How is democracy a good idea when people are allowed to vote for objectively bad ideas?
>>79350401
>Objectively
You need to live more.
>>79350401
Is this Ana Akana?
>>79350401
As long as we can keep our ranch rifles!
>>79350774
I think we'd all benefit much more if you lived a bit less.
KYS you relativistic faggot.
>all is relative except for this principle of relativism
pls die
>>79350935
Wrong. Ultrarationalism leads to logical paradoxes. At some point you need to take a irrational decision in order to continue to live.
See Godel's incompleteness theorem and Turing's Halting problem.
>>79350401
Because the leaders get to act with some dictatorship, the people can't be assed to vote on every single fucking issue, so steps can be made by those in charge. Too bad people choose the leader lol.
>>79350401
>I bet Chad will think this is super cute :3
>Bill of Needs
>>79350401
then I guess it's a good thing assault rifles are illegal for civilian ownership?
Why are second generation asian women so insanely liberal? Rebelling against their conservative homeland/parents I assume?
No one needs whiny westernized asian women either.
>>79350401
What is an assault rifle??? Never heard of it.
>>79350401
No one needs problematic feminist glasses, yet there they are on her miserable face
>>79350401
How is government a good idea when politicians are allowed enact objectively bad policies?
>>79350401
You take the good with the bad.
Communism, for example, could not be developed under any system of government except democracy
>>79350401
>>79350401
Why are almost all Asians so attractive???
>>79352015
Because they're different enough from you that you can't pick out the subtle imperfections.
>>79350401
> 1 Post by this ID
Saged, this is a thread to try to slide other threads, do not respond.
>>79352093
>>79350401
>How is democracy a good idea when people are allowed to vote for objectively bad ideas?
Well, you set up an alternative.
What you do is gather the most intelligent and freedom-loving people you can find. Then you hold a "convention" in which all the parties sit down and work out a way of circumventing mob rule. Here is where the genius comes into play:
1. Set up a government run by representatives instead of a direct democracy. People will be able to vote for their representatives, but will not have a direct say in their governance outside of state level referendums.
2. The government will be based on a foundational document called a "constitution" which will be the supreme law of the law, which can only be changed if one manages to successfully get a bill through what amounts to an IMPOSSIBLE process.
3. This "constitution" will have certain clauses that lay out certain fundamental rights for the states, people, and federal government which are to be inviolable. Combined with the near impossibility of getting an amendment to the founding document through, these rights are basically set in stone.
4. The government itself, on the federal level, will be split into three distinct sections. This will be called "separation of powers." Each branch of the government will have its own duties, own responsibilities, and its own powers. Each of these powers will be apportioned in such a way that each branch will keep the other two branches in check so that no one has too much power.
5. Each of the states will be guaranteed a modicum of sovereignty over what happens within their own borders, all of which will be enacted through state level representative governments, which will prevent mob rule at the state level.
This is how you reign in fucking democracy. It isn't pretty. It isn't perfect. If fails more often than not, and is usually a BOWL OF SHIT. However, it has been the BEST system ever designed by mankind.
>>79351399
this is the most autistic thing I've seen spurged on /pol/ today.
>>79351627
this desu.
>>79350401
>1 Post by this ID
why does anyone bother responding to hit-and-run threads?
>>79351744
Most people leave china because they hate the authoritarian government. They raise them to love democracy and liberal ideas.
>>79350401
8/10 wood bang. And that's what democracy is based on. There's the wrong and idiotic choice for morons, and the right and smart choice for the educated.
No one actually wants two smart people running in elections.
>>79352539
I want to see someone write a new constitution. I think this is the best system we have right now, but I feel like it could be better. Right now people don't know their local government. Federal government seems to still be prone to corruption. Supreme court has a huge amount of power and barley has any checks on them, although they don't make any laws which is their "check." There is way more federal intervention on modern life then was indented when the constitution was originally made so obviously it has failed in some respects.
>>79352539
>However, it has been the BEST system ever designed by mankind.
And yet it's really easy to fix many of it's flaws.
