the grain becomes bread. The middleman of it all is labor.
He who despises labor but accepts its benefits is a hypocrite.
That is the deepest meaning of our movement: it gives things back their original significance, unconcerned that today they may be in danger of sinking into the swamp of a collapsing worldview.
He who creates value works, and is a worker. A movement that wants to free labor is a workers’ party.
Therefore we National Socialists call ourselves a worker’s party.
When our victorious flags fly before us, we sing:
“We are the army of the swastika,
Raise high the red flags!
We want to clear the way to freedom
For German Labor!”
>>79375225
>Why Do We Oppose the Jews?
We oppose the Jews because we are defending the freedom of the German people. The Jew is the cause and beneficiary of our slavery He has misused the social misery of the broad masses to deepen the dreadful split between the right and left of our people, to divide Germany into two halves thereby concealing the true reason for the loss of the Great War and falsifying the nature of the revolution.
The Jew has no interest in solving the German question. He cannot have such an interest. He depends on it remaining unsolved. If the German people formed a united community and won back its freedom, there would be no place any longer for the Jew. His hand is strongest when a people lives in domestic and international slavery, not when it is free, industrious, self-aware and determined. The Jew caused our problems, and lives from them.
That is why we oppose the Jew as nationalists and as socialists. He has ruined our race, corrupted our morals, hollowed out our customs and broken our strength. We owe it to him that we today are the Pariah of the world. He was the leper among as long as we were German. When we forgot our German nature, he triumphed over us and our future.
>>79375288
The Jew is the plastic demon of decomposition. Where he finds filth and decay, he surfaces and begins his butcher’s work among the nations. He hides behind a mask and presents himself as a friend to his victims, and before they know it he has broken their neck.
The Jew is uncreative. He produces nothing, he only haggles with products. With rags, clothing, pictures, jewels, grain, stocks, cures, peoples and states. He has somehow stolen everything he deals in. When he attacks a state he is a revolutionary. As soon as he holds power, he preaches peace and order so that he can devour his conquests in comfort.
What does anti-Semitism have to do with socialism? I would put the question this way: What does the Jew have to do with socialism? Socialism has to do with labor. When did one ever see him working instead of plundering, stealing and living from the sweat of others? As socialists we are opponents of the Jews because we see in the Hebrews the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods.
>>79375317
What does anti-Semitism have to do with nationalism? I would put the question this way: What does the Jew have to do with nationalism? Nationalism has to do with blood and race. The Jew is the enemy and destroyer of the purity of blood, the conscious destroyer of our race. As nationalists we oppose the Jews because we see the Hebrews as the eternal enemy of our national honor and of our national freedom.
But the Jew, after all, is also a human being. Certainly, none of us doubts that. We only doubt that he is a decent human being. He does not get along with us. He lives by other laws than we do. The fact that he is a human being is not sufficient reason for us to allow him to subject us in inhumane ways. He may be a human being — but what kind of a human being is he! If someone slaps your mother in the face, do you say: “Thank you! He is after all a human being!” That is not a human being, it is a monster. Yet how much worse has the Jew done to our mother Germany, and is still doing today!
There are also white Jews. True, there are scoundrels among us, even though they are Germans, who act in immoral ways against their own racial and blood comrades. But why do we call them white Jews? You use the term to describe something inferior and contemptible. Just as we do. Why do you ask us why we oppose the Jews when you without knowing it are one too?
>>79374415
Nietzsche did distinguish between the unermensch and the blonde beast, though. He didn't necessarily think that domination was a good thing. He thought that the masters in the master slave dialectic were missing the most essential part of being fully human: introspection. Rather than pursuing blind domination for its own sake, Nietzsche was saying that we should forget about the petty whims of others and express our will to power in whatever way best suits our lives. He believed that if we could align our will toward a worthwhile goal, we could become self-overcoming geniuses. He also knew that most people were too god damned retarded to actually do any of this and that most people who read him would just end up being ludicrous smug cunts.
>>79375188
Predicting human response through logical science and behaviourism may be considered condescending, since the only major difference between us and animals is true unpredictability.
>CTRL+F "GRECE"
>0 results
>CTRL+F "Kazinsky"
>0 results
>CTRL+F "de Benoist"
>0 results
What the fuck?
At least Evola got a few mentions.
>>79375367
Anti-Semitism is not Christian. That means that it is Christian to allow the Jews to go on as they are, stripping the skin from our bodies and mocking us. To be a Christian means to love one’s neighbor as oneself! My neighbor is my racial and blood brother. If I love him, I have to hate his enemies. He who thinks German must despise the Jews. The one requires the other.
Christ himself saw that love did not always work. When he found the moneychangers in the temple, he did not say: “Children, love one another!” He took up a whip and drove them out.
We oppose the Jews because we affirm the German people. The Jew is our greatest misfortune.
It is not true that we eat Jews for breakfast.
It is true that slowly but surely, he is stealing all that we have.
Things would be different if we behaved as Germans.
>>79375402
Revolutionary Demands
We do not enter parliament to use parliamentary methods. We know that the fate of peoples is determined by personalities, never by parliamentary majorities. The essence of parliamentary democracy is the majority, which destroys personal responsibility and glorifies the masses. A few dozen rogues and crooks run things behind the scenes. Aristocracy depends on accomplishment, the rule of the most able, and the subordination of the less capable to the will of the leadership. Any form of government — no matter how democratic or aristocratic it may outwardly appear — rests on compulsion. The difference is only whether the compulsion is a blessing or a curse for the community.
What we demand is new, decisive, and radical, revolutionary in the truest sense of the word. That has nothing to do with rioting and barricades. It may be that that happens here or there. But it is not an inherent part of the process. Revolutions are spiritual acts. They appear first in people, then in politics and the economy. New people form new structures. The transformation we want is first of all spiritual; that will necessarily change the way things are.
>>79375433
This revolutionary act is beginning to be visible in us. The result is a new type of person visible to the knowing eye: the National Socialist. Consistent with his spiritual attitude, the National Socialist makes uncompromising demands in politics. There is no if and when for him, only an either — or.
He demands:
The return of German honor. Without honor, one has no right to life. A nation that has pawned its honor has pawned its bread. Honor is the foundation of any people’s community. Losing our honor is the true cause of the loss of our freedom.
In place of a slave colony, we want a restored German national state. The state is not an end in itself for us, but rather a means to an end. The true end is the race, the sum of all the living, creative forces of the people. The structure that today calls itself the German republic is not a way to maintain our racial inheritance. It has become an end in itself with no real connection to the people and their needs. We want to abolish the slave colony and replace it with a people’s state in freedom.
Want work and bread for every productive national and blood comrade. Pay should be according to accomplishment. That means more pay for German workers! That will stop the senseless fighting in which we engage today.
>>79375455
First provide housing and food for the people, then pay reparations! No democrat, no republican, has the right to complain about this demand, for it was first raised by a banner carrier of November Germany [the Weimar Republic, beginning in November 1918]. We only want to make the slogan a reality.
Provide essentials first! First we must meet the critical needs of the people, then we can produce luxury goods. Provide work for those willing to work! Give the farmers land! The German foreign policy that today sells what we have at below-market rates must be completely transformed and must focus radically on the German need for space, drawing the necessary power-political conclusions.
Peace among productive workers! Each should do his duty for the good of the whole community. The state then has the responsibility of protecting the individual, guaranteeing him the fruits of his labor. The people’s community must not be a mere phrase, but a revolutionary achievement following from the radical carrying out of the basic life needs of the working class.
A ruthless battle against corruption! A war against exploitation, freedom for the workers! The elimination of all economic-capitalist influences on national policy.
>>79375467
A solution to the Jewish question! We call for the systematic elimination of foreign racial elements from public life in every area. There must be a sanitary separation between Germans and non-Germans on racial grounds exclusively, not on nationality or even religious belief.
Down with democratic parliamentarianism! Establish a parliament based on occupations which determines production. Policies will be determined by a political body that earns is place by the laws of strength and selection.
The return of loyalty and faith in economic life. The complete reversal of the injustice that has robbed millions of Germans of their possessions.
The right of personality before that of the mob. Germans always will have preference before foreigners and Jews.
>>79375488
A battle against the destructive poison of international Jewish culture! A strengthening of German forces and German customs. The elimination of corrupt Semitic principles and racial decay.
The death penalty for crimes against the people! The gallows for profiteers and usurers!
An uncompromising program implemented by men who will implement it passionately. No slogans, only living energy.
>That is what we demand!
>>79375394
Oh, and that Finnish fucker who shills for fascism might be up OP's alley since it reads like commie literature
>>79363784
History itself.
Fuck communism, fuck socialism, fuck Marxism.
>>79375369
thanks for the elaboration >>79375028
>>79375377
People's eyes dilate when shown light, people's amygdala fire when shown frightening stimuli. These are predictable responses with predictable effects. Is it so surprising that we can predict general belief state changes? Your political beliefs are your applied philosophy, and the philosophy you choose is based on emotional states. Influencing emotions influences philosophy and in turn your beliefs. I understand you might want to save some "free will," but note that free will is variable.
>all this anti-intellectualism and shitposting
Fucking neo/pol/
>>79363784
Read de Benoist and the circle around him. They have basically provided the ideological armour for the fascism of the third millennium. :DDDDD
Evola, Spengler, Nietzche, Tocqueville, Bowden, etc, etc.
How you haven't been exposed to right wing intellectuals is kind of peculiar.
>>79376022
It is not about "free will", I accept neither free will nor determinism. I reached a conclusion that no amount of causality disproves the existence of random element. Causality ammounts to nothing but making shit up as long as it doesn't work 100%.