>minimum voter IQ tests
>death penalty for political corruption
>leaders must have a diversity of qualifications not just lawyer/lawyer/romney-esque "business" man
>>79353277
>There is way more federal intervention on modern life then was indented when the constitution was originally made so obviously it has failed in some respects.
The federal government could not have micromanaged the nation to the extent it does in their times. They had no way of knowing that we'd be able to communicate from one coast to the other in real time, much less travel between them in a few hours.
>>79350401
bill of RIGHTS not bill of NEEDS
>It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried.
>>79352559
And its objectively true ;^)
![vietnam-in-hd-e1325465549481[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cpsXEC6.jpg "vietnam-in-hd-e1325465549481[1].jpg")
>>79350401
Yes we do you fucking gook
>>79350401
I want to hate fuck.
>>79350401
Nobody needs bossy gooks in their country either, and yet there you are, slope.
>>79351399
>Ultranationalism is illogical
>You need to make illogical decisions to counter this.
>>79350401
Democracy gives you the government you deserve, not the one you want. Democracy is benign, it can be good and bad at the same time. If people vote for bad ideas, they get them. This isn't neccessarily bad, as people learn and vote differently. The problem is when the people/politicians believe a program or policy works even when its provable it doesn't.
>Minimum wage
>Gun Control
>Welfare
>Subsidizing/controlling a market
>War on drugs/Prohibition
>Wealth Redistribution
>Socialized Medicine
All these ideas are failures. They fail but people either don't recognize how they fail, that they fail or doesn't even understand what the alternative to each of these is. They sound good on paper and give short term gains that lead to long term problems. The short term is just long enough for a politician to serve a term, so if he's smart he makes the problem the program created seem unrelated so he can 'solve' that, and then the further government meddling just makes things worse.
Because people will put bad laws in effect and do stupid things no matter what, at least with democracy you can try and learn.
>>79356182
NO! Ultrarationalism reaches paradoxes, as in undecidable problems. That means if you use logic you will get stuck on what is the answer. You reach a "computational impasse". To break that impasse you have to make an irrational decision, otherwise logic will take you in circles.
This is computer science 101.
>>79350401
Democracy works fine if you just kill or at least restrict the vote away from, all the stupid people.
The day that we kill off a lot of the stupid people and then start eugenics will be the day we break the cycle of history.
>>79350774
Really? We should allow people to vote their opinions toward policies built on proven facts? Should people be allowed to vote "Yes" on a bill that proposes pollution of drinking water as a means for improving public health?
>be Socrates
>teach fellow people about the idea, an ambition he called "democracy"
>gain followers
>they are interested and philosophical
>one of them wrote "Allegory of the Cave"
>be Socrates still
>"democracy" catches on
>get killed using democracy
Was it ever really a good thing to begin with?
>>79350401
It's the will of the majority. setbacks are inevitable senpai
>>79356535
Care to give an example?
>>79356644
You... You are aware that Socrates did not invent democracy, right?
>>79350401
>>79356637
Yes. That's democracy. But that's why very few democracies exist. It's a stupid idea that never works, because news flash. People are fucking stupid.
>>79356368
>none of these work!
>a fucking leaf
>where all those things work
>all the best countries in the world are socialist
>>79350401
would assault cock in her mouth if you know what i mean
>>79350401
No one, eh?
*unzips dick*
Too bad its not your choice.
>>79356779
N-no... And now I know! And knowing is half the shame
>>79350401
Extending the franchise to women and foreign elements (regardless of their citizenship status) will be the undoing of every country in the West.
>>79350401
>>79350840
Fuck that feminist shit. Ray did good to leave this bitch. Never put your dick in crazy
>>79350401
Because it's the only system where we can stop batshit crazy people from staying in office to long. The people choose who is crazier, and they are too smart for the globalists to keep pulling their bs.
>>79356368
>Democracy gives you the government you deserve, not the one you want.
This
If your people vote in a shitty choice, then that's what the country asked for.
If it's good or not is mostly subjective.