And no, I don't believe in God.
>>79375523
just right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP5aaSyAkHc
>>79376385
Compatibilism?
>it doesn't work 100% of the time, so let's just throw out science, it can't reach anything true because a random element is always there
Statistics bro. If a stimuli is correlated with a belief change in 90% of the people it's applied to it's still significant. You gain evidence for causality from control groups.
Also God loves you anyway. :^)
>>79363784
>>79363784
The socialist phenomena - igor shafarevich
Last exit to utopia - jean francois revel
Socialism - ludwig von mises
>>79376856
I am aware of the statistics and margin of error. I am still unable to put a margin of error on human brain's thought process by means available to me currently.
>>79377224
Of course, people are too different from each other to measure an "error rate". If ethics allowed it we could raise people with nearly identical belief states and then causality might be found, but that won't happen. It's interesting stuff though, maybe some people's beliefs are fully fixed at a certain point, the brain may not be plastic enough to change.
Nietzsche - the will to power and thus spoke zarathustra, additionally on the genealogy of morals
All of Evola's work
Mien Kampf and Zweites Buch
Mussolini's doctrine of fascism
Mosely's books
Starship Troopers
Schopenhauer
Marcus Aurelius's writings
Sun Tzu
Lao Tzu
There's more but I'm lazy tonight
>>79377652
Also, kek
>>79377639
>If ethics allowed it we could raise people with nearly identical belief states and then causality might be found,
I am of opinion that even through such experiment no causality might have been found.
>>79363784
Unlike the Marxist tradition of left-wing thought, the right-wing never was and never will be ideologically unified. That's because fascism is at its roots an anti-intellectual cult of action.
I'll just leave this here.
>>79377756
Of course, you believe a random element will cause the two to diverge.
>>79377927
Yes, indeed.
![1Bawerk[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/TKthRqW.png "1Bawerk[1].png")
>ctrl - F
>no Böhm von Bawerk
Holy shit he COMPLETELY destroyed marx on every single level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx_and_the_Close_of_His_System
>>79377652
Not sure if I just got some really convincing propaganda or what, but from what Ive looked into Mussolini he was supposedly a massive fuckup.. and his version of fascism brought everyone in Italy together, including the jews, they were allowed party membership just as anyone else.
That is very different from National Socialism.
He was also supposedly deposed, and put in prison.. Hitler had to rescue him, and reinstated him.. so really at that point hes just Hitlers puppet, but not really, because he tried to invade Greece without telling Hitler, and failed, forcing Hitler to invade it himself... which he did not want to do, having had a lot of respect for Greece and its culture.
What is the truth? It is fucking nothing. A spook, meme, a social construct.
What your owner says it is the truth. This is called freedom.
>>79376785
>>79377927
I must specify that while I do consider random element as the cause of divergence, the point of said divergence is in itself removed from causality.
>>79363784
>/ it's not like you've ever read or care to read Marx
i have, fuck your self.
>>79377821
Agreed and proud.
Only human machiavellian interference and mischief could fuck up the natural order this bad.
also
what I don't like=Jew
now eradicate what I don't like
#notalljews #notallrussians #notallmuslim
pillars of your eyes
>>79369280
>largest cause of preventable human suffering to ever exist.
>capitalism, imperialism and all forms of nationalism cause accidental suffering
Oops! Sorry~!
>>79370669
This.
Heil Hitler.
Mosley - the Alternative
Alain de Benoist - Beyond Human Rights
Stuff by Buchanan and Carlyle.
>>79369669
You're based, camarada. Greetings to you from here in the south. We're freezing and shit! I also like your style. Have a hero not deserved but had briefly by my own land.
>>79369669
It took Germany 6 years to emerge from the Great Depression as the strongest economy in Europe.
All that really needed to happen was National Socialism and Jew removal.
Fuck off, idiot southern trash.
>>79379284
You too. Fuck off Texas you're scum.
Go elect another Bush, you inbred kikesucker.
>>79363784
https://mega.nz/#F!B4dB2SzQ!h_pMC30v2a_y31iD0dy0sg
Just fucking read you faggot. Lean to critique your own ideology as well.
>>79380309
You only have one economics book on there.
Fucking pathetic.
>>79370318
How do you consider that /pol/ genuinely talks about virtues, morals, christianity, heroism (blah blah, fighting for country, blah blah blah) while advocating for the various aspects that capitalism and nationalism as well as libertarianism allow to happen in the form of cruelty and evil?
>>79372346
>>79372246
Based anglo brother.
I thought about reading Marx but as I understand it he's the original self-superior NEET and I could just get that from /r9k/.
Confirm/deny?
>>79372246
>it's le evil capitalists goy, people aren't naturally disposed to favor and enjoy the company of people like them
>>79380893
Arguing over economics is retarded
>>79383529
t. Economic Illiterate