>>79353277
A brand new constitution written right now would mean the end of the USA with complete surety t bh pham
>>79356945
/thread
>>79350401
OP you are a faggot who can't fathom putting themselves in someone else's shoes.
>>79351627
This warms my cold heart.
More awoos plz.
it isn't
this is why Fascism is superior to liberal democracy
>>79356753
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WHN-pAFCs
This video is probably the simplest thing I can share that explains the halting problem.
Analogues to the halting problem:
Godel's incompleteness theorem
Cantor's Diagonalization argument
Derrida's Deconstruction
Relativism IS NOT the conclusion I am implying, but rather that the objective truth cannot be rationally determined. You ultimately have to test what you think is the objective truth against reality to find out what this are. Some one saying "democracy leads to objectively bad ideas" needs to define and demonstrate what is meant by "bad".
Democracy is intended to be tempered by the fact that we are a constitutional republic. Politicians don't like this and neither do the idiots of society so they've convinced them.
>>79350401
one of the many female youtubers i want to fuck.
>>79350401
>what image best captures this statement I have against guns?
>oh, I know
>MY FUCKING FACE
why are women such attention whores?
>>79350401
SHALL
this butchcunt hates men
pretty sure she fucks girls
>>79352235
nice meme
>>79351801
It can kill 9000 toddlers a minute and has the scary black bit that goes up.
>>79350401
>women using controversy as an opportunity to take another narcissistic selfie
So what else is new?
Just to offer a rebuttal, though:
>nobody needs an assault rifle
Apparently, we can't own, or use things, for the simply desire of it. This is ironic, because she's using her smartphone, and the internet to make this point, both of which are things she can live without.
>>79359752
Rare?
>>79350401
What is objectively bad? These are all projections dummy. Even if it is bad you gotta ask yourself 1. Is he going to implement it? 2. Wound Congress and scotus allow it?
>>79350401
>no one needs to voice their opinions
>>79352559
>why does anyone bother responding to hit-and-run threads?
You tell us, o enlightened retard.
same principle with political opinions, I guess
>>79359752
maybe she does, but I'd still swear to never pick up a firearm for the rest of my life if I could stick my tongue in her asshole after she's been for a run.
>>79357138
>Implying any of these are actually good in Canada
Minimum wage raises inflation, negating the original raise while making the poor poorer and the unskilled even less employable. That's why we have a growing welfare state, to cover the growing mass of unemployable people.
Gun Control doesn't reduce actual crime, just temporarily reduces gun crime but later increases stabbings and home invasions. Doesn't make you safer, makes you more vulnerable.
Welfare turns people into useless masses whose only purpose is a voting block reliant on the government. The more people go on welfare the higher taxes become, making more and more strain on the market.
Subsidizing/controlling a market is whats happened in Ontario for electricity, Whats happened with subsidizing or controlling these services is the price increases and the quality decreases.
War on drugs/ prohibition failed up here too m8. We just don't throw in as many potheads in jail as the states does.
Wealth redistribution fails because taking money from the wealthy and giving it to the poor just makes rich people leave, makes working people stagnant and makes poor people lazy. The only reason this hasn't failed completely in Canada is because we don't tax the top richest people to keep them from leaving, all the while overtaxing our small businesses.
Socialized medicine fails because the people who crowd up our hospitals and emergency services don't pay much taxes or are a drain on the economy. These same people in a private system would just get refused because they are uninsured and die, as they should due to their bad life choices. But instead I have to wait ten hours to see a doctor just so I can wait ten months to see a specialist.
Canada really ain't all it's cracked up to be.
>>79350401
everyone makes mistakes, but the mistakes are by nature unrelated to the best course of action, so in aggregate the collective wisdom is better than the best guess.
Unless the system goes bimodal on you, then you have to throw it all out.
>>79350401
Because in someone else's eyes your ideas are "objectively bad"
>>79360515
>Canada really ain't all it's cracked up to be.
Can confirm.
>>79350401
It isn't
Nsawp now!
I would assault her desu
>>79350401
>>79359412
who is she? pls respond.
America dosent have a gun problem, they have a retard problem
